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damidam:
It causes depression for those that want it to depress them....because 90% of what is on social media is a joke, a big joke!

True! It's causes depression for those who are still childish and don't like to face reality.

963AvatarSpirit:
Stop wasting your time with Religions. Though they have infused some level of truism on the doctrines, the designers of the religions are business men who took mind control to a whole new level.

Let US make man in OUR image indicates a civilization of Humans who came here to populate this world with their biogenetic copies. Adam was a test tube baby, Eve was cloned from Adam's Stem cells. The pair were programmed to populate the world through reproduction.

At the moment we are also populating other planets. We are also Gods now except you ignorant Africans who embrace Religions as if you have no common sense of yours.

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Where is the proof?

I have said this before. For these christians, it's not about what's true but about their feelings and convenience. They want to, at all cost, believe in their bullshit yet what it to suit the "present" facts and moral norms so it can be shown to true and they can practice it conveniently. It's the case where you see someone who calls herself a Muslim feminist. Like seriously?

XxSabrinaxX:
Cultural Christians are just atheists that value the Bible or their cultural norms. Calling religion a metaphor (particularly where it can't be defended, rationalize, justified, downplayed, or ignored) just weakens theism overall, in exchange for dismissing criticism and invalidating scrutiny.

Here is a problem with religion being called a metaphor (namely by apologists), that no one seems to acknowledge or realize. Being culturally Christian (in I would say a conventional sense) is the same as being an atheist (whether agnostic or gnostic) who emphasizes value of the Bible (this applies to other religions as well of course, such as Islam). After all, most often when someone says that they are culturally religious, they are saying that they don't actually, genuinely believe in a literal God (which makes them admitted atheists) but they act as if they do. It doesn't matter if they don't like being called atheist, the term still (technically) applies. Also, if parts of your religion are increasingly becoming metaphorical over generations isn't that a sign that it's declining / receding?

Also, aren't people who believe religion is just a metaphor basically atheists?

Like they can call themselves "culturally Christian" (they don't actually genuinely believe in God but they act as if they do) but unless they genuinely believe in a literal God, then you can also call them "atheists who value the Bible", and isn't this a bad thing for (Christian) theism long term? They're usually agnostic atheists sure (as opposed to gnostic atheists), but they're atheist nonetheless. As I've mentioned, term atheist (technically) applies whether they like it or not.

Furthermore, calling parts of the bible metaphorical (for whatever reason) doesn't actually solve issues with the bible, and as mentioned, weakens theism (a genuine belief in a literal God). Calling Christianity a metaphor may net you less criticism and scrutiny of Christianity but in exchange the tactic is actually encouraging an atheism that values Christianity without actually solving issues in the bible that tend to cause people to become atheist.

Lastly isn't it more likely the case that parts of the bible become more metaphorical as they can increasingly no longer be defended or reconciled (whether by an entire christian denomination or an individual believer) and also, this begs the question, "...a metaphor for what?" Which itself prompts one to ask, "whose interpretation is correct?" (metaphorical or literal).

And isn't it a bit disingenuous to say that anyone taking any particularly part of the bible as literal is being ridiculous? After all, the person reading the text literally has an inherent advantage in their interpretation as they have to justify it less. Besides, Christianity in pass was much more fundamentalist as a whole than it is now (which indicates a decline in the belief). After all, Christians individually and collectively (and in between) have, do, and will take different parts of the bible literally and others as a metaphor. What I am saying is, if at some point something was generally accepted as literal, but as generations past and it is revealed to be barbaric, ignorant, etc., and it become a metaphor, does this not call into question the validity of the religion?

Like imagine doing that with more central doctrine like the resurrection of Jesus, or the existence of God itself. Imagine if you said those were just metaphors and no Christian actually believes in them literally and anyone who thinks that Christians believe that Jesus literally rose from the dead and that God actually exists were being ridiculous, uncharitable, ignorant, or disingenous? Not only is it disrespectful, it's not true. And if that ever becomes the general doctrine, wouldn't that too at that point be an implicit admission that belief in God (and other central doctrine) is irrational?

Well that's how it comes off when you call religion metaphorical; like an implicit admission of irrationality and atheism.

What are your thoughts on all this?

Cc budaatum, HellVictorinho, LordReed, TheArranger, Dantedasz, MhizAngel99, truefact, elated177, Vic2Ree, TATIME, frosbel2, solite3, sonmvayina

P.S. To cut down on strawmen or misunderstandings before they crop up. I don't think all Christians of the past took all of the bible literally (though they generally took more of it literally than today). Just saying.

https://www.nairaland.com/4689052/problem-being-moderate-christian-muslim




*) Here, I tackled one of such dishonest christian. I had to stop posting because I got banned.

https://www.nairaland.com/4920057/dishonest-ignorant-paxonel-calling-him

megareal:
I hate spouses who go to the extreme to hurt another just to have their way.

you well so?

henryobinna:
low self esteem?

This world is getting f...ucked the more and I feel very sorry for the kind of men we're 'raising' today.
Women are becoming men while the idiots who were born men are there turning their selves to sissies and little pu...ssies all in the name of equality and all that bullshi..t

You think faithfulness is all there is to marriage, if you don't know a woman who wouldn't be submissive To you would start cheating if the opportunity presents itself in a very easy manner.

Men are being emasculated while the women the opposite, they call it different fancy names like 'women/girls empowerment' to appeal to sissies like you.

Soon you'll be told to assume the position of the wife at home, I guess you'll quickly say 'thank you man for your kindness'

This man should gradually start her a small business but all assest etc in his name, the moment she starts all her nonsenses he should give her a hint he owns the business

Don't that transgender male. A soyboy that disgraces his gender.

kunleweb:
Now here's a fellow wise brother. He did what was done to Sule Sanusi Lamido to her. Simply put,its the Lamido treatment.

Correct guy! Nairaland girls should be feared.

Dunnytt:
All this nairaland's feminist should come out now ooooo and support this woman,by helping her to raise funds for her to start business again at least she don follow una advice.

iffa hear. Person wey husband help am for scratch dey form Mrs. Independent for her husband. Just imagine.

izaray:
Lol, i read it also on Facebook, but the man went too far na if you ask me

No he didn't. When one challenges the hands that built one, one's wings have to be cut for humility to be attained again. That's the only way. Nothing would have humbled the woman except what he did.

I planned a very long story but I stopped tagging people since my story is long and maybe "boring." I don't want to disturb people's mentions . If you are somehow still interested, you can follow. I will release more chapters when I am free. Man is busy.

NB: if you are not a bible scholar, you will most likely not understand my story.

Immanuels7:
Wow.. thats true. but ask yourself, why is it that even after Paul Enenche built 100,000 seater church auditorium, it us still not enough as thousands more still troop to that church! It can only be God!

There have always been atheists, the sudden spread of Internet suddenly made it look like a lot of people are leaving christianity everyday. Though the Internet made more people leave but it's not as much as it seems. People are still foolish today.

NB: this is fiction and it's under no obligation to conform with reality.

CHAPTER FIVE : ready made answers Part 2 & the confrontation plan.

Their two hours break had elapsed and they resumed their discussion. Zadok, while eating, came up with an idea that he wanted to discuss with his friends. That idea is the concept of eternal reward and punishment in the afterlife and Zadok hoped that it could be an effective tool in further binding the people's minds to their belief system. They sat down to round off their discussion so that they could confront the people as soon as possible.

MATTAN : well friends, I think we have laid the basic foundation of our belief system and it's quite a concrete one at that. I think we are now ready to confront the people. First, this is how we are going to go about it, we shall ...

ZADOK : (coughs and interrupts Mattan) erm, I have an idea I wish to share with you, an idea I think would greatly help our cause in the long run.

MATTAN & ACHIM : (alert, amazed and curious)

MATTAN : what could it be? I would very much like to hear it, do tell us.

ZADOK : it's the concept of eternal punishment and reward in the afterlife. Why don't we make it so that when people die, their souls end up in either of two places in the afterlife: a place of eternal reward and a place of eternal punishment. Those that go to the place of eternal reward after they die are those who commited themselves to doing the creator's will and believed him during their earthly lives and those that go to the place to eternal punishment are those who did not believe in our creator and did not follow his will. These concepts, especially that of eternal punishment, will motivate and frighten the people to be steadfast in the ways of our creator. What says you guys?

ACHIM : wow! that's a good one. That would obviously work but we have to perfectly describe both places. What could be the most rewarding place of eternal reward? A place so rewarding that the people would really want to go to in the afterlife? What could be the most horrifying place of eternal punishment? A place so scary and frightening that people would really want to avoid? I am sure that you, Zadok, have that figured out.

ZADOK : not at all, I was hoping Mattan's brilliance would come into play here. What says you, Mattan?

MATTAN : (smiling, amazed and impressed) your plan is a fantastic one indeed and would really be helpful in the long run. I think I have an idea. What could be better than living in a perfect world? A world free from suffering, diseases, infirmities, wars and other imperfections of our present world? This is the fancy of the people, isn't it? To make it even better, that place shall be the abode of the creator. Since the creator stays in the unseen world and the unseen world is above the sky, that perfect abode in which they shall live forever after they die is above the sky. That's the people's ultimate heaven, what could beat that?

ZADOK & ACHIM : (applaud Mattan)

ZADOK : (laughing) wow! I didn't see that coming. Mattan is always up to the task. What about the place of eternal punishment? I am sure you have something in store for the people.

MATTAN : Of course. We do the reverse by simply appealing to the people's fear and sense of horror. The place of eternal punishment shall be a place of horror, torture, torment, fright and unspeakable anguish. That's the people's ultimate hell. That place shall be a place of fire, burning sulphur and other unspeakables. To spice it up, there shall be monsters, monsters so horrible in sight, so evil and are responsible for torturing damned souls. These monsters are armed with various brutal weapons of torture and shall employ any brutal technique of horror and torture possible. The fire shall only be damaging and painful to the damned souls.

ACHIM : a great idea but there is a problem. Where do these monsters originate from? How could a loving creator create these monsters? Why couldn't he forgive the sins of the damned souls? Isn't eternal punishment unjust for a crime committed for less than a century? Since the place of eternal punishment is in the unseen world and therefore above the sky, it means it must be located in the abode of the creator, how could he condone and behold such place of horror given that he is a loving creator? How do you fix that? It's best to fix this rather than discarding such useful concept.

MATTAN : (pauses and thinks deeply) well, I doubt people would ask but it's best we make our belief system logically consistent as much as possible. I have an idea. Let it be that the monsters were former servants of the creator and they fell after taking sides with the Evil One in an epic battle in the people's ultimate heaven.

ZADOK : so an all powerful creator had servants to begin with? What is an all powerful being doing with servants anyway? What are the servants meant to do that the all powerful creator couldn't do for himself by simply snapping his fingers? Now that all his servants have rebelled, who shall be his servant to do what the former servants were doing? Did he make them all ugly and horrific to look at?

MATTAN : (unfazed) well, he is the creator and he can do anything he likes.

ALL THREE : (burst into laughter)

MATTAN : on a serious note, we shall say not all the servants rebelled against him, two-thirds remained loyal while the rest , with the Evil One, were cast down from heaven to a place on earth far below the ground. It's impossible for a man to dig the soil to get there and that place, below the ground, in the place of eternal punishment. Besides, the loving creator didn't create it for the people he loves instead he created it for the fallen servants and the creator doesn't send anyone to the place of eternal punishment instead people choose to go there by defying his will and refusing to believe in him. The servants are created to praise him and do his biddings. They send the message the creator has for his people to the people and they protect the people. It's just like the case of our king. Besides, the fallen servants, just like all servants were all created, at the very beginning, great in beauty and glory and they lost it during their rebellion as a form of punishment. This should settle it and anything else is as the wise creator wills it. Anything else? If there is none, we shall plan our confrontation with the crowd.

ZADOK : (deeply satisfied) there is nothing else, you have done a great job as always. As our discussion progressed, my dream of becoming a leader of crowds gets more realistic and feasible. Achim, do you have anything you wish to add and have us examine?

ACHIM (thinks deeply) I don't have anything for now. Please, let's proceed to how we are going to confronting the people. I have always looked forward to this part. I can't wait to be a leader of crowds.

MATTAN : we shall, first of all, document our belief system in a systematic way and then we shall confront the people. When are the people together, free to have time for us and unguarded?

ACHIM : obviously on the two work free days. The lower class worshippers, who are the majority, all go together, everyday, to the other lower mountains to worship their various objects of worship while the royal family, all soldiers and elites go to the highest mountain known to us. The lower class are left to move alone and unguarded since there are no soldiers to guide them. They therefore all move together with weapons against wild animals and ambush from crooked and vile men. When they get to the foot of the mountain closest to the the main river, they part ways to their various prayer grounds. Exactly forty minutes after foolishly praying to and appeasing their various objects of worship, they all converge at the foot of the mountain and head home to do what ever they please.

MATTAN : well, we shall plan to confront them on the next first work free day. After we confront them when they are through with their prayers and are heading home and communicate our belief system to them, they shall use the second work free day to spread, gossip and gist about our belief system rather than have preparations for the next working/labour day occupying their minds and leaving them with not much time for us and our doctrines. I predict a large hysteria on those two work free days but we have a lot of preparations to do and we must be wise during the confrontation. First, I have saved silver to acquire writing materials but it wouldn't be enough. Would you guys care to contribute?

ZADOK & ACHIM : (eagerly) yes we will!

ZADOK : in fact, I know were to get them at a very cheap price.

MATTAN : very well then, you will be in charge of getting the writing materials for us. You can collect money from Achim. (brings out his silver and hands it over to Zadok).

ACHIM : what about the King, shouldn't we be worried about him? If he finds out that we are defying his sacred beliefs, we shall be put to death.

MATTAN : leave it to me, I know how to handle it. That's why we shall target the unguarded majority first. I guess we can call it a day.

ZADOK : just asking, how do the creator's servant deliver messages to the people given that they are up there?

MATTAN : (laughs) would the people ever ask that? Well, you would notice that only certain living beings can ascend way above the greatest mountain known to us and they all have one thing in common -- wings! It's obvious that their wings are what make them fly and similarly, the creator's servants have wings at their backs that help them fly from above the sky to earth to deliver the creator's messages and do his biddings. There are other more logical explanations but this is intuitive and dramatic. Any more questions?

ZADOK & ACHIM : (burst into laughter) no more questions!

MATTAN : let's call it day. It's very late and we must sleep so that we can be fresh for tomorrow's labour and move on with our preparation.

ALL THREE : (bid each other goodnight)

francis247:
OP, you did a very stupid thing, accept it and move on. The day you placed that bet was the very day you lost her. What were you thinking would come out it? She was your girlfriend not your wife. Even if she had not fallen for your friend, the relationship would most likely still have ended. No sensible girl will stay with a guy who would place a bet on her to test her loyalty because as far as she's concerned, her guy doesn't trust her. If she fails the test, which she did, the relationship will still witness an untimely demise.

You bet on FC Barcelona because you trust them to win not because you don't trust them . If he didn't trust his girlfriend, he wouldn't have put his money on the line instead he would have called/paid someone to investigate his girlfriend. What are you saying? Are you a transgender male or a soyboy?

Skengman:
Seriously. I just wonder what’s in their heads.


#betonyourgirlfriend

Breast milk and buttocks fat.

#betonyourgirlfriend

Skengman:
Lol it’s hard to believe that this thread is still alive and the loose women are regrouping

Don't mind them. Who wouldn't want to cover up themselves. Notice how none of them condemned the cheating gf. None of them even mentioned it. You know Buhari can't condemn Buhari.

#betonyourgirlfriend

It's okay to love one more than the other as long as you give all equal treatment. My dad loved my junior brother more despite me being the first born because my junior brother had his exact body framework and posture. It was obvious but it didn't matter since we all got equal treatment.

It seems parents feel more connected to children that resemble physically and personally.

Cgpa na bastard. Only very very very few people can get first class after being in that position. Those that can are exceptionally brilliant ones that were unserious at the beginning but caught themselves early and fixed things.

NwanyiAwkaetiti:
If this is true then u are a very stupid being. I pray d friend hands you their wedding invitation dumb morafacka

He is not dumb, the bet is a blessing as it enabled him dodge a bullet. Why should he be bothered if his cheating ex and friend present their wedding invitation afterwards? Should he cry that he missed his chance of marrying a cheat? Samysmoothfresh, nothing do you carry go.

As I have said, boy on this thread should wise up. Look at how girls on this thread are condemning the Op and are trying, in various subtle ways, to discourage us from betting on our gfs because they know their hands are not cleans. If I can't vouch for your faithfulness at the expense of my money and be proven correct then you are not a worthy girlfriend and there is no use being in the relationship. Besides, why are girls not condemning the cheating girlfriend? Well, Buhari can't condemn Buhari. Look at the way they are calling the op a gambler, from the perspectives of the op, he knew his girlfriend wouldn't cheat and that bet was free money to him, so why not? You people should stop making it sound like he used her, like a commodity that he owns, to bet and stood a chance of losing her to someone's ownership on a bet he wasn't sure of. *spits* NwanyiAwkaetiti of all people.

Nothing can stop we boys from betting. In fact, we will keep on betting and betting and fishing these unworthy h0es out. Boys take note, don't let any girl bully you into not betting.

janettee:
If I could like this post a thousand times. Well written and I agree with you.

It's always laughable when some feminists describe themselves as 'christain feminists'. I mean why align yourself with a religion that doesn't give a fvck about your gender?. I've also seen some of them claiming god is a woman which is the funniest part ..

The worst I have ever seen is a Muslim feminist. It is just like someone saying he is a socialist capitalist.

Typical of certain sets of people.

johnydon22:
I disagree. It is actually a logical speculation just like the multiverse theory and the likes.
One can argue that it is naive, but logical? Yes. It is logical.

Logical speculations? No way. Let's start with the Abrahamic religions. Unlike the multiverse theory, the proponents of the Abrahamic religions don't present their religions as mere speculations but the absolute truth and when you read their holy books, it's illogical poo from beginning till the end. Illogical poo with no basis in reality.

Deism and other similar religion are more logical. What says you?

Ugosample:
a man who waited seven years for his first child will not agree with you tho.

different strokes for different folks

I agree with the last sentence. Well this is what I am talking about. Why place so much emphasis on having your biological child for many years when you can simply adopt? Are children in orphanage homes not human beings too? I despise the vanity of society in this aspect, everyone wanting to marry on time and give birth to their biological children by all means lest they feel as if they are not complete in life or they have underachieved. How can someone be crying, weeping, getting frustrated, visiting prayer houses and sowing seeds to charlatans called pastors because she/he hasn't gotten a child for 8 years when there are children in orphanage homes? Are those children not human? Marriage and giving birth to one's biological child is not a must or a goldmine and nobody should kill or strand themselves over these things.

Ugosample:
what do you mean?

When you experience it, you will know why it is very emotional (especially for first time dads)

Subsequent babies won't excite you as much as your first

Excitement and happiness and all other stuff rolled into one

Maybe it's because I haven't experienced it but I don't think I would be this emotional. I don't see how having your own biological children and getting married as some of the ultimate achievements of life one must have and if I don't have them, I have somehow failed in life. I am not saying that they are bad but it shouldn't be taken too far.

I find this unnecessarily emotional and way too emotional. Childbirth is not a bad thing but I don't get why all the emotions involved. I guess that a thing can have different meaning to different people. Good job by RoyalBlak007.

infocabal:
I swear this guy is intelligent but misdirected!!!

Heresy is 90% truth and 10% lies which changes the direction and focal of the truth.

That's what Uncle Freezer have been doing.

can you point out the 10% lies of daddy freeze in his posts?

SUGARSON:
WHAT'S THE CURRENT PRICE NOW

I think twenty something thousand, that's if it still in the market.

emitheo:
she decided to deal with the boyfriend by bleeping his friend? oh no! another stupid hoe I guess...

Don't believe this stvpid story. It didn't happen. It's just one of the various defence mechanisms we are seeing from various untrustworthy h0es on the thread only that this is a stvpid as it can get . Their plan is to discourage us from testing as they know that they are not trustworthy and will fail. You sef see am now, that story, sey e make sense?

As for me o, nothing can stop me from testing. I go dey test dey go, I go dey fish out all these bimbos one by one. Samysmoothfresh, carry go nothing do you.

ehisdan:
I pity the man that will be given bone to break after the flesh has been utilized.

Lol. Don't jump into conclusion. What if she never had sex with any of them?

emitheo:
she decided to deal with the boyfriend by bleeping his friend? oh no! another stupid hoe I guess...

Don't believe that stvpid story o. It didn't happen. It's just one of the various defence mechanisms we are seeing from various untrustworthy h0es on the thread only that this is a stvpid as it can get . Their plan is to discourage us from testing as they know that they are not trustworthy and will fail. You sef see am now, that story, sey e make sense?

As for me o, nothing can stop me from testing. I go dey test dey go, I go dey fish out all these bimbos one by one. Samysmoothfresh, carry go nothing do you.