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And I will certainly magnify myself and sanctify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations; and they will have to know that I am JEHOVAH! Ezekiel 38:23

After destroying Pharaoh (the world's most powerful man) and his army in the red sea Jehovah did not lead His people directly to the promised land because they lack faith in Him.

So He made them spent forty years in the wilderness for the faithless generation to die in the wilderness but preserved the lives of Joshua the son of Nun and Caleb the son of Jephunneh! Numbers 14:30

But there's something the account didn't reveal: what about the nations who has heard all that JEHOVAH did in Egypt?

Instead of making peace with God's people they were mocking God's people laughing at them after all their God seems confused nah roaming around the wilderness with them for forty years.
Some may even think perhaps that God has abandoned them that's why they missed their road for 40 solid years.
Some could also think "Moses and all the skilled men among them are dead" so they determined to exterminate God's people if they should come close to their domain.

All that is story today it's JEHOVAH the most patient of all intelligent beings the SUPREME RULER over the whole universe that is to blame now, shey?

He has ordered His own worshipers globally in our time saying:

"Jehovah himself will fight for you, and you will keep silent.” Exodus 14:14

When He is ready to cleanse the earth then all His enemies will have to know Him by His real name: JEHOVAH! Ezekiel 39:6

Maynman:
These kind of hypocrites are the worse.

If someone could take time to clean his/her device and take a picture of some people sitting quietly by the road side and know so much about them.
What else do i expect to hear from those two women?
The one who took their picture has done a good job telling people that in our neighbourhood there is a group of imperfect humans like you and i who are striving to make peace with God and man.

Their presence in that place is a witness against everyone in that area! Matthew 24:14

Brother Aemmyjay, i thank you for this thread because i never knew LordReed could become like this after receiving the heat of hard facts!

LordReed:
Psychopath preaching peace is the irony of the century. LMFAO!

OK psychopaths are the ones erasing politics and military services from the hearts of their neighbours while the sane ones worship their human deities supporting them to kill people today!

SeniorMan715:
What of Jehovah's Whiteness?

That's why i often tell them that Charles Taze Russell is not the founder because it's obvious that himself and his group discovered some things but after Jesus' return in the year 1914 the one and only group ready to make amendments and not sticking to the ideas of human founders began yielding to Jesus' direction while all others want to maintain the ideas of their human founders.
So those who can't bare the amendment Jesus is doing with the International Bible Students Association began leaving the group until Jesus got the perfect group of studious disciples and by the year 1931 JEHOVAH began calling his own people by another name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Isaiah 65:15

Please where are the WORKS of all other religions?

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are WORKING {James 2:18-26} you can see millions throughout the earth matching joyfully towards God's purpose {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} while the rest are lost in confusion killing their neighbours! Revelations 6:3-4

Jesus said those with him will have the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10} but all others will be SCATTERED {Luke 11:23} that's why you can't find a member in any of the group boldly declaring where they belong like JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

sonmvayina:
There are millions of people in the world obeying God's commandments and making effort in following them.. You don't have to belong to a cult like JW

Unless i SEE their WORKS not audios like yours they don't exist to me.
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are performing excellently throughout the earth just as God's word foretold in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3

Call them anything you like just know that i'm with them for life!

cornelboy:
Young lady, here is what I found in your link.

The use of medicinal herbs had started from ancient times according to the link.

OK, you care to crosscheck her credulous claims!

Ọmọ you try o!

The dictionary simply stated that physicians are MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS, so she's feeling ashame that's why she's been worried over her confusion.

There are just two ways people approach the problems facing them back then: MEDICALLY use of medicines like HERBS and ROOTS or SPIRITUALLY conjuring spirits for help.

The God of Israel condemned conjuring spirits so it's either they rely on MEDICAL PRACTITIONERS or run to a prophet when their sicknesses persists and that's exactly what the woman with flow of blood did.

So let the girl continue deceiving herself!

LordReed:
This is how low-key sociopaths and psychopaths are discovered. Bwahahahahahaha!

Continue discovering while i preach peace with my neighbour but you're a subscriber of the survival of the fittest!

LordReed:
Ahh right, let's blame the victims of a genocide. LMFAO!

Of course they should be blamed!

Rahab of Jericho heard about the Israelites and their invincible God so she was willing to make peace with the owners of the land where she lives and JEHOVAH richly blessed Rahab for her strong faith.
First herself and her family were spared, then JEHOVAH made sure that Rahab became the great grandmother of Jesus Christ.
Let's see how Jesus will bring back righteous people from the dead and forget his own great grandma: RAHAB!

The Gileadites heard the same story and they took initiative to make peace with the owners of the land where they're staying. And when an Israelite king dealt badly with the Gileadites JEHOVAH punished the people with pestilence.
What a God? JEHOVAH is Holy and Upright!

AgentNairaland:
That is in modern era, in the ancient times which is the main point of discussion, Physicians in ancient times don't practice medicinal healing by prescribing medicinal herbs, drugs, capsules, tablets, etc

Go and research more on ancient Physicians with their methods of healing

https://www.britannica.com/science/history-of-medicine

Don't be too eager to comments, read my messages you will understand it more better



Physician is NOT a practitioner of herbalism or
a dealer in medicinal herbs, herbalist does that. Herbalist is a person who collects or deals in herbs, especially medicinal herbs. A Physician don't deals in herbs. A physician don't produced medicines, herbalist is different from a physician. JEWS in both new and old testament never visited an herbalist or traditional healer for treatment rather a Physician and as you agreed that nothing like orthodox doctors that produced capsules, tablets, etc then in ancient times, the Jewish people don't take drugs, capsules or tablets because Physicians in ancient times don't have any drugs to prescribed either local herbs or capsules for treatment.

DO YOU AGREE WITH THE ABOVE WRITE-UP?

Physician simply means MEDICAL PRACTITIONER and in ancient times they only deal with what they know which is ROOTS and HERBS!

LordReed:
LoLz. Tell me in your bible the Israelites committed genocide, should we blame them or the god who they say sent them?

If i were you i'll blame those killed.

WHY?

Before God ordered the Israelites to destroy anyone found on the promised land God went to the most powerful nation of the time (Egypt) with two octogenarians (Moses and Aaron) and without a military force God singlehandedly freed millions of Israelites and even drowned pharaoh and his mighty army in the red sea.

Now imagine you as stubborn as you can be if you here that this people coming with such a God are to settle on the land where you occupy what makes sense to do. Wait for them so that the same evil that befell Egypt, Pharaoh and his people may befall you and your children or leave the place for them?

Well Rahab of Jericho and the Gileadites have judge the case and they've pronounced the Holy One of Israel as the God of justice.

So you're entitled to your PERSONAL opinion!

AgentNairaland:
Physician is NOT a practitioner of herbalism or
a dealer in medicinal herbs, herbalist does that. Herbalist is a person who collects or deals in herbs, especially medicinal herbs. A Physician don't deals in herbs. A physician don't produced medicines, herbalist is different from a physician. JEWS in both new and old testament never visited an herbalist or traditional healer for treatment rather a Physician and as you agreed that nothing like orthodox doctors that produced capsules, tablets, etc then in ancient times, the Jewish people don't take drugs, capsules or tablets because Physicians in ancient times don't have any drugs to prescribed either local herbs or capsules for treatment.

PHYSICIANS in ancient times has nothing to do with medicinal herbs, drugs either capsules, tablets, etc for treatment

Go and research more on ancient Physicians with their methods of healing


Magic and religion played a large part in the medicine of prehistoric or early human society. Administration of a vegetable drug or remedy by mouth was accompanied by incantations, dancing, grimaces, and all the tricks of the magician. The first doctors, or “medicine men,” were witch doctors or sorcerers. The use of charms and talismans, still prevalent in modern times, is of ancient origin.

When the medicine of ancient Egypt is examined, the picture becomes clearer. The first physician to emerge is Imhotep, chief minister to King Djoser in the 3rd millennium BCE, who designed one of the earliest pyramids, the Step Pyramid at Ṣaqqārah, and who was later regarded as the Egyptian god of medicine and identified with the Greek god Asclepius.



https://www.britannica.com/science/history-of-medicine

Upon all your blabbing what you pasted says "a physician is a MEDICAL PRACTITIONER" so i wonder how they PRACTICE MEDICINE without prescription of MEDICINE!

AgentNairaland:
A Physician is NOT an herbalist or traditional healers. Thought you said you know the meaning of a Physician more than me
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/physician
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician

So they don't use medicines treating patients or their medicines aren't made from natural Herbs and Roots or they used modern technology when preparing the medicines?

OK Ma!

Aemmyjah:
Will you mind them? Who were the terrorists during the dark ages?
They all preach peace and love but when challenges rise, they first knock out peace out of the ring so they can face their neighbors in combat

Instead of accepting the simple TRUTH they're coming up with different topics just to save face, some of them even left this thread to trail me in other threads only to start pouring out their grievances out of spite.
The AgentNairaland girl even began hailing the atheist who condemned the Bible God just to spite JWs.
So their crookedness has been exposed!

Wilgrea7:
You are the definition of a brick wall when it comes to having sensible discussions.
I have no desire to repeat myself. I've done my best to gather my points and present them as simply and clearly as possible, to show why you're wrong.
If you can't understand it, or choose to ignore it, then that's on you.

Of course two wrongs can't make a right so it's my choice against yours!

AgentNairaland:
Who prepares the medicines in ancient times then since you believe there were NO orthodox doctors back then using tablets, capsules and injections to treat patients

Ọmọ your views is irrelevant here so far others know that people in ancient times got treated by ancient PHYSICIANS like HERBALISTS and TRADITIONAL HEALERS who used HERBS and ROOTS your opinion doesn't count!

SharonLoveth:
Does stake and crux has the same meaning?

Google is your friend Ma!

AgentNairaland:
But you said there were NO orthodox doctors back then in ancient times. I am trying to settle your confusion but you still adding more problems to the problems you created for yourself

You're much more than a confusionist but it's a pleasure coming here to show the level of your IQ.

Wilgrea7:
This is by far the most childish rebuttal you've ever given. You're basically saying “nuh uh.. but my skydaddy said..." I don't care what your God, whose existence is still unproven by the way, allegedly said. If you want to make claims about reality. Go to a science textbook.. or a history textbook. Go to peer reviewed journals and scientifically verified data, not some dusty old book that doesn't know the shape of the earth. Your claim on “health professionals" is clearly misguided, wrong and/or significantly Overexaggerated as I've shown in the 3 points I gave. Yet you're still repeating the same narrative. I've let this discussion pull on for much longer than it's worth. I really have no desire to waste my time arguing with someone who desires to select what part of reality they want to accept, and twist the parts they don't.

Funny atheist!

My God said intake of blood is deadly and those who knew nothing about my God penned down the hazards yet you're here arguing blindly.
Now i'm fully convinced that atheists loves deceiving themselves!

AgentNairaland:
Why this since you believe there were NO orthodox Doctors back then
We need to settle your confusion once, did you mean physicians in ancient time uses medicines for treatment?

Your confusion is irredeemable o!

So you don't know that Roots and Herbs mixed for treatment are MEDICINES?

Aemmyjah:
Personally, there are some sickness that make me visit native doctors for herbs. The truth is that when people hear native doctors, they did of juju. Native doctors is not the same as juju or witch doctors. There's a story of a circuit overseer's wife.

There's a house that the brothers do not preach often cos the people there were hostile to us. One day, during the circuit overseer's visit, the landlady was crying so our COs wife asked her what happened (both that this landlady was too hostile to Jehovah's witnesses). She said she has been pregnant for about 10 months now and she is having difficulty in giving birth and she later went to meet her pastor for help and he said it is her mother that is the cause that she should pray for her sudden death so she would be relieved. She had been crying cos she loves her mother and she knew her mother (who was more hostile to Jehovah's Witnesses) loves her too but she was confused and the she is not easy with the child in the womb.
Our sister took her to a herbalist and she told him her problems, he told her that the lining of her womb was thin and he gave her some potions from the trunk and roots of some trees. The woman took it and in no time, she gave birth. The woman and her mother are now Jehovah's Witnesses

Truth is when people here of native doctors, they think it is associated with occultism. The name alone 'native' should tell us that they deal with nature not technology we see in hospital. Some specializes in bones, some for women, some for children, some for aging problems and so forth just like we have different specialisations in surgery.

My brother no matter how the truth spelt out faithless people will continue arguing blindly!

I only came to correct just one wrong thought on the thread: Islam (religion) is the cause of terrorism!
Terrorism comes from politics when man wants to dominate his fellowman simply because that one doesn't possess deadly weapons. The politician can use any means to achieve his goal: weapons, eloquence, fitness, money, beauty, motivational speeches, racism and religion. All these are like tools in the hands of a politician but then the politician needs more supporters to dominate others.

We have all heard of the old Ọ̀yọ́ empire, the only reason why the Aláàfin became so fearful is due to many towns and cities speaking his language (Yorùbá) he gathered all these people under his empire then began terrorizing smaller towns speaking other languages like Ẹ̀gbá, Ìjàyè, Èkìtì, Ìjẹ̀ṣà, and so on and all these people thought the Aláàfin was indomitable. Not until youths like Fábùnmi Òkè-Ìmẹ̀sí (Èkìtì parapọ̀) and Lísàbí (Abéòkúta) revolted against the Ọ̀yọ́ empire and succeeded in breaking free that most people found out that the Aláàfin was no god!

So politicians look for ways to gather supporters using money, eloquence, fitness, beauty, racism, motivational speeches and religion, out of all these the strongest is religion that's why the politician goes for Islam but of all the religions on planet earth there is one you can't turn into a tool in the hands of politicians: CHRISTIANITY.
WHY? Because the founder (Jesus) told his own disciples that they must have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} and love their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} so how can you convince them to join you in picking up weapons against their fellowman?

Well today the one and only group practicing that is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

That's what brought all these fruitless arguments as they're trying to curse what God has blessed!

AgentNairaland:
I have checked for the meaning of Physician from dictionary and Bible even from ancient times till now, I have did my research thoroughly that is why I am asking you DID ALL PHYSICIANS BELIEVES IN MEDICINES FOR TREATMENT as you are of the opinion that all physicians are people who treat illnesses with medicines but you fail to clarify this and to tell where you get that from


The woman with flow of blood NEVER visited several traditional healers, you have cleared this yourself but still going back to it, don't behave like a dog that returns to its vomit.
Physicians and traditional healers are two different people

Can you show from the Bible verse where it is written that JEWS in ancient times do visit herbalist and traditional healers for treatment?

Oxford Dictionary

A practitioner of physic, i.e. a specialist in internal medicine, especially as opposed to a surgeon; a practitioner who treats with medication rather than with surgery.
A medical doctor trained in human medicine.

So continue deceiving yourself!

The score 6-0

Now churchgoers have learned from JWs that ancient Jews do visit herbalist and traditional healers for treatment just like all other nations before the advent of advanced technology!

AgentNairaland:
Even Jesus Christ one of the physician treat illness with medicines isn't it?

Ọmọ it's the same people who accepted him as Lord and Christ that believe he's the Greatest physician due to his perfect form of healing the sick but to common Jews Jesus is just a magician deceiving people.
So instead of stupidly arguing blindly based on what the Bible says think of what the general public meant by the word "PHYSICIAN"
The woman with flow of blood visited several traditional healers of her time but it's due to the persistence of her illness that she began looking for Jesus. Had it been she was cured she won't look for Jesus.
So the truth has been smeared in your face but your hypocrisy won't allow you accept the truth: JEWS in ancient times do visit herbalist and traditional healers for treatment. Period!

AgentNairaland:
Physicians in ancient times don't use medicines again? Before you confused yourself further, kindly address this pls and don't try to ignored!

Don't mind me jàre they even do surgery, body transplant and transfuse blood!

Aemmyjah:
Good morning
That's why I say there's no atheist in Nigeria
They can't defend atheism or stand for it or say why atheism is the answer. They only nurse a grudge against God cos they don't want to feel accountable for their selfish actions

My brother i agree with you except the highlighted!

The whiteman became an atheist due to deep thoughts regarding the teachings of false religions but our black neighbours here turned against God due to long time deception from their Yahoo big boys they call pastors. Just try to listen intelligently you will find out that they're crying silently within because they've been taught that God will always perform miracles to solve their problems so after waiting for so long and the miracles aren't coming they turned against God instead of their Yahoo big boys!
Whitemen don't teach their listeners such because their government has made things easy for them unlike my black brother who expects God to do everything for him even to cook meal for him so he can make testimonies of how special he is before a partial deity!

AgentNairaland:
You need to ask yourself if she spent all her money on tablets, capsules and injections before she met Jesus since you said
With this

Your problem is hypocrisy couple with self-deceit. People didn't just wake up and start manufacturing medicines like tablets and capsules, physicians in ancient times use raw Roots and Herbs mixed together to treat patients but it's the advancement that led to pharmacy back then it's one herbal concoction or the other.
So when the Bible (written thousands of years ago) now mention physician and you're thinking it's advanced technology the book the level of your IQ become obvious!

Aemmyjah:
You're twisting words, as to the origin of life and the formation of man, what does evolution say and which one makes sense to you?

He is totally confused. At first he claimed he's not an atheist but seeking a proof about the existence of God then he turned to agnostism saying there is God but he's not sure which of the Gods deserves to be worshiped, and finally he came out openly that he's now an atheist.

So his mind is fully made up he will continue to twist words just to make himself feel good.

Wilgrea7:
No offense, but that's some really ret@rded logic right there. So if a 5-year old kid wrote "air is purple", would you then believe it simply because you weren't the one that wrote it?

Also, I don't know what keeps happening, but every time i try to post the remaining part of my response, my account gets limited for some reason. Anyways, I'll be sharing the remaining part as a screenshot.

You're not off the hook just yet. Next time you'll think properly before sharing false information.

The highlighted is where you missed it all!

You've forgotten that i am a believer in the SUPREME BEING (GOD) and according to my own God intake of blood is deadly. So if some professionals now list the hazards of taking blood into the system couple with what my God has revealed before then it's not a childish talk Sir!

Phraences:
Davido is just an example. Use your brain!!! Believers and unbelievers, faithful servants and unfaithful servants go through suffering and pain. What is now the benefit of knowing God if you are still suffering as unbelievers? And don’t mention eternal life!!!!

Jesus and his disciples have experienced lots of maltreatment from their fellow Jews and their relief is not coming so soon that's exactly what Jesus told them so Peter asked him:

“Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” Matthew 19:27

This was Jesus' response:

“Truly I say to you, no one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news who will not get 100 times more now in this period of time—houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields, with persecutions—and in the coming system of things, everlasting life" Mark 10:29-30[/b]

Here Jesus is telling his disciples the one and only benefit they will get that no other religions can't get:
They will have families throughout the earth as if there's nowhere they go members of their family awaits them.

So it wasn't miracles Jesus promised them the everlasting life is the real deal which will come later but the only evidence that they're already on the right path is a global family of peace loving worshipers!

AgentNairaland:
You have answered all your questions by yourself, we can now proceed.




The woman with an issue of blood didn't believe in TRADITIONAL MEDICINES

She never told Jesus Christ that she visited Traditional healers

Since she don't believe in traditional healer with their medicines so no need of condemnation

OK ma, she spent all her money on tablets, capsules and injections before she met Jesus!

AgentNairaland:
I thought you said I'm shifting the goal post
So settle that first before shifting the goal post!

All physicians use medicines and medicines were made from Roots and Herbs before the advent of advanced technology.

Jesus could be rightly called a physician because he also touch people's bodies some times even though the audience don't know what he applied! Mark 7:33; John 9:6

But generally physicians are people who treat illnesses with medicines!