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Afam:
@Mariory,

I never stated that non democratic societies are moral. What are you getting at, manufacturing statements so you can go personal? Won't work now and won't work ever.

Ignoring irrelevant ranting, What was your basis of then saying demorcracy is giving way to things that are immoral? Of course in comparison with other government systems?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061127/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_olmert
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This is the response from terrorists
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061129/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflict_061129104124
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061128/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictgaza_061128205758

Like we have been trying to get you self confessed "politically correct" people to understand. Terrorists have no interest in peace and you cannot expect a country to just sit back and do nothing but offer themselves as sacrifice in the name of peace. The same peace that in the eyes of terrorists means that country ceases to exist.

Easyy:
You may wish to educate me and tell me exactly how communism means a non democratic state.

I await your enlightening definition and explanation

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/communism

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Afam:
Democracy is just a game of numbers and has nothing to do with morality just as 90% of a group may decide to pass into law something that is bad and it becomes law because in democracy majority will always have their way while minority their say.

And what makes you think non-democratic societies are moral? Don't be so naive. A very immoral person can also seize power (several examples of such people in Africa in the past decade) and do what he likes. The difference with democracy is that you will have a say in whether someone you disagree with stays in power.
You folks are forgetting that no one is saying democracy is perfect. What is being said is that it is the best form of government whatever your ideas or beliefs.

Easyy:
I hope you don't mean that communism necessarily means non-democratic.

That's exactly what I mean.

Also make sure you are prepared to produce N50 should such identification be asked for.

Easyy:
lewa,

Not even in the US or in UK are the rights, prosperity, hopes and aspirations of citizens guaranteed.

Of course. However, as previously stated, it is the best form of government there is. Peharps in a perfect world, where we had perfect humans, free from corruption, greed, insanity, or other potentially dangerous human emotions, then idealogies like communisim can work. But you and I know better.

lewa:
I challenge anyone to name a country where the rights of its citizens, their prosperity, hopes and aspirations are guaranteed in a non democratic system!

Exactly!

Let the scratching of heads begin in an attempt to answer this question.

Have you visited the web sites of human right campaigners? You hear about China more because it is a much larger country and has more infleunce internationally.

For example, this just out. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061128/ap_on_re_af/nigeria_rape

shango:
Democracy has nothing to do with economic prosperity.

China already proves this, Democracy is a form of governance NOT an economic model. The Communist government of China is doing pretty fucking well being communist.

China hasn't proved anything yet. The only thing it's proved is that you have to be on good terms with West for your economy to grow. When China achieves economic prosperity it will have to be democratic. More developed economy => more educated citizens => more people having access to outside world => more citizens requiring greater freedoms. This is the reason why you currently cannot even view any web pages with the word 'democracy' from inside China. The government are not stupid. They know that to hang on to power they have to restrict as much knowlegde from the population as possible.
It's inevitable that China will have to switch to be a democracy. This process has already begun.

It's on record that protests in China over lack of human rights which you hardly hear about because of government censorship is increasing exponentially every year.

And those are the so called "achievements" of atiku you're comparing to what duke has achieved? Are you insane?

Reading some of the reasons in this thread on why Atiku should be the next president, I think shows why Nigeria takes one step foward and ten steps back. It's almost as though so many Nigerians are forever to be used as fools by a select few.

One can only logically conclude that some Nigerians like or are addicted to suffering.

Don't worry. When this tool becomes popular. We will start to see the real China. Not the one the heavily censored Chinese media presents.

shango:
Poor Poor child . No Problem, well you have no proof, I have plenty.

Take Latin America for instance, just one continent.

http://www.zompist.com/latam.html

ENJOY! almost a century and a half of coup toppling and government subversions. You obviously do not know your history

And like I said, American corruption is way WAY WAY more sophisticated than any African institution. With the complexity of the society and government and institution, so goes its complexity in corruption. Heard of Tom Delay? Jack Abramoff? George fucking W Bush?

Your post and link is irrelevant. I could have done a search and posted links myself. I can come up dates that go far further back than the 19th century in your links. Why must I go into basics to make you understand. It is not about type of corruption. It is about which country is more corrupt. Of course corruption exists in the west as it does everywhere. Even in exetremely religious societies that claim to be at the highest morality level known to man.

Fact is kid, that for years Nigerian society has come to believe corruption is normal part of life. And majority of Nigerians have participated in it. From the simple N50 given to policemen on the streets to higher level corruption. Nigerians attitude is, if I don't do it, someone else will. Or if I don't give the police money, I could end up dead. This is not the case in the west. This is elementary. If you cannot understand this, then oh dear.

shango:
The US has toppled and inititated more coups on more governments than every other country combined.

When you talk about corruption America takes the cake. The difference between American and African corruption is sophistication.

Where is your evidence of this. There have been more documented coups in Nigeria than that accused against America. But that's both out opinions as I don't have facts to back that up right now and I'm not interesting in compiling such facts. So before we go off topic, I'll just ask you one simple question.

Would you have the confidence to ask an American policeman to accept money in order to let you walk for a crime you commited (stealing for example)? Or to a customs officer at an American airport that discovers you with banned substances that requires you be detained. Suffice to say you would easily suggest the same to their Nigerian counterparts.

trendy:
they see us as the most corrupt people on earth
but we are not they are

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LMFAO. It's so funny because it's so unbelievably untrue.

@Big B1
When IBB is being hung up by his balls, I'll come here to find you.

There are conflicting reports at the time of posting but, a Brtish hostage is confirmed dead. 2 militants confirmed dead, several captured. Sepculation as to wheater 1 military personnel was killed during the rescue attempt. The remaining hostages are confirmed to have been rescued. 1 is confirmed injured. Speculation as to the seriousness of his injury.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6172546.stm
http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=CN&storyID=2006-11-22T212527Z_01_L22882934_RTRIDST_0_NIGERIA-HOSTAGES-UPDATE-7-PICTURE.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061122/ap_on_re_af/nigeria_oil_unrest
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/11/22/news/delta.php

Where did you get that piece of news?

That's not true. There's Virgin Nigeria, Aero, and Arik air.

Ofcourse. Why else would anyone support someone like Babangida to be president?

Use good airlines if you want to travel by air

Yep pretty much. The opposition has no other way of capturing the attention of Nigerians than to claim third term.

funloving:
What on earth is an Economic and Financial Crimes Commission doing investigating a terrorism attempt (if proved to be true) ? - Please note the words in bold

EFCC can probe the source of the man's money, if he has any, but it is not for it to investigate the act of terrorism or attempted terrorism. There should be specialised agencies or units for such an investigation.
EFCC does not have the skilled personnel or specialised equipment for such investigations

Let's not make it look as if all Nigerians have lost their education or ability to think intellectually.

Even with the EFCC site displaying that they are indeed mandated to investigate acts of terrorism, you continue to argue?

http://www.efccnigeria.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=70

Have you been through training with the EFCC that you now know what type of equipment or expertise they have?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6169606.stm
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061121/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_minister_shot

Another Lebanon civil war in the making?

Before you point fingers and call others unintelligent or ignorant, you should be sure you know what you're talking about.

http://www.efccnigeria.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=91&Itemid=90

Last time I checked, attempting to smuggle explosives onto a plane is classed as terrorism.

Bolarge:
@Topic
Yeah,I believe u.
There's a brand new tomb in Aso Rock;freshly dug to specification for IBB.

LOL

:Rolleyes: *yawn*

ono:
It's no longer news that we have spies on this board. So I wll not disclose my ''very very reliable'' source in here. Sorry.

BWUHAHAHAHA! It's true what they say. The internet makes people feel important.

Section 109(1) of the constitution.
http://www.nigeria-law.org/ConstitutionOfTheFederalRepublicOfNigeria.htm

109. (1) A member of a House of Assembly shall vacate his seat in the House if -

(a) he becomes a member of another legislative house;

(b) any other circumstances arise that, if he were not a member of that House, would cause him to be disqualified for election as such a member;

(c) he ceases to be a citizen of Nigeria;

(d) he becomes President, Vice-President, Governor, Deputy Governor or a Minister of the Government of the Federation or a Commissioner of the Government of a State or a Special Adviser;

(e) save as otherwise prescribed by this Constitution, he becomes a member of a commission or other body established by this Constitution or by any other law;

(f) without just cause he is absent from meetings of the House of Assembly for a period amounting in the aggregate to more than one-third of the total number of days during which the House meets in any one year;

(g) being a person whose election to the House of Assembly was sponsored by a political party, he becomes a member of another political party before the expiration of the period for which that House was elected:

Provided that his membership of the latter political party is not as a result of a division in the political party of which he was previously a member or of a merger of two or more political parties or factions by one of which he was previously sponsored; or

(h) the Speaker of the House of Assembly receives a certificate under the hand of the Chairman of the Independent National Electoral Commission stating that the provisions of section 110 of this Constitution have been complied with in respect of the recall of the member.

What has this got to do with politics?

Well said Iyke-D.