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sharpgospel:
So it takes that long in your doctrine to get saved? This is not the doctrine of Christ. He said to the thief on the cross, 'Today you shall be with me in paradise'.

That thief has heard a lot about Jesus when he's walking up and down freely that's why himself and his cohort confirmed that Jesus is a miracle worker.
Moreover the thief was a Jew and according to what their scriptures foretold about the Christ he realized that since Jesus was a prophet and blameless his execution is sure confirmation that he is standing beside the Christ who all ancient faithful Israelites has been expecting.

That's why he quickly acknowledged Jesus as King and beg him to remember him when he gets to his kingdom.

So unlike your hopeless criminal who knew practically nothing about God's word that thief knew a lot as in enough to save his soul all he needed is just to acknowledge Jesus as King.

For instance, Mr Peter Obi is becoming the talk everywhere now and gaining support here and there, politicians joining his group aren't doing so because they love goodness but securing a place when Obi finally becomes the next Mr P.

That's exactly what the thief did while his friend was thinking of been released instantly in order to return to his business.

Humility is never isolated Jesus is God's only begotten Son chosen to teach everyone how to gain God's approval {Matthew 17:5} yet Jesus confirmed that a group must be present to prove that he (Jesus) is one of the worshipers of the true God {Matthew 12:46-50} in the absence of a performing group that's doing God's will no man can claim he is truly humble because it's what binds the group that will be the evidence that you're truly humble as you subject yourself to the same line of thought! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

tctrills:
Story for the Gods. Baba quote your bible verse and enlighten us or concede to your errors and humble yourself.

Misinformed Churchgoer!

So now you know that Jesus is the one speaking in the Bible book of Revelation.

Next time don't jump into discussion with JWs we know far far far better than all your pastors put together!

Techobeys:
Like I said, may God have mercy unto your soul and cause you to repent and be converted to be like Christ. May your filthy soul be wasted by the spirit of God so that you might have understanding of God to know the truth. So shall it be unto you bc I have said so.

tctrills:
Again you guys are all about guesswork. When you finally find the verse that says you can go to war with members of other sects but not your members, I would be here. You know where to find me.

Below is how you came after me when you've vowed never to quote me again on this forum!

I never have any business with faithless ones like you it's you people that's always quoting me first but then i will continue to present the one and only organization of faithful people no matter what you think, say or do.

So if you have nothing more to say go and continue worshiping with your kind!

MaxInDHouse:
Number already complete, newly chosen ones now serves as replacements for those who lost the privilege!

tctrills:
Is that also in the bible or another guesswork from the men in America?

I know you're just here to support faithless people.

Jesus is the one speaking in the Bible book of Revelation:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly, come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Revelations 1:1 ~ Holy Bible

Techobeys:
When a man is confused and does not know the truth, he’ll say anything he likes and even reveal his emptiness more.
It was not even Jesus who was talking but you’re just saying a lot of things without the wisdom of God in them.
I hope you repent someday and get to know Christ. I hope your eyes are open someday to see your filthy house soul.

God's law says
"Kill the evildoers in your midst"
But then instead of Benjaminites to hand over the culprits they were ready to fight against those keeping God's law.
Now those who also want to maintain God's laws forgot to ask for God's support before going to war against their own brothers.

That's what you need to know.
As for WARS our God will never ever support His worshipers to wage WAR against their fellow believers because both of them will pray to Him. It's just like your own son begging for your support to deal ruthlessly with another son of yours when both of them are in good terms with you. One must have gone against your orders before the other could get approval to deal with him just as Phineas killed an Israelite who was committing fornication with a Moabite!

tctrills:
Looool... This is just like any other war my friend. This is just like the Biafran war. So your point is that whenever God's people disobey, you are allowed to kill them and go to war. This is already comedy. Again, can you point to the verse of the bible where you learned that God is against His worshipers picking up weapons against their fellow believers, if you're doing it or supporting those doing it then you're not a worshiper of the Bible God! I am waiting for you.

In the underworld men and women looking for charms to gain favour in the eyes of men need the blood or semen of popular actors, musicians, footballers and so on to make their fortune jass to hit big time.
If it's all about sex there are more beautiful and sexy looking ones out there but they don't have what the men of the underworld needed for promotion.

After reading in context wait for whatever you think is the right application as for millions across the globe we have found the meaning and applying it PRACTICALLY as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

sonmvayina:
Jehovah's witnesses is not what Isaiah was talking about... Read it in context...

sonmvayina:
But is still does not make your cult better...
They are both same 6 and half a dozen...

Isaiah 2:2-4 has vindicated God's organization you can continue deceiving yourself!

According to God's law back then a rapist should be forced to marry the victim or pay any amount imposed on him by the father of the victim, he must not divorce the victim nor treat her badly all the days of her life. But the benjaminites gang raped a lady and instead of their tribe to bring out those culprits for justice they picked up weapons in support of what is evil that's why the entire assembly of Israel went against Benjamin.
Now this is what i've been telling you since, instead of them to call on God before going against their brothers they just pick up weapons thinking they're more so God refused to give them victory against Benjamin.
So know today that the true God is against His worshipers picking up weapons against their fellow believers, if you're doing it or supporting those doing it then you're not a worshiper of the Bible God!

tctrills:
We all turn against God's will at one point or the other. So the JW doctrine is, to kill any member who turns against God.

Ọmọ things like that goes round for a purpose those building schools aren't doing so because they love others, NO! They were planning ahead so as to get prepared more slaves for their class in the future.
So if anyone escapes and become wealthy it's not due to the schooling but time and chances that happens to favour him or her! Ecclesiastes 9:11

Reading, Writing and Passing information is just what we all need to connect the world around us not for someone to become rich otherwise all university graduates supposed to be wealthy today!

tctrills:
Actually, No. 200 years ago, 90% of the world could not read at all. For Africa, it was more than 99% that could not read. But people built schools and created the atmosphere for you and your children to be educated.

At that point in time BENJAMIN has turned against the laws of God so they're no longer worshiping the God whose laws they snubbed!

tctrills:
That's your opinion, use your bible. I just pointed you to the war between Israel and Benjamin

READING WRITING and PASSING INFORMATION has been here for ages so if you think it's today that EDUCATION begin then you're lying to your own soul!

tctrills:
Oga since education does not make life better, please don't send your kids to school.

Call it whatever you want one thing is clear God never support His worshipers against their fellow believers so if you're still supporting believers killing themselves then you're not a worshiper of the Bible God!

tctrills:
Come are you still into guesswork? Did the tribe of Isreal not invade the tribe of Benjamin? Ok, I get it, your point is that the House of Israel went to battle without prayer right? You just continue to make up things as you go.
Look, sir, stop this guesswork, it's not the way of God. If war is a sin, God would have revealed it.

Please which of the responses would you like me to address?

I repeat again:
"NONE OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED HAS MADE THE WORLD SAFER AND SECURED"

Technology is like seasoning it only sweeten a safer and secured life it can never make life safe nor secure!

tctrills:
Oga sorry to ask but are you crazy? You Claim that reduction in poverty, education, better health care, and the like have no positive impact on society? Outside the walls of your church and the secrecy of Nairaland can you even write such on your real Facebook account?

According to the JW, education, healthcare, human right, and reduction in poverty has brought betterment to the lives of people around them. This is mad!!!

We are now beginning to say dangerous things. So what's the difference between you guys and book haram? Oga, this time I must confess that you are entering mucky waters. Your beliefs are leading you into a dangerous path.

tctrills:
I am beginning to feel that it's not your fault, someone has misinformed you so let me help fix it by giving you data in infographic form. If you don't understand any of the tables below, just let me know, and I would take the time to explain them.

Go and make a thorough research on the God you quoted as "man of battle" in the Bible, his worshipers do pray to him before going to war so as to conquer their enemies. But they have no impetus to pray to the same God asking for victory over their fellow believers!

That's to tell you God only permit His worshipers to pick up weapons against those who are not His worshipers not against their fellow believers!

tctrills:
It's not written if they should pray for victory or not over their fellow believers but I know you guys would have done some serious guessing. So according to JW, you only pray for victory over people of other faith? So if the man raping your wife is also a JW, you would not pray to defeat him, Hmm, I see.

sonmvayina:
Cultist...
I don't want to join your group..
It is demonic...

That's what many people often say but what really baffles me is how UNITED IN LOVE, JOY and PEACE the so called Cultists are {Isaiah 2:2-4} while those criticizing them are divided {Luke 11:23} killing themselves due to politics and racism! Revelations 6:3-4

Go and worship your God.

At least you can see that many like the OP are turning to the truth so go fetch your kind!

brocab:
O please tell us, I am sure we would love to hear it coming from a donkeys mouth, please tell us the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit aren't One..
The meaning of Trinity is written in the bible, the word Trinity is not, the meaning to Jehovah is written in the bible, the word Jehovah is not.
5 times in the KJ's, no other bible around the globe is found.
So obviously we have Spirit filled people have not written either names, Does this mean they are unscriptural-not the meanings to them, but the word itself is unscriptural.

Is there any time when worshipers of the same God pray to Him for victory over their fellow believers in the same God?

That's where you missed it all big time!

tctrills:
He never said anything against going to war or fighting for your nation. But then I am sure you want to use your guesswork method again. In fact, Jehovah whom you claim to serve is the God of war, mighty in battle.
Many times in your bible, God used war as a tool to bring about his purposes. So stop the pretense. Are you holier than God?

None of the things you mentioned has brought any betterment to the lives of people around you!

POVERTY: According to Jesus the real poor one is the ruler whose subjects are begging to feed {Psalms 23:1} so if there are beggars among the subjects then the ruler is incompetent! Luke 22:25-26

HEALTH CARE: Most sicknesses affecting lives of people today comes due to negligence to God's laws regarding sound health! Act 15:28-29

SAFETY & SECURITY: Jesus made it clear to his listeners that our life doesn't depend on the material possessions we selfishly accumulate {Matthew 6:19-21} so if we are happy to see everyone being fed well we will be safer and secured in the midst of people who have everything equally! Ecclesiastes 5:12

EDUCATION: Education is the process of imparting knowledge, skill and judgment says the oxford dictionary. So education is all about knowledge, skill and judgment which God's people are globally known for today!

HUMAN RIGHT: Only when people are equally fed not where some are living like kings while others are their slaves that one can speak of RIGHTS of our fellow HUMANS!

So none of your points proves that the world is getting better!

tctrills:
Oga building with iron bars and owning pitbull, is that the official JW index of checking if the world is better or not?
Well the intelligent world depend on other index to see improvement.
Some of the things the rest of us consider are
1. Poverty
2. Health care
3. Safety and security.
4. Education
5. Human rights.
So it's ok, keep checking on the number of burglaries in your street since you have made such the JW standard.

What did Jesus say about WAR?

tctrills:
Please sir, forget about the whole community condemning rape. The international community also condemn Russia. What would you do at the very moment you catch a rapist on top of your wife?

When your neighbours have to build houses with huge iron bars, hire security operatives (heavily armed) with pitbulls just to prevent their fellowman from coming close then you say the world is getting better, shey?

I understand you Sir!

tctrills:
Oga so you issue is that people build houses with burglaries? The world is is much better and safer place but JW don't recognize any of these good and improvements because people still build with burglaries. Loool. It's clear that you are just grabbing on straws.
Oga one thing I love about JW is their believe in science. I read your magazines and they try to stick to facts.
I have given you clear fasts that the world is better and safer but you continue to act like facts don't matter and all that matters is a market your grandma told you about.
I understand that if you confess to the many positive changes in the world, you would no longer be able to condemn other organizations and even governments. But still stick to facts.

sonmvayina:
The letter killeth..
You are trying to interpret the story..
I want the spiritual message in the story...
Thank you ..

Spiritual controls the physical!
Go and find out the spiritual meaning and come back to tell me the group PRACTICING what you think the book is saying.

Your question is irrelevant to the issue of WAR!

If a man tries to rape a woman or a woman tries to rape a man the whole community will stand up to condemn him or her but WARS is a totally different thing because multitude runs mad at the same time and the next thing is wiping away of an entire race for what they can sit on a round table to resolve peacefully!

tctrills:
I understand what you are trying to do but it does not answer my question.
Answer my question first, I want to check something.
I am enjoying the way you refuse to address a basic question

How has any of these addressed the issue of greed that's making people build houses with heavy iron burglaries?
Ọmọ improvement isn't about technology but a world where people have rest of mind that the person living next to them is a friend.
Regarding the old market system that's what really happened back during my grandparent's days.
So if you want to deceive yourself it allowed but everyone knows that the world is changing from bad to worst when talking about safety of lifes and properties!

tctrills:
So forget you funny market system and let's talk facts
. According to you, nothing has improved now let me teach you.
1. Health care had improved. People now live longer than any time in recorded history.
2. Hunger has reduced. There are less people living in hunger and abject poverty than even 50 years ago.
3. Freedoms and human rights have improved all over the world even in Saudi Arabia.
4. Reduction in wars. Less wars are being fought than in time past. In fact western Europe has not seen war since 1945. This is a miracle. I guess the Europeans became JW.
5. Literacy
6. Women's rights
Should I go on educating you?

I talked about "WAR" where multitude pick up weapons in support of one man whose wife raped against another multitude of people in support of the rapist instead of everyone to come together and condemn the evil act.
So WAR is not about one man raping the wife of another man because the whole community will stand against such evil act rather it's about multitude of people people carrying weapons in support of one man's ambition.
That's why i'm telling you that it makes no sense using a rapist's case to cover up for WAR!

tctrills:
Oga you are the one changing the subject and escaping a simple question. And it's funny you would see someone raping your wife as two fighting.

Please ask people who are 80+ to verify from them if such a world ever existed.
But if that is true then there's nothing that has improved except technology which has always been improving from the onset!

tctrills:
Honestly I don't know, I don't claim to know everything. But I also know that it was a miserable life. Your grandparents depended on the irregularities of nature to survive. It was hard to keep children alive. If the rains delayed, an entire community could die of hunger (it happened to the entire nation of Ireland). Please go home and correct your grandparents.

MrPresident1:
Sir! Your education is a waste if you can only see One male and One female. You are halfbaked with very low quality education.
You are twisting God's word and you are going to hell, Sir!

Ọmọ this is what you quoted:

Genesis 5:2 KJV
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Do you omitted the part that says:

"And called their name Adam" ?

Please use your brain to assess this verse because from my own understanding it simply means God referred to the couple as "Adam" but if you have a contrary opinion tell me why the story later referred to just one person as Adam and not many people because it was written that Adam became father to other children whose names were WRITTEN in the Bible! Genesis 5:4-5

My brain told me that there is a big difference between
"MALE and FEMALE"
&
"MALES and FEMALES"
Sir!

MrPresident1:
You have been given brains, and you obviously have a measure of education as atleast you can hold a conversation

Genesis 5:2 KJV
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Does this verse here, in your education, mean that only ONE Adam and only ONE Eve was created?

MrPresident1:
Genesis 5:2 KJV
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Does this verse look like it is ONE male and ONE female that God created?

I really love this!
Please do you know of any other couple apart from Adam and Eve, Mr HellFire?

Don't change the subject!
WAR is what i was talking about not two men dragging issues so appropriately address the issue of WAR not TWO FIGHTING.
Thanks!

tctrills:
My question was about someone raping your wife. It was not about Peter nor Russia. Please read the question again and address it appropriately thanks bro.

You stylishly dodge my question so i will ask again!
Do such market truly exist back then?
Please answer this question before we proceed to another subject on life back then and today.
Thanks!

tctrills:
Oga, yes your grandparents were ignorant. But since they did not tell you the truth let me give it to you. In the days of your grandparents, at least 3 out of 10 children died before they were 5. There were more wars in the world as a whole. People were poorer and live was much more harder by all social index.

My African friend, just read a book and don't be as ignorant as your grandma.
Did your grandma tell you about the world wars and slavery and discrimination? Did they tell you that as a black man, you could not sit in the same park with whites? Please if your parents are alive go back and educate them.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2017/11/30/why-the-world-is-getting-better-why-hardly-anyone-knows-it/?sh=221046637826
I left you a link so that next time you go to the village, you can correct your grandma.