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Of course himself and his cohorts have learned so much on this thread:

Faith doesn't create ideal circumstances in any society it only makes the faithful person virtuous.

Most religionists are disguised politicians who are only interested in forcefully ruling over their fellowman.

Nigerian journalists has misled people with the way they labelled ritualists as herbalists when the word means something totally different out there.

These same people will go all the way to bring stories from Australia to tell you that our brothers are pedophiles but asked them to tell you what Australians call herbalists they will ignore that. That's why i often tell them that if you want me to believe the stories on social media regarding pedophilia in JWs fish out JWs practicing it here in Nigeria, after all it's the same magazine JWs study globally!

cornelboy:
Opurọ arindin alaini ronú omo.
I have been mentioning that nurse for a long time. She deals with herbs to treat people's illnesses. So she was an herbalist. She's late now.

My mom normally wouldn't patronise a babaláwo or ifá priest or any JuJu man or a fake prophet but she patronised the woman and bought herbs from her.
The woman was even a church goer and had knowledge on herbs.

They are many herbalist like her in Nigeria and all over the world.

A herbalist is simply a herbalist no double meaning.

Wàá keeko last last

Most people know all these but they will not like to say much about JWs on fine WORKS as the organization never acknowledge them as fellow believers.
During the time of Jesus of Nazareth even his opposers acknowledged (secretly) that from all indications this young man has proved to be the expected Messiah as written in their scriptures {John 7:31 compare to 11:47} but since Jesus exposed their evil deeds which is killing their so called religion and society they were determined as in battle prepared to kill Jesus! John 11:53

So don't be surprised that even with all what you posted many are of the opinion that JWs should be banned if the modern day society no longer welcome the idea of killing people for their choice of faith! Matthew 5:11-12

Remain happy and blessed my brother! Matthew 5:5

If you say God doesn't prescribe medicine then why do you build hospitals administering medicine?
As for all medicines not extracted from herbs and roots scientists are now discovering that they cause more damage than good that's why we have so many producers of supplements today like GNLD, Tianchi and many more using natural HERBS, ROOTS and FRUITS to make medicines for the use of people.
Go and make your research you will find out that all these products are highly effective yet no chemicals are added except preservatives.

So scientists themselves are coming back to bow before the Bible that all what we need for our health has been prepared by the Creator in plants! Psalms 104:14

ANTIlSLAM:
So you're now saying medicines made in labs by mixing together a number of chemicals in due time will not remain relevant abi? Kuku say labs will not remain relevant in due time because they are not using herbs and roots
See ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, traditional medicines is different from modern medicines.. The one your ritualist traditional herbalists prescribed for you DIFFER from the one SACRED HEART HOSPITAL gave you
Jehovah and Jesus Christ never prescribed traditional herb/medicines for treatment of any form of diseases and sicknesses. I'm tired of telling you this because you turn ON your deaf ears grabbing this that herb as used in the Bible is for food that will heal your hunger disease

sonmvayina:
Ok...
Thank you.

Now you know that Òrìṣà means Idol!

Templee333:
dont forget that the images of SOPHIA AND CALEB are idols

So Tom and Jerry cartoon are also idols shey?

Do you have a scripture that specifically say

"Jesus IS God"?

Thanks in advance!

Ayomivic:
Op is wrong you are wrong also.

Op is wrong because God wasn't talking about Idol in dictionary perspective but on his own perspective. What God means by Idol according to the scripture is anything you worship as God apart of him or anything you used to represent that thing you worship as God.

On why you are wrong on what you said . If Jesus was not say he is God in direct word that you understand. He said it indirectly when he said "I and my father are one,* I am in my father and my father is in me"

Apart of what Jesus said what did other prophets said about Jesus? Isaiah 9:6 Called Jesus Mighty God" Daniel 7:9-13 precisely verse 13 Said He was given power and authority to be worship by all races and languages. A person in control big world is called God. If you don't know , I am telling you that title given to the one in control of world and heaven is God . If Jesus was now given power to control the world and heaven according to scripture that was even revealed before him, Jesus is what?

Even in revelation it was lamb and the one on throne that was worshied together as one in heaven.

Then I saw a Lamb standing in the center of the throne, surrounded by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb appeared to have been killed. It had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God that have been sent through the whole earth. 7 The Lamb went and took the scroll from the right hand of the one who sits on the throne. 8 As he did so, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each had a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of God's people. 9 They sang a new song

What are you now saying that Jesus is not God.?

Because you don't believe doesn't means it is not true

sonmvayina:
A group that disobeys the commandments of God or the one that upholds it...

Your problem is that you are obsessed with being in a cult...a cult that places it's laws and doctrines above the laws of God. ..you have failed already.

Your problem is inability to comprehend that you're making no sense!

If you're arguing here everyday but unable to present a group of people practicing what you're saying then it simply means your ideas is personal so how do you expect others to leave their own ideas and follow you when you can present any practical application other than empty arguments on laws that you can't comprehend?

Lateefadewale:
Stop the indoctrination, Max. It is a form of CHILD ABUSE.

Why do you people love lies like this?

If FAITH that unites people from all races and made them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers means CHILD ABUSE to you, please tell me what do you will call those making, buying, selling and using weapons to destroy the lives of their fellowman due to disparities?

If everyone because Jehovah's Witnesses there will be no more wars globally!

What else do you think is best for children when their parents won't think of killing one another turning many women to widows and children to orphans?

All JW children have fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunties, grandpas and grandmas globally as we believe we're one family throughout the earth.
What can you offer any child that's better than that?

Ọmọ you should be the ashamed of yourself if with all the knowledge you think you have you people can't create a haven for the children among those carrying your ideas in their heads.

And don't come talking about pedophilia here because i have been with JWs since early 1990s when i was still in my 20s i have never met nor heard of a pedophile among them apart from stories in overseas countries where such is rampant. So how do you expect JWs to suddenly make people among whom such practice is common to turn them into angels overnight?

Is it not what they are that we will work on to make them better persons in the future?

Ọmọ the first and best opportunity any society can give a child is a community where weapons are totally forbidden, that's what JWs are doing globally!

Honchoslim16:
Bullshit!

If you don't want faith to make sense to you it's OK but then don't think faith makes no sense, you only chose what you want to believe.

Lateefadewale:
MaxInDHouse.... Your conspiracy theories about atheism are comedy gold. A-theism simply means lack of belief in god(s) and nothing more. All your ramblings about science, scientists and atheism do not correlate. A theist who agrees bats are mammals and Earth's almost spherical and not aves or flat respectively is STUPID. If you want to follow your buybull, follow it with all your heart and stop cherry-picking.

Use what you know to organize sane humans and let's see the effectiveness of your knowledge!

sonmvayina:
I have explained all these passages for you in context. Why are you still pulling them up?
You just don't want to learn and accept the fact that you are wasting your life and resources believing a lie......
Tufiakwa

You explained but failed to present examples!

You can't expect others to hold onto what you fabricated in your head when you can't show them the practical application of what you're saying.

I present to you the worshipers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob today as prophesied in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and repeated at Micah 4:1-3

"Jehovah's Witnesses"

Now present the modern day worshipers of the God you're talking about and back your opinion with the scripture!

ANTIlSLAM:
I always tell you to embark on deep research and investigation before displaying your ignoramus here.. ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, listen again NOT ALL MEDICINES ARE MADE FROM HERB
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK92773/

Sure! But all medicines not made from HERBS and ROOTS will not remain relevant in due time because ROOTS and HERBS is what God prescribed for mankind health!

So if you claim to be a believer in God's word this shouldn't be difficult for you to grasp. For your information that is why medicines do loose their potency within a short time while most don't prove to be potent in some cases!

sonmvayina:
This is the new idol..

Of course Jesus could become an idol for those WORSHIPING him! Matthew 15:9

But Jesus himself never claimed to be a God that should be worshiped, rather his disciples saw him as the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Deuteronomy 18:15-18; Act 3:22} Moses WAS a prophet and God {Exodus 7:1} just as Jesus WAS a prophet and God! John 1:1 compare to Isaiah 9:6

Honchoslim16:
What about the one with fire?..... The one with sulphur and brimstone

The concept of sulphur and brimstone came from one man named Jesus of Nazareth.
According to the book Bible a child will be born among the Jews, this child will become a great counselor and perform miraculous works like a God {Isaiah 9:6} but along the line he will speak in parables so that those who don't have the love of God won't grasp his message {Isaiah 6:20; Jeremiah 5:21} Jesus proved to be that child! Matthew 13:13

So the sulphur and brimstone are illustrations it simply means God wants to resurrect back to life innocent descendants of Adam who never had the opportunity to prove their loyalty in the garden of Eden {Act 24:15} but then those who never cared how they treat their fellowman have proved to be evil so such ones will be forgotten in their graves just as they forgot God {Psalms 9:17} so unlike others whose death can be reversed the graveyard of perpetual evildoers will be like a place where nothing could be recovered: dump cite where fire is burning with sulphur and brimstone!

Sin connotes Error so from God's viewpoint we are imperfect and whatever an imperfect human does still remains a mistake on our part {Psalms 103:12-14} but if we grasp that our very existence is threatened by an act and continue practicing it then we are showing lack of appreciation for the gift from God: life

Then such a person doesn't worth living! Hebrews 10:26-27

Honchoslim16:
So what about the modern one?

Grave is where dead bodies are buried but due to long time brainwashing by politicians claiming Christians many thought there is another place they're going at death, well this is what God's word (Bible) said:

For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 compare to Ecclesiastes 9:10

IDOL!

Dictionary meaning:
idol (plural idols)

A graven image or representation of anything that is revered, or believed to convey spiritual power.
A cultural icon, or especially popular person.
(Asia, originally, Japan) Popular entertainer; usually young, captivating, attractive; and often female, with an image of being close to fans.
(obsolete) An eidolon or phantom; something misleading or elusive.

Bible meaning:
Anything you revere much but has no positive impact in your life neither makes you virtuous.

Honchoslim16:
No hell.
Your colonial masters brought you the idea of Hell to put fear into your heart.
I wonder who still believes in crap.
Honestly when one is brainwashed, it's very hard for them to use their brains

There is Hell but it's ancient English word for Grave!

mjuvey3:
Some of you so called christians are hypocrites & self centered....Mind you,I was born into a christian home.

The highlighted is a LIE but if you've not met the real Christians you won't know you've been lied to. You were never a Christian!

ANTIlSLAM:
Ibo l'atun jasi bayii, you even write your answer in Capital letter as if what you're saying is right, chaii..

ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, why did you love to be disgracing yourself and your religion, JWs gan self

Listen bobo, not all medicines are made from plants. Some medicines are made in labs by mixing together a number of chemicals. Others, like penicillin, are byproducts of organisms such as fungus.

Please make a thorough research there is no medicine that you won't find a part or the ingredient extracted from plants if such medicine will be effective.
That's what it means to have FAITH in God's word! Psalms 104:14

jaephoenix:
1. Can you quote in your storybook where excreta ointment was used as medicine?

God ordered his own people to bury excreta but if you make a research on what so called advanced nation (that were respected back then as SCIENTISTS) does with excreta you will respect God's word today!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjr_LqJg_H7AhUJRKQEHT8SAswQFnoECD4QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ancientmedicine.org%2Fhome%2F2019%2F4%2F23%2Fcures-from-poop&usg=AOvVaw2XQUHN6uUD8qOmXEICmnzf

jaephoenix:
2. I want to believe you finished kindergarten(at least) because it was there we were taught the difference between spheres and circles. Isaiah called the earth a circle, not a sphere. Besides the earth isn't spherical

Now this is where science failed woefully! You supposed to know that during the time Moses penned down those words anything with a round shape (no matter how it looks) is called "round" because humans haven't advanced to the point of having a name for all shapes so for the recipients of the message to grasp what the author had in mind He (God) used the word they can understand "ROUND"

jaephoenix:
3. Same storybook said the sun stood still? Is that scientific?

As a scientist you should know better that it wasn't the sun that stood still rather it was the earth that stopped rotating but from the point of view of those ancient men it was the sun (which they often thought is moving) that stood still!
Your problem is reading but failure to reason because what we know today surpasses that of those people back then. So if you're truly reasonable you supposed to put yourself in their shoes remember that everything you know today were discovered by others who penned those info in books so back then it's the available information they were acting upon!

jaephoenix:
No, the punishment isn't death. Maybe you need to reread your story book

"But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” Genesis 2:17

When i said "it's not the book that you people studied but your pastors interpretation" you guys will say you actually studied the Bible.

Oya tell me how certainty of death means something else, perhaps you should contact a real scientist to tell you the meaning of the word "DEATH"

jaephoenix:
1.Youre just going round and round, and you still landed on the fact yahweh hardened his heart
2. He did send them incurable disease which might have softened Pharaoh's heart but yahweh still hardened his heart

The story was written in Hebrew an ancient language spoken by Abraham, it's like in my own language an adage says:

"Ìwọ la rí báwí, ìwọ la rí báwí, ìwọ tóo gun aya wọn tóò gùn'yá wọn ìwọ la rí báwí."

If interpreted literally:
"You should be blame, you should be blamed! Why mate with their wives but failed to rape their mothers? You are to blame"

The indepth meaning:
When two persons are at loggerhead over an issue our people will sing this song for the one whom they know is stronger but handling matters mildly. So this is the real meaning:

"You are the one giving him the impetus to resist because you failed to threaten his very existence"

That's what Jehovah didn't do to Pharaoh but when the king's hier died with all the security guards in the palace unable to stop the killer.
That's when Pharaoh realized that the one who passed through all his security and killed his son inside the palace can equally kill him without anyone stopping the killer so he surrendered!

jaephoenix:
Reading your posts is a huge mental work. You don't make sense. Rambling as usual

The same way i do feel while reading your post so it's vise versa!

Everyone is wise!

Truvelisback:
Ur mind is so polluted, u are just derailing the thread.

You came here complaining about the way a MARRIED woman dressed but i quoted Jesus' instructions that negates what you did, then it's my own mind that's polluted, shey?

Kwantinu!

ANTIlSLAM:
ARE ALL MEDICINES MADE FROM PLANT? I pray you won't use Mat. 7:7 this time around

YES! There's no medicine without part of the ingredients extracted from plants!

chieveboy:
Latest understanding that is outside of the bible which is undemonic while the understanding of others outside the bible is demonic?
Who sanctified this "understanding" as the word of God? The Bible?
You guys always fail to see simple specs in your eyes which many have called out on this forum.

The Bible itself gave us an indisputable sign to prove that our teaching in not demonic.
So it's not about arguing worthlessly!

You can continue your argument with atheists but know that Adam and Eve were PERFECT!

NNTR:
Was expecting from you, a wack comment just like this

Genesis 1:26-27
26Then God said,
“Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness,
to rule over the fish of the sea
and the birds of the air, over the livestock,
and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”
27So God created man in His own image;
in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them.

It is the anticipation of Deuteronomy 32:5 that required the omission of the 'God saw ..., that it was good' tick mark be not accorded to man's creation

'God saw ..., that it was good' check marks was registered at Gen. 1:4, 10, 12, 18, 21, 25, but God baulked repeating same 'God saw ..., that it was good' check mark for man at Genesis 1:31, simply because of His Omniscience and particularly Genesis 1:27

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Truvelisback:
U are an hypocrites. Did make any sexual comments abt her body?

You were contemplating to see her body!

Truvelisback:
Lies. How have i committed adultery?

Jesus said "when you look at a woman" but no one here knows you did until you brought it here. So what is your business with the way another man's wife is dressed?
Why anticipating her body if her husband doesn't want her body to be seen by another man?

Ọmọ you have committed adultery according to Jesus! Matthew 5:28