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brocab:
So what makes you believe the Jehovah witnesses are the true believers, when in fact, you know you are not perfect..

This is the question right thinking people often ask and it's a very good question!

Jesus said no one is good except God and he made this statement when called "GOOD" {Luke 18:19} meaning even himself is not qualified to be called "GOOD" except Jehovah.

Now this is where the critical thinking skills will help you. Jesus was approved by God {Matthew 17:5} and Jesus declared that even himself is not good except his father and God.
This means there is a standard set by the one who is Good (God) and anyone exerting himself to live by that standard will gain God's approval.
But since each person will claim he is living up to God's standard Jesus started gathering individuals who are willing to subject themselves to God's standard, he sent out imperfect humans as his representatives (disciples) surely anyone expecting perfection from imperfect humans can never accept Jesus' group as unique and approved by God?
So what makes Jesus' group stands out though they are imperfect humans?
Well it's because they humbly followed Jesus in the first century while their contemporaries kept finding faults with Jesus the one God approved as Christ! Matthew 3:16-17
Today most people wants to be called Jesus' friends but Jesus has foreseen this that's why he foretold what honest hearted and sincere individuals to observe perhaps Satan creates lots of groups all in Jesus' name.
God's Holy Spirit will continue to work with those who are truly willing to subject themselves to Jesus' counsel so even though their group is filled with imperfect humans we will notice the fruit of God's Holy Spirit {Matthew 7:16-18} what are the attributes of this spirit?
LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} in any gathering of imperfect humans where this is noticed know that God has approved their worship.

This is how we know that only Jehovah's Witnesses organization is approved by God despite the fact that the group is made up of imperfect humans like all other religious groups!

Aemmyjah:
Start with what Jesus Christ did to his society with his disciples and what he asked his disciples to do in their society
Both muslim and Christendom have done both good and evil t society

Churchgoers lack critical thinking skills!

Aemmyjah:
Apes like running and jumping up and down

From his attitude he has proved that he's a real ape!

tctrills:
Your very first sentence is conflicted. If God does not demand perfection from us, then why is he demanding perfection before we can obtain eternal life? He clearly demands perfection and that is why we were commanded by Jesus Christ to be perfect.

Ọmọ you just feel like arguing, that's why arrogant ones like you only go about arguing with everyone without having any group of worshipers to associate with!
If God demands perfection before approving people's worship how come He gave holy spirit to imperfect humans like Jesus' apostles?
Perhaps you think they're perfect after their baptism by holy spirit. Well they were never perfect that's why Paul later counsel Peter! Galatians 2:11-14

tctrills:
Rather, the bible taught that nothing can separate us from his love through Jesus Christ.

Arrogance can! If you're not humble you can never see the good in your imperfect neighbor and that's what will isolate you from the congregation of the holy ones. Note that God declared those baptized in the spirit "HOLY" yet they weren't perfect.

tctrills:
As for the Love Jesus has its the same with his father! I agree with this 100%

No wahala.

Jokanem:
Long before scientists recognized the “tendency toward disorder” in all physical things, a Bible psalmist wrote: “You [that is, God] laid the foundations of the earth itself, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They themselves will perish, but you yourself will keep standing; and just like a garment they will all of them wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will finish their turn. But you are the same, and your own years will not be completed.”​—Psalm 102:25-27.

In recording these words, the psalmist was not contradicting God’s everlasting purpose for the earth. Rather, he was contrasting God’s eternal existence with the perishability of all the matter that God had created. Without God’s eternal renewing power, the universe​—including the solar system that we depend on for stability, light, and energy—​would descend into total disorder and ultimate destruction. Thus, if left to itself, our earth would “wear out,” or come to a permanent end.

There are other verses in the Scriptures that may also appear at first glance to contradict God’s stated purpose for the earth. For example, the Bible speaks of heaven and earth as ‘passing away.’ (Revelation 21:1) Surely these words do not contradict Jesus’ promise: “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.” (Matthew 5:5) What, then, does the Bible mean when it speaks of heaven and earth as ‘passing away’?

The Bible frequently uses the expression “earth” in a figurative sense, meaning human society. For example, consider the following verse: “All the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words.” (Genesis 11:1) Obviously, “earth” here refers to the people who were living on the earth. Another example is Psalm 96:1, which according to the King James Version states: “Sing unto the LORD, all the earth.” Clearly, in this and many other passages, the word “earth” is used figuratively to refer to people.​—Psalm 96:13.

The Bible sometimes likens the ruling powers on earth to the heavens or to heavenly bodies. For example, the oppressive Babylonian rulers were described as being starlike because they elevated themselves above those around them. (Isaiah 14:12-14) As foretold, the figurative Babylonian “heavens,” or ruling class, and “earth,” the supporters of that rulership, came to an end in 539 B.C.E. (Isaiah 51:6) This allowed repentant Jews to return to Jerusalem, where a “new heavens,” a new ruling body, ruled over “a new earth,” a righteous society of people.​—Isaiah 65:17.

The Bible’s words about heaven and earth ‘passing away’ apparently refer to the end of today’s corrupt human governments and their ungodly supporters. (2 Peter 3:7) That will open the way for God’s new heavenly government to bless a righteous new human society, for “there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to [God’s] promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.”​—2 Peter 3:13.

Thus, you can have faith in God’s promise that our earthly home will last forever. Moreover, the Bible shows what you must do to share in that wonderful time when the earth will be transformed into a global paradise. Jesus said: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” (John 17:3)

Kobojunkie is a girl that's setting up her own standard and forcing it on others so don't take her serious because she's not worshiping with any group of persons!

advanceDNA:
I wasn't talking to you.....how u became an interpreter is weird

He is my own brother we both have the same line of thought {John 17:22} so i can answer for him it's unlike you people who can't even stand up for your pastors teaching you talkless your fellow members!

jaephoenix:
So asking you to clarify is now bullying? Are you for real?
By the way, don't you jump in to other peoples' debate, Mr. Max? Did anyone call you a bully?

This is your comment:

jaephoenix:
What the fvck are talking about? You're not making sense Max

Please how is this a call for clarification?

LordReed:
If what is expressed is contrary to facts then it is false, that cannot be helped.

What do you mean by FACTS?

brocab:
I have already written this down: about this sort of behavior does not just stop at the Watchtower-Churches or over the world have also turned their backs on God: committing crimes such as these.

This is all i need in your lengthy story, there is no church of perfect worshipers any gathering is filled with imperfect people and since we must worship God as a church (congregation) which of the churches (congregations) is following the footsteps of the first century Christian Congregation?

There must be rules and the punishment must be within tenets of Christianity since the report was made within the congregation of God and not to unbelievers. The punishment for wrongdoings in the first century congregation is REPROOF or DISFELLOWSHIP after a person has been reproved he can still be welcomed by the congregation because he showed a repentant attitude that's why his case didn't lead to disfellowship which means he is unrepentant.

Jesus never told us to report our brothers to the worldly authorities due to wrongdoings rather what he told us is to take steps which may lead to reviving our brother spiritually {Matthew 18:15} but after all effort to regain him proves abortive then we must shun him {Matthew 18:16-17} that's the time he could be reported to the authorities because he's no longer willing to surrender himself under the same rule so those who deals with miscreants can now take over his case.

That's what Christianity truly means not just following worldly thinking yet claiming you're a Christian.
So from your comments it's obvious that there is different religions with different doctrines so you can't demonize a group due to their doctrines since nobody has been to heaven and come back to confirm which doctrine is acceptable to God.

This should help you to see that there's no reason condemning people simply because they belong to a religion rather the best thing to do is present a better performing group for everyone to see why they need to leave groups not performing up to expectations as Christian groups. That's what we are doing not condemning people!

tctrills:
You claim God had slaves and yet you say he gives freedoms.
If the Jews did not have freedom of speech and if they were God's slaves, that destroys your entire interpretation of God's love. If God's love means freedom of expression according to you, he won't keep slaves.
Again, All through the old testament, [b][/b]God called Israel his children not his slaves. Exodus 4:22, “Israel is My son, my firstborn.”

Jeremiah 31:20
“Is Ephraim My dear son?
Is he a delightful child?
Indeed, as often as I have spoken against him,
I certainly still remember him;
Therefore My heart yearns for him;
I will surely have mercy on him,” declares the Lord

Deuteronomy 14:1
“You are the sons of the Lord your God; you shall not cut yourselves nor shave your forehead for the sake of the dead

Psalm 82:6
I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are sons of the Most High

Jeremiah 3:19
“Then I said,
‘How I would set you among My sons
And give you a pleasant land,
The most beautiful inheritance of the nations!’
And I said, ‘You shall call Me, My Father,
And not turn away from following Me



Take note.

Let's not go far. The God of Israel is perfect but He is not demanding perfection from imperfect humans rather He want us to know that before we can gain everlasting life we must be perfect {Matthew 5:48 compare to Leviticus 19:2} that's why He will give imperfect humans 1,000 years training under Jesus' rule {Revelations 20:4} for us to attain perfection. By that time only pure worship will be available globally because Satan the person masterminding false religions has been kept under bound {Revelations 20:1-3} it's still under probability that any human on planet earth that time could gain everlasting life but the earth would be peaceful since it's Jesus that will be ruling throughout the earth. It's the probability of survival into life eternal that made the writer of Revelations refer to those on earth by then as DEAD that has not come to life {Revelations 20:5} because after the 1,000 years are over Satan will still be released again to test the survivors and whatever any of them do at that time the blood of Jesus can't save them anymore so they will be utterly destroyed! Revelations 20:11-15

As for the Love Jesus has its the same with his father!

LordReed:
It's fine if you want to make suppositions about what is in people's minds, I'll stick with what people express themselves.

Good!
So don't say anyone lied after expressing themselves!

LordReed:
How else do you know an atheist but the one who tells you he doesn't believe? Or do you cut his head open to look for belief in a god?

Intelligence is the answer!
People keeps a lot of things in their hearts but say things totally different from what they have in mind.
So there are many atheists attending religious services and there are many believers claiming atheists. You read their actions not just words!

tctrills:
That's what your statement implies.

You got me wrong!

By the time the God of Israel issued that decree the people were His slaves that He rescued out of the hands of the king of Egypt so He has every right to tell them what to and what not to do. But by the time Jesus walked the earth the Israelites were no longer under God's arrangement it was Rome that's ruling them. So blasphemy against any God shouldn't be a law after all the Romans revere several deities.
That's why Jesus never commanded that his disciples should attack anyone over whatever they say, the only thing they could do is turn away from blasphemers.

tctrills:
You mean the God of Israel was not perfect for killing people for blasphemy.

Are you asking or concluding!

Prosper1912:
Aemmyjah stop wasting yr energy with this guy,E has nothing to offer.

This are the people who wants to teach others on this forum!

tctrills:
Anyone can claim anything. That doesn't make it true.
You imply that Christ was not sure of his words and you need to correct him.
Secondly, God did not give the Children of Israel freedom of speech. Blasphemy was a crime punishable by death.
So where did you get you freedom of expression theory. Definitely not from God's words.

Are you talking about the nation of Israel or Christianity?

There is freedom of speech, expression, worship and association today that's why God said what is written in the Bible book of Revelation 22:11, 18-19

Otherwise there won't be any reason to wait for God to come and judge them just as it was in ancient Israel.

Meanwhile Jesus the founder of Christianity was accused of BLASPHEMY and that's what caused his death. So after Christianity there has been freedom of speech, expression, worship and association until God's Kingdom comes!

LordReed:
That's because that phrase is not used. If anyone uses it I will ask them the same question, who is a "true atheist"?
There is nothing to study about atheism that can help you with that. Atheism asks only 1 question, do you believe in god(s), if your answer is yes then you are not an atheist, that is all. There's nothing to study about such a simple question and answer.
Usually when someone uses that kind of phrase they are preparing to gatekeep whatever they are talking about. Like you always seem to do.

That's where students under Jesus proved wiser than you people!

An atheist is anyone who doesn't believe in God or Gods. But then is it just by asking them when you and i know for sure that humans do tell lies?

So instead of asking is it not wiser to STUDY the person to be sure of what he has at heart?

I remember a man who claims his father is the richest in his city and that there's no type of food you won't find in his father's house. But while the pauper he told this was following him to his so called "father's house" they found a fallen truck by the road side full of loaves of bread and hungry paupers were rushing the food for survival only for the so called rich man's son to join them and he was more desperate for the bread than the paupers. If you're the one following him will you still continue with him after seeing HIS ACTION?

tctrills:
He was talking about love. It's not up to you to redefine God's love.
I prefer we don't add to the bible.

Don't worry honest hearted followers know that it's not the same love God had for Lot and those destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah even though they all lived together in the city!

LordReed:
LMFAO! You Don come again with this your dreams of domination. Bwahahahahaha!
Name 1 thing you have taught me.

OK keep this in your memory book!

There's nowhere you can find the word "TRUE ATHEIST" but through a research and thorough meditation on the definition of atheism you can distinguish between a TRUE ATHEIST and a FALSE ATHEIST.

The only problem you may have is that atheism is not something worth being proud of otherwise you will have discovered that among those claiming atheists there are many who have proved to be false!

LordReed:
The Bible says nothing about true Christian so I am asking you.

Can you find the word "TRUE ATHEIST" in any book?
Is it not by studying to know what atheism is all about that you can distinguish between a TRUE ATHEIST and someone disguising?

Ọmọ use the same approach!

Aemmyjah:
Do your research using the Bible

Oh that's LordReed. One of my ungrateful Bible students!

He has learned so much from me but he won't admit publicly. Whenever you're chatting with him he will continue asking thought provoking questions but after discovering that you've provided enough evidence regarding what you told him LordReed will end it all with his usual ~ Bwahahahahaha and smileys
Please try to follow his comments secretly while he's discussing with someone else, that's when you will realize that LordReed has gotten something from the discussion you had with him but he won't admit openly because he has lots of admirers here looking up to him as an intelligent person.
Most times i come across his comments with other religionists i praise JEHOVAH because even though LordReed will not give the glory to God yet through his comments misinformed churchgoers will know that they're missing something vital due to the false religions they're following!

Aemmyjah:
Abi o
Atheist too are doing great things as well
What true Christians (£Jesus followers) are doing today is sharing the kingdom truth with others as Jesus Christ and his disciples did

From the highlighted Satan has use false religions to blur their senses so they can't distinguish between true and false religions {2Corinthians 4:4} once some religionists are doing what they feel is good they think God has approved such a religion not until there's a disagreement between their religion and the other they will begin looking for excuses to condemn what they had already commended as good.
I want them to look inwardly if it's all about the groups claiming Christians or Muslims surely none hasn't brought something good to Nigeria but then the fruit Jesus Christ talked about totally differs from what humans feels is good because Jesus made it clear that no false religions will ever produce the fruit he is talking about:

By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit Matthew 7:16-18

So according to Jesus if Islam is to be quantified as the rotten tree then the religion shouldn't be able to produce the fruit that Christianity produced any where in the world.

As long as that religion is able to do the same in other places then such a thing can't be the fruit Jesus meant!

Jesus is like a carbon copy of his father so whatever or whoever his father loves Jesus will equally love and whatever or whoever his father hates Jesus will hate. John 10:30

As for Jesus' sermon regarding perfection he wasn't talking about eternal love rather he was talking about the love to permit everyone express themselves. Just as there is freedom of speech, expression, worship and association God has allowed imperfect descendants of Adam to express themselves freely and as they do this He doesn't show favoritism towards anyone so whatever nature brings will be made accessible to both the righteous and unrighteous descendants of Adam for now {Matthew 5:45} but when it comes to loyal or eternal love only those adhering to the counsel of God that will be rescued in times when His judgment comes against evildoers! Genesis 18:25
This is why evildoers don't feel remorseful each time they see the righteous suffering due to righteousness they think there's nothing or any kind of reward from God for those striving to remain righteous! Psalms 14:1

jaephoenix:
What the fvck are talking about? You're not making sense Max

Leave that for the OP to judge.
This is the hypocrisy i found in atheism, you guys often complain about bullying in religion but now someone asked a question and i expressed my opinion only for you to jump in as if you're his spokesperson.
Then where is the difference between you and those bullies in religion?

Prosper1912:
Maxidhouse leaves them
They taught after leaving the organization they will see a better one .

That's what makes them really foolish because they're expecting honest hearted individuals to desert God's organization but they can't present a better performing group!

Aemmyjah:
Mention the things Jesus Christ built or asked his disciples to build

Anything done by a person claiming Christian or a group claiming Christians is what Christianity has brought to them but they want to hide their faces from great things individuals claiming Muslims has done in our society!

The problem you will encouter with this is religiosity attached to the language.
Why not teach people only the language without having anything to do with religion?
People love adventures and mostly languages but once you mentioned assalamualaikum the first thing that rings in their minds is RELIGION!

So if you're doing this as business make sure you remove the religiosity attached completely no compulsory hijab for the female students. Do this and thank me later!

pressplay411:
This argument can be used to justify that all monotheistic religions are also just different parts of one body.
Which I don't believe you agree with.

You only need to know what the Bible said and thoroughly meditate on three persons: God, Jesus and Satan. Then try to find out what part Satan is playing that Jesus has come to overturn. 1John 3:8

First of all i want you to know that Jesus' group has just one line of thought and they are strongly united in faith! John 17:22
However Satan initiated his own agents right in the gathering of Jesus' group {1John 2:18 compare to Matthew 13:25} this is the reason for so many contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines yet all these different sects are claiming denominations of the body of Christ. So it's left to each sincere and honest hearted individual who truly love God to unravel the secret.
Today Jesus' group has been separated from among Satan's numerous religious groups claiming Christians {Revelations 18:4} God has given His own worshipers a new group name {Isaiah 65:15} what we are waiting for now is the destruction of Satan's agents and their religious groups. Revelations 17:5 & 16

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

How many JWs have you caught doing those things you mentioned?
In which religion do you think such doesn't happen at all?
This is what i meant by accusing people wrongly just at the mention of their group name.
I live in Nigeria and i have never heard of child molesters in the congregation of JWs since 1992 that i've known this group, i only read such on the internet.
Jesus said:
“Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake. Rejoice and be overjoyed, since your reward is great in the heavens, for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to you. Matthew 5:11-12

All these things you're saying is due to just one reason: JWs is a group of zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word!
There is no religious group where such things doesn't happen but you just want to convince yourself that only JWs practice such things when we all know that these are the traits of sinful nature in humans and all organisations are filled with IMPERFECT humans.
So what is your point?
Jehovah's Witnesses shouldn't preach anymore because you have heard or read about these things in their midst.
Sorry my guy you're really evil from Jesus' point of view because all humans are sinners and Jesus never promised a group of perfect preachers so attributing sinful nature that's prevalent in the world to a religious group just because they're preaching and teaching others what they know makes you an enemy of God just as Jesus described @ Matthew 5:11-12

No matter what you say we know it's due to our zeal for pure worship because all humans have sinned and fall short of perfection so there is no group of perfect worshipers you're only maligning God's people for their zealous preaching of the word of our God!

brocab:
Well you claim you don't do any evil outside the Watchtower, well what about inside the Watchtower: families have been torn apart-long time marriages are being forced to separate, Children are being Molested. young men and women raped. just these few has been practiced inside the Watchtower this is a abomination against God.
Has anybody prayed and fasted. has anybody in the Watchtower repented, has anybody ask the Lord for forgiveness- has anybody been delivered from these crimes against humanity.

You claim: the Jesus you follow has one organisation: you believe it's Jehovah witnesses? do you really follow the Jesus in the bible? Or is there another Jesus: ?
"A Jesus that you believe you are saved by Grace, this allows your organisation to live immoral lives while serving the One true God. {Jude 1:4}
You claim: you have love for your neighbors-what kind of Love are you preferring too-are these neighbors inside or outside your organisation?
You claim: you don't carry weapons of war against anybody, but verbally speaking: war doesn't always come to us naturally, it can come to us spirituality, so what happens in the Watchtower, not only does it affect people psychically, it's affects people spirituality.
Is this the sort of love' you obey: and worship? Or would you call this, a practice of an abomination against God.?

Now this sort of behavior does not just stop at the Watchtower-Churches or over the world have also turned their backs on God: warring against their own resources within the Church-False teachers, elders pastors, apostles, prophets, priest, all over the world have committing crimes such as these..
The real war against us is not carnal, but spiritual-it's affecting billions of people all over the world: this behavior is demonic, drawing people further away from God, do you realize God see's everything-He see's good and evil, do you know the bible tells us, even the demons watch us, their eye's are everywhere, tormenting the Christians, seeking whom they may devour-seeking whom may believe their lies and wonders-so what secrets you may think you have, are not hidden..This is why we all need to Fast and pray-come to repentance and ask for the Lord's forgiveness, we all need deliverance. we all need God to protect us, from what is coming.

Lukuluku69:
Unfortunately for your Polyandrists, Jehovah gat no Rules for them unlike the Polygamists. A real shame.

Permission!

Whatever you say just know that if people can't stick to the standard God set in the beginning then everyone is free to do what they want regarding polygamy or polyandry!

Lukuluku69:
The funny thing about your Polyandry crusade is that it is rife in the so called Christian world. Try that sheet with the Muslims and you all know what will happen to you

So, keep preaching it and of cos I can see and sense that there is nothing else to say on this site nice Jehovah weigh in is enshrined in the Bible.

And please get word in with your sidekick. Tutor him more so that he won't go embarrassing your gathering in the future.

I know he look up to you so, get a word or two in with him.

Capiche?

Lukuluku69:
So, it all boils down to Wealth sharing!?

The same applies to Polyandry, rich ladies can also manage more than one man!