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shadeyinka:
I watched the video.

He said actually that "there is no such thing as spiritual husband or wife". But later, he acknowledged it as a " spiritual reality " of some people who either through ignorance, immaturity or inheritance are under demonic oppression.

Because there is no such thing as it. A demon will say anything just to make himself look powerful.

One demon can be inside someone and the demon will say we are a thousand or I am the Prince of Persia. Funny things like that.

TolaTosin:
from my experience with pastor Chris messages, he speaks from a place of higher authority and tries to help Christian live from a higher realms.

That's why childish Christians will never understand him

This is my stance too.

TolaTosin:
Watch the video again, I wish we had the video from the beginning, I think op just quoted the part he didn't understand.

Towards the end, he said, as a Christian if u have such experiences cast it out, its demonic oppression.

Op's title messed the message

A lot of people respond to posts without evening listening to the audio or watching the videos. If you watched the other videos Donnie posted especially the first one, you would see him cast out those demons.

The issue is, people elevate their experiences more over the word of God. Do you realize that some pastors have dedicated their ministries to teachings on spiritual husband and wife?

CorperShop:
It is good for us to know that the vision that Peter had did not come through dreams, but through a spiritual medium of communication called trance. There is a clear wall of differences between these two spiritual experiences. (Num.24:4-6; Acts10:10).The interpretation of this spiritual phenomenon was a message about the inclusion of the Gentiles in the plan of redemption. God was using this message to kill the discrimination mindset in the heart of Peter against non-Jewish nations( Acts11:5-12). It is therefore not a dream neither does it have anything to do with Satan. However, God can use dreams as channels of communication if He pleases to do so.(Gen.20:3; 31:11; Matt.2; Acts2:17-21)

For instance, if we could recognize that Adam lost dominion through the eating of a forbidden fruit, which is food, it is suffice to say that Satan still uses the same tactics today to rob people of their glorious destinies in Christ. (Gen.3:1-3).
Shalom.

Adding to what Paxonel has already said, dreams and trances are the same. Besides, the bone of contention is not whether God or the devil uses them as means to communicate but whether eating in dreams is of a spiritual negative consequence and the answer is no.

Second, Adam did not fall to satan because he ate food. That food after all was put there by God not satan. Adam fell because he disobeyed God and obeyed the devil. The bible says "you are a servant to the one you obey" and this is a spiritual law. So it had nothing to do with food. That is the same reason Jesus refused to turn stone to bread to eat when hungry. He later multiplied bread and ate while he fed people. Jesus only refused the request because it came from the devil.

I know you mean well through this post but you would only pass fear to yourself and other christians who are babes. And it is in an environment of fear that Satan thrives. Stay blessed.

There in lies the danger of teaching experiences over God's word. Let me share a story.

A guy I know few years back took ill. He kept treating himself for Malaria off and on but the disease kept going and coming back. Then they theorized that it was a spiritual attack because he had beat a boy who stole from him a short while before he started falling sick. I say "they" because the people who did so are the same type that are typing gibberish here.

Anyways, they maintained that the boy was the source of the ailment. The sick guy went to different deliverance ministers. Still nothing. Then he went to a lab and he was tested...HIV positive. At this point, it was even more like full blown AIDS. Read healing from Heaven, No. They were giving him goya oil to drink. The sick guy dreamt that he saw the small boy rubbing faeces on him while he slept. Deliverance pastors insisted it confirmed their "word of knowledge". They kept praying for the small boy to stop it. The small boy in question was a younger brother of the sick guy o and the "malaria" was going off and on for 2 years.

Sick guy died. My joy is, he gave his heart to the lord before he passed but it was a few years after he died that we heard he was bisexual.

Spiritually mature christians will see the trail of events and see how they let satan gain his way through these false interpretations of dreams and elevations of experiences over God's word. God has delivered his people.

shadeyinka:
There are several points you just focused only on one.

I copied the whole variants of dictionary meaning not just the one suited for my argument.

Except if what you are implying is that we throw away eleven shades of meanings because one seems bendable by you.

Thank God this isn't scriptures but English language

To find the meaning of a word, you don't lump all the variants as one meaning. Each of them is treated INDIVIDUALLY.

see Table for example:

ta·ble
ˈtābəl/Submit

1.
a piece of furniture with a flat top and one or more legs, providing a level surface on which objects may be placed, and that can be used for such purposes as eating, writing, working, or playing games.
synonyms:stand, dining table, kitchen table, coffee table; More
2.
a set of facts or figures systematically displayed, especially in columns.
"the population has grown, as shown in table 1"
synonyms:chart, diagram, figure, graph, plan; More
3.
a flat surface, in particular.

4.
US
postpone consideration of.
"I'd like the issue to be tabled for the next few months"
synonyms:postpone, delay, defer, sideline, put on the back burner
"the council tabled the rezoning issue until April"
5.
BRITISH
present formally for discussion or consideration at a meeting.
"an MP tabled an amendment to the bill"

I am not allowed to argue that point 5 has lesser meaning than point 1 for instance. They mean different things.

Be humble.

shadeyinka:
Keyword:
dominated

Even then, the examples is about ideas, knowledge etc

But check others out of 12 synonyms,vyou pick one and you are rejoicing. 11 nails it as you have rightly pointed it out.my last post nailed it.

Possession is not the same as demonization

This is laughable.

You are showing that pride is guiding you not the will to learn. The link is your own. The word dominated is not a key word at all. It was used as a variant or synonym for influenced there. The "or" shows it.

Secondly, the examples said ETC which means and so on. Why? because the word being discussed is "possessed". So we can say to be possessed by an idea is to be dominated or influenced by it. To be "possessed" by demons is to be dominated or possessed by demons. Which is the same definition for demonize.

How did we come to this? I said possessed and demonized were the same and you disagreed but your own link has proven you wrong.

It is your own post that nailed you.

Take the correction and be humble.

shadeyinka:
Number 11

This is a correct definition of Possession :
Ownership...
Master...
Property...

You are wrong!

Demonization is being under the influence of demons
Possession is ownership, master, property of demons

Check it up

Read number 10. I meant to type 10. Like I said be humble.

10. to cause to be dominated or influenced, as by an idea, feeling, etc.

shadeyinka:
I think you are taking an extreme position not based on reality.
1. Does some of our dreams contain spiritual information's?
2. Do mature Christians sometimes have terrible dreams?
3. Could those terrible dreams be from God?

Do mature christians have minds? If yes, then their subconscious could create "terrible" dreams. It must not be from God or the devil.
Where in scripture did God give his kids terrible dreams? I am not so sure you understand God, dreams or terrible at all. So maybe you should explain what you mean.

When a married matured Christian (Pastor) dreams that he is having sex with a choir member,
a. Should he discard the dream as trash?
b. Could such dreams be from God?
c. Could such dreams be from Satan?
d. If the dream is from Satan, what should he do?
e. Is it impossible for a Pastor to have such dreams?

No, the dream is from the mature christian's mind. Jesus said let no one who lusts attribute it to the devil (paraphrasing). The dream Did not come from God and satan does not have access to a christian's mind. He can only suggest things externally like if pushes a lady to try to seduce the man. But if the man had dreams of such, it did not come from satan or God - it came from the man's flesh. Scriptures are replete with proofs that satan cannot get to a mind that is beyond his jurisdiction. if he could, he would have known exactly where baby Jesus was. See, he tried to use Herod and probability to get Jesus. It was God who used a dream to warn the wise men against danger. That is what God does.

[s]If your point is that it is impossible for one to see what Satan is doing through ones dreams, then, it is impossible for us to reconcile.[/s]

First off, Eve had no authority. She was not there when God even gave the instructions. Adam is the one who lost his authority because by OBEYING the devil he relinquished his authority to him. If Adam had simply disobeyed God without satan's promptings he would have "died" but satan would have not gotten the authority. Adam needed to obey satan for satan to get Adam's authority.

Jesus could have turned stone to bread if he wanted to. That was not the issue. The issue was doing it at satan's prompting which he resisted.

shadeyinka:
How did Adam and Eve loose their authority?
It was simply by yielding to Satan's promptings and temptations.

That is the didn't overcome Satan's wiles. How simple can understanding this be. Adam and Eve failed.

I see that you still mix up the distinction of demonization with possession. To that, only your dictionary can help you.



Subject to the influence of demons is NOT equivalent to Possession.

Possessed from the word possess





So you see, you have been wrong in the use of these two words.

Your own very link defeats you. Read number 10*. Be humble.

shadeyinka:
Peter was demonized!

You can use an exclamation from now till eternity, you are still preaching patent falsities.

I asked you, when Jesus told same Peter that God had spoken through him, was he also demonised there? Truth is parallel. If yours has failed in another similar setting, it is false.

Look at my context above.

My point was that Satan could try to influence Jesus. But Jesus couldn't be influenced (tempted)

Jesus could be tempted. If he could not, then satan's temptation of him was simulated and God is a liar. Jesus simply did not succumb to the temptation.

Not succumbing to temptation is not overcoming satan. Overcoming satan was taking satan's authority from him over men and mankind.

You are the one mixing it up here.
There was never a time when Jesus did not overcome Satan's will, wiles and temptations.

Did I say otherwise?

You will agree with me that Jesus was temptated by Satan.
Who won? Satan!?
No
It was Jesus, he overcame.

That is the point I am getting across: Who did Jesus overcome? Nobody at this point. Did satan stop having his authority over man after this exchange? no. When did satan lose that authority?

The victory on the cross wasn't because of Jesus. It was because of Man. Whether Jesus died or not He is the Creator, the Head of every principality or power. It wasn't when Jesus died that he became this: He had always been.

Another false teaching. If he already had it, then why did God the father give it to him as referred to in Phil 2:10?

I don't know where you got this!

What did Peter say that Jesus responded to?

I see that you have mixed up some definitions:
To be possessed is just a tiny aspect of demonization.

Thrash.

To be demonized means to be under the influence of demons. It could be transient or persistent.

I agree, depending on what you mean.

Whenever Satan succeeds in influencing me through anything, I have been demonized.

Thrash. So when Paul went to Jerusalem that Agabus and other prophets warned him against, he was demonised?

It is impossible for a Christian (born again) to be possessed . However, a Christian can be demonized.

Bolded is true, the other part is a lie. To be demonised is to be POSSESSED by demons.

I hope you get the difference.

If Satan succeeded in making me list after a lady, I have been demonized. I may not be possessed.

Thrash. The flesh (which the bible correctly refers to as SINFUL flesh) will lust even without satanic influence. That is why we would drop this flesh to enter heaven and still be given a new flesh when Jesus comes. Not every sin is under satan's devices. Every man with a flesh has the same aching to sin. That is why we are to subject the flesh to the spirit .

Only the unregenerated can be possess.

Yes, I agree.

Semantics.
I know the difference between, Power and Authority but you also know that they could be used as synonyms.

Uninspired scholars can, but for such word-based discussions we must flesh it out.

Theory not backed by experience is what I see here. If you have casted out one demon from anyone, I will know that you know what you are saying but if not, you are talking theory.

That is because you don't know who you are talking to. It is because of experiences that we have the mormon church. Someone said Jesus appeared to him and told him him and satan are working together. Did he not see it? Did he not hear voices? Why would you (if you do of course) disagree with him?

After all, casting out demons are the Children's (of the kingdom) bread. Pastor Chris does cast out demons, how about you?(Of course it isn't a mark of spirituality that's why its children's bread)

Again, you know not who you speaketh to.

Children of God do fall into temptation and are not perfect. Was Peter lead by the Holy Spirit who lives in him to distancing himself from the gentiles?

Gal 2:11
No Return to the LawNow when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed;

If Peter wasn't led by the Holy Spirit, who led Peter?

His flesh. His fear for his jewish brethren and their laws.

Could he be under an influence ?

Of Satan? foul! Your body has it's own yearnings having been created in sin (by sinful men). Paul tells us by the spirit, that the flesh yearns to satisfy it's own cravings but the recreated human spirit desires another. To subject the flesh, we are to yield to the spirit. If a christian man yields to his flesh he will do wrong. Satan is excluded.

shadeyinka:
How does God normally speak to His children? Through their spirit!?

Can you also answer this question:
How does Satan speak/tempt people?

My sheep know My voice was what Jesus said. A strangers voice they will not follow.

Could it not be that both God and Satan can use the same communication channel.

Its obvious God seldom speaks to you in dreams does He? Is every dream from God?

If you can discern God voice to you in dreams surely, you will know when an information cannot be from God.

Moreover, Satan's main trick is to try and counterfeit Gods way to men

I can repost your question and ask you: Is every food in the dream from God?
Yes/No!

Can God force-feed a person feaces in the dream?

If this happens in the dream, who is responsible? God!?

First, are we discussing dreams or eating in dreams? I never told you satan does not talk to HIS kids through dreams. If he even feeds them through it, that is his business. Does satan feed God's kids in their dreams? NO.

If he does, what will be his aim? When he feeds his kids what does he aim to achieve - since you know so much about him.

Second, God could speak to his kids any which way he pleases. He could use dreams as scripture is replete with. Same way not all dreams are from him, some are simply from the sub-conscious of a man that creates events based on experiences, fears and expectations and mean diddly squat.

We have authority to "cream our dreams". If I dream that a grade I expected was not what I got - it does not mean the dream came from the devil or God. It does not even matter. I can simply say "satan, that F was for you. I am an A student and I get only As, and that is exactly what such a one will see".

double0seven:
God did not feed Peter in his dream. Peter wasn't even sleeping. He was in trance on the roof top.

And details of how demonic witchcraft spirit operate are not given in the Bible

Okay.

shadeyinka:
You couldn't have said it better.

Christians seem to forget that the era of God speaking to His children through dreams are NOT over.
Moreover,
Satan can also use that same communication Chanel to speak his negative desire to us.

I wish ministries will spend time on teaching "how a spirit filled Christian can interprete visions and dreams" as well as when God speaks to our spirit.

One key thing a Christian must learn is that in the spirit, NOTHING is free! Even our salvation was paid for by Christ Jesus.

When you receive "an unholy gift" from Satan (sex, food, etc), it is for an exchange of something valuable in ones life.

Shalom

If peter did not know the voice of God he would have woken up from his trance and said that satan tried to feed him unclean things. That is the danger of teaching your experiences over God's word. Satan has no original ideas, if he could give people food through their dreams, he would be copying God because that is all Satan tries to do -copy and then pervert God's message.

Question: If god can feed his children through dreams and satan does too how can we tell who is who? That is the danger with these heresies. There is nowhere in scripture where Satan fed anyone. I would rather take the testimony of the word.

shadeyinka:
You seem only to have a point with your first point.. Perhaps Peter wasn't yet born again.
Unfortunately what you have just concluded a number of things
1. The Presence of Jesus with the disciples didn't stop them from being demonized(eh Peter, Judas)

I see where your problem is. There is a possession by demons and an oppression by demons. They are not the same. Peter was not demonised. Peter expressed a thought that was a lie and Jesus called the actual author and father of such lies out - the Devil.

2. If Jesus is one with the Holy Spirit, how come Satan was able to "take" Jesus to the Tip of the Temple etc.. Of course Jesus overcame Satan by not giving in to Satan but the will of God through His words.

Actually, it was the Holy Spirit himself that led Jesus to be tempted not satan. Jesus came as the 2nd Adam and of necessity had to be subjected to the same type of temptation that the first Adam was subjected to. To prove he was a worthy sacrifice. Your theology is jammed up again here.

This brings number of issues
a. Did Jesus overcome Satan because He had the Holy Spirit or because he didn't yield to satans will?

Not succumbing to satan's advances was not Jesus overcoming him. Jesus was proving the first level of his obedience to the father. He overcame satan about 3.5 years later.

b. In what way was Peter different (apart from the fact that he yielded to satans promptings)?

"My sheep hear my voice, the voice of a stranger they will not yield to"- Jesus. Peter was not being tested as a worthy sacrifice. He thought that proclaiming that Jesus would not die was a good thing but Jesus knew exactly who was producing such promptings and it was not the Holy Spirit (who himself sent Jesus to die)

c. Of course Peter was not "possessed with Satan but he was only demonized

To be possessed is to be demonised. It means a demon or more is resident in you and has control over your body. If Peter were demonised then why was he praised by Jesus that the words he spoke were revealed by God himself? You see your theology is jammy again.

In other words, Peter was demonized not because he wasn't born again except of course if your final conclusion is the a christian (born again, tongue talking) cannot fall into temptation and thus commit a transgression.

One can yield to the flesh without being demonised and that is what happens when born-again christians fall to temptation. Satan can put pressure (externally) on a christian student, causing him to cheat. Or use persecution to cause a christian to hide his faith. It does not mean said Christian was possessed by a demon. How will the demon and the holy spirit coexist in the person? Who is greater?

Your second point is also non effectual!
First, Jesus gave His disciples Power power over all kinds of demons and sickness. That episode where they couldn't cast out demons from a boy wasnt their first time. Intact, they were surprised that they couldn't cast it out.

No, he did not give them power but authority (delegated power) and they are not the same. Delegated power means their authority over whatever they were delegated to do was dependent on the power of the one who sent them and Jesus did not have all authority at that point. When he died and resurrected, that is when he got ALL the authority, and afterwards, we never see them cast out demons that refused to come out. In fact, they began healing people without even praying at all. See why I said TIMING again?

Yes, Jesus did not pray, neither did he fast that means that the lesson Jesus was teaching was not about a "Fire-Brigade" approach.

Jesus was teaching about a "Life soaked in the Presence of God" through Communion (prayer) and[b] Devotion[/b](fasting).

I agree with your reasoning here but if I want to be pedantic, I would tell you that Jews prayed and fasted regularly as was their custom. Yet, same disciples came to beg Jesus to teach them how to pray. Why? because his own life seemed to show a difference through his prayers. Did we notice much change in them even after he taught them how to pray? Not really: Peter still denied Jesus due to fear. But how was their life after Jesus died and resurrected? Same Peter counted it a thing of honour to be persecuted for the name of Jesus.

I submit it to you today that Peter did that because he had received something later, which he did not have when he denied Jesus - The Holy Spirit dwelling IN him. Not leading him externally.

shadeyinka:
Could it be that you are also looking at this issue from an extreme angle?

Why did Jesus say to Peter

"Get thee behind Me Satan....! "

How come there are the "this kind.. " of demons that wouldn't go except by prayers. (Not the word!) The direct words of Jesus

Timing is key in everything. At the point Jesus said that to Peter, He was not saved as Jesus had not gone to the cross.

The same answer goes for the 2nd question; timing. When he casted out said demons when did we see him pray and fast before commanding them?

Intrepid01:
Wow!.....Men of God indeed....how can you be in the work of God and hate fasting and prayer, like seriously?

So where is the needed power going to come from, slaying?

You lot are funny but it is allowed. If you know the person you are talking about, you would get his messages and give them to your pastor. The revelations from him don’t seem ordinary. He talks like one who hears directly from God.

You say he hates Fasting and Prayer but you lied. Only last month for most of the month of February We were praying and fasting. We also do it every first Sunday of a new month.

Since I am in the mood, let me also correct some of your false teachings. We are not told anywhere to fast and pray. All over the Bible, the apostles of Jesus always PRAYED and fasted.

Do you see the order? It is the praying that you would be doing that would cause you to fast. Any other order na just pure hunger strike.

The second false teaching; that we fast to make power available. That is a false teaching. Power for service already came when Jesus gave us the “great commission”. What prayer and fasting does is it sets you attune to the leading of God. It raises your spiritual atenna if you please.

If you see people getting things done more when they pray and fast it is for that very fact not that power was missing. That is why the Holy Spirit told them to separate Paul and Barnabas at some point, yet just earlier they had selected Matthias (who may have not been Gods choice).

donnie:


See how confused they are. Pastor Chris is spoiling market for them... With all the prayer books, oils, water, wrist bands, candles, stickers etc they have used to promote their deliverance teaching.

Light has come now. If you cannot counter using scriptures, why not just keep mute?

LOL

I could tell already. I was watching him since the thread began but waited to see if someone else will help deliver him.

double0seven:
Counter what claim, you mean the scriptures he misinterpreted and misapplied

State where exactly.

For one, it's been shown on this very thread that Peter never ate in any dream neither did God feed in the dream.

In fact it wasn't a dream. It was a trance.

Laughable. Paul could not tell between reality and a vision because they are all forms of a trance even according to english. God asked Peter to eat in that dream and refused saying the creatures he saw where unlawful to be eaten.

Of course, like a a true Christ embassy member, your brain conveniently ignored all that and you asking people to counter with scriptures.

According to the context of scriptures that Pastor Chris used, they are misapplied and not relevant to this topic

You would have to tell us if you are christian first and foremost for the bolded.

Eating in the dream is weapon of darkness, used by household witchcraft to sow many evil things in the lives of people, even Christians.

It's used to weaken your spirit man and open u up for future witchcraft manipulation.

Relevant scriptures backing this.

It's is used to sow or shoot arrows of a pattern of failure at Edge of success in human endeavours. It's what Yorubas call Amubo.

It's used to afflict people with sickness and diseases.

Exactly why Jesus said you err because you don't know the scriptures: elevating doctrines of tradition and devils over God's word.

It's for spiritual contamination.

I repeat, it's not normal to be eating in the dream. Like 95% of the time, it's spiritual attack and it's for evil.

Caveat to leave room to make your false teaching foolproof.

No one is saying Christians should be fearful after having such a dream. You pray against it in the name of Jesus until it stops.

If I dream that I got $1b should I also pray against it till it stops? I mean, the love of money is the root of all evil.

Real spiritual battles is not something that comes into your life after you are matured. People are born with this battles (Ogun). But it's when u reach age of maturity, of trying to find your way in life that you start noticing something is wrong. These things enter into people lives by things people that know when they are little have done. Through all sorts of evils of the past.

Same babalawoic baloney!

Christ embassy believe once u become born again, all those things are in the past, you are new person.

Quote scriptures negating this.

Another misinterpretation of scriptures. When Bible says you are old man is dead, that all things become new. It's talking about the renewal of mind. You live a new kind of life.

Facepalm

Enough said.

Nothing said actually.

Please you continue to live in your willful ignorance. Your paradise of bliss.

A man in bondage cannot set others free. Free yourself first: You are yet saved.

Orji Uzor Kalu is a friend of Pastor Chris. That is why he attended it.

Orji Uzor Kalu will also be at the wedding of Pastor Chris' daughter.

jeff1607:
if u got nothing to say carry ur matter enter sea


what do you say about the Yoruba lady who sang gospel songs but later found out her mentor isn't what she thought he was.


want to ask, let's say a pastor says something will not happen on a particular day and it happens, would you still follow him?

Whether her mentor is what she thought he was is immaterial. Jesus said when the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat and give instructions according to the law, obey it but don't copy their own personal lifestyle.

If her mentor taught her things that helped her write beautiful songs, then he did it for her and anybody who sings those songs are unwittingly endorsing the message of her mentor. Stop asking questions that you do not even understand.

As for your other question, let me ask; when Jesus said about Lazarus "this sickness is not unto death" did Jesus misprophesy? Were his disciples supposed to abandon him after that? Yea, that is your answer.

And if you asked that question because of TB Joshua, I can mention other prophecies from those PFN guys none of which came to pass. Instead of comparing and asking divisive questions - just humble yourself wherever you serve and grow.

Yale is not for everybody; some people will be satisfied in LAUTECH, others in UNILAG but there are some that must experience Harvard and Yale.

Let those in LAUTECH not deride and envy those in Harvard. And let those in Harvard not look down or mock those in LAUTECH. God has accepted them both.

Make of this what you will.

jeff1607:
ogbeni when I first started my post, did I use any offensive word?

Sinach and oyakhilome na the same thing?


concerning academics, I said some not all, haba


in all Christian denominations there would be people who carry matter for head but with what I personally experienced it was more in BLW

next time you read slowly and comprehend , did I make mention of the MUSICIANS from BLW?

when adeboye and Co invite pastors for their programmes do u see Chris n his cohorts? same with Chris when he invites other men of God


I'm entitled to my opinion, it's a free world, if u don't like what I wrote there are others ways of driving ur point, it's either to u take, like, support my opinion or you hate it. I can't force mine on you


u are asking me why they don't associate with others? how would I know what's in their hearts?

I believe there must be something holding them back n it's not only pastors from the same ministry they associate with, others outside their ministry make guest appearances at each other's church programme.

LOL, if you have nothing to say then you should just carry your olofofo somewhere else.

Anybody who accepts my child and rejects me does not know their left from their right. That is why Jesus felt the Jews/Pharisees were absurd. They claimed to love God and the law but when the one whom the law was describing came, they rather crucified him.

In the same vein, to accept Sinach's song is to accept Pastor Chris. She is only singing what she learnt from him. That is why Zionmade mentioned that aspect to you, but in your bid to talk before thinking, you missed the point.

Imagine a Harvard professor angry that a Polytechnic in Borno did not invite him to teach there? Abeg tell me, who needs whose help?

I have listened to some of those PFN guys and even on here I have said it; they make me laugh but at the same time I celebrate God for the victories. When I hear them talk about our right standing in God; talking in tongues regularly and the powers from it; oil and mantle and use of doves to represent the Holy Spirit etc. I remember what some of those same preachers said about that message 15 years ago. Today, they are preaching it on their pulpits and even using the same examples Pastor Chris used in those days when teaching same things. Which goes to show that some of them listen to his messages in secret.

Pastor only cares about associations of the godkind. Who you associate with here means nothing to God if his word is not being recognized and honored. It is not a political gathering. When you say "something is holding them back" also say "something is holding him back" from fraternizing with them. He has never asked for anybody's endorsement because he has never needed it.

Even Pastor Benny Hinn that is his close friend these days would not have met Pastor if he did not ask Sinach to take him to meet her Pastor. Meanwhile, some of those your Nigerian Pastors were famzing Benny Hinn to score cheap political points.

Shally2:
you are the one lying. You no nothing that transpired. You claim the children didn't stand by their mum. Yes because they were lied to by the terrible liar himself. She shielded them away from what she went through and pretended just to save his face believing that all will be fine. So where are they today? Are they still against their mum? I think they now know better now.

You have serious comprehension issues. Fix it first. When you are done, engage me, so I can put you in your place.

Deal?

donnie:
Na amebo dey worry you... only twelve years?

Why was it more convenient for you to say it was Pastor Chris that was bitter against his wife and not the other way round, especially when there are glaring facts... from the wife's demands and conditions to her application and insistence on getting a divorce?

Please don't come with more pretence... we've had enough. Thanks.

We know how demons work; who else is under attack but the MOG? So it fits the narrative perfectly for him to be at fault. If satan strikes the Shepherd, he can scatter the sheep. Jesus said so.

See MOG that every softsell mag and bloggers claimed had Jet since, are the same people now who turned around to say he used Music ministry to covertly buy himself a Jet.

Same people said he is worth $50M then turned around to say he bought Jet $34M. LOL. Which person uses more than half his networth to buy a Jet that he would need $4M per year (according to them) to maintain it.

All because Satan wants to attack. What a dumb devil.

And nobody on NL is seeing the glaring contradiction. Even the supposed owners that are supposed to be braniacs are not spared from this folly.

I888:
This is the problem with many of you Christians... Why curse, why wish evil on someone?after everything said and done, claiming to be Christ like from Christ embassy, you ended up using words even Christ Jesus wouldn't use. It goes to show that doctrines being preached today are false.

Go siddon. Na ur head that curse go fall put. State your opinion and get the forks out of here.

God bless you.

judedwriter:
Go goggle it, you will see it.
However, i felt he spoke of masturbation as not biblical, which is why he called it unsinful.

Masturbation is not sin is not the same as there is nothing wrong with masturbation.

He did not leave his wife - she left him.

RuddyFusion:
My point is not about his temptations..becuase no one is above it but the fact that he left his wife and he's trying to justify it....A man of God for that matter.... so if he meets God today he will start realing out excuses why he left his wife or [s]why he bn sleeping with his Church members[/s]?

Prove this.

judedwriter:
Hmmm... so very sad....this is the same pastor who said nothing is wrong with masturbation. I have read of pastors who were so very successful in ministry they began to tolerate false doctrine until they fell completely away from God. I hope my dear pastor chris doesn't follow suit, becos his ministry has really inspired me over the years he's has been coming up.

Prove this.

Normally, I would not post on such matters because it really does not concern me but I feel compelled to address certain things.

The truth of the matter is your story is laced with half-truths which anyone who is truly seeking the facts can deduce. I have listened to the excerpts of both meetings the OP talked about and nowhere did he insult or denigrate his wife.

I heard him say on several occasions "me and my wife are one - there is no her and me". I also heard him express his faith for his marriage - a faith, those of us who know him know he is still expressing till date.

I also heard him talk about CEC members but not in connection to what you said or how you said it. Being the VP of the ministry still does not absolve one of the respectful duties that is expected of a leader. You cannot give instructions to your MOG because he is your husband - especially when other MOG in the ministry where your leaders before you married him.

God will judge who is right or wrong in the whole issue but to the best of my knowledge Pastor Chris made every attempt to save his marriage. The only thing he said he would not do, is agree to anything that was contrary to the mandate God gave him (which Rev Anita) is very aware of.

In all of this, I looked out for his daughters because their opinions can truly tell what is going on. Especially since they grew up with their mother most of the time, one would have felt they would lean towards her. They did not.

I still pray for Pastor's marriage as we know this whole thing was conspired by the devil to wane him knowing how dear his family is to him. But Pastor would not be deterred; the mandate must be achieved.

There were storms shortly after she left, but the ship has never been more steady today and will only grow from strength to strength because this ministry is being sustained by God almighty.

As for the careless ones who have denied the faith they once professed, insulted the anointing, told barefaced lies and still do. I can only weep in intercession for them because I know their end and it is destruction.

I have seen these things happen so many times. God is using me to beg you to retract these empty vile words you are dispensing as it would cost you your life. If you are hardened by the demons that harden you, I feel for you. But if you are wise enough to harken and listen to that voice from on high that is talking to you now, you would repent and desist from this foolishness.

I rest my case.

I am convinced most NLders cannot read. They just jump when they feel a comment is scathing to MOG.

Who told OP that anyone purchased anything at USA? Who said when it was being purchased it was designated as a gift? So if Beyoncé was to gift herself a Jet she would pay the extra 30% to the IRS? I mean who comes up with such stu.pid write-ups?

So the musicians could not raise the money because you saw their tax fillings? The tax fillings FIRS showed you abi the musicians pay their tax with IRS? How do we tell people's networth in Nigeria? Forbes? Hahaha.

I thought they said Pastor Chris was worth $50M? Have you ever seen anyone who was planning to give out 2 times his networth and said he is almost there? Pastor Chris that is going to invest $100M of his own money into God's work world wide is the one that is worth $50M? The same person who has given $1M, 2M, 5M, 10M some of them not once or twice - is the person that is worth $50M?

If they cannot get his networth right so whose own will they get right? How many shows does Sinach do in 1 month? What are her investments? If she owns huge shares in a booming startup in the US who will know? Oh, because she is not uploading flashy pics like PSquare she is not rich? LOL.

If Pastor Chris needed a Jet, he would have bought one aeons ago. Per adventure he did not have the resources to do it, the church would have bought it for him tay tay.

It appears many don't know this MOG has never been a fan of private Jets that are owned and has said it more than once.

Stop wasting your breath educating these ignoramuses that would type rubbish in the name of forming activity that is clearly above their pay grade.

As if Pastor Chris has ever needed people's validations to do anything, that he would turn around now to start being covert in purchasing a Jet. Hahaha.

Jacksonville:
The "one church" you witnessed in warri is not the same compared to the one here.. Those men you see there are bigger than a 1million dollar seed. They are only taken aback by such a heart that gives in such magnitude..

By the way, it's a poor thought from you to align your one time "witness" with scenario like this, an international one for that matter..

Forget him. If he watched the full video, Pastor Chris is pledging to give $100M of his own money. This is away from all other givings he does in many other things.

Many don't know that he was a major contributor to the building of the ecumenical centre in Abuja. Or how many other pastors in other ministries he has bailed out with hundreds of thousands of dollars - sometimes millions.

I was in one of the services he talked about in the full video where he gave the church $2M to help complete their building. Bear in mind, this particular church is in the upscale part of Lagos with Bourgeois and noveau riche people as members.

One would think that he would have looked for how to collect their money rather than give to them instead.

These men of God (atleast my pastor and the people he associates with) are reckless givers. That is why God will always cause men to give to anything they lay their hands to do.

pek:
Actually, your reasoning and logic is too shallow. If you were a lawyer, you would be the worst ever. The story is lie to you simply because you want it to be a lie and not because it can't happen. Unless you are the pastor in question, there is no way you will conclude and say it can't and didn't happen. Since it's everywhere on social media, the pastor should come out and tell us it didn't happen and not you. Just because you want to preserve the little integrity of Christ embassy!

LOL. It is your own illogic that is fully being demonstrated here.

If an Ovie Okorodudu swindled people, he swindled them under the auspices of being a human being and not under CEC. CEC does not preach ponzi schemes. Even in the MMM euphoria the church I attend spoke against it. Rev. CHRIS spoke against it. So why would any bona fide member listen to any other dissenting voice?

If your pastor was doing it why not report him to the authorities of the church? No, you kept quiet then when you were scammed, you now want to bring the church into it. Forget these tales by moonlight abeg. The people who invested in it..together with the Pastor (if it is true) are all greedy and disobedient people.

That one no concern CEC.