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cornelboy:
Lol.
Demon exist don't be dumb.
The gods they worshiped are demons.
Why should I embrace a God that drinks human blood?
So how did you find out that a supreme god with lesser counterparts?

The freedom of speech, expression, worship and association is for everyone, the OP simply raised a suggestion i will rather advice him to take the lead then when everyone see the benefits of his suggestion they will follow, but as for me and my household it's JEHOVAH the God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob (Israel) we will worship! Joshua 24:15

Broveens42:
Now you are even struggling more ...Lol
Remember I said we can give our own conjectures as to what biblical Jesus is...be it spirit, Angel, Lucifer, God, son of man etc..
#YOU COULD SEE # it that way
But the character at resurrection said he is flesh and couldn't be spirit because "A SPIRIT" has no flesh and bones just as
#THEY HAVE SEEN.... #

Jesus himself said people like you can give the Bible any meaning you want but you can never be united in opinion with your cohorts {Luke 11:23} like his true disciples who will have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} so keep your opinion while we keep ours! 1Corinthians 1:10

Templee333:
that is ur own cup of tea! What u r saying here doesn't stop me frm teaching in the church 2morow morning.

In the land of the blinds nah!

emmanueloti65:
you obviously don't know what your talking about, the leg and feet of the image in Daniel represents the fourth kingdom which is Rome and the feet of iron and clay represents the disintegrated kingdom of Rome .

Rome scattered into 10 kingdoms represented by the ten toes, not two kingdoms. another symbological representation of this prophesy is in Daniel 7 where the kingdoms are represented as beast and the foruth beast which is Rome had ten horns and among these ten horns or kingdoms came up a little horn or kingdom with the eyes and mouth of a man and uprooted three. this prophecy of a little horn only fits the Vatican city state because it was the last and smallest kingdom that came up after the ten kingdom that broke out of Rome these ten kingdoms are;


The kingdom of the Suevians today portugal
The kingdom of the Visigoths today spain
The kingdom of the Alamini today germany
The kingdom of the Burgundians today switzerland
The kingdom of the Franks today france
The kingdom Anglo-Saxon today england
The kingdom of the lombards today italy
the kingdom of the heruli- eliminated
the kingdom of the osthrogoths - eliminated
the kingdom of the vandals - eliminated.

the Vatican city state was the last to come come up after these , and it is represented by the little but stout horn with eyes and mouth of a man, this same horn which speaks blasphemy against God and persecutes Gods people as described in Daniel 7 fits only the Roman church and not England and America. go read foxes book of mathyrs to get a clue of the atrocities of the Roman church.

and also it is quit evident that the emperors of the political Roman kingdom gave authority to the church as the ancient Roman kingdom was falling apart. so the people who carried on from the Roman emperors was the Roman church so speaking technically Rome never fell it only methamorphorsed that system stil continues till this day . the empire today is not just in Europe but the entire world.
The kingdom of the Vandals and Alans in Spain and

Instead of arguing just go read Daniel's interpretation of the dream then come back!

Thiaoouba:
Readers of Thiaoouba Prophecy and the Bible ask whether Jesus will come back in the future, and what we need to do to prepare for his second coming, if he is coming back. Below are just my personal thoughts for your reference.
Please see https://www.chinasona.org/Thiaoouba/Jesus-second-coming.html

Jesus is around with angels working presently gathering his subjects throughout the earth into his store house {Matthew 13:30} because a great war is fast approaching this planet {Revelations 16:14:16} by the time they are through with the sealing of his earthly subjects they will begin striking billions to death! Revelations 19:19-21

benodic:
@:Templee333
My dear I know fully well. These writings are not even meant for them. Those that it is meant for will read it and understand it. As has happened several times here in nairaland.
Truth has levels. When you are through with one level you move up to the next level. As above so below. Just like our school system. When you are done with primary school you move on to secondary and university level.
Someone in primary school can never make sense of what someone in university knows as reality. For example telling a child in primary school that 1-4 is equal to -3.
He will tell you it is impossible and that -3 does not exist. But when he gets to secondary school the concept of negative numbers will then make sense to him.
The same thing happens in spirituality.
That is why I always advise anyone to take any path he finds himself seriously and learn everything he can about it . when it is time to move on to the next level the Holy Spirit will nudge you on.
There is nothing to bother about and no one is lost or condemned.
We are all encompassed in the unlimited divine Love of God and of course Soul Exist because of God's love for It.
Remain Blessed

Next time don't start what you can't finish, nah Jehovah's Witnesses dey talk no be misinformed Churchgoers!

jchioma:
It is kinda confusing, I think they are two sides of a coin...
"Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?” In all this, Job did not sin in what he said"

Of course Job did not sin but he erred greatly because:

When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone! James 1:13

Job didn't say anything he knew was bad against God just as his wife wished he should {Job 2:9} but then he erred greatly Christians baptized with God's Holy Spirit later corrected Job's view, so if you believe Job's view before now try to change it because Job was wrong with that statement!

May you have PEACE!

Templee333:
they like deceiving themselves,believing that u can't leave JW & go to another church. The guy doesn't know that i'm a Sunday school teacher & a preacher in my church. If only they know how absurd their beliefs sound to outsiders.If only he read my 1st story in which I mentioned a prophet/GO of a church who's an ex jw. But pride didn't allow him to follow the story carefully. He always want to rush into correcting others as the JW custom is.

Sunday School Teacher!

cornelboy:
Do you believe the Bible as God's word?

Templee333:
do u believe the HOLY KORAN as God's word? ur answer to my question is also my answ to ur question.

cornelboy:
Hell no!

I will not conclude yet so let's hear from the horses mouth first.

Meanwhile I have this:

Templee333:
if i choose to be an atheist does it concern u? If it pains u stop paying my school fees & cut off my feeding & outfits allowances.

A preacher and teacher claiming Qur'an is HOLY!

benodic:
This issue of "your God" is one of the things that is causing mayhem in religion. The next is "my God is bigger and better than yours"
Man in the name of religion has created a personal God made in the image and likeness of himself. From this perspective any body that does not buy into this personal perception of God is not fit to be alive. He is called an unbeliever and discriminated against.
When you clear your mind of all you think you know about God and ask God to reveal Itself to you without any preconceived notions then your journey from religion to spirituality starts.
And the issue of worship.
The highest form of worship is loving service to all life. For when you are loving and serving God's creation, you are worshipping God.
You don't need any religion or church to achieve this. All you need is love and an open heart.
May The blessings be

My guy there are just two roads one is broad and spacious the other is narrow and cramped according to Jesus you can switch lanes on the broad road but on the narrow road you can only find the path that few are passing through it! Matthew 7:13-14

So if you've left a religion and you can't confidently say the religion you left is not good then you're still on the narrow road switching lanes!

Broveens42:
Me, you or even the writer of Corinthians can sell any narrative about what "WE SAW LATER" ...but the character in Luke spelt it clearly that He can be HANDLED, for A SPIRIT DOESN'T HAVE FLESH AND BONES "JUST AS THEY HAVE SEEN "
#A SPIRIT~ statement of fact

You can only read our book but you can never understand it's message if you're not humble enough to become teachable!

Is an angel a spirit or not?

Well angels eat as in CHEW food offered to them {Genesis 18:8} and another angel fought as in WRESTLE with Jacob! Genesis 32:24

So tell your friends that angels (spirits) can materialize bodies to CHEW meat and WRESTLE yet they don't have FLESH and BONES!

emmanueloti65:
the mods deleted my first reply and banned my account. but I will try to respond again.

you contradict yourself. the Bible stops at the fourth kingdom which is Rome. no 5th and 6th kingdom.

the Vatican never lost power to England as a matter of fact the king of England king john surrendered his crown to the papal legate in 1213 as sign of loyalty and subjugation . the current queen of England is a dame of Malta a society run by the vatican. England is under the control of the Vatican and the pope same as America.

there is a reason why the prophecy of world powers stoped at Rome which is the fourth kingdom. that is because Rome still rules till today.

the emperors of the ancient Roman kingdom did not hand over power to England but the Catholic church. emperor Constantine gave his power to the church before leaving Rome, and in 538 emperor Justinian declared Christianity the official Roman religion. this gave authority to the Roman church to persecute any one not practicing Thier own version of Christianity and they destroyed three kingdoms namely the heruli ,the osthrogoth and vandals as predicted by the book of Daniel.

the little horn that grew out of the fourth kingdom with the eyes and mouth of a man which is the antichrist fits only the Vatican city state which is the smallest kingdom in Rome today not England and America.

there is a reason why Bible stopped at Rome as the last world power and that is because Rome methamorphorsed from a political power to a religious power and it is quit evident that the church of Rome ran the ancient Roman kingdom after the. emperors left Rome. the title "pontifex maximus " was taken from the Roman emperors and is now the title of the bishop of rome. this little kingdom in Rome today runs not just England and America but the whole world through their Jesuit secret army who infiltrates countries to take over and run their political system. this same Jesuits have been expelled in over 83 countries through history because their agenda of usurping political power was uncovered.

"See, sir, from this chamber I govern not
only to Paris, but to China, not only to
China, but to all the world, without any
one to know how I do it "
---Michaelangelo Tamburini
14th Jesuit General ,
1706-1739
the above is a statement from a Jesuit general hundreds of years ago.

In Nebuchadnezzar's dream there appears:

The HEAD ~ Babylonian empire
The CHEST ~ Persian empire
The ABDOMEN ~ Grecian empire
The LEG ~ Roman empire
The FEET ~ England and American government
Daniel 2:32

Last system of government will be transferring power from one person to another due to the power shared by the rulers and the people DEMOCRACY! Daniel 2:44

sonmvayina:
Those who follow his commandments.
Be rest assured there are millions of people who do.
These are groups you can join.

Where are their WORKS?

Jehovah's Witnesses (working with Jesus) is also a group that has used what is written in the Bible to resolve all their racial disparities, diverted their resources into production of food and information materials, erased politics and racism from all their hearts making them vow never to enrol in military services for war! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Can any of those groups do the same?

cornelboy:
If you don't understand ask questions.

Some ACTIONS becomes meaningless when people have made up their minds on what they will do but when it happens to them they will believe in the ACTIONS than the WORDS!

sonmvayina:
I agree.
But you don't follow facts. That is the difference between you and me..

Facts supposed to WORK OUT what is VISIBLE and BENEFITIAL to one and all.
So if you can't point to any benefit enjoyed by adherents of your beliefs how are you sure that it's facts?

Broveens42:
Hahahaha... Religion ntooor
The implication of your statement is that Jesus is both human and spirit at resurrection in whatever ever gesture, but you have made that character a liar when he said he can be handled for A spirit has no flesh just AS THEY HAD SEEN..
It didn't say the spirit ( which would exclusively be reserved for the character)
A spirit ( general fact that they cannot have dual nature as reported by Luke not you)

There many things he wish they understand but they can't until God's Holy Spirit come upon them {John 16:12-13} it was after they've been baptized in the spirit that they realized that at his resurrection Jesus became a life giving SPIRIT! 1Corinthians 15:45

Broveens42:
You are the one that need to calm down and get a grasp of what the character is saying...; that he can be touched because he is flesh at the resurrection... Please what's your tribe let me see if I can get an interpreter to translate in your language..

Language comes in two forms:
© Verbal
© Gesture

According to his SPEECHES (verbal language) Jesus is not a spirit he is human but according to his ACTIONS (gestures) Jesus has become a spirit person who can't sleep where others sleeps, not stay long with others rather he only appears and disappears at will.

Now imagine you're to translate what he's saying to someone from China who doesn't understand his language do you expect such a person to agree with your translation or what really happened!

Templee333:
one needs to be funny at times

The point here is that only JWs have the organization that's envied because they're the only true religion.
As for all others they just exist along with the rest they don't even know why they have to cross unlike JWs that left other religions to be part of God's organization!

afficionado7:
MaxInDHouse you have gone off-tangent a bit, but it's okay. First, why do you assume that 'each atheist will love to have a family of his or her own and probably children in their marriage'? This is simply not true. Some atheists, just like some christians or some muslims or some jews don't want to get married or have kids. In fact, among atheists there's a higher proportion of antinatalists.
Secondly, 'no mortal man can answer these questions'? Really? Atheists generally approach questions based on reason and available evidence. How did we get here? Big bang? Evolution? What are we doing here? I don't know. Right now, I'm typing. Where do we go from here? Well personally, I'm thinking of the mall. What is happening to our loved ones? They're decomposing, like every other dead animal. Why so much injustice and suffering? Well, why so much joy and fulfilment?
Now let's assume we don't have the answers to these questions. What does it matter? What does it prove other than that humans face existential questions?

We are intelligent beings that must coexist with our kind so in the absence of knowledge about these things asked we will continue to make this planet a hell for ourselves!

Mufakirnaqdiun:
In other words i don't need a god,lol.

Surely none of us need any God if we can exist without having to deal with other humans as in intelligent beings like ourselves but if we have to coexist with our kind then we need a SUPREME BEING: GOD!

Broveens42:
Even if we know this things are just stories, none of the highlighted proves the character wasn't flesh....
The only proof that he was flesh was stated by the character... any other thing you Wana make out of it would end up giving two contrasting accounts, which is a very popular thing in the good book anyway

Broveens42:
This questions you are asking me only proves that anybody can do his own conjectures to suit his own narrative of the good book...
I can decide to do this:
That Jesus on Earth was a spirit but was seen as flesh... because when they tried killing him before his time, He left unnoticed or what you call 'disappearing'...
So they put the spirit to death, thinking he was flesh. And the spirit died after crying out severally at night. The spirit resurrected to God because he was not flesh...but the spirit had to appear as flesh to be visible to doubting thomas.
But what I don't know is that I have given two accounts because the body at crucifixion was reported as gushing water and blood ..
Lol

Please try to be calm my friend, responding twice to a single post speaks a lot more than the words you're typing.


I have told you that Jesus is a spirit being as in higher intelligent beings whose understanding is far much more than that of mortal man. Isaiah 55:8-9
So when it comes to things beyond their grasp it's better to speak to them in the loudest tone: ACTION

According to his body language Jesus is no longer in the body they used to know!

sonmvayina:
No..he is just a figment of somebody's imagination..

Each person is entitled to his own PERSONAL opinion!

saladinnoir:
Thank you as well. And here I thought we were going to have a long argument. Nice meeting you

NO! There's no need arguing there is freedom of speech, expression and association. Each of us wants to be happy and since you're happy i think it's OK i'm a Christian and the assignment Jesus gave us is to fish out those who are sad due to the condition we find ourselves and tell them the Good News of God's Kingdom. But since you're OK with the system that means you're not one of our kind!

sonmvayina:
Lol..is it about crowd?

Or those walking in Gods light?
Choose for yourself.

Where are they?
So i can know how well they're ORGANIZED since everyone in religion believes they're walking in God's light. Matthew 7:16-18

Mufakirnaqdiun:
Me I dey at peace with myself as an atheist,I don't need any god to be morally sound.
The reason religious people are always acting kind is because their god say they should,I take full responsibility for anything that happens not blaming the devil or hoping on one god.
If things go right then good,if it goes wrong then we keep moving.
We were all born irreligious but due to childhood indoctrination everyone feels their religion is the true one.

You only feel so because you try to compare yourself with religious people and seeing that you're somehow better of than some of them you choose to be irreligious.

saladinnoir:
Philosophy and science have both answered all the above stated questions. If they are not satisfactory for you then they are satisfactory for others.
What is the purpose of life?
Primarily it's the propagation of ones genes but one could take a more intellectual route and explore existentialism, absurdism, nihilism and the likes.
How did we get here?
Evolution, millions of years of molecules and organism in conflict and cooperation
Where do we go from here?
To nothingness
Why so much injustice and suffering?
A interplay of genetics , man's selfish nature and his limited capacity for empathy, material condition, the absence and presence of which can lead to war, exploitation theft e.t.c The material precedes the moral, your environment determines your behaviour. Selective pressure for survival as well plays a role.
Two you're a good example of my second post, that religion thrives on ignorance and mental weakness, your anxieties have chased from facing the reality of existence and have held you from studying the literature or even exploring.
The fact that you think you know who the real intellectuals, the term itself is highly subjective, are is an advertisement of religiously fueled ignorance and a fear of existence. So you squirrel into a mental hole and try to use the farce of divine objectivity as a shield. You cannot disprove so you disparage.
Could you show me this Satan guy he sounds swell. You can't use a story to justify itself. In the world of Harry Potter witches can fly on brooms if a man we're to make this his religion he would not be able to prove it practically, as it defies the laws of physics, this is same with Satan and all religion they exist in on themselves but cannot be verified objectively.
Satan himself is very likely a pervertion of, or heavily influenced by, Ahriman from zoroastrianism. Zoroastrianism is where the idea of a duality of forces, light and dark governed by two different entities is first recorded in religious history.

From this response it's obvious you've gotten it all figured out just as i did too but my own i was able to get through studying the Bible.
Well it's all the same since you're happier now than you were in Islam my own happiness came through the study of the Bible with JWs then i left Islam.
Thanks for your time!

afficionado7:
I've noticed that almost all the atheists I've come across are kinder, more generous, and generally more morally sound than most christians and muslims. Atheists seem to be more open-minded and less judgemental. They seem to be more at peace with themselves and have better self-awareness.
I've also noticed that, generally speaking, the more religiously devout a person is, the less tolerant they are, and the more suspicious they seem to be of people who don't practice the same religion as them.
Why is this so?

ATHEISM is surviving alongside RELIGION due to the long history of false religions so atheists feel better without religion but in reality atheists are completely empty when it comes to wisdom.

HOW?

Each atheist will love to have a family of his or her own and probably children in their marriage, these children will need training on how to develop their mental balance and that largely depends on what parents teach them about life.
Questions like:

How did we get here?
What are we doing here?
Where do we go from here?
What is happening to our dead loved ones?
Why so much injustice and suffering?

No mortal man can answer these questions and these are the things locked up in the minds of children as they continue to grow which determines the type of person they will later become.

So if you can't find satisfying answers to these questions how do you convince a child that morality has benefits?

cornelboy:
I learnt something in the second to the last paragraph. So Jesus was not raised as a human with physical flesh but as a spirit being he was in heaven. That's perfect.

Most Bible readers just follow the book without medication.
Any intelligent reader supposed to ask:

©Why is it that Jesus never walked with his friends again after his resurrection?
©Why is he appearing and disappearing at will without informing them?
©Where exactly is he staying after resurrection?
©Why did he ask John to take care of Mary before his death?

If Jesus actually resurrected with his physical body do you think things will change?

Well the simple answer is that Jesus' human body is the sacrifice required to redeem mankind so he can't take it back after offering it so the only thing he could do to assure his friends that he's now alive again is make up a body and do things he usually does in their presence. So to bid the earth farewell he asked all his friends to meet him and in their very eyes he was taken to heaven showing them that he is returning to his former abode! John 8:23

saladinnoir:
Exposure to the truth. Religion is a mix of ignorance and mental weakness. When you eliminate both you inevitably renounce it.
Truth in the context refers to scientific and historical truths. The most striking one being that most stories in abrahamic holy books are a collection of myths from sumerian, mesopotamian, egytian e.t.c civilizations that were altered over time.

The TRUTH is there are two rival forces, light and darkness to be precise. The forces of light put people on the right path to life while the forces of darkness put people on the path that leads to death.
Satan and his cohorts (demons) created many religions throughout the world in opposition to the one true religion so that by the time you get fed up with all the contradictions in the name of religion you will not like to hear anything about God again.
Science and history are the greatest rivals as in enemies to real intellectuals but to the gullible ones they often feel both are working together.

For your information history deals with what has happened in the past and since we never met any of those involved we can only reason along with their records as we try to imagine ourselves being there when those events took place.
Science on the other hand is the journey of mankind from primitive life to modern times as man continue to discover his hidden potentials and that of our planet home.

Neither science nor history could satisfactorily answer life's most important questions like:

What is the purpose of life?
How did we get here?
Where do we go from here?
Why so much injustice and suffering?

There are many more questions bothering the heart of a living person and that's what is shaping our personality, when a child is born he or she looks like an angel but as they grow to face life's anxieties with no satisfying answers to the questions bothering their minds each forms a personal opinion about life, and this is what determines the type of person they will be: Ritualists, Hired Killers, Armed Robbers, Kidnappers, Rapists, Fraudsters, Prostitutes, Homosexuals, Lesbians, Bestialists, Terrorists, Witches and many more.

So i wish Science and history could satisfactorily address those questions then we can start preparing the minds of the up coming generations on how to make this planet a haven but it's so unfortunate science and history can't except the one against whom Satan is trying to make Science and History an enemy: the one and only true God!

favourobaro90:
Religion, especially Christianity and Islam has destroyed and decimated the African society.

You aren't seen nothing yet in false religions claiming denominations in Christendom, Jesus has called out his own people before all these started {Revelations 18:4} they've formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} only honest hearted and sincere individuals can RECOGNIZE Jesus' group today! Matthew 7:13-14

Broveens42:
I think you have ran out of ideas recently
So the implication of your statement is that body and spirit is of same nature. Since according to your good book...the resurrected spirit was touched...(sense of feeling) ?
In one episode the women heard a voice not to touch biblical Jesus for He had not ascended to the father.
In another episode:
Luke 24
37 But they were terrified and frightened, and SUPPOSED they had seen a SPIRIT. 38.And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39. Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for A SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE FLESH and BONES as you see.
* The reporter of the text used the word "supposed" ...which means they didn't see a spirit..
* For A spirit does not .... ( This is an established statement/fact according to luke, if you distort this fact, you have made the biblical character a liar. Your narrative would be best suited for the statement; For spirit does not...
"For A spirit.. is statement of fact"
*So when you say his body transformed then you are the one actually reporting not Luke
Kai religion has even made people not to grab simple English on their own, even if this things are just stories..

Really appreciate your concern and the interest shown Sir.
First of all humans are flesh and the only way you can ascertain the existence of a living man is his physically ACTIVE body, this same goes with a spirit being. The only difference here is that spirits don't have physical bodies because they weren't created in the same form like humans who were made out of the dust of the earth {Genesis 2:7} but whenever they have an unfinished business with humans they make up a materialized body to become visible to humans. Genesis 6:1-4; 18:1-8; 32:24

Unlike all other descendants of Adam Jesus' life didn't begin here {John 8:23} he existed even before the creation of this earth {Proverbs 8:22-31; John 1:2; Colossians 1:15-16} after God transformed Jesus' life into an embryo in the womb of Mary and he was born as a human he knew he doesn't belong here so he never lived a normal human life of getting married and having children like everyone other person. So after completing his earthly assignment he said: "it is accomplished" {John 19:30} this is evidence that he is not just a man.
The body with which he lived as a man is what is needed to redeem mankind not the person himself so after those angels have carried off Jesus' body at his resurrection he returned to his former life as a spirit being only to appear and disappear at will just as the Israelites knew angels often do before then.
That's why in most cases his own disciples who knew him very well couldn't recognize him again not until he starts acting like the man they knew very well: Jesus! Luke 24:31

Before he died he said something that is very noteworthy:

“I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come" John 16:12-13

His disciples are Jews who has been taken to other nations and gotten mixed thoughts about ghosts (living dead) from pagan nations so they can't fully understand what happened to their beloved master and friend Jesus, but after they became baptized with Holy Spirit {Act 2:1-4} the sacred secrets became clear to them and they found out that at his resurrection Jesus is no longer a human in the form of Adam but he has returned to his former life to become a life giving spirit! 1Corinthians 15:45

Thanks for your concern and may you have PEACE!

cornelboy:
See if you have anything tangible to bring just bring it. Was the Torah inspired by God or work of literature?

He is one of THEIR BROTHERS {Luke 16:27-28} he will gladly join those practicing what he's trying to condemn once they come up against you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses yet afterwards he will start insulting them while they do same to him! Luke 11:23

Walahi talahi it's good to be one of Jesus' true followers!
Maturity is a blessing! 1Peter 3:15