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TheNoble007:
@Maestro21, I barely quote people. I don't need to watch the video you uploaded. If it's about TB Joshua, by the Spirit of God, I had given a prophecy about the Sorcerer, his state and a cut off by God since last year. They are here in NL.

Smiles, there are many New breed already empowered with the powers of the age to come who are waiting for the right time and are not concerned about popularity at all. NL, is the least place where one will want to show spiritual prowess. Don't be deceived.

If you are an ardent follower of the program of Apostle Suleiman, that's good. However, I urge you to pursue godly character as well as you have failed in this regard by the many vile words you used above in response. It's well. This is my last response to you.

Shalom!

LOL. Nobody used any vile words, if you can find them, please point them out. Don't watch the video - that is what I expected. I wanted to show you another prophecy that someone else gave so we can ask between you and him - which one of you was hearing from the holy spirit.

Don't worry, one of the fathers of the faith in Nigeria will soon go home, when he does, there will also be people who will say they prophesied X .Y. Z. That is the beauty of false prophecies.

I don't need your many responses, I just wanted you to know that your perception of the man you called a sorcerer is gravely erroneous and of course, if we shake you, will be based on tales by moonlight. That is why wisdom should let you know never to discuss any man. Discuss scriptures or teachings.

Cheers

CharlyG1:
@Maestro.. Now I feel really sorry for you.
Your case is really strong.
I do not care about the many programs of your pastor. I believe in sound doctrine and not false doctrines.

He is not my pastor, but you posted false information and I corrected you. Swallow your pride and accept it.

When angels are sent to men they act on behalf of God, under His authority. In that way, man falls under that authority, even through that angel that God sends. Hence man cannot command angels nor does man have any authority over angels. I have told you to search for the places where angels exercised some authority over man. You still wouldn't listen.

You are talking absolute rubbish my friend. Do you even know what authority is to begin with? If Buhari sends a constable to arrest the IG of police, does it mean the constable has authority over the IG or is the authority not from Buhari, the president? Don't bring this style of strawman to discuss scriptures. You will make yourself look unscholarly.

Let me be the one to deliver you from your ignorance. After reading Hebrews 2, come back to Hebrews 1 and read from verse 4 downward.

Jesus Christ was made lower than the angels, because He had come as man.. who is lower than the angels, not only in mortality but also in power. You better read the whole of Psalms 8. (Man is a ruler being who has been given power and authority over the earth).

I already told you that you come off as unlearned. Authority and power are not the same. Angels have power, they do not have authority. If a traffic warden stretches his hand a huge moving truck will stop because he has authority even though the moving truck has more "power" than him.

Angels are powerful beings and they rule over the forces of Satan. And serve God in His bidding in the heavens and on earth.

You see "powerful"? It is different from "authority". Take a journal and jot down.

Jesus Christ became elevated through His death and resurrection and received a more excellent name THAN THE ANGELS.. Hebrews 1 vs 4... that at the mention of this name, every knee must bow to Him.

The Name of Jesus Christ is Power and Authority OVER ALL. It is the Name we now have that has elevated us through Christ to the right hand of God. And now we are seated and placed higher than the angels. That is why we have power over serpents, and scorpions and over all the forces of darkness.

My friend, study a little you hear? Don't preach to the choir. You see the verses you are quoting like Luke 10:19 that word "power" over serpents is exousia in greek. It is the word for authority. Jesus gave us "authority" over angels, demons and everything else. He did not give us power over angels, he gave us AUTHORITY. Study before posting.

This new found authority is because of what Christ has done

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I agree with the right use of the word.

If you still don't know the places in the Bible where angels made a man dumb, struck some sodomites with blindness and showed some authority over man, please take out time tonight and find those places before you go to bed.

Nepios. Angels did those things because of power not authority. The authority was God's.

[s]I am not cut out for popularity. I only speak against lies and I do not follow any man like you do.
There are many many true prophets of God who remain unpopular. Elijah thought he was the only one left. Lol. I don't care about money, power or fame. I care only about Jesus and His Church[/s].

Please read your Bible well before you type rubbish again. Goodnight

I study my bible that is how I could show you that Angels have power and not authority. Now that you have learned something today, don't be prideful. Apologize and repent.

At least, you won't talk rubbish again about Wonders Without Numbers.

sholay2011:
I wanted to keep quiet about the ongoing issue here but let me chip in my 2 cents.

I don't think anyone here said Apostle Suleman is a false prophet. And if they did, well, to each his own; God hasn't told me anything like that personally. Nonetheless, you don't have to be a false prophet for one of your teachings to be false. This is why every believer needs to be a Berean Christian and search the scriptures with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. You just don't swallow everything you are fed hook, line and seaweed because someone is anointed, even if they are followed with signs and wonders. The scriptures confirms our experiences, not vice versa.

With the recent explanations on what was meant by "Miracle Money", I don't know what to say. But know this, God will not just make naira notes appear in your pocket. These notes are numbered by the Central Bank of Nigeria. Our God is a Miracle Worker, not a Magician. And I watched the video online and carefully read comments of where people cited where Jesus asked Peter to go pick a coin from the mouth of a fish. The real question one should ask is why didn't Jesus ask Peter to just dip his hand in his pocket because a coin would appear? I can infer that Jesus knows everything and probably someone dropped a coin in that river, hence, in the mouth of the fish, hence again, Jesus asking Peter to go get that coin from the mouth of the fish. If your first instinct as a child of God when an unknown person deposits a sum of money into your account is to call it "Miracle money" and spend it, instead of reporting to the bank or inquiring where it came from, you need to clearly check yourself.

It is also not scripturally defensible to throw insults at those that question an anointed man of God. No one is God and we are all brothers and sisters in this body. If you want to come to the man's defence, do it with words seasoned in love. Your words will determine your eligibility into heaven, not the anointed servant of God you're trying to defend as it were. Our loyalty should be to God and His word.

We should not be naïve.

I love you but your mind is small. God is bigger than this ...please. Notice how you mentioned CBN, who told you the testimonies are only from Nigeria? Why do you people think God is someone who conforms to your preconceptions about him? That is reductive to say the least.

Let me ask you questions, how many fires have burnt banks and buildings before? How many plane crashes, ship capsizing and accidents do you think hard currencies were either burnt or lost? Are you saying God does not know the numbers on those currencies to recreate and give to his children like you were suggesting may have happened when Peter found money in a fishes' mouth?

You say if someone gets money that they do not know about they should call their banks - you mean, if you see $5000 paid into your account by sholay2011, you will call your bank to ask how you deposited money into your own account without knowing? Do you know how many people have called their banks to report a strange figure in their accounts and upon investigation, the banks themselves could not explain it because they were not having any account imbalances?

You people should wake up to the reality of this God you say you believe and read the fine prints. Apostle Suleman was called a false prophet on this page. If you did not see it, maybe it is because you somehow agree with the subsisting erroneous opinion. Besides, nobody called anyone names for challenging any doctrine -if any doctrine was being discussed. I am not a member of OFM but I have watched Wonders Without Numbers a number of times so I know what the programme is about and it is not about money be it miracle or otherwise.

Stay blessed.

TheNoble007:
Young man. If you could read my writings with unbiased eyes, you will not have pity, but will rather channel your intercession to Apostle Suleiman. Everyone needs prayers at this time. The great Apostle Paul needed it so much in his life time.

Do not be blind. Anyone can fall into doctrinal error. In fact, the higher the anointing on a man's life, the greater the tendency. I know your Pastor well, I have given him personal prophecy which was fulfilled and I made a statement here separating him from the many lots of wolves in sheep clothing of today.

Focus on money, shouldn't be the preaching of today. If Christianity is all about money, then there is no point in being a Christian. One can be rich without Jesus. Look at the richest men we have in the world today. Are the Christians? I guess you know the answer. Obtaining true wealth, has it's natural laws and anyone can be rich who follows these laws. But the focus on money in the church today, is the gospel of Mammon, and not the gospel of Christ Jesus.

Shalom!

LOL. You people think you are a standard sha. Nothing spoil. I was not referring to Apostle Suleman. Let me hear what you have to say about this Apostle. Maybe you will know why I pitied you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUm4Q6HcHZ8

enthronedbyGod1:
I'm very much doing this against my will as a bond slave of Christ. I've been restless for 3 days cos of this. I finally made up my mind to let it out and said I was going to do so on my own thread, but I was forced to do so here. I'm doing this out of love of those who are erring and not really bothered about man's opinion on this issue.

There has been so much talks about Johnson Suleiman being a false prophet cos of the so many scandals he's faced with. I've never been a member of his church and would never be one, so I'm not in anyway trying to garnish his image. I don't also agree with everything he preaches about.

I'd always stand with anyone God leads me to stand with and would always speak against anyone I'm led to speak against, regardless of whose ox is gored or the backlash I'd get.

Hosea 12 : 13 And by a prophet the LORD brought Israel out of Egypt.
After the death of Idahosa , the witchcraft kingdom in Edo State started raising it's ugly head. God raised Johnson Suleiman a spiritual son to Idahosa and Adeboye and sent him to Auchi ( a stronghold of witchcraft and Islam in Edo) with a strong prophetic anointing to turn His people from darkness to light . He's been faithfully carrying out his assignment, according to the level of grace bestowed upon him , and this angered the witchcraft kingdom who vowed to bring down Suleiman and his ministry. As long as Suleiman lives and his headquarters is based in Auchi , Edo State he'll be associated with scandals and false accusations.
The campaign of calumny against Johnson Suleiman is being orchestrated by a combined effort of the witchcraft kingdom and politicians who are bent on bringing him down.

Johnson Suleiman might have his issues but being a false prophet isn't one of them, the reason is simply that we might glory in God and not in men, cos God places his treasure in earthen vessels.
If he's also erred in anyway God is able to restore him through prayers.
If you've been speaking against him , be careful cos he's still one of God's beloveds ( 1st kings 20: 11 - And the king of Israel answered and said, Tell him, Let not him that girdeth on his harness boast himself as he that putteth it off )

I've done what I was led to do, you can choose to accept and seek God's face if my words are spirit filled or you can choose to continue being manipulated by the media.
We'd give account for every word we've spoken to God who's no respecter of person.

I'd comment no further on this thread for I'm not done with mine.
God bless everyone and keep us all till the end that we might not fall and that we might be found worthy when we'd see Him face to face.

The reason people talk rubbish is because they believe their own hype. The body of christ is bigger than some people's bubble. If they do not know about an issue, why not shut up and let God judge? No, you see them quoting junk journalists and hearsay nonsense.

God bless you for this exposition.

CharlyG1:
No one is being judgemental against any prophet or man of God.

The scriptures are open and only he who has a ear and is willing, will hear.

Because a person started in Christ doesn't mean they will end in Christ. Let he who thinks he stands take heed lest he falls. We all stand in Christ only by the grace and strength of God. But whosoever strays and pursues after false gods unrepentantly, the Lord will find them wanting.


I don't care if you are a member of Apostle Suleiman's church. If you believe in the Money Miracle thing, know that you are being deceived and I only pray you come to the realization that you are following false doctrines.


We are followers of Christ, that's why we are tagged Christians. When a person speaks against unrighteousness in a pastor, the people who adore such person will quickly come to his defence even ignoring what the scriptures say in regards to the matter.


I don't care whether the truth stings you or not. The truth should sting because it is bitter. A man can call himself whatever he wants,... prophet, G.O, evangelist, apostle etc. It doesn't matter. What matters is what God calls that person.

People will no longer give ear to sound doctrine anymore in these days. But instead they will listen to teachers of false doctrines to suit their own desires 2 Timothy 4:3


It's no wonder that many will be deceived in the last days. The Bible says it clearly. Many don't even know they have lost track of God and are now in the track of a man.

Jesus told us "How can a person serve God and Mammon," You either hate one and be devoted to the other. You cannot serve God and money. Matthew 6:24

I expected some of the aboves to answer with scriptural backings and at least mention to put the said apostle in prayers like Noble said. For me, I hate to see others being led astray by false doctrines. And preachers of false doctrines are either ignorant or most likely false teachers.


If a so-called apostle turns to Mammon, He puts himself in darkness and will be used by Satan to lead others into a snare. That way, how can we say such a person is led by the Spirit of God. For only those who are led by the Spirit are the True Sons of God.

More drama will unfold. And when the time comes, many will look for where to hide their face. Because God will judge those that lead others into a snare.

Miracle money my foot! A disgrace to the Church of Christ!

N:B And to that person that said I'm unscriptural to say angels have authority over man. It's clear to me that you don't even know your Bible. You see yourself. When you keep following man instead of you to sit down and open your Bible to read.

Go and read and see the places where angels exercised authority over man. And if you still don't believe. It is clearly said in Psalms 8:4 & 5.

I asked you questions that you did not answer. You just danced around the points. Have you ever watched the programme? If you have not, you are already in error. Every other point you are making is nonsensical. If you have, then I will ask you more questions, just to let you know that you are completely out of your depth on Apostle Suleman.

Just to deliver you from gross ignorance, "Wonders without Numbers" is an online prayer meeting. Apostle Suleman shares scriptures related to an issue the holy spirit is leading him to pray about, explains the significance of the prayer and then leads people to pray for roughly 30-45 mins of the time. He usually raises 2 prayer points while at it.

Next, he prophesies about cases and individuals sometimes in relation to the prayer points and other times with whatever the holy spirit lays on him. Then towards the end of the prayer meeting, he prays specifically for the sick: asking people to place their left hands on the aspect that needs healing and their right hands stretched towards the screen.

Lastly, he prays for people in financial straits. People who might be owed monies, needing financial help from people they know, strangers etc, seeking financial favours, in financial dire straits. He asks people to hold their ATM cards, wallets or any token that represents money as a demonstration of faith. Then, he prays to God to come through for them. That God should send angels to help those who are lockedown and cannot get jobs, to cause people they know and strangers to help. Then he essentially ends the program.

By the next day of the prayer meeting, he reads out testimonies. Guess what? People write back telling him how they got strange alerts in their banks concerning monies - many times of names they do not know depositing money into their accounts. Sometimes people see their own names as the depositor. Others testify that people who owed them strangely paid. Others talk about financial promotions at work and others talk about family members sending them monies. Real estate agents, contractors, get strange contracts and attribute it to the prayer he made concerning them the previous day. Those are all variations of "miracle money".

Nobody holds teaching sessions about money and spends time praying for monies to enter accounts. The prayer sessions related to finances are in maximum 10-15 seconds. That is why I asked you if you ever watched the programme before talking rubbish.

Now that you are educated, repent retract the stupid words you had used and continue to be the CharlyG1 that some of us come here to read from and leave stupid gossip and cheap talk to carnal people.

When you are ready for a thorough discussion on angels, mention me and be couth about it. I will show you a lot that you do not know.

For e.g you quoted Psalms 8:4-5. That is called studying a verse in isolation. What that refers to is mortality not authority. Man was made lower than angels in that man is mortal but angels are not. If you doubt me, Hebrews 2:7 repeats the same verse from Psalms 8:4-5 but in verse 9, the author includes that Jesus was also made lower than angels - so do angels have authority over Jesus going by your claims? That is false.

The author explains what it means - "for the suffering of death" which means mortality. Verse 16 of the same chapter says the same - Jesus did not take the "nature of angels" - the form of angels. Instead he took the seed of Abraham - which means he was mortal. Says nothing about authority.

Again, I ask, where is it in the bible that angels have authority over man?

TheNoble007:
Your comment brought me out. It grieves my heart to see the ridicule that many Christians have subjected themselves to, especially the black race. However, it is expected as prophesied in the Scriptures.

Anyone can derail from God if he/she turns from God and begin to walk according to his own self regardless of his/her popularity or good works. God is no respecter of persons. These sects of people needs our prayers because they can fall into errors just as any of us can be, but the efficacy of our prayers can be limited if the person involved, subconsciously, chooses not to listen. Our God is still a merciful God.

When I gave a word of knowledge concerning TB Joshua, many of his blind fellows stood to defend him. I mentioned that his cup is full. What later happened? Some even tried to bet with me. I ignored them. How foolish they were. It is pathetic how we've given much adoration to MEN and many choose to walk in darkness.

Shalom!

I pity you because you think you are right but how wrong you are on this issue.

CharlyG1:
Let no one be deceived. What you sow, you will reap.

Miracle money does not exist with God. The so-called prophet that commands angels to credit people's bank account is of questionable character. That latest act is either magic money or a scam.

Jesus already told us ''By their fruits, you shall know them''.

Does it always have to be about money? Is the kingdom of God about money or wealth?

Jesus said ''When you ask something in my Name, it will be given to you'', When you knock on the door, it will be open to you''.

In other words, PRAY.

By praying we fellowship with the Father. We learn to wait on Him. We build faith in long-suffering, and we become better-molded children of God, who can trust God and depend wholly on Him. Most of us are going through some tough times. God knows about it but He wants us to learn to lean on Him and pray and wait. In due time, you will see the blessing.

Abraham had to wait for many years even after the promise of Isaac. The disciples had to wait for the Holy Ghost (Acts 4:31)(Luke 24:49).

If you want to know what true Christianity is all about.. It's about LONG-SUFFERING. Waiting on God. Holding Him close.

Miracle money by Apostle Suleman is not the type that glorifies God, but man.
And who even commands angels? Man or God?

It's hilarious for a person to claim they can command angels to share money. That's magic or witchcraft if the commanding is real. Because the person would be commanding demons, not angels.

Angels are under the direct authority of God. If you see an angel in His true form, you won't even have the strength to do any commanding. They even have authority over man here on earth.. as you can see in the case of Zachariah becoming dumb etc. Angels are representatives of God.


It's high time we opened our eyes to understand that anyone can preach, but that doesn't necessarily make them a child of God. False prophets have it in them to lift a particular scripture in the Bible, twist it for their own benefit, and then sell it to the people for a bad intent. 2 Peter 2:1

Miracle money will not just appear in your bank account if you command an angel to credit your account. God will have to impress it upon a person's heart to send you money. And sometimes you'll even have to ask that person.


Let us be careful. We are in the last days.


I am very angry in my spirit. I hold God to His words, that He will judge false prophets, and this year will not pass them by. Amen!
It doesn't matter how popular a person is. It doesn't matter if anyone here attends that person's ministry. Everyone will stand before God to give an account of themselves. God didn't promise anyone 100 years or 80 years. Though He has promised His children long life but He can take any person at any time. I know this about God... a person who leads others into a snare will quickly be cut down by God, for their cups get quickly full and judgment is pronounced from Heaven.

God will judge.

Have you ever watched the programme "Wonders without Numbers" from beginning to the end? Not just a snippet but the whole programme? If you have not, you have no authority to make any statement on it.

Just reading what you posted here, I know for sure that you have never watched it. A man of God should not be given to hearsay and gossip. Sit down with the word, fellowship with the spirit, ask him questions and you will be surprised what he will let you know.

Do not get carried away in your own hype. You will fall into errors faster than the people you hope to correct. Some of the things you have up here are not scripture - angels being given authority over men? What bible verses posit that? But you see people who are of the flesh cheering you on. Be very careful.

I know your heart means well but very well-meaning people are in error today. The opposite of truth is not a lie all the time. Satan just needs to pervert it a little and he has you where he wants you.

Stick to what God has called you to do and leave other men and what God has told them to him.

Watch and pray. Be blessed.

kramer:
1) The guide highlights that it's only a recommendation. Besides, any well run medical practice would still test it's patients for covid regardless of those guidelines. That said, you do raise a valid point in that it leaves room for misreporting and so i'll give this to you.

2) Yes, the vaccine was thought to be the ultimate solution I agree, but you have to remember that these guys have produced in 1yr what would normally take 5yrs to produce. And they didn't fully understand what they were up against either.

I enjoy engaging you because you are civil and I can see that you have your thinking cap on. Which is why I want to address the highlighted portion. This "vaccine" was not produced in 1 year neither do normal vaccines take 5 years to produce. A vaccine can be produced in a day - that is not the issue. The issue is, after designing one, you need clinical trials to test and understand its kinetics, dynamics and efficacy. Those clinical trials are in 3 phases and each phase is subjected to time. This particular vaccines skipped most of those trials, so anything they seem to be learning on the fly, is what they would have learned in time - as per how they were supposed to do things. Don't you think it bizzare that such hurriedly rolled out vaccines should then be mandated when it is not even fully understood?

3) So you know, all vaccines are not 100% effective for everyone. For example, there are people who have died from getting measles vaccine whereas the same jab has protected millions of people. Vaccines are primarily designed to generate an immune response that will protect the vaccinated individual during future exposures to the disease. Individual immune systems, however, are different enough that in some cases, a person’s immune system will not generate an adequate response. As a result, he or she will not be effectively protected after vaccination. Same goes for Covid vaccines; some are fully protected, some partially, some not much, and some have adverse reactions.

Of course, I am fully aware and your exposition is correct however, how vaccines work with immunocompromised patients i.e side effects etc are discovered and tabulated during the clinical trials. As such, such immunocompromised individuals are exempted from receiving the jabs. Further, even when breakthrough deaths may occur despite taking such measures, they are usually rare, few and far between. That is certainly not the case with this jab. In fact, these vaccines (so called) were not designed to generate an immune response as the measles vaccines that you referred to. The producers have said it ad nauseam: their investigational drug only aims at reducing the severity of symptoms. That is not how vaccines work which is why we have seen too many breakthrough cases and even they have announced a need for booster shots.

4) That babe is still alive. You will see fake news from anti-vaxxers claiming that she never got up after she fainted but here she is speaking about the condition she has right after she recovered:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOH7XLHl2mo&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=WRCBChattanooga&t=20s

Also Reuters (a neutral source I always trust) has also confirmed numerous times with facts that the news of her death is false https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-nurse-covid-vaccine-dead-idUSKBN29629G

I read the reuters article and then clicked the links that they cited to the supposed video of her standing in line with other nurses 4 days after. Interestingly, the video was taken down. I did a little digging and the video was a fake - the lady in question was clearly not her which is why they took it down. Her husband changed his married status online to single, Tiffany has since deleted all her social media profiles and accounts and since December of 2020, nobody has seen or heard from her - reuters in their article said they wrote to her but she was yet to reply - and still concluded all was well. You would think it will be easy to just put out a video proving you are alive and well so the "theories" will end, right?

Well, Tiffany is dead. Which should make you wonder why anyone will go through the length to deny it if it was coincidental. Remember this is August 2021, and since December 2020, not one person has heard from Tiffany.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/as1rvnNFNaQQ/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/FTFIwIEozZ1i/

I have more links than these, I just wanted to present the ones that are effective summaries.

kramer:
Going by the quote you've provided, vaccinated people who end up dying would still show up on the records because they would have to show symptoms. The recommendation only excludes vaccinated that don't show any symptoms.

You are correct, however, this measure should have been extended to unvaccinated folks too, see what I mean? In addition, dying of COVID19 and dying with COVID19 are not the same yet the CDC tabulates the death as one. What that implies is, if an unvaccinated folk goes in for stage 4 cancer and tests positive to the "COVID19 antibody", the CDC guideline suggests that that death should be written as a COVID19 death. This is skewed data collection because going by the guideline, a vaccinated stage 4 cancer patient will not even be subjected to a COVID19 test (since his symptoms are incongruous with COVID19) and as such the potential death never had the chance of being tabulated as a COVID19 death of a vaccinated individual.

And of course the vaccine alone cannot stop the spread, hence why I mentioned the other points as well mask, distance and hygiene

You are quite honest, nevertheless, the selling point of the jabs initially was the discontinuation of the masks and social distancing, to reintroduce them after the jab as a mandate surely means the jabs are not effective. Notice I left hygiene out of the mix because from the beginning of this COVID19 brouhaha I was one of those suing for hygiene, yet the "experts" called that misinfomation.

The vaccine does provide some level of immunity as it reduces the effect of the virus (making it less severe) but then everybody's different especially if you've got underlying problems. That said, It's better to be safe than sorry. The last thing you want to do is lay down on your death bed, 10 mins away from leaving this world and wishing you had taken it (like this stubborn dude https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57958358)

No, the jab does not produce any level of immunity. Immunity means being protected from contracting or transmitting said disease. If all the jab does is reduce the severity of the symptoms, then it is not a vaccine but a therapeutic drug or an immune booster - similar to vitamins C and D, Zinc etc.

As for the Stephen Harmon story, we can trade stories and I wager I will have more that will have you asking questions. Did you ever know or hear about the RN Tiffany Dover who was amongst the first set of people to get the jab late 2020? What happened to her? She was famous for fainting right after taking the jab. She died and yet the media tried to claim she was still alive. Fact-checkers tried to claim that all claims about her death were wrong, yet this is August, and nobody can provide a video of her being alive yet there is a ton of evidence that she died shortly after the jab. She is one of many stories of even people dying of COVID19 after taking the jab. I would rather not trade such stories yet.

LordReed:
I know you are not like me, you have puke for brains so how can you be like me. What was in the Fauci emails that is making you giddy again? LOL.

I'm not doing free lectures today. Try another day.

kramer:
Same as before, Get vaccinated, Wear your mask, Social distance, Good hygiene

You do know that the "experts" say the vaccine does not prevent against spread, contraction nor hospitalisation with regards to the delta variant? You do know that it does not immunize against it - according to the "experts"?

kramer:
Please provide your source. I live in the UK and that’s not what I’m hearing fam

Here’s another source for you

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

The CDC in the USA already delegated hospitals to not test anyone who has been vaccinated against COVID19 when hospitalised. That already implies that the data is skewed to report only unvaccinated cases, don't you think?

Remember a COVID19 death is anything from dying of COVID19 to dying with COVID19.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html

kramer:
In case you haven't been reading the news, it's back everywhere in the world, thanks to a new variant

So what is the solution to this "new" variant?

LordReed:
Because I miss see your zombie posts. LMAO!

I believe you mean "seeing". Remember when you thought you knew anything and were shown how insignificant your knowledge base is?

LordReed:
LoL! Is that the thing that was going to happen? Have you even gone through the emails or are you regurgitating the zombified mess that is your diet.

I know you are not well-studied but it is folly to assume others are like you.

kramer:
Because the mortality rate for vaccinated people is extremely low. Going by the stats in the US it's 0.01%. Go and get your vaccine

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/31/health/fully-vaccinated-people-breakthrough-hospitalization-death/index.html

I will only have a meaningful conversation with you if you do not quote CNN as I do not believe in anything that comes from there. I will for the sake of a conversation entertain CDC data. What is the mortality rate for unvaccinated people? Meanwhile, there are as many deaths amongst the vaccinated according to UK data, Massachusetts data etc.

prekumohtim:
Pst. Matthew Ashimolowo, did he die for your sins?
Get vaccinated and leave others alone.

I am highly convinced that what's in this country is hunger virus , not covid.
If it were covid19, we would all had been gone long ago. Check your public transportation system and your markets. We rub ourselves daily boarding public vehicles with maximum load. Sometimes no ventilation, even the vehicles are in daily use. They are not sanitized. Market the same thing....I can't also remember the last time I saw someone on mask. Not that we are vaccinated but we still live freely. NCDC death toll was increasing daily during the lockdown but immediately the lockdown was lifted, it all dropped. Now they are still releasing figures because they want to to cash out

Yes, it could be in abroad, not in Nigeria. What we have here is hunger .

My own is, where is it indicated in the story that the man was not vaccinated?

blackslayer:
My goodness...it is the same God that gave us the brain to cure diseases with drugs and medicine! That is the miracle and gift from God through man's action and work. God inspires man to do these things! Please apply wisdom and an open heart when reading the word of God. God's word is complete!
I dare you to go and drink poison and talk about, it will not hurt you....It's not even about testing God's words because i know that will be some people's rebuttal! Drink the poison and take the antidote so you will not die....Now that is God's amazing work!

Does this "vaccine" prevent one from contracting the disease or transmitting it?

jesusjnr2020:
Who do now believe?

Those like David Oyedepo and Chris Oyakhilome who claim Covid-19 is a scam, or their close friends like Matthew Ashimolowo and Benny Hinn respectively who believe it's real. Benny Hinn even claimed to have contracted the virus.

I believe in the report of the Lord which says:

Mark 16:18

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Luke 10:19

Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

May God grant the family the fortitude to bear the loss. Amen.

God bless.

What did Chris Oyakhilome mean when he said COVID-19 is a scam?

RiyadhGoddess:
Chai!
Forget the controversies & conspiracy theories surrounding the covid-19 vaccine by our big religious leaders, be like Pastor Mattew Ashimolowo & Rev. Victor Adeyemi & get vaccinated.

RIP Pastor Danjuma.

So who told you this Pastor that died was not vaccinated?

LordReed:
You predicted something was going to happen in May.

When did Fauci's emails leak?

LordReed:
Hi American Zombie, we are in August now nothing has happened or did it happen and we didn't catch it?

What are you mentioning me your ancestors for? I don't understand. Nothing has happened where?

chinedu1408:
In all my time on Nairaland I have never entered the religion part, I am happy I did today. I am at a car wash waiting for my car to be washed while drinking Heineken and 2 big point and kill Fish. This is interesting.

For many years I have always had a funny experience which had sounded strange till I entered this thread.

Sometimes when I am alone and tired I start thinking and drift away in thoughts which I most times casually push aside but only for months or weeks into the future I see those things I thought about in the past happen before my eyes, I can virtually explain what will happen next as if it were a movie I had watched. I usually tell people with me that I had dreamt or thought of this present moment and they would give me that awkward look. Please is this a gift and if it is how can I harness it better.

I also have the ability to wake up from dreams whenever I am been defeated rest a little and restart the dream from earlier, as in if I had dreamt for 10mins I would wake up and rest then rejoin the dream at 9mins. 1minute earlier before I was defeated. I think it's a trick of not losing any fight in my dreams most times when I try to defeat the enemy numerous times without success I wake up fully sweating and never go back to the particular dream.

I am just a church goer but deep down I always feel I am made for more.
I don't enjoy praying, I rarely pray but whenever praise worship is going on on service I feel lifted in my spirit.

If you get deep in your walk with God he will reveal your prophetic destiny. You definitely have the gift of a prophet but it is unharnessed. Prophet Uebert Angel operates the very same way you have described. He can continue dreams and visions from any point such that he sometimes takes breaks to get a pen and paper and then go back to his dream/vision.

He also said his imaginations are prophetic. If he has a random thought about someone, they end up always being right. This is apart from having regular open visions and knowing the future or past about people very wily-nilly. Another person who functions this way but this time in Nigeria is Apostle Johnson Suleman.

obonujoker:
Every other thing is right except the rapture before great tribulation... I used to think so too, until I read the bible and corroborated what the Lord Jesus said...

Remember Rapture happens at the Last Trump... And the last trump is only going to be blown when Jesus comes again...

And remember the only reason the Antichrist is coming is to persecute the saints... When the rapture comes, no saint will be left behind... There is nothing like tribulation saints...

Bro read... Matthew 24: 28-31; Read revelation 19

Bro, remember I told you to study diligently. Your understanding on the subject matter is iffy. The 7th trumpet in Revelation is not the same as the last trump in 1 Corinthians 15. In Revelation, after the 7th trumpet, a lot of things happened for days even months. Read it you will see. Jesus then comes after all those things which is what Matthew 24 was talking about (immediately after the tribulation).

In 1 Corinthians 15, study it in context. What Paul called the last trump can also be referred to as the 2nd trump. Paul was saying during the rapture there would be 2 trumps. 1 when the dead in christ will rise first and the 2nd or last when those alive join them. This ties into 1 Thess 4:16-17.

Also take note that "trump" and "trumpet" are not the same. Trump is a sound but Trumpet is an instrument. Paul referred to trump but John said he saw 7 angels with 7 trumpets and each of those trumpets led to terrible things. Can you see that they were not referring to the same thing? Paul says those 2 trump sounds mean great things for the church but John says those 7 trumpets blown by the angels will lead to damaging and terrible things for the whole world.

I told you earlier, the people who educated you don't understand this subject very well.

Akwamkpuruamu:
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

You are doing a very good job.

jesusjnr2020:
If according to you, Jesus said "wait for the Holy Spirit", for you to now translate that to mean "wait for Paul" confirms the extent to which you're walking in error.

Even while Paul was yet a Pharisee, the disciples of Jesus waited as Jesus instructed them to, and the Spirit of God came upon them which empowered them to become witnesses unto Him in the world, which led to Paul persecuting them which in turn led to his conversion.

So, as you can see, it's the height of ignorance to think that anyone who keeps Jesus Words needs anyone else or Paul to understand His Words, because the disciples didn't need Him. What they needed was the Spirit of God as Jesus said, and that's what I got.

I recommend Him to you, so that you'd stop walking in ignorance thinking you need Paul to understand the Words of Jesus.

No, the point was to show that Jesus' words were not enough and he said so.

Paul is not the holy spirit but the scriptures you read which were inspired by the holy spirit, 70% of them in the New Testament were written through Paul's hands. For e.g, you had no understanding of discernment until Paul explained it. You had no understanding about the office of the prophet and the gift of prophecy, you had no understanding of the fullness of the spirit etc. All these you got a whiff of courtesy, Paul.

In fact, you could not fully know who a christian was without Paul.

So pretending that you got a full understanding from Jesus' words is spiritual gymnastics my friend. The initial apostles had received the spirit before Paul yet the scriptures you make reference to are mostly from him.

Do you think it by chance? No, what it signifies is, many people can receive the spirit but only a handful commune with him intimately enough to know his deepest thoughts, intentions and meanings. That is why those apostles you made reference to were still mixing judaism with christianity until Paul.

If you do not know these fundamentals, how do you think your discernment will be quickened enough to know if Prophet Joshua is diabolic or not? lol

jesusjnr2020:
Oh you also learnt from Paul, right?

Well I learnt from his Master, Jesus, and followed His instructions, and guess what, He's the One who holds the keys to the Kingdom. So can you see that you have no case?

I've already told you to wait, but if you like, don't but keep speaking... Your choice.

Man, you cannot fully practice or understand christianity from Jesus' words in the bible. Jesus himself even told you to wait for the spirit to come for you to get full understanding. You had no clue what really communion stood for without Paul.

That is exactly why you are confused right now about TB Joshua.

You have essentially proven it. Thanks.

jesusjnr2020:
Are you Paul?

I'm not either.

I'm convinced you're wrong. You're convinced i'm wrong, that why we have to wait to confirm who's right between the two of us.

So be patient as I said if you're really sure of yourself. No need to talk too much. Let things speak for themselves at the end.

Paul already told us how to know - I followed what he said and got an answer. I am not trying to convince you. You will eventually know, I already know. Know what I mean?

petra1:
what discernment do you understand discernment or anything aboyt the holyspirit? even your Pastor will laff at you . when your Pastor visited Celestial churxh in ikorodu where was his discernment?

Story,story . You could not even answer a simple question . what miracles has your Pastor worked. compared to the man youre condeming.

jesusjnr2020:
Then you obviously serve a different God from mine.

Be patient.... Wait!

LOL. Did you tell Paul to wait to be sure he will make heaven or not or did you not read him already saying a crown awaits him? How do you think Paul knew?

jesusjnr2020:
Good!

I'm absolutely certain that you'd eat these your words at the end. So let's wait and see.

Nah, you are waiting for heaven. God has already confirmed everything for me whilst still here on this earth. There are levels to this thing bro.