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ABC 20/20 portrayed Nigeria as a country peopled by scammers.

The best you can do is to educate. Some people are so ignorant of facts. I once heard the media call Nigeria a muslim country.

Easyy:
You obviously did not see the signs of kleptomania in Abacha. You're either playing dumb or

Stop embarrassing yourself. Abacha was not a kleptomaniac.

Easyy:
It does not matter whether the media has changed or not. You stated that it is democracy that has enabled us to speak. Why not either admit that you came up with a wrong statement or try proving your point instead or this resort to senselessness. You really believe you have a clue

Show me where I said that. Once again you are putting words in my mouth to support your invalid and irrelevant points.

Easyy:
It's becoming obvious who is the one with any brain to think, it's obvious who consumes garbage and spews filth here. If you brain (I'm assuming you have one) works, you'll not spew such thoughtlessness

Indeed it is. Everyone knows, except you apparently, that each day of their lives they make choices. Everyone, except you apparently, knows the importance of having the ability to choose especially when that choice is based on who is going to make laws that decide how you live your life.
You apparently do not believe in having a say in who your leader is. The Europeans and Americans would have loved your type during the slave trade.
Actually slavery is still practised in several places including Africa. Peharps you should look into it. You should fit in well as the slave.

Apparently, Odilli is being investigated by the EFCC.

Easyy:
To say that a type of government is not practised anywhere else and so should not be practised is to imply that one must follow what some others have done. Is it a semantic issue?

It is a human issue.

Easyy:
We had Abacha and Babangida who were nothing but kleptomaniacs. Does that mean every other government will be like them? Do you need me to start naming democratically elected heads of governments who have plunged their nations into the abyss or close to it? Maybe as a result of that, we should also jettison the idea of democracy.

Do you even know what a kleptomanic is? Abacha and IBB deffinitely weren't/aren't kleptomaniacs.
With demorcracy you have a choice to vote in leaders that work with your idealogy or leaders that don't. Rather than have whatever leaders forced on you. The point in demorcracy is, you at least have a choice.

Easyy:
It is arrant NONSENSE, mildly put, to suggest that the presence of the internet in Nigeria is a direct product of democracy. For you to suggest such a thing is beginning to make me have doubts about your ability to rationalise. I criticized a few undemocratic governments in Nigeria so to say that criticism is a result of democracy is nonsensical as well. Gani Fawehinmi has criticised every Government in Nigeria: has Nigeria always been democratic then?

You really do not have a clue. you really don't. The information Media in general, in Nigeria, have drastically changed compared to what it was during the dictatorships. You really don't have a clue.

Easyy:
How dare you lecture me about living in North Korea! Have you ever lived there? There are many Nigerian girls in Italy who have stories to tell about Nigeria simply because they believe those stories will help them get what they want; there are quite a few in UK too. Do these people necessarily present a true picture of what's happening in Nigeria?

Stop giving me garbage that you have been fed by your right wing media.

I don't want to keep repeating myself but, you really should pull your head and finger out. Start putting the side of your brain that deals with rational/logical thinking to good use. It isin't there for fun.

cabali:
Dont mind all these uncivilized clowns. What has religion got to do with it? rubbish!!!


A crying shame people still use such petty criteria as religion for who they will vote!

Exactly! And they are the same people that will be whining 'nigeria is not moving foward'.

I must say the TINAPA project is looking outstanding for the people of Calabar.

Some pics showing progress of work.

http://www.tinapa.com/scripts/piclibrary/DisplayDBImage.asp?imType=high&pl_id=296
http://www.tinapa.com/scripts/piclibrary/DisplayDBImage.asp?imType=high&pl_id=300

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061208/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_palestinians

Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh told thousands of Iranians on Friday that his Hamas-led government will never recognize
Israel and will continue to fight for the "liberation of Jerusalem."

And these are the people that say they want peace.

Affoxpope:
forget IBB past record. he is better of

Oh look "another one". *Yawn*

Jakumo:
The world has to know that those felons are utterly despised by many of their countrymen, and NOT at all seen as "folk heroes" as claimed in that video.

I couldn't believe that in December 2006 a news reporter will say that scam artists are celebrated in Nigeria. Heart wrenching what these bastards (Scam artists) are doing to the image of Nigeria.

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Afam:
@Mariory,

You never disappoint, you never have a mind of your own, I am yet to read where you make your opinions known apart from making one line statements and copying and pasting links for people to go and read.

It is sad that many intelligent people have left this forum otherwise I can't imagine you being able to make contributions here.

On Israel/Lebanon, I have been consistently right and you have been consistently wrong in your analysis and the events have clearly proven this. And to justify your wrong analysis your group have chosen to brand those that were right "politically correct" even when your group have been politically incorrect and morally incorrect.

Maybe it will take you another 2 weeks to see a point you disagree with or a reason to laugh.

My God, you are dumb. First of all why would I spend my precious time arguing with someone like you on a topic when I can just post evidence that you are wrong. Or you think people don't have lives outside of these forum boards? - Rhetorical question. Don't answer that.

4 Play:
@Afam

your words not mine.You and I have been arguing all this while about Iraq and what the people think and u don't even know the 3 major political parties in iraq?

Haba Afam,how can u discuss US politics if u don't know the difference between the DEmocratic party and the Republican party.

Hahaha I found that was the typical situation when arguing with Afam in the Israeli vs hezbolla thread.

zexyworm:
2- The ticket will go to a Governor whose age falls between 44 and 65, someone from the "young generation" (This automatically disqualifies Odili, Attah, and Baba).

It's between 45 and 55 not 45 and 65.

According to El-Rufai, the PDP's screening process restricts the age of presidential aspirants to between 44 and 55. If this is true, it rules out IBB as PDP candidate.

http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art20061207342445

kaecy5:
among the tifs there are tives and tives odili stands out

he has used a minute percentage of his income to better te life of rivers people even though they still love complain how many percentage has duke used yet? nothing

And yet which state is better off? Which is cleaner? Which is more peaceful and civilised? Which has basic infastructure for the population? Which has captured the attention of international sporting events? Which is the state that foreign tourists flock to? Which has less crime? Which state is the preferred destination of many Nigerians wanting to get away from the "typical Nigerian" daily life?

Trying to spin facts is pointless when they stare you in the face.

So how's the registration progressing now? Any improvements?

lewa:
Come to think of it!Where's Biggie?Conspiracy theorists what's goin' on?

The moon landings were fake. The CIA blew up the twin towers as a pretext to invade Iraq. There are no terrorists. America is trying to take over the middle east with it's ally, the terrorist illegitimate nation Israel. Obj and Bush are really monkeys that can speak English disguised in human costumes. Seun is the Sith lord. Elvis invented bread. We all want to break free.

Havila:
I perceive you are a man of wisdom, so I have listed some references below for you. These are not spurious websites with religious coloration but books that are products of academic researches and government papers from both sides of the divide through which you can trace and get an understanding of the root of the conflict.

"No No No. Those are pro-western, pro-Jewish references. So they are not true"

Is the response you will get from some folk here.

Easyy:
Now you are coming out with what you really have inside you.

No doubt you understood what you ment there that cause I didn't and could care less.

Easyy:
you believe that what should be practised is what is being practised by some other nation. Democracy should be a system where citizens elect those who have the rule over them. So why does one person have the powers to SELECT ministers who take decisions about the way our lives are lived? why don't we get to elect ministers who make policy decisions?

The point is that there is no perfect democracy anywhere in the world.

You would rather want everyone to practise what is practised in the US. That's why you ask 'since when have ministers been elected anywhere?' It should not be about what is done anywhere but about what works for every country.

You obviously have just been replying without reading first. If you had read you would have seen I have already stated Democracy in itself is not perfect. Where did I say all governments should be structured like the American government's? You are putting words in my mouth to support your arguments. The UK government is certainly not structed this way. I have only said democracy is the best form of government.

Easyy:
If you practice a style of Government simply because that is what works elsewhere, you may find yourself in trouble. I think that's one of the main problems with Nigeria.

We had the Idiagbon regime which, in my opinion, was what we needed at that point in Nigeria to stem the tide of rot which was engulfing us but a number of westernised people thought it was a dictatorial regime (my parents also thought so). Look where we are now! The Idiagbon regime may have succeeded in changing our mindset for the better but now the average Nigerian has a corrupt mindset and sees corruption as a necessity to move ahead.

We got a democracy which our mentality was not able to cope with. LOOK AT US NOW

1. If you don't practice a form of government where people are free to express their basic human rights (democracy) then you will find yourself in trouble.

2.We also had the Abacha and IBB etc regimes. To some people these guys were angels who could/can do no wrong. Does that make such governments ok. Not in my book.

3.Yes indeed look at us. The fact that there is internet in Nigeria today is a consequence of democracy. The fact that you can criticize government is a consequence of democracy. The fact that you can join an opposition movement that has contrary views to that of government is a consequence of democracy. Yes all the freedom you now take for granted is a consequence of democracy. Yes it's cute to live in a free society and criticize democracy. Maybe you should try living in places like North Korea. Then we'll compare notes on which type of government you prefer.

Easyy:
If China is not democratic, Nigeria is not democratic neither is America or even UK for that matter.

In China, the President and Vice President are not directly elected. In Nigeria, no one elects the ministers, same applies to America. Every nation should decide the best way to form it's own government rather than being forced to do things the way America wants it done.

Look no offense but, you starting to sound ridiculous. In China, the people do not decide who leads them. The Communist party does. Nigeria, UK, and US are not one party states. I don't know what they hell ministers have got to do with this. Since when have ministers ever been elected anywhere?

I know the truth is hard to accept for those who love to hate America. Face it, their form of government (Demorcracy) is the best of the bunch and it is spreading. It's only a matter of time before China joins the club.

Easyy:
You sign a peace accord after you take all of my land and make me your houseboy? you must be having a laugh!

While Israel was giving up land in front of TV cameras, they were grabbing even more land behind the scenes. You need to go and find out the real facts and not what you are fed by your right wing press.

I don't even know where to begin. I would ask you to post your legitimate sources but, that would be useless cause you obviously have none.

This is the kind of statement to be expected by someone who has taken a stance for whatever reason without ever knowing what they are taking a stand on. Blind leading the blind as they say.

LOL yes, the following two peace loving arabs really want peace.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?=1164881801325&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-22/0612024565104640.htm

So why can't Iran take over aid to the Palestinian Arabs?

oh common now. Let's not get carried away. China is not demorcratic. It is a one party state. With a population of 1.3 billion, there are only 7.9 million or so registered voters. None of those voters get to select the president or vice president. There are indeed other political parties in China, but they only participate in the People's Political Consultative Conference, which endorses Communist party of China's (CPC) policies.

China is run by three seats of power. The State Apparatus, the People's Liberation Army, and the CPC.

From the same link you posted.
The President and vice president are elected by the National People's Congress for five-year terms. The people do not get a chance to vote at all. The National People's Congress membership is still largely determined by the Communist Party of China.

If you are a member of the communist party, you can vote for who will represent you in Beijing. Its more of a relationship kind of thing than a real democratic process. No one with truly independent ideas may run, and no one who is not a member of the communist party can be elected. It is a one party state, and it is still largely run by the military.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-party_state (see links at the bottom for more info.)

Afam:
Palestines do not need aid to survive. They are not asking for aid to survive.

The powerful countries supported Israel to create the situation that we have today.

Before the creation of Israel in 1948, did the Palestine depend on aid to survive? If no (which is basically the fact), why do they depend on aid today?

Until this question is answered one may never look at this issue the way it should be looked at, unfortunately people take decisions based on religion and this alone blinds many from seeing things the way they really are.

Err here we go again going round and round. Before Israel was created, the word 'Palestine' referred to Jews living in the British administrated territory. The people now called Palestinians were Egyptians, Jordanians, Simites etc. Before the creation of Israel, there was no such thing as a Palestinian homeland.

For those interested in the facts
http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html
http://www.tzemachmusic.com/fyi/docs/speak/nopal.htm
http://www.factsandlogic.org/ad_91.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)
http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/349b02280a930813052565e90048ed1c!OpenDocument - League of Nations (before the UN)
http://www.mideastweb.org/unscop1947.htm
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a798adbf322aff38525617b006d88d7/07175de9fa2de563852568d3006e10f3!OpenDocument&Highlight=0,AC.13%2F2 - UN

Also see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_exodus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_refugees
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugees

shango:
if you think the problems of Nigeria stem from corruption then you do not have any historical perspective on the "country" known as Nigeria.

I bet if you where president you would start to fight corruption to fix the country right? Just like GW Bush thinks terrorism is something to be fought.

That isnt corruption that is survival. People do not bribe police because they are corrupt they do it to survuve the next day.

1. At no point did I say that Nigeria's problems stem from corruption. Corruption is one of Nigeria's problems.
2. I don't know how you arrived at that or the relevance of the comment.
3. It's not about the public. It's not so much about the police even. It's about how bad and how "normal" corruption has become in society that the whole process feeds off itself. Kind of like a never ending corruption cycle.

@O-B-J
Dude pretending to be Obasanjo has gotten old. Let it go.

In what country? Who elects members of the parliaments?

Well at least he's setting an example. You're never to old to learn.

Easyy:
Knowing the source of 'history' helps to determine what kind of slant/spin would have been applied to such. Historical documents tend to sometimes differ depending upon who recorded the 'facts'.

Okay then forget history. Let us judge Communism on what we know to be true. What we see with our own eyes in our own time. We see that communists governments everywhere are authoritative. Thats fact.

Easyy:
I don't see what you mean

Yes you do.

Easyy:
hopefully, we are not forgetful of the fact that the Government in Palestine is nothing but a lame duck. It can't even control it's own people.

The west refused to recognise it despite being a democracy. How do you expect a govt which cannot control it's own people to have enough resources to stop every palestinian from attacking Israel.

Maybe if the west did not apply double standards after free and fair elections brought in a democratic government for the palestinian people, the govt would be stronger and more able to enforce such a ceasefire. The issue is that Israel is being attcked by undesirable elements within the Palestinian State but IT IS the ISRAELI GOVERNMENT which always attacks Palestinians.

You clearly don't understand. Go back and research it again. Find out why the situation changed when Hamas took over power from Fatah. Most importantly, read up on Hamas for your own good.

Easyy:
If we say that Israel is being attacked by Palestine, then we can also conclude that Americans occupied Iraq and raped Iraqi men and women.

Oh Lord here we go again with a totally irrelevant situation. Sheesh!

Easyy:
You have brought me a definition well tailored to mean what some want it to mean. Did you also see it defined as follows?

A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.

Nothing there about authoritarianism.

Westerners are very good are twisting definitions to mean what suits them generally.

History (factual history) records communist governments as being authoritative. That's besides the point though. Look at the definition in your quote. And then remember what I said about a perfect world. See what I mean?

Afam:
Maybe those of you that are politically incorrect and even morally wrong can tell the Israeli PM not to do a prisoner exchange and wage a full scale war.

Just as Bush is being humbled by the reality on ground, Olmert may be seeking a workable solution as he even stated that Israel would not retaliate even when the Palestinians breached the cease fire.

The bottomline is that justice, fairplay and peace will be close at hand when all the parties involved decide to seek genuine peace.

1. No one ever said a prisoner exchange shouldn't happen. However, I want to preempt the useless noise that will develop should Israel rightfully retaliate to protect itself.

2. Lord knows why you keep bringing Bush and the Iraq war into this. Two totally different situations.

3.Yes that is indeed what will be close at hand once the terrorists are neutralized. Indeed it will.