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Pls let's ask Braithwhite is every action by govt wrong nd sinister?
Imagine plans 2 bring back Ribadu is evil as it is a ploy by Obj 2 hav 3rd term thru d backdoor, can Braithwhite tell us wat was Ribadus ofence dat he shld remain @ d code of conduct tribunal.

This nations oposition just stay back nd wait 4 govt 2 act then they criticise, at d rate they are goin if d govt announces salary increase 4 workers pple lik Braithwhite will scream economic murder, if govt employs 1m graduates they will be quick 2 remind us dat there are still 10m unemployed graduates.

@bluetooth are we neva goin 2 get ova d hangover of 2007 elections, pls bluetooth in ur honest opinion was d Anambra election an improvement on d 2007 elections, and was d Anambra elections not beta dan d Ekiti rerun, if Buhari who lost elections 2ce in dis country still declares dat Nigeria is not a failed state den wat abt u.

Go nd regista nd make sure ur name is on d register den go nd vote d 2011 elections wld be a major landmark lik d 1998 elections pls don't allow IBB to b d product of dat landmark.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=20701.msg5876433#msg5876433 date=1271076187]when did you become inec spokesperson.you sound like one of ibb's sympathisers.as far as i'm concern pdp still have the machinery to win elections anywhere in nigeria save for some opposition states with a stronger strategy.the main thing here is that i'm more interested in the candidate finally nominated by the pdp since automatically,the person becomes the president.[/quote]@bluetooth, aisha is not bein INEC or IBBs spokes person but is saying that the INEC of 2010 is not the same INEC of 2007, a lot has changed and in free nd fair contests PDP is still capable of sweeping polls, so we all should go and prepare for 2011 elections by registering and getting our permanent voters card.

mikeansy:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/12/AR2010041201341.html

Like play like play, this man go carry this his devolution and true fedralism talk win over Nigerians

Like Aisha said, let all who want to vote out IBB get ready with an alternative. It is not enough to be against IBB, it is also about what we are for.

On election day their will be no slot for "against Babangida" voters.

We must identify an alternative leader with better ideas and vote for them. But for now IBB seems to be making sense.

His talk of a slimmer Federal Government is an election winner. We must either oppose his candidacy with a credible alternative or have our selves to blame.

Alternative leader has to be one person who has the clout and capacity to take on IBB either within the PDP or outside the PDP.

At this time i will encourage all other candidates to start steeping down and queing behind Jonathan this is not time for Utomi to be trying again as candidate or all those others who will not be able to win in their local govts area. they should all know that the viable option to IBB is Goodluck Jonathan and they should all encourage him.
They could all start by declaring that they would not field any candidate if Jonathan is fielded by PDP, but if the PDP gives its platform to IBB to maintain their zonin formula then the onus is on all the opposition parties to get themselves together under any kind of funny arrangement and offer Jonathan the alternative platform so we have a straight contest between Jonathan and IBB and then Jonathan will use his incumbency factor against the PDP

@ post, pls dont compare IBB with Obj, instead make that comparision btw IBB nd Goodluck Jonathan, because I prefer a spineless Goodluck to a heartless IBB

Jonathan again playing by the rules, opening up the closed files like he told his ministers, that all that they need to do their jobs are on the shelves so all they have to do is dust the files up and not start travelling up and down searching for new solutions, Adoke over to you,

this kind of thing happens when u play by the rules and Jonathan is showing that he knows how to play by the rules.

Take note that when asked to release 50m for his trip d approval was turned down that shows the technical move Jonathan adopted when Yaradua was sick by insisting that Yaradua confirms all approvals, and I guess dats y dat approval did not fly, and if u were just sacked and u are bein investigated it is a priviledge for you to be able to move freely and not bein detained. He can travel out but all that was asked his that he gets permission from the Ag president now he wants to go abt arguing abt his rights, suspected armed robbers and murderers have their rights too but those rights cannot hamper investigations.

Onlytruth:
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You may not believe it but I'm actually looking for the solution to Nigeria's problems.
You cannot have a carnival in the middle of a war. What you do first is stop the war, then you can throw a huge party.
Most people here are thinking like I was in 1998 when I was wondering why Wole Soyinka could not become president. Instead it was a criminal in jail called Obasanjo that was dusted up. That was the real Nigeria then, this is the real Nigeria now. We do not have a system that can produce an Obama. Not yet. After restructuring and some serious rectifications, we will then have an environment for that. Right now, it is utopia.
If you cannot follow this logic, I cannot help you.

Onlytruth are u sure u are truly interested in solutions for Nigeria. Allow me to put ur analogy in the right perspective, in 1998 when we were all ready to accept a national democratic president for the entire country the man in strong contention was Dr Alex Ekhueme, but in a bid to satisfy the Yorubas who felt they lost out on Abiola we brought bac Obasanjo who ended up ruinin us for 8yrs the way Ekhueme could never have done, he held us hostage in d name of bein a former military man the way Ekhueme could not have done, Now 2011, we are about to be freed from the nonsense arrangement of presidency zoning by the sickness of Yaradua we have a Dr Goodluck Jonathan who cant hold the nation hostage instead of going his way we are considering Babangida, Pls Nigerians dont let us plunge this country into further chaos, let us salvage this country for the future generation let us all volunteer to enlighten the populace that Jonathan is a better presidential material than Ibb and he will not be there to fill any sectional quota.

I am ready to stand, to contribute my finance and physical strength, this is what we need to do campaign for Jonathan so he and the nation knows that he has national and grassroot support this is more important than the campaign to sack Iwu, or Yaradua.

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You r absolutely right, our leaders; the national Assembly pple should start immediately to impeach him. It is their obligation. However, I would not accept or encourage the acting president to do anything against him, it is unconstitutional. The only constitutional move is impeaching him by the national assembly



So wen unfortunately u are sick 4 a month and ur employers serve u ur sack letter nd eviction notice frm d staff qtrs were u hav bin leavin wit ur family I gues u will be very grateful 2 them 4 doin d right thing by compoundin ur problems.



Evrybody is sayin they want to know d true state of Yaraduas health, pls can anyone explain wat they want 2 do wit d true state of his health.


Those complainin abt usin d nations money in payin his bills shld rememba dat all civil servants medical bills and their spouses nd children are picked by d govt nd a director in any ministry is entitled to fly out 4 medical treatment 4 himself or any of his children even those workin in d private sector hav their medical bills picked if it was on their employment letters and if a staff sickness is prolonged courtesy demands out of human sympathy 4 d organisation 2 support him 4 as long as they can most times companies pic d staffs medical bills nd kip payin salaries for 6mths and dis also serves as a measure of how they regard their staff, then wat wld u xpect the FG 2 do in respect of d president.


The money spent on Yaradua does not rob us of money to fix all d medical schs or teachin hospitals in d country.

Wat shld Jonathan b afraid of? He has done nothin wrong so if anybody tels him Yaradua wld b in d ofc 2moro he shld just relax nd say Thank God. Did Jonathan tell anyone dat he is prayin his boss doesn't get well.

This report does not make sense, that's y Niboro didn't ansa the reporters because they are d ones tryin 2 heat up d polity, if Yaradua wakes up by any miracle wat kind of crisis are we goin 2 hav, I can't c any and Jonathan doesn't see any, d only issue Jonathan had with d cabal is dat he can't take instructions frm them on behalf of d president, that is if d president wants anythin d president shld talk 2 him directly. So that has bin taken care of by sackin d ministas dat wanted 2 b stronga dan Jonathan so pls can d nation move forward while we expect and wait for Yaradua 2 get strong enuf to resume which cld be 2moro or May 28 2011.

@finecat I'm with u on dis, let those in support line up behind u, even if we are a minority I wld b glad if I'm sentenced to death by firin squad if I pull d trigger on IBB.

But if we must have an ex military leader must it be IBB can't we hav Abdulsalam?

D truth is dat EPCs or turnkey projects can be hyper inflated nd dis proces is d biggest way we throw away employment oportunities in our country.

A turnkey project is lik a man tryin 2 build a house nd calls an engr nd says u c dat house u built in Abuja 4 my friend build it 4 me, I'm not particular abt d cost just tell me how much d project will cost nd d amount I will giv u 2 start wit den wen u finish nd handover d key I will pay d balance. This is just like a meal ticket or blank cheque to d engr or contractor, wat shld have bin done is 4 FAAN engrs to do a detailed design nd costin of d project b4 invitin contractors to bid nd for FAAN 2 do dis they wld nid more staff in all departments nd dis goes for our Ministry of works, power and petroleum dats y wen u hear contract sums it just blows away ur head because dis style allows 4 a lot of coruption which most times can't be traced nd d contractors can lay claim 2 dat amt of profit because most times their funds is always involved so they ask u 2 pay 4 their funds which they didn't use actually nd u are incompetent to monitor or evaluate.

Our level of education is also makin it easy 4 us 2 b robbed nd dats y afta dis semi literates in d house terminate d contract it wld be later reaproved @ a higher cost wen their interests hav bin taken care of, I pray 4 Nigeria.

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hes actually in a few months done more then yar adua did in years, which isn't saying much, but i applaud he great governance. I can't think of anyone other president that was straight forward and as mature minded

I take exception 2 dat statement, pls can ikengawo tell us wat Jonathan has done dat makes him 2 hav achieved more dan Yaradua. That Jonathan can go str 2 work is because of d foundation left 2 him by Yaradua unlike wat Yaradua had frm Obj, wen Obj was leavin he left d nation in chaos nd wen Yaradua came in he was confronted wit crisis all ova nd till today its d crisis Obj left we are still tryin 2 tackle. Yaradua has always been known 2 adhere 2 d rule of law dat was y Jonathan was able 2 wait patiently while the nation stabilized due 2 d crisis generated by Yaraduas illness. The elections bein beta is atributable 2 d disposition of Yaradua 2 elections rather dan Jonathans actions as Ag president nd if u want 2 compare Jonathans tenure to Yaraduas tenure, u hav missed d mark because its actually Yaraduas tenure nd Jonathan is only executin Yaraduas plans nd blueprints, most of wat Jonathan is doin is wat Yaradua had planned 2 do.

On d ministerial apointment, does anyone think dat Diezani is a beta choice 2 Ogiewonyi in petroleum nd even if she was 2 b given petroleum y not b assisted by Ogiewonyi, by d way wat is Ogiewonyi doin in works nd wat is Daggash level of technocracy to be in Ministry of works, Daggash frm his antecedents is a lazy person dats y he left d senate, came 2 d exec nd was causin prob 4 d president nd d senate president by not doin his homework properly, left 2 me Lawal is a beta hand @ dat ministry dan Daggash can be, its only a mata of time b4 Jonathan drops him, he has already started comin late 4 meetings, and is Diezani not frm Jonathans state y didn't he giv Ajumogobia petroleum since he had bin there can't we put dat as ethnic bias how technical or technocratic is Adetokunbo 2 mak him Defence minister nd y bring Yaradua frm d bankin sector nd make him miniata of state Defence. This is not sayin dat all d apointments made were wrong but dat tribal sentiments can b found wit Jonathan as well as square pegs in round holes syndrome.

I don't agree wit d post eventhough I'm in love with his style so far, I wld rather join d sch of thot dat its to early 2 rate him, and most of his achievements can nd shld be atributed 2 Yaradua.

I think knowall is d person they were referin 2 wen dey said he who does not know but thinks dat he knows, Pls spare us all ur jargons 4 ur info a sick Yaradua is better dan IBB in any form, military coups are already alien 2 us, our democracy is no longer young it has matured and dat was y it survived d recent crisis.


For all those who will want 2 eat me because of my coment dat d sick Yaradua is beta dan IBB shld pls do a detailed research nd compare Yaraduas 3yr rule nd IBBs 8yr rule. In my opinion if IBB did half of wat Yaradua has done in d last 3yrs we won't b complainin abt somtins we are complainin abt 2day.

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Most women would choose their husbands to power and wealth - try putting the question to women on this forum. If i am very sick, my wife would be so affected that she would not care about anything else, she usually sleeps in the hospital until i am discharged.

Losing power should not be the end of life for Turai, after all the Husband was about to retire before being drafted into the presidency by OBJ. If his health is in Jeopardy, the most reasonable thing to do is to take care of his health. He cannot be force to resign, as that is is personal prerogative, but if those charged with the responsibility of checks and balance on the executive are ready to do their job, they should step in decisively and normalize the polity. 

U said if u were sick ur wife wld care abt ur health, wat if ur colleagues or management starts puttin pressure dat u should be sacked or bring a docs report dat u can work wat do u tink she wld do while u are stil in coma, she will fight nd plead if she knows dat on sightin u they wld just sack u she will prevent them frm seein u, she wld sleep evryday in d hospital nd even wen u get worse she wld tell ur colleagues dat u are gettin beta only trusted friends of urs she may allow 2 c u, she won't allow herself 2 b blackmailed dat u are dead or allow them free acess 2 c u, she wld pray 4 u, fast 4 u wld even perform sacrifices 4 u wld u now call dat spousal abuse or would u compare urself wit a coleague whose wife does not trust himm nd wld not even sleep in d hospital wit him wen he is sick but rather leave him with any of d kids nd pay some visits nd mayb because of dat evry one @ d ofc had free acess to him. That was y I compared Soyinka nd Yaradua in d beginnin. Turais love 4 her husband has made her do all dat she has done, some trusted friends are d ones who tried 2 take advantage of d illnes mayb even threatenin her dat her husband wld b impeached nd all sorts but definitely not her, she cldnt have stayed in Saudi nd ask dat Jonathan shld not b allowed 2 rule wat sort of power wld dat b, but pple wanted 2 rule in her husbands name nd dose are d pple dat Jonathan checkmated by not movin an inch until he was declared Ag president and dat is y even Jonathan isn't interested in invokin section 144. Can a man actually declare anoda man incapacitated, the senators dat passed on last week wld any doc hav declared them incapacitated, or wld any doc hav told them dat they wld die wen they did, Life is a gift frm d creator do u know how many of d healthy politicians Yaradua wld still outlive?

My opinion frm start is dat Turai should not be accused of Spousal Abuse because she has not done anythin in dat light d only reason Soyinka wld hav made dat statement is because he does not enjoy d kind of loyalty frm his wife and his brother Shehu who said votin 4 Yaradua is votin 4 Turai is dat it is uncommon 4 men 2 b influenced by their wives d way Yaradua was.

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The reason for isolating Yaradua from friends and family, including the mother, uncles, aunties, nieces, etc is not to protect them. The true state of Yaradua's health is still unknown as we have been hearing different versions from people chosen by Turai to visit him. One cousin said they spoke and he was walking, another would say they drank kunu together, a cleric would say they pray together with Yaradua sitting unaided. Another still would say he is unable to speak. The stories are as varied as stories from different episodes of super story.

Who made d cousins spokesperson and wen someone is sick nobody paints a gloomy pic of d sick man we all try to encourage others. I don't know if u eva had someone critically ill in ur family someone dear even wen d docs say go nd buy coffin he wld son die u don't run 2 evrybody sayin he wld soon die instead u look 4 other opinions nd method as a christian dat is wen u proclaim faith nd call in ur pastors for rigouros prayers, well d Yaraduas are not christians so they call d God they believe in.
All that said, but u acknowledged dat Turai allowed some of his family membas c him, in a large family do u rily think evryone has d same level of relationship nd is it evry memba of d family dat Yaradua wld like 2 c wen he is sick d ansa is no so wen Yaradua can't talk dat decision wld be made 4 him by his wife and is this in any way spousal abuse.
If u read my earlier post I said its because of my own personal experience dat makes me react wit passion wen it comes 2 d isue of Yaraduas illnes, the wife is only doin all she can because of d love she has 4 her husband, I have asked earlier how has she boosted her political power since Yaradua fell ill

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But having read the full story, i do not see the connection to the Yara dua's case. The ladies condition was not critical and she informed someone about the true condition of her health. She was very conscious and made the decision to protect the mother, maybe because she felt her case is not critical.
Here is what she said;

How can u say dat it is not related to d Yaraduas case, the isue I was tryin 2 relate is dat its not all time dat u are sick dat u want ur mum 2 kno abt most especially wen it is critical, did d lady kno it was pellets even if u did, did her uncle who kept it frm her mum knew dat it was pellets, did he even c d extent of damage b4 decidin 2 protect her mum, the girl cld hav died durin d operation nd it was dat tension dat she tried 2 save her mum from. In d Yaraduas case did u hear frm d senators dat wen they saw Turai they were shocked at how she had emanciated, if she lost so much weight dat got them shocked how much weight wld Yaradua who didn't have much wld have lost I'm sure if they saw Yaradua they will just conclude dat he is dead so if Yaradua had lost so much wt nd is almost dead nd u bring his mum 2 c him do u hav any idea d psychological effect it wld hav on d old woman, nd her seein him in dat state of wat use will it be 2 Yaradua, so d wife was right in decidin not to allow d mum 2 c him until Yaradua personally asks to c his mother or do u want them while fightin 2 save his life to start buryin his mum who wld go into shock on sightin her son. That shld bring it home 2 u

if we must have a former military leader lead us must it be Obasanjo, y is it that we never think of Abdulsalam Abubakar and I prefer Buhari to IBB.
Dear lord pls deliver this country fro the evil genius IBB

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now you are throwing in a cork and bull story about a NYSC lady, who is about to undergo surgery with an instruction to the uncle not to inform her mother. So why not tell us the complete story of how the corper was able to fund her medical bills without the knowledge of her parents.


The Cock and bull story is on this link go and view it and maybe u can pick on d person who posted it here.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-427314.0.html

at least i didnt write the story

@wirinet, its not my fault dat u didnt see d story yesterday on the forum, im sure a lot of people didnt comment on it dats why i cant readily find it, but it was under the header crazy armed robbers shot at bus for 45 mins or something like that the ladys medical bills were paid by NYSC.

ok lets stick to the topic, can insisting that her husband should not be sacked or impeached be termed spousal abuse, not allowing the likes of Soyinka and co see her husband tantamont to spousal abuse. The man is sick can barely talk, that means when u come to c him u just look at him and he just looks at you any question would still be directed to his wife who has been by his side so what do u want to see him for, what would Jonathan be seeing him for and denying Jonathan a visit to Yaradua can not be termed spousal abuse.

When i started on this post all i was saying or trying to say is that Turai is just been a dutiful wife who does not want people who will judge her husband by his present condition and write him off, people want to move against the man but want to see him first so they can move, but definitely not Jonathan.

lets stop demonising the woman she is only doing what she thinks is the best to do under the present circumstance.

I have said it before if u have never experienced it u can never under stand it.

I wonder where women or ladies are on this forum.

In my opinion it was a wrong move. Ajumogobia shld have bin there wit Ogiewonyi as Minista of state

True talk mike cos if me nd u form party we go beat most of dose parties 4 elections. Reducin d num of political parties is even more important dan sackin Iwu.

@chiozor mayb I shld edit my name lol

@chidichris ok go ahead nd arrest d govt nd pls charge dem 2 court within 24hrs, and d offence is negligence so its bailable. Mayb we rily shld ask who is govt, then we can go ahead and arrest him/her.

@tolu, if I acede to ur arguement dat Yaradua had mistresses nd u claim dat Turai controls him, first nd foremost is it posible to be really controlled nd cheat then if he cheats who shld we talk abt of bein spousal abused.

Let's remove sentiments, tell me since yaraduas sickness came 2 a head in Nov, wat political interest of Turai has been boosted, she was pursuin a cancer centre wat has hapened 2 her pet project. The only thing she has bin fightin for her husbands life nd position in d society, if u want her 2 bliv dat her husband will get well y not leave his seat for him nd I'm sure wen she finally gives up on him or Yaradua gives up then they can resign. Did u listen 2 Yayale, he said they were treatin Yaradua wit sympathy, dats y Jonathan has not moved for the declaration of Yaradua incapacitated.
Is it dificult for u to sympathise, d man who has bin placed on perpetual actin capacity is not makin any fuss abt seein d man, pls show some sympathy. Lik I said b4 I don't know d Yaraduas or any memba of d cabal, just frm my personal xperience dats y I take dis stand. Its not easy to have a sick breadwinner of d family.

This our police, how do they just arrest pple wen u hav a high profile case, like they knew where they were. I don't c anythin reportable in arrestin 15 pple, did they investigate, did d other witnesses 2 d crime describe d thieves, does d police have a database of armed robbers across d country, cos this smacks of just randomly pickin pple nd interogate, they shld giv evidence because arestin pple is not d issue convictin d real criminals is d real issue.

@Chidichris, if there was negligence @ d hospital, why not call 4 d arrest of d Medical Director or the Doc on duty, or who is directly responsible instead of lashin out @ govt as though govt were an individual.

@tolu where did u get ur info frm or are u one of his xtra marital affairs. He is a chain smoker but neva a womaniser, or can u fish out any of his bastard children or in all this heat do u think other children of other women wld be quiet. Read El Rufai piece on Yaradua, if as at 1991 Shehu his elder brother felt dat his wife was controllin him wen did he philander and pls where are d ladies he cheated with or are they all dead of kidney failure.


Pls don't cast aspersions on a gentle man like Yaradua, evry man has his weaknes but Yaraduas weaknes is not in women. In Objs tenure we heard rumors dat som married female ministas were sleepin wit him, that virgins were always kept 4 him I don't kno if these are true but in Yaraduas no rumor lik dat.


Pls anybody can fall sick, attributin it as punishment for his sins puts u in Gods stead nd all I can do is pity u because u are not dead yet nd don't know what will kill u. My pepole say "he who has not finished living does not laugh at a blind man"

@Chiosor, sorry I don't know abt Soyinkas wife nd I'm not interested in his marital life, but all I was tryin 2 ask was does he enjoy a marital life nd does he really understand what it means 4 a man to love, cherish nd respect his wife as a politician in Nigeria and bein a muslim.

In Nigeria once a man is loyal 2 his wife pple attribute it to juju as though it is abnormal to love ur wife nd listen 2 her.


@wirinet, if u are not askin every tom, manliness nd harry 2 c Yaradua den who can or shld decide who nd who can c d man. Do u think its evry time a man is sick he wants his aged mother 2 c him, did u read a thread of a lady who was shot by robbers on her way 2 NYSC camp, she specifically requested her uncle not 2 tell her mom abt d incident nd d impendin surgery. Pls give this woman Turai a break she is attendin to a sick husband these are tryin times for her nd d family can't they at least nurse their wounds in private, must Yaradua resign 4 u 2 b happy or is ur success tied 2 his resignation.

@wirinet I didn't say Soyinka must be married 2 give dat kind of coment but only asked wat kind of relationship does he hav wit his wife.
Yaradua has bin in Saudi do u think dose docs are inferior 2 docs in britain nd france I say no. The docs may have done all they cld nd given up hope but tell d wife dat prayers wld do. All these politicians nd pple complainin dat they want 2 c Yaradua have they bought d cards or flowers nd must Yaradua receive it personally are they actually goin there 2 wish him well or mock him nd compound his prob, or wat wld a visit of someone like Soyinka do, after his visit he comes out nd start usin derogatory terms to describe d illness nd even kill d hope of d wife nd family by his utterances. Pls pple don't 4get its our pple dat say dat at the burial of a man who was killed u find d pple dat killed him. Lastly I don't have anythin personal wit Turai or d Cabal but just state my view as a man who experienced somtin lik dis wen my dad was sick.

Pat does not hav a following capable of deliverin d presidency, why doesn't he concentrate on his senatorial district by one of d major parties, do wat he has 2 do nd get into d senate nd den he cld be closa 2 his dreams. In my opinion continous formation of parties dat hav no standin shld be discouraged, a partn is not meant to be homogenous, people of different shade nd characters cld cohabit in a party. That's y I believ dat if we @ NL wit all our divergent views can colapse into a party in d true interest of d nation we wld be able 2 rival pdp nd possibly bring d long awaited revolution.

@desgiezed I don't agree wit u, it can't be her fault, the way I look at it is dat d Nigerian way of always wantin to blame a wife for her husbands woes is unfair nd wrong. All those critisisin her are no beta dan in laws who acuse wives of killin their husbands, they are not beta dan pple who insist dat a woman must shave her head 2 mourn her husband nd drink d water used in bathin his corpse.