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PROPHETmichael:
Maestro21

A woman called a daughter of Abraham was bound with a spirit of infirmity for eighteen years. "Ought not this woman,being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day?" (Luke 13:11-16).
That was a believer.

If you need help understanding a scripture simply ask. Stop acting like you know stuff but using style to learn. I despise it.

As far as God is concerned there are children of Abraham (according to the flesh also called Jews), children of the devil (the world) and the church (where there is no distinction between Jews and Gentiles).

When Jesus came, the bible says he came unto "his own". Who is the his own? The jews. They were the people who had the covenant of God being from Abraham's lineage. And God's covenant with Abraham included provision for healing. That is why Jesus said the woman (a descendant of Abraham) deserved to be healed.

When Jesus was alive, there was no christianity. There was only Jews and Gentiles (who did not partake of the covenant). Jesus had to die and resurrect to birth christianity. The bible says part of why he died and went to hell, was to take the authority satan had over mankind in general. That authority, made mankind subject or under Satan's bondage. Jesus came and took that authority back from the devil and gave it to the CHURCH. That is what started christianity.

A believer is anyone who believes in the death and resurrection of Jesus. So if Jesus had not died, nobody could be a believer or christian. That is the simple biblical fact. Anyone who now believes in the resurrected Jesus cannot be under satan's bondage again as christ has delivered us from him and it. That is what the NT is all about.

What is the import of this? The lady above was under satan's bondage because Satan at the time still had spiritual authority to inflict things on mankind if he could work on their fear of death. The bible says exactly this. But Jesus knew that even being a daughter of the Abrahamic covenant was enough to get her healed and he healed her on that premise. The bible says in the NT, that the covenant that established the church was built on better promises than the covenants that existed prior. For e.g, In the old covenants, we deserved healing but in the new one, we deserved not to get sick. We are now over and above the one who had the power of death and hell. We have now overcome. We are now delivered and translated from darkness to light. That is genuine deliverance that Jesus wrought for us. Any other teaching is false, fabricated and demonic. If you need scriptural backing, ask politely and I would lecture you.

[s]Also,

Paul reproves the Corinthian Christians for receiving another spirit than the Spirit they had previously received (II Cor. 11:4).

You remind me of this pastor am about to tell you about...Your Christ Embassy pastor to be precise.


There was a church conference in Lagos about 4 years ago, two ministers were scheduled to preach and one of them was more like a motivational speaker while the guest preacher was a prophet (deliverance pastor).

When the first preacher (motivational speaker) climbed the pulpit, he was saying stuffs like..."glory to God, glory to God, glory to God (That God sounded like Gaad), we are a new creation, glory to "Gaad"! witches are not real, they don't exist, glory to "Gaad"; you are more than witchcraft hallelujah hallelujah....The Greek work for power is Zoe, glory to God!!!.....and everyone was jumping and shouting preach pastor etc.

Well, he finished preaching.....here comes the 2nd preacher and the first thing he said was "somebody will die now" and the whole church went upside down, what a contrast? You can literally read their mind that they are saying where did they bring this bush man from? Anyway, the man told ushers to stand by the door because there are witches there and this is where it gets interesting because the first preacher, the "zoe" pastor got angry and walked out of the church to chill in his car till the "village pastor" round up.

Within a matter of second, the power of God hit the church and a woman began to bounce like a football, started confessing saying "beg my son, i am the one that locked the wife's womb...pls beg my son because i am the one that uses his wife's face to appear in his dream.." Now, the "zoe" pastor who went outside was hearing confessions from the loud speaker and he tiptoed into the church to see who was confessing and lo and behold, it was his mother.

When it was time for judgement prayer, the pastor told the congregation to command them to die and the zoe pastor faced his mother and said die, die die and the deliverance pastor told him no pastor, the greek word for die is ...(zoe pastor interrupted him and said no prophet, forget greek word, mama die, die, die[/s]).

With respect to Paul, don't worry. If I sit you down to show you what Paul preached about what you believe you will shed tears. Paul is not in your camp. It is Paul who wrote Col 1:13 for example. So leave him out of it. I build I don't destroy.

It is for the same reason I struck out this false story you have above. It is funny that you guys always resort to fairytales when you cant use scripture. The last thing anybody will describe a CEC Pastor with is motivational. You have already missed your road with that. They are the most worded teachers of the gospel worldwide and the evidence shows in their lives. If I talk about it, all the books in the world will not be enough.

Your story is actually pathetic because the person who conjured up the story does not even know what is taught in CEC. They might have as well used PMB and not a CEC pastor in the story and it will make sense. A busy CEC Pastor will leave what he is doing to discuss in a conference with babies and walk out angry when they don't agree with him? LOL. If you let any CEC Pastor preach before any pastor, the other Pastor will have nothing to say after because he would feel like he just started reading his bible from that point.

The funniest part of the whole story is that you were the one not too long ago quoting how we do not wrestle against "flesh and blood" only to turn around now in this false story to be shouting die die die..to a human being (flesh and blood). And even if you want to claim they were shouting die to the demonic forces working through the woman, demons do not die. So imagine demons listening to you yelling at them die die die. They will just be laughing at how ignorant that person is.

I have spent so much time entertaining myself with this post. Hahahahahahahahaha. Satan is a liar.

Tosinex:
Gibberish! Petty talks! mere impudence! Lamentations of a widow! That's all you have there.


You know I never checked any of your threads before I sent you to go and deliver your pastors from the demons of fornication and Jerry curling dragging them to hell, that's because I can smell you miles away, even though Its a faceless forum. Spiritually you are not in my league, you are far low to me, it will take you decades to have the Spiritual knowledge and Revelations I get from the Holy Spirit daily, I beat my chest to that!!

You said I use invectives, you did the same, right? Felicia or whatever you name yourself, be careful!!!
Well, I'm not explaining anything further because you are not worthy of my time.

You are trying to step up your game now. At least the English is becoming a lot more readable. Another credit I will not get.

You are truly a spiritual giant. If Jerry Curls is what will take people to hell. No wonder you are frustrated that I have exposed your lies. No more market to put God's people under bondage. They will read this and be delivered.

I am sorry I can't take you anymore seriously than a scriptural green horn. You could not explain the scriptures put at you and even claimed the Christian was a captive. If that is the league you are in, surely, I am not there. My own league is in christ far above the principalities and powers you think can hold people of your ilk captive.

And as far as chest beating and holy spirit revelations (wait let me laugh small ) just tell that holy spirit to first of all reveal clear scriptures to you. Chances are, the spirit you listen to is not Holy.

And Bye Felicia is a colloquial expression for sending someone off. If you were in a bourgeois milieu you would have heard it by now. Shows the places you live at. LOL.

Kid.

eddy1977:
I have been following the discussion as well. I think the defenders of exorcisms are not willing to learn. You gave them scripture after scripture, illustration after illustration; yet they are unable to receive it. All we can do now is let them continue to be charltans and native doctors.
I am glad they have been exposed. Their folly has been exposed. Their enterprise is doomed to fail.

What can one do? Just laugh and read.

bloodofthelamb:
Sir, becareful do not allow them to vex you

I am not vexed at all. If you have time to wade through the gibberish he posts you will see he was the one using the words foolishness, fool, dunce, Buffoon. I only taught him how to spell the last word. What will using such words on him do for me? Nothing.

I post on NL when chanced in the office and sometimes I use my phone. I am too high for certain things. So no bro, I am not vexed at all.

PROPHETmichael:
You quoted Jesus "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free" and I decided to test your knowledge of the word to see if you know what you are saying ......you failed woefully.

Preach that to a young convert with your curly hair and he'll be like "wow..preach pastor...." what you are saying is nice but that's not what Jesus was saying so pls don't "go on and on". Sit down, humble yourself and learn.

Jesus said I am the way, the TRUTH and the life (John 14:6)

He also said, "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall make you free" John 8:32

He went further in verse 36 to explain his statement, "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." John 8:36

So therefore, when he said and which you quoted without understanding, "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free" He was simply talking about himself.

In other words, he was saying "You shall know ME and I shall make you free"John 8:32, because "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." John 8:36 (If I shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed).

Or simply put it this way "you shall KNOW JESUS and JESUS shall MAKE you free" (personal relationship).

If you are humble, you will learn. It is clear you want me to keep teaching but I am being put off by the forceful way you are asking.

Jesus is the word himself and the word is also called truth.

John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

John 15:3
You are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Jesus said the words he spoke to his disciples, made them clean. If they were "dirty" the words he preached to them "cleaned" them. Not the casting out of demons or their sick that he healed. The word..

Eph 5:26

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word

Paul says the same thing. It is the word that sanctified/makes holy/separates/consecrates men.

A man can be free from bondage and not know and his ignorance will cause demons to ravage his life. Yet we have already been delivered. We have already been sanctified by the word.

So you can go back to Jesus words and say "You shall know the WORD and the WORD will MAKE YOU FREE".

Jews in Jesus day knew him. Even some Muslims " know" him but they are not delivered. It is knowing the person of Jesus by the word - that is, what the word says about him that makes men free.

We are already far above every demon and the devil himself. That is what the word says. So which deliverance is needed for someone who knows satan is under his foot?

Like I have said before, you don't know me or my knowledge of scripture.

Tosinex2:
gosh!! You a pastor? It's a fatal shame to name you a Pastor, a pastor that doesn't understand what Deliverance is, Well I'm not surprised, any fool can be admitted into bible school to become a Pastor.

You pray for people? Yuck!! You need people to lay hands on you, and not the other way round.
And I'm not interested in checking your threads or whatever because the little time I spend dialoguing with you here reveals how quack and petty you are and must have been trading your deluded knowledge on Nairaland, and how much you must have led your gullible folks astray, blind leading the blind. I reduced my talks because I don't find you worthy of my time.
You talking of Jews, Greek Christian or whatever, you can pm me for lectures, I have a reserved bible class for dunce pastor like you.

Yea, when they are schooled and cornered they mouth of invectives. You only succeeded in exposing yourself more. You did not read my post but were talking about Jerry Curls. Hahahha.

Kenneth Copeland whose devotional you use your second Nairaland account to post is well-known in Christendom. He sends people sometimes from his church to meet with Pastor Benny Hinn. LOL. Benny Hinn says, Rev Chris is the greatest teacher of the word he has ever met..and if you know Benny Hinn, you would know he has met them all.

Why is it necessary to say that to you? I expect you to end up insulting Pastor Kenneth now, just to still protect the sanctity of a dumb argument you could not at least use 2 corroborating scriptures to back up. To the point, you even discarded Jesus' very words.

Add Dunce, fool, Buffoon to your repertoire of assaults from someone who keeps yapping on about deliverance. I told you, the places I walk into, I don't think the head of the ministry you attend will be allowed to sit in the lounge. You are talking about deliverance and even with explicatory verses saying healing..casting out demons is not deliverance..you still maintain that it is..LOL.

So Explain how Col 1:13 Paul by the holy spirit could say we are delivered already yet did not relate that to casting out any demon or healing the sick? I am in the US so our time zones are different. I can totally expose you as someone who knows absolutely nothing but to what end? Your use of English already shows that.

Bye Felicia.

For the benefit of those who will go on to read this thread in future. Here are the new testament realities on our deliverance.

Col 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Gal 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

1John 4:4
You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

These scriptures are clear and lucid.

Christ HAS DELIVERED US. People need to be taught that. It has happened. It is not going to happen.

Christ has brought us into liberty. He HAS MADE us free. It has transpired. It is not about to happen. We are not entangled again in bondage. We are not captives.

We have overcome the devil and his cohorts. We are far above them. We are seated with christ. This is the genuine truth about us.

Any other half truths and lies from Kindagertan Christians is the reason some are ever learning but never coming to any knowledge of the truth. You can spot them from a mile by the staggering nature of their ignorance. Avoid them. Blind men cannot lead other blind men.

Tosinex2:
look at this clown! Mr vocabulary the Joker! you cast out demons regularly, are they living in your house? hahahahaha hahahahaha is everyone in your surroundings possessed , and don't you preach the Word to deliver them, and why casting them out regularly lolzz, you don't need to lie, I'm sure you don't even know what demons are, Keep living in your delusion, you can boast because it's a faceless forum! you still have alot to learn boy, the little you think you know is nothing and unfruitful, and to think you know God's word and you can't come up with precise scriptural verses to back your claims then I say it again that you are such a shame to Christianity..

What if I told you I am a Pastor who regularly prays for the sick in a healing school? What if I told you that the most people I pray for are members of some of the so-called deliverance ministries who get tired of going over and over with the same situations repeating themselves?

The evidence is here on who is an absolute disgrace to the cross. And the funny thing is, you are trying to use words you don't understand which makes you even look stupider. You can scour through my previous posts to see me lecturing people who know more than you on demons. You think they are something lofty because that is what spiritual frauds want to believe so you can keep fleecing the unsuspecting with your false tales and misapplication of clear scriptures.

Look at who is talking about scriptures. The same person who could not differentiate between, jew, gentile, Christian, preach, deliverance. I have read it all on nairaland.

PROPHETmichael:
I asked you to explain this statement "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free" and all you could say was "Well Jesus said..the Truth will MAKE us free." That says it all... Anyway, let me go according to your explanation, what truth will make us free?

Also, i'm still waiting for you to show me in the scripture where it says as Jesus or apostles was preaching, deliverance or healing etc was taking place. Remember, everything i'm trying to explain to you, i back it up with scripture; so kindly back yours up.

You asked me to explain the statement and I explained it yet all you gathered from it was that I said Jesus said it. What other explanation do you need? If you want something specific ask for it and you will be delivered.

Your question now is what truth will make Christians free?

God's truth about walking in divine health will cause Christians to walk in the freedom of perpetual good health.

God's truth about our right standing in christ will cause Christians to walk rightly.

God's truth about his love will cause Christians to walk without fear.

God's truth about our authority will ensure Christians do not subscribe to the lie of them being demon possessed or inheriting curses from their family.

Gods truth about the remission of sin we received will give us boldness to come to him without doubt.

I could go on and on.

Your next question is retarrded. The scriptures say preach deliverance and you are asking me to give you an instance when they preached and deliverance happened. That is like someone telling you to do good and you ask the person to show when "do" was happening and "good" was also happening.

If what you are trying to ask is what does preach deliverance mean, it is simple. If I tell someone who has not walked since birth, that in christ everything related to his health has been paid for on the cross and he can get up and walk, that is me preaching his deliverance to him.

In Acts 14:8-10, Paul was teaching about this when a man who had not walked since birth developed faith that he could walk. Paul by word of knowledge perceived this and told the man to get up and walk. Because your understanding of english is askew, let me break it down for you. The bible says Paul perceived that the man had FAITH TO BE HEALED. The bible was specific. Why did the man develop the faith to be healed? The bible says as he LISTENED INTENTLY to the message that Paul PREACHED.

If you don't understand this, don't quote me. I am giving you free sermons to use and impress your audience yet you are not saying thank you.

PROPHETmichael:
Maestro21 show me in the scripture where as the word was being preached, deliverance was taking place.

Also enlighten me on this statement by Jesus, "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free."

LOL. Sorry I had to laugh really hard. Starting from even when Peter spoke after receiving the holy spirit that got 2000 men saved, what do you think he did there?

I keep telling you that preaching deliverance = casting demons out or healing the sick.

As for your other question, a document that sets someone free can exist but if the person does not know they will still be in bondage. Imagine a prisoner who was wrongly accused and imprisoned yet a witness has come out to provide evidence showing that the prisoner is innocent, if a judge does not ratify that evidence, that prisoner will still be in jail even though evidence exists that SETS him free. But as soon as the judge accepts the evidence and declares not guilty, the prisoner by right will be asked to leave jail. Which means the evidence has MADE him free.

Well Jesus said..the Truth will MAKE us free.

Tosinex2:
hahaha I don't want to use some demeaning words here but you really sound so pained! Has Jesus sent you to preach English lolzz, how many books have you written with your grammatical brouhaha and sent out to the world, cos it seems that's the best thing you are good with your life..the letter kills but the spirit gives life.

Hey boy, you need understanding, You are not giving the Word for the excellency of speech but for the manifestation of God's Power and Glory. And if you are still looking for the correlation between PREACH, CAPTIVES, DELIVERANCE, CHURCH, CHRISTIAN or Whatever, keep searching, it shows you are still a babe, look for a teacher and learn, I speak wisdom among those that are mature, and Leave those that acknowledge my post, they found it worthy of acceptance because it's the truth...

You wanted to type Buffoon and you spelt it wrongly. I corrected you yet I am the one pained. 3 people who cannot read liked your post without seeing who has been using demeaning words like foolishness and buffoon.

The people that acknowledged your post are as ignorant as you yet they are seeking to "deliver" others. That is the joke of the day. Of course, how will a babe know who a mature Christian is when simple distinctions like preach and captives are beyond your ability to comprehend?

For your information, I have seen Yahoo boys get demons cast out of them only for the same people to go back to their scams. Because casting out demons is not = being delivered. That is why in the 5 fold ministry offices nobody listed anything called deliverance. Because deliverance has been wrought by Christ and pastors, prophets, evangelists, teachers and apostles are the offices via which this deliverance is declared, preached, demonstrated to people. It is a delivered man that can ask a devil to leave and he will. The man on the other end will never know this truth if he is not taught. So keep deceiving yourself.

I cast demons out regularly. Many times I don't even fast and pray. If I step into a place atimes they know to check out. You cant teach me about power. You are clearly limited by the knowledge of Gods word that you do not have.

PROPHETmichael:
The first preach is different from the second one.
This is how other translations put it:-

He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim freedom to the captives.

No they are not different. Why are you guys so dishonest?

How do you proclaim freedom to the captives if not by declaring to them that they are free. You have searched the scriptures and seen copiously that Jesus distinguished between deliverance and healings or casting out demons yet you lump them into the same box to save your argument.

Do you realize you can cast out a demon from someone and they will still be unsaved? Is an unsaved person not a captive?

PROPHETmichael:
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised.




Your problem is that you want to preach the gospel to the captives while preaching deliverance to the poor.
whereas, this is what you were commanded to do.

PREACH the GOSPEL to the poor
PREACH deliverance to the captives (in other words, command the chains to be broken in the name of Jesus)

Hopefully, the picture below will give you a better understanding of the word CAPTIVES. You can't set him free without breaking the chains.

Your problem is lack of understanding.

I said PREACH deliverance to the CAPTIVES. If preach gospel to the poor does not mean command them to be saved why does preach deliverance to the captives mean command them to be free?

Because you are forcing the scripture to say what it did not say. And you are not setting anyone free. Nobody sent you to set anyone free. Jesus said you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free.

asuustrike2009:
Mr man read the scriptures well.if you lack understanding ask questions. Those people into deliverance ministry are not different from the normal ministries we see around.

Now this is my problem, it is clear you are the one who does not understand scriptures but instead of ask, you disregard simple terms and vent off inconsistencies. The Psalm verses you quoted were contextually saying we should call unto God to ask for deliverance for his people (Israel) who at sundry times were captives of different nations. Key word GOD is the one who is doing the deliverance.

This is not related to any deliverance ministry. It is clear. To prove it to you I quoted another scripture were the word deliver was used in this case to show that Paul advocated that an erring bro be delivered unto Satan. You saw that and did not realise the folly in your argument.

This is simply what I mean. Jesus came and died and has consummated/finsuhed/acquired/completed the deliverance that the world of sinners (captives) needed. But many don't know it. So he told us to HEAL the SICK (any body could be sick including some faithless Christians and unbelievers). Recovery of sight to the blind (any one could be blind he does not distinguish). Liberty to the bruised (same as before this applies to anyone). Gospel to the poor (again..anyone) but lastly he says preach deliverance to the captives (ah ha! He distinguishes). Because he knows who the captives are. And notice he said PREACH their deliverance to them. In other words, tell them about it.

That is why I have said consistently that there is no special ministry to do that. It was a charge prophetically given to the whole body of christ. Even whilst Christ was about to ascend he told them the signs that will follow ALL believers. So I think it is you people who need to ask questions not the other way around.

Tosinex2:
look at this buffon you sounds disgusting and you know nothing about the ministry, you are just puffed up and arrogant and ignorant.. All that comes to church are they all Christians, have they all given their life to christ or don't you guys do altar call and see people that will come out and surrender to God...Gosh!! I'm talking to babes!


And this nonsense told me he walk in the Power of God and yet he's denying it's ability, you are such a shame to Christianity!

The word you are looking for is buffoon, because that is who you sound like (Did I not tell you English is your problem?). There is nothing above that addresses the words PREACH and CAPTIVES. You see you are cornered and resort to invectives because you would rather hold on to a lie than accept that what you have believed all your life is unscriptural.

Funny enough, the 2 people who liked your post are the same ones who support deliverance. How can someone who is not delivered deliver others? Lol

Tosinex2:
Who is discussing Christian a captive with you... Stop being foolish, we are talking about Deliverance here!

The scripture says PREACHING deliverance to the CAPTIVES.

Do you see how stupid you sound now?

PROPHETmichael:
Alright, let me follow you ..

Acts 16: 16- 18

16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.


So Paul deliverance of this certain damsel wasn't genuine because he didn't "preached deliverance" to her...he simply cast the demon out.

Imagine when you tell someone there is nothing wrong with casting out demons but it is not deliverance and they keep showing you more instances where demons were cast out. LOL.

In the verse of scripture I showed you, distinctions were made to show that healing..recovery of sight..helping the bruised and deliverance are not the same.

If you don't get that, what can I do to help you?

Tosinex2:
lolzz, look at this ignoramus Mr English...Deliverance is to be preached to who? To your boss in the office right! Didn't the scripture use captives. sell all what you have and go and buy a dico to check for the meaning of captives! You better receive sense..Rubbish.!

Is the Christian a captive? LOL.

You are more ignorant than I thought and you read Kenneth Copeland. What a shame.

Tosinex2:
FAILED!! You can see your foolishness and how you've deceived your self. If you walked in the Power of God you won't say there is nothing called Deliverance, because the Power of God is meant to Deliver. Your remaining gullible folks should take note!

You are actually the one talking foolishly. I said deliverance is to be preached and there is nothing like deliverance ministry.

Your problem is even english first and foremost. After then, we can discuss the scriptures.

PROPHETmichael:
It is clear that you lack understanding of the things of God because based on what you've wrote, you have called Peter and John deliverance of the lame man at the beautiful gate as not being genuine because they didn't "show the lame man by the word where he stand in Christ" they just went straight and ministered deliverance unto him.


May God forgive and enlighten you in his word.

You are deeply ignorant.

They did not deliver the man. They healed him of his ailment. You are the one claiming they delivered him.

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised.

Notice how he distinguishes between healing, recovery of sight to blindness, liberty to bruised people and deliverance to be preached.

If you cannot understand these simple terms then I cannot help you.

asuustrike2009:
That is not true. Study these verses of the scriptures; Psalm 50:15,Psalm 107:19,

1 Corinthians 5:5 also used the word "deliver". Does it now mean deliverance ministry? Come on. You people should stop being defensive.

Tosinex2:
The man Jesus ministered to in John 5:14 and healed was not a Christian and after Jesus met with him and he received him and received his healing, and was proclaiming in the temple, what did he become? And what did Jesus told him? How many of the G-boys in your church have you turned into a true Believer? How do I expect you to understand the raising of the dead, You won't understand the correlation because you don't know the power of God.

I walk in the power of God. Let me not say more than that.

And NOBODY could become a Christian until christ died.

asuustrike2009:
Are you saying that there is no need for deliverance.?
Who told you there are no deliverance ministry?

The bible said there is no "deliverance" ministry.

There is need for people to know that they have been delivered. You teach..preach...tell them they have been delivered. You do not cast out demons or heal the sick for deliverance. Deliverance is what christ has achieved..your duty is to preach it to them.

asuustrike2009:
The heading says so. The writer is preventing people from attending deliverance ministry.

He is telling people that casting out demons is not "deliverance" and that there is no such ministry called that.

I know a Muslim who went to church one day and a demon was cast out of her. Few years later and I stumbled unto her facebook profile...she is Muslim back again. That is a result of "deliverance" ministries.

Notice the terms I am using are not perfection or not doing anything right..but Muslim.

PROPHETmichael:
I don't remember saying healing is deliverance instead i quoted Jesus who said heal the sick, raised the dead, CAST OUT DEMONS...
Is casting out demons not deliverance? The woman's daughter was demon possessed which requires deliverance and Jesus called it "children's bread"

Casting out demons is not deliverance. You don't get it do you?

LOL.

And I am not against casting out demons, I just said it is not " deliverance". The deliverance is to be PREACHED. You show people by the word where they stand in christ. That is genuine deliverance. You can cast out demons from someone who has them and without the genuine deliverance they will be back there again.

Tosinex2:
All these blabbings of yours won't help.. Normally I don't do these, especially when someone I'm dialoguing with is not versed. There's nothing wrong with making people know what the Word can do for them and they applying it, but I'm sure you've not experienced real life situations of these things, All you do is to sit in your church listen to what your pastor is teaching you, shout, and jump here and there. And get these facts right in Acts 3, Peter didn't preach to the guy, he didn't say accept Jesus now and be healed, he ministered healing to him (silver and gold I have not, but what I have I give to you in the name of Jesus, Arise!!) and puuff! He was delivered from being crippled, his legs and bones received strength, Peter did that by the Power of the Spirit in the name of Jesus.

Now, a dead man was brought into the church and the man of God prayed and he was raised from the dead and alive, tell me with which ear did he use to hear his present hour reality in Christ and encouraged to stand upright....
A G-boy (if you know what that means) ran mad and was seen on the streets and a man of God accosted him on the way, pray for him and he was delivered from the spirit of madness and made whole, now tell me with which ear did he use to hear his present hour reality before he was delivered... You need to go and learn more.
And lest I forget didn't Jesus tell people to sin no more after healing them lest a worst thing come on them, go and read this scripture and receive understanding John 5:14, John 8:11, Matt 12:43-45.

Actually you are the one who is churning out words totally off tangent from the central crux. And to think that you actually think you are well versed is laughable. The man in Acts 3 was not a Christian you do realize? I have to put it out there because a lot of you just talk jammily. The man who was Christian that I referred to was Aeneas. You should read up on him a little as you might learn a lot.

Then I don't understand your jumbo on a dead man being raised back to life. Peter, Paul did raise dead CHRISTIANS back to life. What is the correlation with your drivel? You may extend this deep teaching you are feigning to know and relate with the Gboy story as I am 100% convinced no G-boy can be Christian.

That is the problem with people who think the Nursery school they attend should even be used to teach university students forgetting that some people left Nursery a long time ago. So Jesus telling someone how to keep their healing is the service on secret sins ignorant folks yap about? Tell me more.

Tosinex:
You've shifted the topic from Deliverance ministry to Believers being in bondage. Knowledge is Power they say, A Believer that doesn't have the truth and the light of the Word will find himself/herself in Bondage because such person will be ignorant of what the Word is capable of.... Tell me how many acclaimed believers have time these days to dwell on the Word and ask for deeper Revelations from the Holy Spirit. Apostle Paul, even after walking with God year in year out, still says "that I may know him, and the Power of His resurrection and the fellowship of his suffering being made comformable unto his death.. .Philipians 3:10." don't forget Jesus rebuke His Apostle for not having enough faith, and faith cometh by hearing and hearing (reading) the Word of God. (they were ignorant of how to cast out that devil and Jesus says they need faith howbeit this can ONLY come out through fasting and prayer, note that!) that's that for that.

Now when we go out to deliver, we conduct deliverance for those that are being possessed and we minister healing to the sick. A member of a church came to one of my revered MOG and said he should pray for her, and the man looked at her and said she need to confess, she was shocked and she said she has something that was given to her like a powder and whenever she applied it to her face and look at a man and the man looks at her, she will definitely get down with that man (this is an acclaimed Believer, or member of a church), you need to get off your phone pad and experience real life practical of this situations. And Get this right, Not everybody out there is a Christian, and not everybody that comes to church is a Believer, and even those that are called Believers some of them engage in secret sins that open them up to the devil(the accuser, the enemy) and he that breaks the edge shall the what....? You can complete that yourself, thanks.

This is drivel for the most part because you cannot pinpoint where you were told to deliver people. If someone was sick before they became born anew and you tell them about christ and his salvation and they accept it and you go on to pray for them to be healed and they get healed, at what point did you deliver them?

The difference between you and me is, I tell people their present-hour reality in christ and encourage them to stand upright. I tell the sick, Jesus makes you well just like Peter did and get them to stand up from that sickness. You on the other hand, tell them that secret sins can bring them down, that some of them are saved but still in bonds. The result? You "cast out" demons from them and in a few months they are back on those prayer lines asking for more "deliverance" from secret sins. Then people who should have graduated to secondary school will still be in Nursery, still learning and relearning how to read and write.

PROPHETmichael:
Or maybe Maestro21 knows better than Jesus who called deliverance "children's bread" when an unbeliever came to him for help. He simply said to the woman, deliverance is not for unbelievers but for believers.

matthew 25:21-28
22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

Maestro21 pls sir shed more light on the above scripture.
bloodofthelamb you asked if a believer can be captive....you can also shed more light on it.

Healing is not "deliverance". And no, nobody was a Christian or no Christian as Jesus had not died and resurrected. The Jews were Gods people and the gentiles were not. So by right, the woman who was a gentile should have not asked for healing since she did not believe in what the Jews believed in. That is what Jesus was saying. Her argument then was, after you have helped the jews there will still be something left for outsiders and Jesus praised what she did as " faith".

This is an unwelcome distraction because I said the CHRISTIAN is not in bondage. Only ignorant ones are trapped. I did not say the JEWS or GENTILES are not in bondage. There is a difference. Come on!

enilove:
I want to ask you this simple question.

What is the meaning of this verse below :

Matthew 17:21 KJV
Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Always compare stories to get the full gist. There is the Mark 9 account and this one above. The disciples tried and the demon did not leave. They went to Jesus in private to ask him why. Matthew says, he said BECAUSE you had no faith. To leave that out is disingenuous. Then, he goes on to add that the demon could have only left by prayer. Mark 9 corroborates that aspect.

Why is this necessary? Because we cannot separate the faith he said they did not have and the prayer he said was necessary to get the demon out. Jesus was essentially teaching about the prayer of faith. We can tell because the disciples asked him why the demon did not leave when they spoke but left when he spoke. If Jesus had used different words they would have surmised that that was the reason his worked and not theirs but he did not. Jesus said the same things with them. The difference was, Jesus made the prayer of faith whilst the disciples were trying to conduct deliverance ceremonies. You can read up on James 5:13-15 to see the significance of that prayer of faith.

And the prayer of faith is usually said ONCE. You are acting faith not chanting incantations.

Like I said, you cannot ignore the full teaching of faith Jesus did after telling them they had no faith and zero in on (prayer and fasting). I fast and I pray so I am not against that. But it was faith + prayer that Jesus advocated for and faith is how the human spirit responds to Gods word. That is why we TEACH people God's word so their faith will rise and they will know they are delivered.

PROPHETmichael:
I used the word TRUE deliverance ministry because i know of a fact that many have bastardized deliverance ministry and in as much as there are genuine ones, there are also fake ones."Head pushing" is common among the fake ones or someone who is new in deliverance ministry for the bible says "He sent forth his word and healed them; he rescued them from the grave." Psalm 107:20..He didn't push them but he sent forth His WORD. Mind you the WORD there is not preaching but prophetic word. The Word brings light into dark situation while the prophetic word acting upon faith brings deliverance.

So what then is a true deliverance ministry? it is written, "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give. (Mt. 10:8 )!
Jesus didn't say feel sorry for the sick, dead, leprosy and demons. He said "Heal the sick! raise the dead! heal the lepers and cast out demons" So, therefore, a true deliverance ministry have compassion on the sick by stretching forth their hands and heal them! All without collecting a dime for freely they received and freely, they must give out.

Now how do you know if you are called into deliverance ministry? If each time you see sick people etc and you have this holy anger in you, compassion on them, know for a fact you are called into deliverance ministry.

Peace my brother

Healing is not deliverance.

The charge to heal the sick was given to all Christians. Not once did Jesus refer to it as deliverance. You deliver unbelievers by preaching the word to them. The rest of your point is unnecessary because nobody is against healing the sick. At least not me.

enilove:
What do you mean a christian is not under bondage?

Why do Christians fall sick and die of the sickness even after prayers? After all , the bible says in :
Isaiah 53:5 KJV
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

A sick non christian should be made whole immediately after becoming a christian , but this is not the case most of the times, why?

Why are we having broken christian marriages? Is it not a sign of bondage for a Christian marriage to break? Why should the devil have dominion over a christian home when our saviour says we should not divorce?

Why are Pastors sleeping with church members ? Why so much sins in the lives of many Christians ?
Are they not under the bondage of sin?
Don't we have fraudulent Christians , is that not a bondage?

Why do many or some Christians find it hard to leave masturbation?

THERE ARE SO MUCH POLUTIONS WHICH MAKE IT HARD FOR MANY CHRISTIANS TO AVOID SIN AND ATTACKS OF THE DEVILS. UNLESS WE PRAY WITHOUT CEASING WITH OCCASIONAL FASTING , IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO FALL INTO ONE BONDAGE OR THE OTHER.

When someone was a sinner and occasionally did something right did it mean they had become "free" at that point?

When you preach to sinners do all of them accept the message at the same time?

If your answer to both questions is no, then why do you flip the script and claim that a Christian falling sick is in bonds?

Listen, ignorance, lack of faith and disobedience for Gods word are the reasons christians fall sick, divorce or commit any of the acts you mentioned. It is not bondage as the bible already declares every Christian bond free.

And that is why we preach deliverance to them by telling them they are free of sin and its consequences. They are free to live right for God. But you are the one telling them they have secret sins in their life and putting them back in ignorance. That is why you constantly have to keep "delivering" them. Because you have taught them that they are still in bondage.

Just turn on the light and darkness will be dispelled!

enilove:
Battle of the mind?
Are you a comedian, because it sounds funny ?

Ephesians 6:12-18 KJV
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places .
[13] Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
[14] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; [
15] And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
[16] Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
[17] And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
[18] PRAYING ALWAYS with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;


FROM THE ABOVE SCRIOTURES , TO WRESTLE AND WIN THE BATTLES OF LIFE AGAINST PRINCIPALITIES AND WICKED POWERS IN HIGH PLACES , WE NEED :

The armour of God , which are :

TRUTHFULNESS
RIGHTEOUSNESS
PREACHING THE GOSPEL
FAITH
ASSURANCE OF SALVATION
USING THE WORDS OF GOD OR STUDYING THE WORDS OF GOD
PRAYING ALWAYS .

Did Jesus not told us that we need to fast and pray for some problems to go?

Deliverance is about praying and fasting , nothing more. Any other kind of deliverance is fake and demonic.
Jesus Christ our saviour mentioned deliverance as part of his work . Do you know more than Jesus ?


Luke 4:18 KJV
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach DELIVERANCE to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

You quoted scripture but did not understand what you posted for he clearly said we are not wrestling against human beings; the battle is against (all the things he listed). Then he explained how to be armed;

1. Breastplate of righteousness
2. Know the good news (that we are free!)
3. Shield of faith (to quell any darts of evil thrown at us)
4. Helmet of Salvation (know you are saved for that is where the battle is..in your mind)
5. Use the word to attack.

There is nothing above that a Christian should pray for to have. A Christian is already made righteous, has heard the gospel, is saved and should have the word at their beck and call. A Christian has already been given the measure of faith which Jesus had. That is why Paul by the Holy Spirit clearly says "ABOVE ALL" when it comes to faith. This shows that the battle with these forces of evil is a faith battle which is primarily in the mind. It is a battle of standing absolutely in the word of God and maintaining that it is true. It is what Paul calls fighting the good fight of faith.

Such that if someone tells you, "the reason you don't have a job yet is because your great grand father did this or that" you don't hear that and start rushing to "deliverance" ministers to help you, NO! Instead you say (BY THE WORD) that the statement is a lie because if any man is in christ he is a new creature that never existed before and is not subject to any demon or forces of evil any more. That is the fight of faith.

This is why a lot of people keep going and going to deliverance ministers only to go back again for a new issue all over. Evil forces always thrive where Ignorance abounds.

Stop and think!