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Ibb misruled dis country as a youth he shld pls leave d country 4 us, wen he stepped in he wasn't as xposed as Jonathan or Fashola is, among many others who are willin 2 take dis nation 2 d nxt level if he has any love 4 dis nation nd wants 2 redeem his image he shld remain as a godfather nd support somone who can bring d desired change even if its against d wish of d PDP nd d north den he wld hav redeemed his image

@mikeansy I totally disagree wit u on Buhari, Buhari threw all corrupt individuals into jail 4 record terms witout fear or favor politicians frm his side of d country who were found guilty were jailed d same way other politicians from oda parts of d country, if Babaginda had allowed Buhari mayb anoda 2yrs 2 continue with his reorientation nd den handova 2 a democratic govt corruption wld not be as pronounced as it is 2day because corrupt individuals lik IBB may hav ended up in jail durin Buharis tenure. Today dat is wat we seek, if Alams had been sentenced 2 a 100yrs in jail plus total asset seisure includin those he had legally, if Bode George was servin 50yrs nd lost all his assets, if Tafa Balogun was sentenced 2 death by firin squad nd all his assets seized nd Ibori nd Odili were servin jail terms instead of servin restrainin injunctions on EFCC would any other govt official be adviced 2 shun corruption?

Ribadu shld head INEC, El Rufai shld b VP 2 Jonathan and we wld deliva Aso rock 2 d PDP in a credible election in 2011.

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saying that the publications exposed him to public odium, ridicule, disdain, hatred and that it had lowered his integrity in the estimation of the right thinking members of the society.




Those right thinkin people must be very few nd wld be membas of d thievin cabal, Ibori let the game begin

So are we sayin dat its just now they are realisin dat d loyal boy Jonathan has ambitions, Guess dats d price 4 underatin somebody.

@kobojunkie, I don't undastand u but since u said I shld ignore u I gues I would, but maybe u haven't heard dat anoda list of PTDF scholars, there are some youths trainin under PTDF startin on monday, if wat makes u happy is paintin govt nd Nigeria in bad light nd as a place where nothin good happens then please urself because 4 me I hav decided 2 look @ d beautiful side of life nd if govt is sendin xmilitants abroad it makes me hapi cos we ar on d rite path of endin d militancy in d ND.

@aloy gues u are right d militancy was a major headache 2 Yaradua, if d ND is got right I know he will feel fulfilled I only pray d nation wld recognise Yaradua 4 dis.

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First it was salary of N65K for doing nothing, now it is oversea training.
Sometimes, i regret wasting my time going to school from primary to Secondary to University level only for your country not to recognise you because you are not an AK 47 carrying person.
Rubbish


@spyker if there is no peace u can't even put ur qualification 2 work, but if these militants are sent out then ur qualification will come into use. The overall interest of d nation is more important than personal interest

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What about Niger delta youths who have stayed out of crime, struggling to make a decent living? Why isn't that money being spent instead on training them rather than rewarding hoodlums who blew up pipelines and stuff? Or are the militants the only INTELLIGENT minds from the area for this?

I hate to break it to you @Marvix, you cannot cut this rationally.  It does not make sense that money is being spent on training militants abroad when there are youths out there who have been responsible and would benefit more from this.






@kobojunkie, the future is more important dan d present, for d other ND youths who hav not bin carryin arms, they are educated nd trained to an extent already and with d massive development planned for d ND region will be a major employer of this set of pple, because of d relative peace bein enjoyed now in region oil coys will b able to work more hence would also need 2 employ more nd have d capacity to employ more youths.

This xmilitants hav bin recognised as heroes and they are the ones who brought attention 2 dat region and surely deserve 2 be recognised as so, if we can give houses 2 footballers who go 2 win tournaments den why won't we giv dis militants trainin 2 mak dem useful.


This shows d depth of plans this administration hav 4d nation if they can plan intl trainin for militants, we can imagine d depth of plans they have 4 d power sector, infrastructure nd other aspects of d national life.

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If you can give me a constitutional, justified and genuine reason why Yaradua has not been impeached by the PDP even after 5months of not knowing his whereabout i will quit this argument. Since you think and believed that under the present circumstances you can have the so called working country and a functional government.


Because the constitution did not say sack a president because he is sick and can't be seen.

I now c y u want 2 c him desperately, to declare him incapacitated, do u rily think any man or doc can honestly declare a man incapacitated nd wld never recover frm his ailment. U are healthy 2 day dats y u can make noise.
My own take on d issue is dat if Jonathan wants to take charge let him, nobody is stoppin him, he is just bein wise unlike u dat wld want 2 cash in on ur goodluck
Section 144 can b used 4 a man who is healthy when his cabinet are not happy with him.

@prince d pple who cook 4 Yaradua had bein there nd Jonathan has his own their pay are independent nd if u impeach Yaradua u wil bring in anoda VP who will have his own personal staff so ur arguement is neither here nor there.

If u feel that they are playin u 4 mugu den sorry abt ur shame but 4 me I don't hav any reason 2 b ashamed because it is not d president I need but a workin country under a functional govt.

Do pple on dis forum rily want dis country 2 move 4ward y all d bad belle 4 pple been sent abroad, police oficers, military personel have also bin sent abroad normally 4 trainin.


I think pple just think havin light to enjoy fan nd roads to travel to their pple in their villages is d prob of Nigeria, no wonder they never saw anythin good in Yaradua nd its not rily their fault they are d half baked graduates dis nation has produced.



4 ur info, kobojunkie,bluetooth,oyb nd co there is no place we can train pple in maritime and underwater engr process here in Nig nd most of these jobs presently are bein done by expatriates earnin a lot of money in dollars nd dis move by govt wil ensure dat wen they get back they will have good jobs with good pay which wld be beta dan wat they make as militants.

@oyb dat is d principle of d amnesty. Old things are passed away, these boys didn't hate d oil coys it was their practices nd even Yaradua acknowledged d culpability of govt and d oil coys in d crisis, so if d ex militants are properly trained then d oil coys must nd will employ them

@princekevo
There's nothin 2 be sentimental abt, wen did our leaders have 2 start copyin other leaders, dat d egyptian president just came out of surgery nd d press or whoeva can c him does not mean dat we must emulate him, if dat president has decided otherwise wld we hav xpected our president 2 behave dat way nd d circumstances surroundin both ailments are not d same so I stick 2 d sch of thot that we don't have 2 copy others hook line nd sinker.


What kind of person are u to complain dat they pay his med bills frm d resources of d nation, whoelse does he work for? I tink d hatred u hav 4 d man is just blindin ur sense of reasonin nd human sympathy.


What is d big deal abt a headline, they are only doin their job which is 2 mak sensational headlines, if u say where is Yaradua nd u say where is d president of Nigeria there is no difference nd it is not an issue.

The man believes dat he can recover Jonathan believes dat he can recover his family blives dat he can recover so y not just allow d man, where was BBC wen Babaginda was runin d nation down.

@beaf no mind all this bad belle pple is it because we hav not insisted dat PTDF scholarship shld b 4 only NDeltans graduates

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=430716.msg5896872#msg5896872 date=1271336860]what happened to the skills acquisition centres in nigeria?.are they receiving such privileges because they are trouble makers from the same region with jonathan.just a waste of fund[/quote]Can the skill acquisitions you are talkin abt give skills in Maritime and weldin technology among other critical skils required in the oil and gas business, pls dont just be a spoil sport who never sees anything good in what govt is doing, this simple move will ensure that they are truly relevant and employable.

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But seriously what on earth is going on, why can pastors and imams see Yaradua but not the acting president.


Are pastors govt officials and those the family need approval from the Ag president to allow religious leaders see their sick father and husband.

To ur question nothing is going on, a man who can barely talk, even when he was healthy is voice had always been weak, so this man who cannot really talk, but maybe can grunt something what will Jonathan or any other seriously working govt official want to see him for, is to get budget approval or deployment of troops approval?

Lets allow this man to recover and if he cant recover pls allow him to die in peace and if he has chose to die in Aso Rock let him be at least he is a better leader than Abacha, so if Abacha could die there why not Yaradua and the only person that can stop him from dying there if he choses to die there is Goodluck Jonathan.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=430716.msg5896807#msg5896807 date=1271335836]you called this idea beautiful.it is a tactic by jonathan to keep his brother out of events till after the 2011 elections so that they wont be use by desperate politicians to forment trouble and rig elections[/quote]@bluetooth, then is it not a good idea if they cant be used to rig elections.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, I gues this one reason why Farida wanted a special court for corruption, where the judges would be trained or how else those one explain a court restrainig an investigative arm from arresting a suspect just because the suspect can pay a lawyer to apply. Those looting follow any due process and how do you invite someone you cannot readilly locate.

It is a very beautiful idea if it is true. Massobians and others are free to agitate but they should please point out their resources and what those resources contribute to the economy. How much they generate.


In my opinion it should be a policy statement in this country to send indigent Nigerians who are host to major installations like the Hydropower producing areas, the Cocoa producing areas and all sorts and set up a commision who will enable the training of the people in relevant knowledge to harness the resources.

princekevo:
Infact i was very much ashame of myself watching him say this to the whole world on BBC. I began to imagin what actually is the world thinking of an average Nigerian. A president has not been seen nor spoken with for good 5months yet we see no reason to impeach him. I wonder what confidence we still have on a missing person.

snowdrops:
Shocking!!! A [vice] president has only set eyes on his boss 3 times in 6 months What about other cabinet members, top ranking parliamentarians and party members?

Pls what is there to be ashamed of or what is shocking in not seeing a man who is sick even if he is the president. Didnt you hear Jonathan when he said the family in their own thinking felt it necessary to isolate him from key officials in Govt and as a person he respects the family's wishes and I think all Nigerians really need to respect the family's wishes. Just like a good friend or employee who is sick, we would all love to see him but what can you do if his Wufe or his mother insists that no one should see him, you have to repect that mother's or wife's wishes and not because of that refuse to offer further assistance for the friend, that is what Jonathan has been doing.

illusion2:
[size=18pt]I'll prefer a 'US pawn' anyday, that'll deliver electricity,good rail network & jobs to nigerians,than a non-US pawn that steals all the money & buys property all over the world,leaving majority of Nigerians impoverished [/size]

Right on point.
What has being an American puppet to do with price of tomatoes in the public markets. pshew

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The most revealing part was where he said he could contest as VP

I gues u were under ilusion when u saw this stuff, the young man said that was what they asked him under the same circumstances in Bayelsa and he told them not to disturb him and if he can achieve nothing what will he tell Nigerians he wants to contest for, meaning dont ask about my presidential intentions at the right time I will unveil them and when I unveil them it will be backed with my achievements and chief among them would be power I mean Electricity.

Wat was d purpose of d rally? No purpose.

What was d result of d rally? No result



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“This organisation is not affiliated to any party or any person, (and) has no interest in endorsing any party or any person. We just want young people to go and exercise (their right to) vote. Just make sure that your votes are counted, the elections are free and fair; don’t leave polling booths until the process is ended and we protect our votes, with our lives if necessary,” he said.


When u don't represent any party wat do u intend to achieve, u are not endorsin any candidate but u are askin dat we defend our votes, even if d votes are for d criminals who would loot this country dry.

Let the youths be more progressive in their thoughts nd actions, in d past wen Gbenga Daniels was a student at UniLag led a protest march 2 Awolowo 2 express their support for his actions, its not just enough 2 protest but let d protest be result oriented else govs nd political leaders wld continue to shun us.

Arrestin Ibori or jailin him will not solve all our problems but we must arrest him, constant power supply cannot solve all our problems but we must solve d power problem, havin a credible election cannot assure us of d best leader but we must hav credible elections we must solve our transportation problems even though dat alone will not bring abt d end of our woes





All those complainin shld realise dat EFCCs is just one arm of d govt other arms shld do their job

I don't know wat u guyz want 2 giv Jonathan 6mths for, for me I'm lookin 4 his campaign ofc, I'm not campaignin 4 Jonathan because he can solve all d probs but my belief dat only unda a president lik Jonathan can we start practisin true democracy, because a final victory 4 Jonathan does not mean winnin 32 states, victory 4 Jonathan will ensure dat wen he under performs he can b voted out unlike Obj nd IBB who afta failures can manipulate themselves in power, Jonathan is a symbol 2 me dat nothin is impossible, if a lecturer in a back water institution in d south who is a memba of a minority tribe can within d spate of 10yrs of dis democratic xperiment rise 2 b d defacto president then y shld I not believe?

plc group:
Jonathan must contest. There are groups working for that purpose, and my dad is involved in one of the groups secretly working.

@plc let us know how we can join, this is one issue i can join a protest for and risk loosing my job

If we look at this interview which is the first interview Jonathan is granting since he got into the presidency, we will appreciate my assertion that Jonathan is indeed the grandest politician in Nigeria so far.

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I wouldn’t say they are trying to undermine me, because the laws of the land are very clear. And, of course, that is why in the first place constitution is designed for two people to be in charge of government at every time, one superior and one inferior.

The import of dis statement is deep, nobody can undermine him, nobody can use him as an errand boy like Aonaoaka and Ruma wanted to, Jonathan also admits here that two of them are incharge of govt at everytime and he is only inferior to the president not his special advisers or special ministers and this was what Jonathan tried to teach members of Yaraduas kitchen cabinet, he deliberately allowed the nation seemed to be grinding to a halt, cos nobody would impose himself on Yaradua so nobody should think of imposing on Jonathan in the name of Yaradua.

This takes tact and experience and that is y i supporty Jonathan for President come 2011

@kosovo nd bibiking wat has IBB done 2 deserve a 3rd term. Pls kosovo tell us how many yrs did GJ spend as Gov nd how many wks has he spent as president dat we are feelin him lik dis. Even if he does not do much by election time, he wld stil have spent les dan a year as president nd deserves at least 1 term of 4yrs 2 show wat he can do unlik IBB who laid d foundation of all d probs dat we kip blamin Yaradua for, probs Yaradua has bin tryin 2 solve even in his dyin days.

Let me state it here IBB laid d foundation for d failure of NITEL, NEPA, NNPC, laid d foundation of corruption, which is at d root of all our probs so do u Kosovo want him 2 com nd complete d failures of all our critical sectors and giv us a superstructure of corruption.

Na u sabi

I Abhu Marvix second d motion,

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Its really shameful to think in a country of 150 million People, the only sets of candidates some folks endorse are the same thieves who brought us to this end.


Mayb we shld campaign for u since @ least u ar one of d 150m nigerians, u dat we don't even know ur real name.

Y is it dat wen someone brings a suggestion instead of reasonin along d suggestion nd contributin a useful opinion pple just try 2 start anoda arguement. The poster here was suggestin dat if indeed d power must stay in d north and must have a retired military head of state can't we suport Abdulsalam Abubakar instead of d evil genius IBB, citin dat AA promised 2 leav @ a particular date nd left unlike IBB who took us on a jolly free ride 4 8yrs nd ended up steppin aside.
Above dat since dis man left power he has not bin asociated wit any manipulation in subsequent govts like IBB nd ObJ are known 2 do.


In my opinion dis topic deserves a good nd detailed debate and if possible find our own way of encouragin him 2 run and support him wit our campaign.

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Ibori reminded the body of series of efforts to investigate him on various allegations, all of which had come to nothing and wondered what would have necessitated another effort.
   “It is a matter of public record and judicial decisions that you have on behalf of the Attorney General vigorously investigated every aspect of our client’s tenure as governor of Delta State and failed to find any crime committed inclusive of allegations of conspiracy, official corruption, diversion and misappropriation of public funds, stealing and money laundering for the period of 29th May 1999 to 29th May, 2007.


So what is Iboris biz if EFCC wants 2 reinvestigate d case, if he had been duly cleared he shld come out again so he can b cleared again.

EFCC is paid 2 investigate so Ibori pls come out to make EFCCs job easier.