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Rider23:
I can see you are BRAINWASHED already! Bye felicia

Sure sure sure.

I know when demons are talking have they told you? I mean the ones currently talking to you? Ask them. They know me.

Rider23:
Another brainwashed sheeple!... Even your foundation school the person has gone.. Even deacons were duped in that church! weather you believe or not is your problem! Selah!

Actually...it is your problem not mine.

Enjoy your day.

pek:
The e-warriors have arrived, defending the indefensible. You are quick to refute all claims against your "church", boldly saying such didn't happen. Keep showing your level of reasoning.

Actually it is you showing your base level of reasoning. As long as someone typed a story that defames a church you don't like it must be true. Only fools think that way.

So a man stood in the place of God, asked church members to bring their monies to him so he would "invest" it for them and double it and they did it without hesitation? People who are under the tutelage of Rev. Chris Oyakhilome? LOL.

Not possible. It is not possible for anyone to be a CE member, listen to Pastor Chris teach for 1 month and then do such a foolish thing. So the story is trash; Null and Void.

If you don't believe me it is your cup of tea. I am here to warn people so that some wise ones will desist from chiming in a lie and heaping curses upon themselves. But I trust the children of perdition not to listen. Destruction awaits them.

oruma19:
better let's be mindful of grieving the holy spirit. He does not dwell in an unclean place. Ur doctrine is full of fraud, u encourage sin in the name of grace and come to claim that u r working with the holy spirit. Pls don't let the holy spirit face u squarely for using him to defraud and mislead pple. CE is an end time church, full of deceit . if the bible says divorce and masturbation and mammon worship are sins and ur pastor says they are not, who should we obey? God of the Bible or God of the "embassy"? Beta come out of that place and seek God in truth. U r the people that make unbelievers mock christianity as a religion

So when you find out the lies you peddled about the church were just lies what would you do? Apologize and move on? Don't be deceived; you would account for every idle word you spoke about the church and in that moment you would remember my exchange with you.

You are not a new phenomenon. Every year I meet people like you. They talk before God has spoken and judge things before their time. I can only have pity for you because I know your end. It is the way of destruction. I know this because whenever God wants to deal with anyone, he makes them collide with us.

Selah!

oruma19:
most pple who have visited that church have one bad news or the other about the business centre they call church. The founder is a freestyle preacher. He isn't a spiritual man. That's y his followers are like that. Flesh has taken over the ministry. E no concern me sha. I convinced my sister to stop attending that church and thank God she sees reason now

No, not most people. Few mosquitoes here and there who are largely misdirected know-it-alls. If that were not the case, why are our meetings both within and without Nigeria significantly attended with flagrant signs and wonders by the Holy Spirit confirming the words he sent us to preach?

You can mislead your family members to eat bread and water everyday even when there is jollof rice, roast chicken, juice and other Mede Mede to munch- it is your own kettle of fish. But the moment you step out of the truth just to justify your inherent carnal nature, you should not go about boldly declaring it because you are simply venting thoughts of Satan.

Rider23:
Keep deceiving yourself.. If it's lies then he should sue the poster na

So that he would be distracted or what?

I already know your type. You are already conditioned to believe anything against the church so I cannot help you.

If you run into a CEC Pastor, you would know. The guy above is not and the story does not even make sense.

Anyone who remotely listens to Pastor Chris cannot create a Ponzi scheme let alone a pastor. I saw some other poster tell lies about a CEC Pastor asking 10 people to come out with 10k. That is a bloody lie and God will pay all such liars back in his own way.

Even in campus fellowships, No BLW Pastor would ask people for 10k for anything as God does not lead us that way. If the church needed 100k for anything, the Pastor just need announce it and I guarantee you there would be someone there to drop the check.

Church work is not contribution and Ponzi schemes. It takes grace. God can lead a stranger to give a genuine MOG $100k without being induced to and that is what Pastor Chris believes.

So I don't know which church members after listening to Pastor Chris, would carry their monies and give to the pastor as if he is a money-doubler. Forget it, the story is bogus.

LOL


Lies. No CEC Pastor can do that.

MiddleDimension:
no, i won't leave the so-called exegesis to christians alone.

1. That point isn't correct! The other disciples also called Jesus "teacher". This can be found in the transfiguration of Jesus. Peter called Jesus "teacher".

Being called "teacher", does not mean that one is debasing you. As a matter of fact, the word translated teacher is actually Rabbi. It is the same as the word "mallam" in northern Nigeria especially pre-colonial times. The person called mallam/Rabbi in the respective societies are highly placed people. They are people of authority! Judas calling Jesus teacher, means he identifies Jesus as someone of authority. Don't understand the teacher he called Jesus in the sense we unfortunately understand it today.

There is a reason you were told to leave exegesis to spirit-led people. I said THAT WAS ALL Jesus was to Judas- a good teacher and nothing else. Jesus had already told them earlier that any man would be to you what you see in him (by revelation).

Some only saw Jesus as a carpenter. To them, getting their furnitures delivered to them was all they benefitted from him. Some saw him as a prophet (Samaritan woman) and he prophesied to them. Some saw him as a teacher, he taught them. Some as a healer- he healed them. Others as a miracle worker- he performed miracles for them (Mary his mum at the Wedding in Cana). While some (like the criminal on the cross) saw him as the Messiah and they got salvation from him.

When Jesus asked his disciples who he was to them, they kept mum. Only Peter spoke up. Did Jesus praise him for his wisdom? No. Instead Jesus told him that Peter only knew that by revelation. That is why the scriptures would look like a mere book to you, because it has not been revealed to you by the Holy Spirit.

2. I think you are being unfair to the person Judas. He did not think Jesus was unworthy of the gift. The reason he said so was clearly stated in same passage. "...for he was a theif...".

Mary spent almost a year's wage on that perfume and did not even give it to Jesus to use. She poured it on his feet because that was the appreciation she had for Jesus. Someone else saw it and felt she wasted it.

Question, if Judas felt she wasted it, was he not saying the person who received it- Jesus - did not deserve it?

When 2 criminals were on the cross with Jesus. 1 of them said "son of God, free us and free yourself or else you are a scammer". The other said " don't talk like that. This man is who he claims to be".

Is it not clear between the 2 of them that even though both called him "the Christ" only 1 of them truly saw him as that? The other one was like Judas.

3. Again you are being unfair to Judas here. You really cannot compare Judas' betrayal to Peter's denial of Jesus. Judas handed an innocent man from whom Judas had benefitted alot, to those who would kill him while peter was only too afraid to stand by his friend when he needed him the most. Judas' fuuk up was more massive than Peter's

Uninitiated men look at things the way you described above- but not spiritual men. Jesus told us the implications of denying him: he said any man who denies him infront of men, his father in Heaven will deny in return. And if God denies you, it means you are not getting into heaven.

So spiritually Peter's offense was heaven-depriving as much as you want to claim Judas' was. Both were being used by Satan at the time (Jesus said so). In fact, Peter was warned before hand and he boasted he would not fail (self-righteousness) yet he failed miserably.

What differed between both men was their repentance. For while Judas felt remorseful he did not repent. Repentance does not equate to crying or confessing sins like some people believe. Genuine repentance or "Metanoia" means to change your mind about something and turn to something else (in this case God).

Judas cried bitterly like Esau (Heb 12:17) but he did not repent because if he did he would not have committed suicide. In contrast, Peter wept bitterly and asked for forgiveness from God. That is genuine repentance because he translated from self-pity and penance to God's love and forgiveness.

Again, Judas is nothing near the likes of me who are atheist, agnostics etc. He had no doubts about Jesus. He was only not able to tame his greed, like some of your pastors can't tame theirs

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Au contraire he very much is. Most Agnostics and Atheists quote some teachings of Jesus and say how great a teacher he was but they don't see him as God that he is. Some feel those of us who put our monies in the gospel are fools (Just like Judas felt about Mary Magdalene).

It is not enough to like Jesus. You have to believe in him as Lord and God or else you are like Judas.

Receive Jesus today!

prof22:
Exactly Finally you agree to my point ... End of discussion.
Oooops he's holy ...just mentioned someone's wife and home. Your holiness is a curse on your person and your belief.

You are welcome

I'm not here again.

Your unholiness is your ticket to frustration and hell.

You are welcome.

Be gone.

prof22:
It is not in my imagination you brought it up. You should have connected your sense with your hand before typing it maybe ...

I am responsible for what I typed. I am not responsible for how you choose to understand it. You can be dumb for all I care and be unable to grasp things.

The evidence supports this.

prof22:
Well even the head lack it so why should I worry about the followers
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Exactly. Just like in your home.

prof22:
I think its more of the questionable characters in your assembly and the people that claimed to know the word and their life is not reflecting it at least the one that claimed to be holy here ...and even from your comments here you are not close, not even in the neighbour of holy. So far away from it. A Christian life should be good enough to win souls to the body.

Here ...
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Yes, we have questionable characters in our midst. You wife was one but you helped us uproot her so we now have 1 less questionable character. Hospitals need sick people. Those who are not sick should go elsewhere.

I am righteous and Holy.

prof22:
I don't need to read about addicts when I have members of your assembly around they should talk more from experience. You can believe all that..its a free world.


Here ...

Yes, you have your wife.

prof22:
Well so far you get the idea of the message the rest doesn't really matter. You are replying me because you get peppered and too blind to see beyond your nose. I never claimed to be holy like you people. Oh She's a devil now ..wow interesting ..Well at least the devil we know is better than the one we don't. Wanking...well I'm talking about it because it is attributed to him.

Here ooo

Appealing to her judgment is a fallacy that is my point. Or else you better take her judgement too pre-2014. Thinking is not hard.

It is only your imagination that anyone compared her to the devil. The fact that you believe her statements does not make them true.

prof22:
Well they didn't link him to another church they had to look for a church that's used to the wrongs...

It is better to attribute your success to God. Not to your pastor. Yes go and calculate and let me know his worth. Since he's richer than them all. I'm not engaging in any debate I'm saying what you are scared of saying because you worship a man not God.

#Adultery#Wanking#Fornication that's my point. No one is perfect but you should work more on addressing all these. Its right there in your assembly from the top to the bottom.


Here ...

They did not link him to another church because the god of this world system, Satan, does not hate another church like he hates us. What is new?

Why is it that people use the name Jesus to cuss and swear yet if you just carelessly mention Muhammed Muslims want to kill you? It is the same reason. Satan hates Jesus name more so he has tried to cause people to bastardize its use so they would not believe in it.

Nothing is new. Next....

prof22:
It is better to attribute your success to God. Not to your pastor. Yes go and calculate and let me know his worth. Since he's richer than them all. I'm not engaging in any debate I'm saying what you are scared of saying because you worship a man not God.

#Adultery#Wanking#Fornication that's my point. No one is perfect but you should work more on addressing all these. Its right there in your assembly from the top to the bottom.


Here ...

I told you, if we open scriptures you won't go to your church again. So if Mr. X taught you Maths in a way nobody else ever did and you got an A1 in it, you would be remiss to say Mr. X was pertinent to your success?

This type of pride is the one it takes the holy spirit to see. You think appreciating Mr. X detracts from giving God praise? LOL.

I feel so sorry for you.

judeodion:
Stop scattering words on table like you're playing draft. Did I say providing semen is a sin? I've had to provide semen for a Doctor. I didn't masturbate. You left the point I made unattended to. Masturbation is of the heart(mind) you succeed in masturbation by 'looking lustfully'either by watching porn or by using your mind to think of a naked woman-having images of sex on your mind. I should have been this plain earlier( I still don't know you). You're trying to fool everybody with your "what if" conditions. If you want to live your entire life masturbating, please go ahead quietly and don't start making people who don't masturbate look stupid and irreligious.

Sorry you are the one bandying words you don't understand. How did you provide semen without masturbating I am curious to know?

Masturbation is not always of the heart and mind. In fact, you don't need to think of anything to masturbate. Go and read up about addicts many of whom say even the most unrelated thing can prompt an urge. So your definition is defeated.

You are the one who is pretentiously trying to justify your need to masturbate. I don't but I won't boldly declare something a sin because it does not line up with my behaviour.

Masturbation in itself is not a sin. Period.

prof22:
Well, I think by now you are trying so hard to believe someone could tell it raw. Yes I am telling it raw..I don't need to know how to quote..you are replying me simply because you can read my views. You are a no brainer low don't qualify you. You don't play a role in my journey. And how was your journey I'm sure you wanked altru. You don't agree with her that's ur personal view..we have people that agree with her. And you think heaven is for people like you ? Im not sure though im not judging but it's just not clear ... Well let me not judge
#TheHolyOnes
Well ..here

You are really cracking me up. No-brainer pertains to an act not a person. Sheesh. You are one daft Prof.

And, I am replying so you won't think you are making any point because sometimes people like you misjudge one's conscience for weakness.

Yea, there are people that agree with her. People also agree with the devil so?

All you type is self-service self-service...you are just displaying the character of your spirit. You are unholy and confused. Just scream "I need help!!!"

prof22:
Radicalising the ignorant, releasing men from religious bondage by telling them to keep up their lustful acts? Its better to leave them the way they were than brainwashing them into lustful acts. Thank heavens your leader is not the richest in the country and not the most successful among the men of God una for declare public holiday... Captains of industries are everywhere. In every religion too. Thank God he's not the richest. When it was flopping ... Well I don't know about it.
so i have nothing to say

** Rev Sunday olisa impregnated his housmaid ..4 abortions ooops...27 may 2017. Check for it. Type it on google its everywhere among others.


Well I don't buy oil and water too. I'm sure you know the people you are talking about. But at least they didn't pay at the gate. Soon you will have bouncers and fire dancers
It is the holier than thou attitude and hypocrisy that I'm against.

#MyHolyOne yes you called yourself HOLY !


Here ...so so here

LOOOOOL. You want me to engage in puerile debates but I leave that to Forbes and other confused bloggers. I am sure they said he is worth $50M yet 7 years ago he gave out $10M. Or this year he dashed $2M to a church in Lekki. Go and find out how much it costs to host shows on USA Network and when you return I guarantee you you would be humble.

I only shared these stories with you to know that you are grossly misled like the bloggers you quote so willy nilly. Yes, Captains of industries exist everywhere but how many attribute their success to their Pastors? Not many. So try again.

I laughed myself silly when I saw Rev Olisa. Hahahaha. I told you you are desperate and confused or desperately confused or both .Those bloggers had to infuse Christ's embassy into the story so it would sell like hot bread. Ask your wife that was a member for 10 years. How many people in CEC are addressed as Rev.? LOL

That story was on NL and also debunked here. That church is named Believers Word ministry not Believers Love World INC. So another of your lies has been busted. LOL

prof22:
Well, your comments are contradictory to what you called yourself. You claimed to be holy and see your life here. Out of the abundance of your holy mind your hand typeth. There's virtually no connection between your brain and your hand. Tell someone to help you type ..not someone like you.
At least you accepted that his wife claims are true and it means you know the claims, for you to accept and still ask me what her claims were? you are just a low or no brainer ... You need help understanding your own text ... Little by little sense is falling on you and soon the full sense will crush you. I can see how you talk more on the wealth. I pray your life goes in the same way your leader life is going. Same for me too ...I will be a testimony. Because I didn't come here to claim holiness. I made it clear I'm a work in progress to perfection but you gave yourself the title. The holy one. Who uses foul languages to make points. Yes your members are getting sense one by one. The ones that sees the wrong. The ones that knows adultery, fornication and wanking are not right. You said I will never get there hmmm thank God you are not my creator. "Thou shall not judge " you just did ...That's a HOLY one from you ..YOUR HOLINESS IS DISGUSTING !
CE members come and carry ur SHAMEFUL HOLY ONE Here. Come and see a product of a church that knows the word. You are so fake.

You will never arrive at holiness. And if you are not holy, na hellfire they wait for you. Instead of grovelling through nonsensical posts you make, and do not even know how to quote BTW, why don't you bother about getting holy or something?

I accepted that his wife's claims are true because you would not find me throwing such a woman of virtue under the bus. She serves God and he knows how to minister to her. Also, I know what her claims are even though I don't agree with her and she has made other claims about her husband in the past why did you not believe her then? Hypocrite.

But you are the pucknoser who knows diddly squat and still tried to chime in. You are an uncircumcised philistine trying to talk in Christianese. You are uninitiated and I put it to you: you will never arrive at that holiness you seek. Quote me.

prof22:
I am here to take you on...accept that your life is bitter and you need help. Well thank God you mentioned pastors that are good examples. Pastor Adeboye is happily married..
..bishop is married too. Baba kumuyi another great man of God. And here goes yours..divorce to wanking to fornication to adultery to charging gate fees Who is fathering who So now your members don't die again Muslims do have accidents and people dont get hurt as well, don't preach that topic. Unbelievers can have accidents and go unhurt too. I am finally justified here "if they fornicate and commit adultery and fornication did they do it with me"" yes accept and relax. you are not worthy of emulation can't you see ...you claimed to show me the way...that I should self-service, fornicate and commit adultery.
Do you know him more than his wife ?

teach your children all these doctrines of wanking, adultery, and fornication and watch them be like u.

Benny hinn is ur god too...Serve God ....Serve God.

Religious bondage...you are really deeply pained..it is Painment ...I can see.
Mr ken impregnated members in SA too..oops..not worthy to be called a pastor too...another bad example there.

Pretty much available...
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You still don't know how to quote posts it is diabolically disgraceful.

I am bitter yet you are on a thread involving my church when you did not see me on yours. You are not only confused you are also ebbing towards ineptitude.

He is divorced yea, they are not, true, so what does that imply?

Have they put together shattered bones in a leg and seen such a person leap and jump for joy? Have they seen cancer dematerialise under the power of God? How many dead people have they raised?

Kido, all such comparisons are puerile. The hallmark of true stewardship to God is persecution not praise from worldly men. Jesus said "woe unto you if all men speak well of you for so will they treat the false prophets".

That is why I don't celebrate the adulation of carnal men like you but I instead bask in God's testimony of me. You say he is not worthy of emulation but you lied because he is more global than those names you mentioned put together. Everything he touches shakes the world like 100 Tsunamis. His messages sell the fastest and most, he is on more satellite reach and his books? Let us not even go there.

He does not use stadiums again because Pastors under him fill it up. These days, we don't even announce meetings again and the venues will still be packed out. People come in droves to hear fresh revelations about our oneness in Christ through him.

I heard one of those Pastors above preach about our righteousness in christ and I was filled with joy because some 10 years ago the same Pastor said "we are not the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus" but today he knows better.

We pray, God knocks down religious bondage and sheds light on religious minds so they may know the hope of our calling. Who do you want to lecture? You are a kid in spiritual things.

prof22:
**Wankers** adultery*** fornication ***ur trade mark

Your doctrines are tarnishing the gospel. You are a reproach. Your life is not working. It's hard to convince anyone to join you because your leaders are not good examples. From impregnating members to another. Her claims are so true because she knows him more than you all. But you are scared to say the truth.

Wow ! How holy are thou. Read your comments here and see the holistic approach. Listen I think you have a sour life and your brain is programmed to believing anything you are told without verifying if its true or not. I am not desperate and I think you are d one that is desperate to defend shameful acts here. Pray your life ends up like ur leaders. Pray to have a broken home. If you can't crave for the life of your leader then shame on you hypocrites . you cant give what you don't have. Your leaders can't preach about family when theirs didn't work because his teachings should be by example. Its take a success to preach it. Scriptures is not constitution that I should argue with you. And hey never impersonate as God sent. You are impersonating to be who you are not. No justification for the gate fees if it's not that you are money conscious. Is it a show now ? Uh ? People are doing so wonderfully well in every aspect of their lives in other ministries. But you have shut ur senses of reasoning to the right Norms.

You should call yourself holy because it is what you were told that you believe. I'm not asking for too much. Your pastors should stop sleeping with your girls. They should match making. They should be real. Fornication, adultery, wanking ...just not right.

#DefenderOfAllWrongs
#Wankers
#Fornication
#Adultery
#Gatefee

You are enjoying lustful acts not giving a life a meaning. Did you give your own life a meaning when you are sleeping with your members.


I'm very much available ...bring it on brüder oder schwester.
Danke !

The doctrines I believe in are liberating the lost, enlightening the ignorant, enriching the poor, healing the sick and releasing men like you from religious bondage.

What leaders are not good examples? Presidents? Captains of industry? Governors and their deputies? Distinguished senators and HOR members? You make me laugh.

They were building the Ecumenical centre in Abuja they called Pastor Chris and only 2 other ministers. Guess who gave the most?

They were planning PFN meeting in early 2000s and when it was flopping who did they call?

Ask them why they are looking for someone who is not a good example. Ask them why they listen to Sinach, Eben, Joe Praise, Frank Edwards, Buchi etc. He is their Pastor and they are the best gospel musicians in the country!

So what is it about him that they listen to that has made them world-beaters?

You lied about Pastors impregnating people because when you don't have a story to tell you would make one. The pastors are known world over to be skilled in the word, generous in giving and healers of the sick. Check them out in Sri Lanka, Southern Africa, Canada, US...lol. They are impregnating the world with greatness!

I don't answer dumb questions on gate fees. Read my past posts and learn. Sorry we don't sell water and Goya oil in the name of miracles. Sorry we are organized and led.

The people that are doing well in other ministries why are you not on their threads? Go there and celebrate them and leave us alone.

prof22:
**self-servicer, adulterer, fornicator***desperate to proof your life sucks

Yes you are holy. Check the contents of your messages here. You are holy? That's a breaking news. Why won't u say you are holy when you are gullible. It is what you were told. He said you are holy even if u self-service & fornicate. God is exposing the rots already. More to come. By their fruit you shall know them. Keep it up. It all ends somewhere.
His wife claims are so true. She knows him more than anyone. A disgrace to the body. A shame. A reproach.
#Gatefees -
#Divorce
#Wankers
#Fornicators
#Adultery
#JudgementIsComing
You are giving ur life lustful enjoyment not a meaning. One by one God will expose you all.
#TheGullibleOnes.


Still very much here ...

You still don't know how to quote posts. So much for a prof who wants to teach other people something. LOL.

His wife's claims are true since she should know him more. I agree. The question is what are her claims?

Also I hope her testimony was true too when she was in the ministry. I hope his 2 daughters who are still in the ministry and are also close to him have worthy testimonies.

One by one God will expose us all? Not 10 by 10? So what did that exposition bring? Did we get broke? Did we lose members? Did the anointing dry up? Did the ministry fold?

LOL. I am HOLY. Keep being on your journey to holiness. You would never get there.

prof22:
I am not holy. Working towards it.hypocrisy is when you see the wrong and don't talk about it because of your interest. Your teachings and the ways of life of ur leaders and members are posing threat to d gospel. Thats the thing. Its not about the church I attend, it's about doctrines that are acceptable, things you are proud of, a good leader should be a role model. I'm not here to ask you to leave. That's not my point. My point is I'm saying what you see and ignore. I'm giving voices to d wrongs that you don't accept. I'm talking about what we know about your church. I'm talking about the immoralities in ur assembly ...you claim to know the Word. You are not living by the word. If you know better we should see it in ur ways of life. Maybe your church should start fixing D's things. You charge gate fees too Its not a must make money assembly not a must save soul Saving souls now is now expensive ...trading ur money to get saved?? You need to be reradicalized....

And a part of you finally agreed to all these wrongs with D's ur response. The tone of it says so....

Anyway...serve God almighty.
I am going nowhere ...very much here

No wonder you are so desperate and confused. Oh, so you are not holy? Then how can you give what you don't have?

My dear, go and read up. If we discuss scriptures you may never enter your church again but that is not what God sent me to do so I won't poach another man's follower.

If you want to know about gate fees see some of my past posts. I have addressed it. Stop displaying crass ignorance abeg.

And for your information, I am HOLY!!!!!!

prof22:
I am shocked by your choice of words here. Well, dont be a bitter or sour defender of whatever you believe. I know this is not about religion (something about your background or something ...) This is who you are. Try to make more sense as a christian. Unbelievers are reading our post here. You see how you people kill revival by not understanding what the bible says but understanding what you hear when its not that you cannot read and understand. Listen Mr justifier , the bible is not a constitution that you need to approach the court to interprete. I know how addicted you are. Its your way of life. Thats why fornication and adultery is rampant in your church..and oops divorce and i know you can get a verse to back it up too. I think apart from being a christian you should know what morals are and how to talk in the public. You don't come here to show you lack some stuffs. Its a forum where anyone can share his or her view/views which is or are personal. You dont need to take offense at all. Please get comfortable in a sane society and i know how its hard if you are from the other side ...Well, believe what you can believe. But you are reproach to the body at the moment Mr semen. If you people are D's brainwashed because of religion, no wonder it was easy for boko haram to do d same. Fornication and adultery that's what comes to MIND when we hear of ur church.
Your pastors imitate him, they fry head like him, they talk like him. They are not original. They are fake (not all there will always be the good ones)!!! The disciples didn't dress like Jesus or wear clothes like him.

MOST of the things the guy posted here are true. Because your members are here to defend ..
And your church don't talk about SIN but money and you are not even the richest upon your enterprising in the country. Crave for your life to be like your oga.
So how long have you been wanking
Don't take d wrong guy on here. Your pastors are just enjoying your girls because they are so gullible and fooled into believing they are supernatural. We are spirit being but we live in our physical body and and that means you should get sense. They have erections too. And with the girls around sin upon sin but since sin is nothing they pick them one by one. Point and kill like cat fish. Brothel or what ?? Yeah that guy mentioned it too. You can as well divorce your wife and be a bad example.
We know the men of God ...even Muslims and unbelievers know them. You are a reproach at the moment. I married from ur church. A memBer for over 10years ...she knows better now.
I'm.checking for ur response. Anytime ..I will be here

Wanking is so wrong ... You are promoting immoralities
Some of your girls are too submissive to the pastors they see and treat as angels and they don't treat their parents better. Gullibility !!!

Atleast you did one thing right: you finally quoted me well.

You live in confusion, I show you the way, you take correction yet no sign of gratitude. Is that the moral value you portray or public decorum you wanted to lecture someone about? LOL.

I asked you a question and you could not answer it so you went on a tirade then injected the regular fallacy people who know zilch like to employ in debates; you claimed your source must be authentic since you married a former member. LOL.

NO, you did not. You did not marry a former member anymore than anyone who married the OP would have claimed. You cannot be a former member for instance and say all they preach about is money. That would be funny if not so inane. I guarantee you that your favorite pastor buys Pastor Chris' messages, listens to it then repackages it to you guys as new revelation.

Each time I see it, I laugh. I watch alot of Nigerian pastors using even the examples Rev. Chris used in his older messages when they are preaching yet members of their congregation unknowingly come online to spew thrash about the person who clandestinely fathers their own spiritual father.

So if you were referring to bitterness at any point in time you are living in phantasm my dear. You do nothing else but crack me up. When women wearing Trousers to church or not covering their head was unpopular, guess who saying it was not a sin? Today even some conservative churches do not frown at such things.

You say people identify the church with adultery and fornication but you are only describing the character of your own thoughts and imaginations. Rhapsody crew had a terrible accident in Benin few years back but when the Police and other unlookers came to the scene, nobody was hurt even with a scratch. One Police man, on seeing copies of Rhapsody in the wreckage said "Ah, na Pastor Chris people. No wonder nobody die for the accident". So yea, that is another way people identify us.

When they see the excellent displays of our TV programs, our meetings in Stadia across the world, our Music ministry, our innercity missions, our healing schools in Nigeria, Canada and South Africa - they also identify us with that.

I don't like to condescend into arguments about rich or not because all such arguments are baseless but Benny Hinn heard about the money Pastor Chris was ready to pump into LoveWorld USA and world-renowned Benny Hinn shouted "I love your faith". LOL.The money he heard Pastor Chris call was so huge he felt Pastor was talking by faith.

So man, keep peddling the same exaggerations and lies. If they fornicate and commit adultery did they commit it with you? So how did you know? But when you were accused of gossip and idle chatter you denied it yet that is all you are doing now.

I won't even address your rubbish on divorce because you are merely venting the thoughts of the devil you serve but go and find out who divorced who so that atleast your lies will have some direction.

Most of what the guy posted here are true because you want them to be. Go and tell Paul that he too did not talk about sin in Romans 7. Tell him too that he had erring members in Corinth or perhaps you should tell Jesus disciples that they sounded and acted like Jesus so much so that anyone who heard them knew they were his followers.

While you are at it, tell Deeperlife Pastors not to sound like Pastor Kumuyi. Tell Living Faith Pastors not to sound like Oyedepo or RCCG Pastors not to sound like Adeboye. Tell HOR pastors to stop talking in Queens english like their senior pastor. In fact, you know what? Tell anyone who listens to another person consistently not to talk like that person so we can see how well that would work.

In that same vein, I have to tell you to stop talking like the accuser of the brethren ; the one who was cast down from Heaven himself as it is clear you listen to him alot.

And BTW, it is not only the women that are submissive to their Pastors, the men are too. We are only following the word of God. You people can break all the ranks you want in your church, God knows those who are truly his. Again, I hate to show it to you, but if Muslims know who your men of God are...then please, I do not want to be associated with you or such men.

We get our own testimony from God and really, it is only his testimony of us that matters. While you and other religious dummies go about badbelleing us, we don't recognize it because we are too busy pleasing the lord. In return, he increases our influence, money, revelations, anointing and demonstrations of power while you guys stay in the same spot you started in.

Member for 10 years ko, Staff for 100 years ni. Imagine hearing someone who went to Harvard Law School coming back to teach social studies in Primary school. That is the only way to describe someone who has been tutored by Rev. Chris for 10 years to now leave and settle for religious bondage.

prof22:
You are not defending God. Masturbation in all ramifications is a sinful act. You may not be defending God if you fail to see and accept there are a lot of wrongs in your church at the moment. Can't you see the point here. Go and preach about marriage to anyone and mention your church.
No one is proud of it but some things are just so grossly upside down in your doctrines. Don't worship humans. Worship God. Don't make him a god he can never be ...

Quote the bible verse that says a man who provided semen for a medical test sinned.

You want her to accept that there are alot of wrong things done in her church because you, the paragon of what is right does not agree with it. Hahaha. Who are you and what are your standards? If you can not justify them by scripture, they are thrash: null and void.

You say go and preach about marriage? LOL. Did God send you to preach about marriages? That is why you are so confused. So how come preachers preach about sinlessness and still end up praying to God to forgive them of their sins?

Why are they preaching sinlessness when they still sin? That is what is grossly upside down in the rubbish you believe in and try to pass off as sound doctrine.

Then that final lie about anyone worshipping anybody else but God...I am sure it gave you pleasure to hear the OP spew off that interesting lie. You tell lies about someone, they correct you, then you say they are worshipping him or treating him as God.

Hahahaha..hyper confusion.

judeodion:
I wish nairaland is a faced forum. That way we can know who we're replying. Please, can you masturbation while worshipping, or thinking of message preached in your Church today(if a spiritual message was preached)? Semen won't come out! You need to lust to gain erection (except you're married and need to be with your wife), you can get erection by watching porn( I won't be surprised if you say watching porn in itself is not bad-Christianity is taking a different shape). Maybe you are free to masturbation because the Bible didn't mention 'masturbation' but it's sexual sin, lust. Don't think you're too wise and sophisticated for God because you know little Greek meaning of some terms used in scripture. You need to be truly saved. If you feel masturbation is not a sin, then, I wonder what else you say is not Sin(then lie, cheating, quarrel, stealing, etc). Even people who are not Christians(muslims, juju worshippers) know. Even the devil knows. May you receive an encounter with God that will lead to your salvation.

That is why you will never experience God's power; Because you have supplanted his idea for yours. Someone can lust even while listening to Godly message because lusting is a spirit and Jesus told us it was a sin. The Godly message is not the sin, the woman you saw is not the sin. The lust you conspired in your heart is.

Instead of tossing alphabets around trying to sound scholarly, tell me how providing semen for a medical test is a sin. You can't equate masturbation to lust because one must not be as a consequence of the other.

Thank God you say Muslims and Juju worshippers agree with you. That is all the proof I needed to know, like them, you believe in your own ideas and not God's.

prof22:
I don't know who to preach about marriage in ur church at the moment. You can't give what you don't have. Marriage is all about you and your spouse and God. Triangle. God is d only one permitted in that Union not a pastor. Its not about OP fooling anyone, I chose not to be an hypocrite and that's where d problem is. Say the truth if it hurts. The sheeps should crave for the life of the Shepherd. Can you crave for the life of yours at the moment?. I know you are smart and can decode everything here. We should say the truth. Don't edit it no matter how personal it looks. We Christians are the problems of revival. How good are you to your neighbours ? Can your ways of life bring someone to Christ? Its not about wealth, you can Be rich but your ways of life is not rich Read your Bible. Your church match make. I am experiencing the same. The last time God matched maked he was blamed (Adam & Eve...it is the woman you created for me ...) I know of a pastor in ur church in Lagos that's not married...and he's over 40. No experience about a home so he cannot morally say anything let alone counselling anyone...This is about physical experience not spiritual experience. You can't give what you don't have. Books cannot give u physical experience. It takes scars to show you were an accident victim at times ....
. I don't want to mention names but there are pastors of questionable characters that should not come out to say a thing at the moment. Don't be too spiritual to forget the physical we live in our physical body otherwise you could disappear, pick up ur phone without cards and make calls. Your church claims to know the WORD better please live by examples. The man that was sacked may not be because of the the calling. It may be it may be not, so many things are happening in the church and it is because we now look too much to our pastors. We don't need any intermediary to serve God. God will judge your belief in him not in your pastor. A lot will end up in hell because of just this reason.
#GetCloserToGod
#ReadYourBible

It is not hard to quote a post. It is a basic functionality of NL. I would think if I wanted to call myself a Prof, perhaps I would act like one sometimes.

I am guessing the Pope has no advice to give married couples seeing that he has no experience. Same goes for Paul and then Jesus. I told you, some people, through ITK have put themselves in trouble. They talk like they believe in God but when their utterances are filtered by God's word they come up short.

So what did Jesus mean when he said the Holy Spirit would teach us all things even things that are to come? Those things don't involve marriages?

I don't know where you worship but I can tell you are not well schooled in things of the spirit. When you are your own God, ofcourse, you can put your personal plans ahead of him and do what you please. But when Jesus becomes the lord of your life, you surrender all your plans to him and let him tell you what to do.

In that zone, you would know that your service to him comes first and foremost before any spouse. Perhaps, if Adam had known this, he would have obeyed God and not listened to Eve who was not there when God gave instructions to him.

So since you claim you can code things you may understand the parable I said right above and then you would understand why Pastor Chris' ministry is not like the man-made conventions you see around you. He told you people he is a Man of God, not a preacher. There is a big difference between the 2. While a preacher can afford to be his own master and boss, for a MOG, he has only one mindset: to follow the leading of the one who sent him. Let me not say more.

Marriage guidance is not available to all church members. It is only available to those who are committed and submitted to the leadership of their Pastor. Those who don't want it can change church like the OP. The Pastor is responsible for the well-being of those submitted under him including their marriages.

I saw you say things about the spiritual and I laughed hard. When you grow up you would know that life is TOTALLY dominated by the spiritual. Only fools think otherwise. Jacob ran away with nothing but the blessings Isaac gave to him yet Esau who stayed back with the father's earthly possessions ended up broke when compared to Jacob.

So that physical life you think you are not neglecting, you actually are, if your spiritual life is not setting the tone. It is not about knowing the word better but we are word practitioners to the point that your spirit would find no resting place in our midst if you do not have the same initiation.

That is where someone like the OP found himself and guess what? You are taking his side, not knowing he had been lost for years on in and has been looking for an opportunity to try to spiritualize his confusion and unbelief.

You say the man in my story may have been sacked not because of the calling he turned down so I hope you can make the same argument and say Ananias and Sapphira did not die because they lied to Peter. But I guess Pastors are not necessary and more people would not go to hell for breaking the rules of administration that God himself set in Hebrews 13:17.

prof22:
They are in my church but I don't think a church should have more of these questionable characters. We are all humans no one is perfect but there are lots of wrongs in ur church at the moment. From pastors stopping peoples wedding because they want to match make to pastors who decided not to be married but can stop sisters from getting married because the guy is not from ur church and sisters living in single pastors house and lots more. and what's up with the "wanking" ain't a sin too... Come on the understanding of the bible is according to how holy spirit leads. Read ur bible too. I can't come n tell you D's is how it is and u accept. We can see 9 from different sides ..maybe

Pastors don't matchmake, but they can annul engagements under certain scriptural precepts. Don't let worldly people like the OP fool you.

The Pastors do it under the unction so don't take their office for granted. They are Shepherds for a reason especially if you are submitted under their authority.

You could meet your Pastor and talk to him about who you want to marry, and by the leading of the spirit he could see things going south for you and warn you. Why would anyone who understands spiritual authority come here to disparage the workings of the spirit? Is that person talking for God? You be the judge.

Many years back Pastor Chris told a certain man God wanted him to be a Pastor. The man accepted it but later changed his mind after consulting his family members.

One year later, the man, who was at the time an MD of a bank, was unceremoniously fired and banned for life by the then CBN governor.

You can have whatever theories in your head as to why that happened. One thing is for sure, we cannot deny that God saw it coming and perhaps in his infinite wisdom knew the way that attack by the devil could have been forestalled but the man did not yield.

Many people's financial, spiritual and Physical lives have ended for marrying the wrong people. As for the rest of your post, I have addressed them before.

zionmade:
OP ur write up could have been nice without adding information u don't know.
1st Christ Embassy was founded by Pst Chris alone and not with Pst Anita. Pst Anita was a Choir member in the Church before Pst Chris found her.
2nd. Christ embassy was not founded in 1990, it only translated from being a fellowship to being a church then
3rd. Pst Anita never for once in her life mentioned that pastor Chris cheated on her, So I Don't know if she confided in u
Lastly We still pray they reconcile, we still miss her, whenever I pick the rhapsody I miss her pictures, whenever I attend IPPC or any international BLW program, I miss her introduction by her husband, whenever I see her daughter minister I see the mother on her face.

U have no right to tell us the members how we feel, just as we owe the public no responsibility of telling them how we feel.
WHY DONT U RATHER STICK TO THE ISSUES IN UR CHURCH? or are there no issues to address there?

I couldn't have said it any better.

Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Acts 2:29‭-‬30 KJV

David was a Prophet.

Eaugusta:
You probably didn't get the message, focus more on being a Christian than being religious

Practice what you preach.