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TenQ:
Deliberately I am not focusing on the 144,000, my focus is on the Multitudes. Are they before the THRONE of God or not the same with the 144,000?

Where is this THRONE, on the earth?

Your claim is that ONLY the 144,000 will be in heaven. I have showed you that the Multitudes are ALSO in heaven. That is why you want to redefine heaven as the presence of God.

The scripture is too clear on this sir. More than 144,000 will be in heaven contrary to your doctrine

Uchedizzy:
sure

triplechoice:
You're always at the receiving end and always responding with "thank you" "thank you" and never for once wishing others Happy New year

TenQ:
Your claim is that ONLY the 144,000 will be in heaven. I have showed you that the Multitudes are ALSO in heaven. That is why you want to redefine heaven as the presence of God.

Here again are the 144,000 before the THRONE

Rev 14:1-3:
"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: and they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth."

Here is the Multitudes ALSO before the THRONE.

Rev 7:9-11:
"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,"

Are these TWO different THRONEs?

sonmvayina:
Ever heard of ogboni confraternity?
Be deluding yourself that it is about a group/cult...

MightySparrow:
They claim the scriptures we have now are corrupted and manipulated. The question are how,who did and why, when? I have read the Quran in parts not all. The writ is disjointed, unstructured, unorganized.

Aemmyjah:
Dear Max
Remember the controversial guy I told you about and I mentioned something about cart witnessing and how he does not accept anything in the bible as truth or wrong
Yesterday evening, I saw him. I had not seen him since January 1
We hugged and greeted each other
He then said, he wants to be like me, he wants to start preaching to others too
My ears nearly fell
I have visited him severally but studied only twice with him and just the first lesson of Enjoy Life
He got a new iPhone then
He charged it but the light was fluctuating
The iPhone did not on
He has tried and taken it to several phone engineer and spent much
It made him depressed and I understand the feeling as a young person cos the panel for iPhone is 35k
He was mad
That was when I first met him
I would preach to him, encourage him, we share experiences, ate together once
Never knew that these things had an effect on him cos I was thinking I'm seeing him too often and he questions everything. He questions that the Earth is a circle, when I asked him the shape of the earth, he said he has not gone to space to view it.
We've not even started chapter 2 of the book and he has expressed interest to preach, I did not know what to tell him but he has began attending meetings and we have our midweek meetings today. He will come and see the training
As for me, I will work hard with Jehovah's help to help him understand Bible truths and apply it
Another news
I told you how broke I was
I prayed to Jehovah to help me auxiliary pioneer for the whole year but I needed money to pay my fees, dues and other things as this is my final year
Not that I don't want to work but it will affect my ministry badly and I don't want my ministry I enjoy to go down cos of university studies that cannot guarantee a good job
I picked up form for this month, lectures had begun, I was in the ministry
Before you know it, a brother I'm not related with or told sent the amount of a full session
Another one called and said he will help me towards tpthe closure of portal, so I should come meet him
Another lecturer called me in and told me that I can use his laptop for assignments, projects and anything and I may use the printer to print as this will help reduce costs on typing and printing
Yesterday, a state Scholarship exams I wrote but did not do well notified that I'm among the beneficiary
I got a cheque of a 6-figure amount
There's still another I'm expecting from SIWES
One thing I have a problem with is that when I pray for something, and it happens on a way I don't expect, I don't even know how to thank Jehovah
Jehovah has played his part
I'll cut one lecture day to add to the Saturday and Sunday in preaching as our territory is very productive
Thank Jah with me
When I see an atheist or premium churchgoer that says there is no God, I laugh
The God I worship is my most faithful friend
He's already played his part and removed all the obstacles
I have my own role to play now and find FRIENDS OF PEACE
Good morning Bro Max

TenQ:
Is this throne on earth or in heaven?

sonmvayina:
Ok,
I can see you don't really care about the truth..
You just obsessed about your group..

brocab:
I haven't found a faithful person yet that belongs to the Watchtower-direct me to the department you speak off, I would like to meet a faithful person in Christ that is actually saving lost souls in the Watchtower.

Uchedizzy:
thanks for your input

MaxInDHouse:
Will you like to know what the scriptures say about how we can identify this group?

TenQ:

Follow the scriptures sir!
There is a specific reason the 144,000 were broken in groups of 12,000 for each of the tribes of Israel. This is not subject to any other reinterpretation sir.

Are the Multitudes from every nation ALSO before the THRONE with the 144,000?

Your doctrine of ONLY 144,000 in heaven breaks down sir

tctrills:
According to you or according to who? Again, I do not present my opinions, I present what the scriptures say.

TenQ:
An INTRODUCTION of the 144,000 in White Robes

1. They were Men
2. They were Virgins
3. They are First fruits to God and His Lamb
4. They are pure and without fault in speech

In addition these are SPECIFICALLY from the 12 tribes of Israel according to Rev 7:4-8:

Uchedizzy:
Goodmorning, pls i really want to know why we have all sorts of churchs here and there. Like why is it difficult for christians to come together and worship God under one roof since we all pray to one God.

tctrills:
You are a good story teller but as usual, your stories are made up

KnownUnknown:
McMickie said that is untrue and absolutely absurd. The Tower in Dilmum kept all the records going back to the eon of the Dual Headed Lugalbanda and the Bible is questionable. Actually, one thing in the Bible is true. Yesterday I threw my staff on the ground and it became a python. Now I’m carrying a sack with a snake in it like Jake Roberts.

MightySparrow:
And he can't produce a better logical argument

MightySparrow:
Haa!
May he thought they spoke Arabic!

KnownUnknown:
You don’t need to be a “reputable scholar” or “textual critic” to trash the tall tales.
A Greek shows up and tells you about the Greek pantheon. You don’t need scholars or textual critics to dismiss them as tall tales.
A Yoruba shows up and regales you with tales of Olorun and the orishas. You don’t need scholars or textual critics to dismiss them as tall tales.
A Syrian shows up and regales you with tales about Sumeria and Assyria with all their gods s’ actions. You don’t need scholars or textual critics to dismiss them as tall tales.
A Hebrew shows up and regales you with tales about his psycho god and the magic space tower. You don’t need scholars or textual critics to dismiss them as tall tales.

OgaNightmare:
That text is spurious, and is being disputed by reputable scholars and textual critics
Nothing like that happened
A lot of myths interwovened into the Torah

sonmvayina:
He is not referring to those who engage in idolatry....or who reverence any one apart from the creator....
You got it wrong..

tctrills:
He was the one who once boasted that he is doing marketing on Nairaland.

tctrills:
Oga, religion is not a competition. Abraham did not start looking for the best performing among the false religions. He waited on God to direct him.
I have checked out most of the major churches and JW is not in my list of top 10 best performing so stop making it look like a competition because if it were, you wouldn't take ad high as you feel.

tctrills:
Oga, you don't need to be a member of a political party to criticize APC. Stop making foolish rules. You once told me that you are a marketer and it's ok by me but you need to respect the fact that not everyone is in the marketing industry. Not all of us are selling a product on Nairaland.

MightySparrow:
Good thinking. What do you suppose the language spoken in the Garden of Eden? Why are there many languages today,?

MaxInDHouse:
YES! Adam and Eve were the first humans so all their descendants spoke one language!

tctrills:
How does what you said make sense. Do I need to be Catholic to know that it's a much more useful organization than yours?

tctrills:
Oga we all are not like JW that use every platform to tell our church. You are the only ones always doing that and you would not make others join you in such an unhealthy habit.

oteneaaron:
Spin it anyhow you want to - you know what I meant.

oteneaaron:
Some days, I cannot believe that there was a time when I used to be like Max - back when I was still a JW.

tctrills:
I gave MaxInDHouse one simple assignment to show his view point using the bible but he prefers to discuss unnecessary things