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FirstbornWds:The game was already done and dusted for Real Madrid. Without the red card given to Cuadrado, Madrid would still have won. In Barça's case against Chelsea, Chelsea would have beaten you black and blue had the referee been fair. Btw, the referee didn't assist Madrid throughout the tournament. Even if the Ref and Madrid cheated to deny Madrid's opponents that season, it still wouldn't mean Barça deserved the 2009 ucl trophy. When Sergio Ramos "expertly" sent off Mo. Salah off against Liverpool in the UCL final, it was well worth it.There is no evidence that Sergio Ramos did such on purpose. We can only speculate and assume. Come back to that Chelsea's Match before your Semi-Final brouhaha, the Ref had on several occasions overlooked a lot of possible warnings and sending offs even against the BLUES but as expected, you'll only see the ones that Barcelona committed.This is rubbish! Those times when Ronaldo was a ruthless diver even when it was obvious he had no business playing on the floor, ( Wolfsburg's 2016 in the UCL amongst others) it was well worth it, right??Did the ref assist Madrid against Wolfsburg? Did the ref deny 4 obvious penalties to Wolfsburg? Did the ref give Ronaldo any penalty? I'll tell you, football games are more or less a love and war game. And as you know, nothing is fair in such games. Whoever encounters such luck are just the fortunate ones and so, you don't have any justification to mention Barcelona's or even affirm that they are not worthy winners, else you'll be shooting yourself in the leg.Of course, nothing is perfect in football, but it doesn't mean there can be blatant robbery and assistance from referees. The robbery against Chelsea in 2009 supersedes unfair plays like diving and time wasting. |
Is he also sleeping with your Tangent and Cosecant? ![]()
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ddippset:I hope you also clicked the link to see my argument that showed Messi is far better than Ronaldo. Glad you got my point. ![]() |
I have no sympathy for stupid boys and men, just keep suffering. When you are tired of suffering and swallowing śhit, you may then get some spine, sit up and free yourself. For now, keeping rotting in your stupidity.
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ddippset:This is a big lie! Is it that you Barca fans are liars or you guys don't remember your matches. In the 3-3 draw at Camp Nou in the 2006/07 season, Madrid were not thrashing Barça 3-0. Ruud Vanisterooy scored first then Messi scored to make it 1-1; Vanisterooy then scored a penalty before made it 2-2 after scoring from a Ronaldinho's rebound. Ramos made it 3-2 before Messi scored late to make it 3-3. Get the facts about your club right. 2. Sevilla were leading Barca 3 Nil when Messi came in with 30 minutes to go to make it 3-3.This is another lie. The game ended 2-2 at Sevilla even though Barcelona came back from a 2-0 deficit with goals from Suarez and Messi. However, that match wasn't a crucial match that Messi was needed the most and FC Barcelona would have still won the La Liga if they have lost the match. 3. A.C. Milan were lead in Barca 2-0 from the first leg when Messi came up with 2 goals and an assist in the second leg to turn it around with a 4 Nil thrashing.What part of "WAY MORE OFTEN THAN MESSI" don't you understand? That statement doesn't imply that Messi has never helped his team to comeback. Haba! You clearly haven't been following my argument since I started commenting on this thread. It seems you guys don't know the meaning of choking. You guys are also leaving out the fact that unlike Ronaldo, Messi and his teams on many occasions have bottled things up. Nothing like bounce back!Keep fooling yourself. The Liverpool comeback at Anfield is what then? There is something like comeback and there is reason why everyone regarded that semifinal as a miracle. Comebacks are amazing, and even more amazing when orchestrated by a single player. There is a reason why that Anfiels comeback and bottling up by Messi and his team painfully lingered in the memory of Barça fans for a long time until many experience revenge vicariously through Atletico Madrid when Atletico knocked out Liverpool this season. Keep fooling yourself. If there is nothing like comeback, what do you call the 6-1 victory at Camp Nou against PSG? ![]() If Liverpool were leading 3-0 in the first leg and Barca came back with Messi scoring four goals, you and other Barca would have masturbated over that and called Messi the GOAT. Maybe you guy aren't used to the Ronaldo's kind of comeback and saviour complex at crucial moments, hence you talk like this. You guys need to quit with this comeback nonsense.Messi is better than Ronaldo, but you are missing my argument. Here is my clarifying post on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/669609/fc-barcelona-fan-thread-mes/3951#87937503 My argument isn't about who is the better player. |
peterd53:Well, there is no need arguing with people who try to conflate simple defeats with the terms "choking" and "bottling up". You don't really understand these terms. "Choking" and "bottling up" don't just refer to any defeat and poor turnout from a player. The 5-0 defeat wasn't a choke or bottling up; it was a simple defeat by the the better team. FC Barcelona were the best team in the world at that time, and were almost unplayable. How can you be the best player on the planet and still choke and bottle up in matches in which you played for the better team and built huge advantages? Wasn't Argentina the better team when they faced Chile twice? They had their chances but Messi choked. In addition to building huge advantages, wasn't Barcelona the better team against Roma and Liverpool? Yet Messi choked and bottled up those matches. Way more often than Messi, Ronaldo turns up when he is needed the most, even against big teams. Also, Ronaldo rarely, if not never, chokes or bottle up things like Messi and his teammates have done on some occasions. Do you know how many times Ronaldo has masterminded comebacks or helped his team at very crucial moments when it mattered the most? Let's take the game between Real Madrid and Juventus in 2018 to explain "choking". Ronaldo was given a late minute penalty to win when the aggregate was 3-3. Had he missed, Real Madrid would have gone into extra time against a stronger Juventus; Had he scored, which he did, Real Madrid would have qualified instead of the resurgent Juve. If he had missed, we could have said he "choked.'' |
ddippset:All players and teams cannot win every match but the ability to bounce back against all odds is remarkable. Don't act dumb on this. Any player that has repeatedly brought his team out of a hopeless situation is remarkable in indeed. As I have said, way more often than Messi, Ronaldo turns up when he is needed the most, even against big teams. Also, Ronaldo rarely chokes or bottle up things like Messi and his teammates have done on some occasions. What may try to downplay the remarkable feat of a player masterminding a comeback against all odds, but has that player bottled up penalties that cost his national team two continental cup finals? Has that player ever been in a team that bottled up, more than once, huge leads and cost his team crashed out? In those moments, Ronaldo does not fail... ever. Even if Ronaldo loses a match, he wouldn't choke or bottle things up. Good night. |
Htop:You ought to have dumped her. The evidence that she is cheating is clear and staring at you in the face but you are stupid enough to believe "it's nothing." She claims she is pregnant yet she is seeing her menses, what other evidence do you need that she is a liar? Stop following your feelings and start using your head jare! ![]() |
Htop: If you use your brain, will you die? |
peterd53:It's not my fault that you don't understand my argument. No one is saying Messi hasn't performed against big teams; and no one is saying Ronaldo hasn't lost matches against big teams. What is wrong with you people? Can't you guys logically follow arguments? All I am saying is way more often than Messi, Ronaldo turns up when he is needed the most, even against big teams. Also, Ronaldo rarely chokes or bottle up things like Messi and his teammates have done on some occasions. Ronaldo has done this more frequently that football fans associate him with the big occasion and the man to call upon when the team needs a saviour. In all the matches you and the other guy claimed Ronaldo choked, Ronaldo's team ended up winning. At least if Messi will choke, let his choking not give his team a defeat. Ronaldo has never choked and got defeated. Even against Chelsea, he scored in the match and Man Utd ended up winning. Wer was ur mcm when Messi led Barca team trash u madridiot 5-0,4-0 ? He couldn’t even threaten the keeperHe didn't choke or bottle anything. Barça were simply the better side in those El Clasicos. By the way, Messi didn't lead Barça to win 4-0 at the Bernabeu, he didn't even score. Messi came as a sub in that match after Barcelona were 3-0 ahead (I think). Madrid's poor performance was due to Rafael Benitez. When he left and Zidane came, didn't Ronaldo score the winning goal at Camp Nou that same season in a 2-1 victory? Where was Messi? Messi didn't even score in the 5-0 victory, but he performed well just like others. You’re talking about comebacks as if it’s a new tin. Messi has done more comebacks in d ucl dan PenaldoStop lying. In 2011, Barcelona won 3-1 after losing 2-1 to Arsenal at the Emirates Stadium. Messi scored two goals. Before that, an unfair red card was given to Van Persie early in the second leg before Barcelona scored all their goals. Van Persie was causing a lot of problems for Barça's defence. It was in 2010 that Messi scored four against Arsenal. Before that awesome display at Camp Nou, Barcelona drew 2-2 with Arsenal at the Emirates Stadium. Funny enough, Arsenal did a comeback after Ibrahimovic scored twice to make it 2-0. There was no comeback. Finally, Messi choking has cost his teams on many occasion, and he has bottled up a lot leading to his team's downfall. Same can't be said of Ronaldo. Also, Ronaldo, way more than Messi, has resurrected his team against tough opponents when all hope was lost, and when he was needed the most. We can agree to disagree. I won't argue with you again. |
Meeyankee:It's not my fault that you don't understand my argument. No one is saying Messi hasn't performed against big teams; and no one is saying Ronaldo hasn't lost matches against big teams. What is wrong with you people? Can't you guys logically follow arguments? All I am saying is way more often than Messi, Ronaldo turns up when he is needed the most, even against big teams. Also, Ronaldo rare chokes or bottle up things like Messi and his teammates have done on some occasions. Nevertheless, in terms of talent and individual ability, Messi is better than Ronaldo and every other player on planet Earth. |
peterd53:After the red card given to Pepe, the sending off of Jose Mourinho to the spectator stand, and the theatrics of Barça players that got a lot of Madrid players yellow cards, what were you expecting? Messi was being Messi, and those two goals came after the whole thing. I guess Barça needed these tactics because they were a bit scared of Madrid since Madrid were no longer being dominated by them, and Madrid just defeated them in the Copa Del Rey final. |
Meeyankee:Chelsea were not waiting for a penalty. Even if they were, it still doesn't justify the robbery. The referee ignored four clear penalties that could have sent Barça out of the ucl. It's like you didn't watch the match. As for the ucl El Clasico, it's clear you didn't watch the match; if you did, you would be able to understand. I am not biased against Messi and FC Barcelona. I have said severally on this forum that Messi is a better player than Ronaldo. The main argument on this thread was on whether Ronaldo is a big game player and if he shows up when his team needs him the most. Ronaldo, way more often than Messi, shows up in big games and when his team needs him the most. Also, Ronaldo and his teams don't choke and bottle up like Messi and his teams have done. I AM OBJECTIVE; I DON'T DO SENTIMENTS. JUST SAY YOU DON'T LIKE THE TRUTHS I HAVE BEEN DISHING OUT ON THIS THREAD.
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The parents should be flogged seriously. |
Meeyankee:••• Barcelona didn't deserve the 2009 ucl trophy. They cheated Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in the semifinal. ••• Barcelona didn't deserve the 2011 ucl trophy. They cheated Real Madrid CF in the semifinal at Santiago Bernabeu with their theatrics and referee's assistance. The only one they deserved is the 2015 ucl trophy. |
ddippset:Stop being dishonest. We all know that players do lose games and have a bad form in certain matches, but do you know what it means to choke? Can Ronaldo be in a team and his opponent will comeback from a 3-0 deficit? Can Ronaldo be in a team and AS Roma will overturn a 4-1 deficit? Can Ronaldo miss penalties that will cost Even though both players are match winners, we have seen Ronaldo resurrect his team when all hope seems lost way more often than Messi those. Against Wolfsburg, Ronaldo singlehandedly came resurrected Madrid after a 2-0 loss in the first leg. He did the same for Juventus against Atletico Madrid. He didn't fumble when taking that late minute penalty against Juventus in 2018 to see Madrid through. Stop swinging this around like an eediot. Ronaldo might have lost matches, but he has never choked. Never.* Euro 2004 final birthed his magical art of disappearance. Against Greece.Was Ronaldo the GOAT at that time? Has he reached GOAT level in 2004? Btw, his performance wasn't poor in that match unlike Messi when Messi chokes. * World Cup 2010. Flopped against Brazil and Ivory Coast. Got his mojo and scored one against North KoreaBoth players had a poor performance. Messi couldn't manage a goal in the 2010 world cup. Tevez, Higuain and the rest were carrying Argentina along. * Euro 2012 again Spain. When it "mattered most" against Spain he was waitng for last penalty to take all the glory as he choked again through the match and Portugal got knockout.The Spanish side were the best team in the world at that time, and they were almost unplayable. Portugal were the only team to squeeze a draw from them, but penalty is a game of luck. Ronaldo waiting to take the winning penalty isn't a bad thing, teams have done that with their best players during a penalty shootout... winning pk is reserved for the best player. We saw that when Didier Drogba took the winning pk against Bayern Munich in the 2012 ucl final. * World Cup 2014. Choked through the group stage and when it "mattered most" against against USA. Needed to win to qualify but the big game player; he choked again. Portugal went home.He didn't choke. * Euro 2016. Portugal's biggest game ever! He was missing for 28 minutes. Portugal win the biggest game in it's history without Ronaldo.He was injured in the final after a collision and had to be taken off, how was it his fault? Have you forgotten that Ronaldo's goals in the group stages prevented Portugal from elimination during the group stages? * World Cup 2018. Against Uruguay "When it mattered most" He was lost. Disappeared again!Was his performance poor? It just one of those matches lost. You will never see Ronaldo choke and bottle up an advantage. You need to understand what choking and bottling up means. * Confederations Cup 2017. Against Chile in the Semi final. Ronaldo was as anonymous as the dude who donated 10 million in my church last month.Lol. * UEFA Nation's league. Portugal got to the semi final and Ronaldo didn't kick a ball to get them there. But when it mattered most in the final against Holland, Ronaldo waka only am.You conveniently left out the fact that Ronaldo played in the semifinal where he scored a hat trick against Switzerland to give Portugal a 3 - 1 victory. Switzerland were the better side but Ronaldo made the difference. * 2008 UCL final when it mattered most against Chelsea, we nor see Ronaldo.Are you serious? Ronaldo scored against Chelsea in that match. Man Utd ended up winning the final. Where is the choking and bottling up here?* 2009 UCL final against Barca Ronaldo choked. Doubt he even touched the ball after 20 minutes.Ronaldo didn't choke or bottle anything, and his performance wasn't bad. * 2011 UCL semi final against Madrid, Ronaldo choked again when Madrid needed him the most.You mean against FC Barcelona? In the first leg at the Bernabeu, Madrid were robbed by the referee and the theatrics of Barça players. * 2013 Copa del Rey final against Athletico, the most significant thing he did all night was get sent off after kicking out. In a game when it mattered most!Ronaldo scored Madrid's only goal in that 2-1 defeat. He got sent early. * 2014 UCL final against Athletico. Me Ronaldo was lost for 90 minutes until Ramos saved Madrid.Where is the choking and bottling up here? Ronaldo scored a penalty in that final and Madrid won. This is not the first time you are calling Ronaldo out for "choking" in a game he scored in, and his team won. ![]() * 2016 UCL final, the only thing he did all night was live up to his name and score a penalty.The penalty won Madrid the cup. Remember that Ronaldo was fieled while injured. If carrying the pressure of a winning penalty is easy, why did Messi choke against Chile twice? Once again, you are calling Ronaldo out for "choking" in a match he helped his team win. ![]() * 2018 UCL final, In Madrid's biggest game of the season against Liverpool, Ronaldo choked again when it mattered most. Bale saved the day!Once again, you are calling Ronaldo out for "choking" in a match his team won. His performance on that final wasn't bad, he just happened not to score. * 2019 UCL against Ajax when it mattered most for Juve who had become traditional semi finalists, Ronaldo choked against Ajax in the second leg, lost a glorious chances to score and they got booted out in the QF.Before that match, Ronaldo helped Juventus overturn a 2-0 first leg deficit against Atletico Madrid. Against Ajax, Ronaldo scored all Juventus's goals in the 3-2 aggregate lose. Didn't he try? ![]() * 2019 Copa Italia. Ronaldo choked again as Juve lost to Lazio in the final "when It mattered most."I can give you this one. Oga Messi is the biggest choker in world football. Agreed!No one is saying Ronaldo doesn't fumble. It all boils down to the fact that Ronaldo, way more often than Messi, turns up when it matters most even in big games. pu7pl3 |
pu7pl3:Even in the 2012 ucl match against AC Milan at Camp Nou, Milan were robbed in a 3-1 defeat. In the 2011 round of 16 against Arsenal at Camp Nou, we all saw the unfair red card given to Van Persie. What about Suarez's dive and the resulting penalty during the 6-1 comeback against PSG? ![]() |
CsRockefeller:You get time to argue. Ladies will always have each others back and help each other with excuses and "what-ifs" when it comes to manipulating and fleecing men. |
FatherBona:If you accept her back, you will be a great simp. |
funmisticqueen2:I wasn't laughing at people in need. Obviously, I was only taunting and mocking those opening fake giveaway threads. You know this, but your are just playing dumb and going emotional. Carry your wahala dey go. Good day. |
funmisticqueen2:Isn't your iq sufficient enough to know this thread is a parody of the avalanche of fake giveaway threads witnessed some days ago? |
Go siddon my friend. |
Romangalactic:Hell no! |
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BigJoe19:That's true. I will release more topics very soon. |
sexylassie2:Good day. |
sexylassie2:Redpill men don't insult women and single moms. We just say the truth as it is. If you don't like something, it's alright but don't call it insult, hatred, and bigotry. Good day. |
sexylassie2:Then don't compel others to do to prove they aren't broke. The moment people start giving to prove they aren't broke and they are richer than their neighbour, it is no longer charity. It then becomes a selfish game of ego. Let's all celebrate pocohantãs's kindness in peace without using it to pull a group of men down. Even if Ubunja and all redpill came to beg, which we didn't, it wouldn't invalidate our messages. Being redpill has nothing to do with one's financial situation the same way being a Christian, or Muslim, has nothing to do with one's financial situation. Just like Christianity, the redpill is a set of ideas, and one becomes redpill simply by accepting those ideas. |
sexylassie2:Nothing. I don't just do charity. I am the "everyman for himself" guy. By the way, why haven't you done for the ladies? What's stopping you? |
MZrapper:It funny how you are confident that every redpill male is a broke freebasics user. Sorry to disappoint you, I am not that broke that I have to rely solely on freebasics.com for my internet use. The picture below is my data consumption for this month. You can click on the link to see my February consumption in another thread https://www.nairaland.com/5713043/screenshot-post-data-usage-month/3#87081791 ![]()
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sexylassie2:Why not do for the ladies then? Are ladies "alfa males"? |
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You clearly haven't been following my argument since I started commenting on this thread. 
