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Wilgrea7:
Sir, you're not describing belief.. you're describing knowledge. I don't believe my load won't float into space. I know it won't. The astronauts on the moon KNOW what the gravity is.. belief plays no part here.

Ọmọ no dey lie for public forum like this!
Whatever makes you believe in something is the same as knowing, if you have a wife, son or daughter they are humans like everyone else yet you know (believe) that there are certain things they will hide from others but will never hide from you. Why did you believe them? It's because you know them too well!

There are lots of scientists who are atheists. There are lots who are agnostic, christian, muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Deist and so on.

So just like all other fields science is not the property of atheists!

Secondly... I'm not challenging “God".. whatever that means.. I'm challenging the concept of God that people believe in. The things people say about God and what He/she/They/It does.

Stop lying, if you're not challenging God then present your own concept of God!

Thirdly, i showed you that inventions are not exclusive to humans ... We may be the most advanced, but we're not the only ones. Why are you trying to deny reality?

Present the inventions of any other creatures that has improved like humans!

Templee333:
do u believe the HOLY KORAN as God's word? ur answer to my question is also my answ to ur question.

cornelboy:
From my personal experience, you can't leave JW.org and still believe in God, you'd rather become an athiest or stop attending any church.

I was once a Muslim and i can prove to anyone that the Qu'ran is neither holy nor the word of God!

Templee333:
do u believe the HOLY KORAN as God's word? ur answer to my question is also my answ to ur question.

My brother (Cornelboy) is right!

You're an atheist!

Wilgrea7:
Knowledge and belief are not related. If you know something, there's no point in trusting it. I know gravity exists. Trusting that a ball will hit the ground when I toss it makes no sense. I don't trust it will hit the ground. I don't believe so. I KNOW so.

There you go again!
Guy you believe in gravity that's why you can keep you load on the ground and BELIEVE (TRUST) in gravity that it's going to be there not floating in the air, astronauts won't do the same on the moon!

You call scientists miscreants on one hand, and then make reference to our creative ability on the other hand. Impressive.

Real scientists don't claim atheists challenging God it's liars like you impersonating scientists all of us are scientists as long as we are inventing one thing or another that's why God said He created us in His image.

So stop deceiving yourselves!

Templee333:
and how is it ur business? Did i use ur own head,hands,leg to explore the religions?

Was chatting with my own as in MY OWN brother not you!

Wilgrea7:
I've told you .. the mechanism of evolution is evident. There's no debate about that.
If you're talking about the first forms we evolved from, saying "I don't know" is not the same as saying "I believe it was X and Y"
I fail to see where faith is applied in this scenario

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Wilgrea7:
No. Not even the slightest. In contrast, science shows that male and female humans EVOLVED alongside each other, rather than one being spontaneously created from the rib of the other.

Of course it takes a measure of faith to speak in this manner when you can't prove it with only to end up saying:

Wilgrea7:
“I don't know"

Whereas you want to correct the faith of others who choose to believe in creation simply because they have no vivid proof apart from what was written in the Bible.

So you're just like the guy having a log of wood in his eyes but pointing to a speck of sand in the eye of his neighbour!

Dangerousboy:
God bless you for such an intelligent response

And you too!

MindHacker9009:
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Keep waiting for the promised Messiah along with those Jews ṣ'óogbọ́!

Organiccourses:
someone who behaves badly or does not obey rules:

If this is the definition of MISCREANT then i'm 100% right for calling some idiots who came to the RELIGION section of a public forum only to start arguing with intelligent people for being OBEDIENT to virtuous rules!

Dangerousboy:
And how did you know about Jesus or salvation is it not through the bible?
You advised me to know God, how am I going to know him, is it not through his word the bible? If there's any other way lemme know.

The Bible is just like a letter God used people from a nation (Israel) to write it as His secretaries then sent it to all the nations through a group His only begotten Son established!

As for how to know about the existence of God people from all nations have agreed upon that due to the things they see and heard.
So unlike other nations that learned about God through sight and sound the Bible is to help you know more in details Sir!

Freksy:
Impliedly, believe in evolution of man and woman requires some kind of faith.

Whenever i come in contact with atheists i try to respect them but then they'll prove to be brainless!

If they lived in the days of Elijah they can't believe that some flying vessel can carry humans and fly through the sky but today they're now claiming the glory of inventors of technology wanting to make sense out of nonsense.
What exactly has man invented that God hasn't used in the Bible?
Talk telecommunications God spoke to human from heaven just like mobile devices.
Talk of submarines God carried Jonah in the belly of a whale through the ocean.
Talk of surgery and body transplant God used a rib to form Eve.
Talk of electricity God made a pillar like giant florescent to lead His people throughout the night.
All these are things that these hopeless idiots would have said "it's not logical" if not that man made in God's image are now copying from what the CREATOR has used in the past.

So when they doubt anything in the Bible just because man has not discovered it i look at them like FOOLS!

cornelboy:
Do you believe the Bible as God's word?

Cornelboy, you like this Àjàlá travel guy o!

Consider his missionary journey but unlike Paul he's not being faithful to any course:

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Journey to the land of Eckankar.

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Journey to the land of Olumba.

©https://www.nairaland.com/7279788/experience-wind-change-temple-universe
Journey to the land of temple universe.

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Journey to JW organization.

Just that he ended his story from where he supposed to start!

YES!

daddy001:
you have just won yourself a million pounds for this " Creator created humans in his own image and humans are creating things which we term technologies.very good point,end of discussion.

No Sir, i only quoted a book and analyze what i found written in it.
The winner is the Author of the book that said:

“Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:26

I think this book is right if no other creature is able to CREATE things big enough to carry loads and can move fast on land, water even fly in the sky. Surely the CREATOR has made man in His likeness!

Dawn91:
..what do you need us to do for you sir. Don't be ashamed we have all been there. It's obvious something is amiss.
Have you eaten at all today ? Don't be shy share you account details so the brethren here can come to your aid.

What a pity!

Ó mà ṣeo!

cornelboy:
Whoa! That makes a lot of sense

I don dey their camp before so i sabi wetin fit silence them with all their professors!

cornelboy:
Only if you could just be reasonable once in your life.

How do you expect spiteful antichrists wanting to control others agree with reasoning? 1John 2:18

They are Satan's weeds oversown in the field of fine seeds who wants to hijack the control from the Governing Body by establishing their own righteousness {Romans 10:2-3} but unlike their brothers {Luke 16:28} in the first century who were allowed to have their way {Matthew 13:29} today Jesus is back with his angels who are speeding up the harvesting {Matthew 13:30} so they're no longer allowed to devastate the camp, now bitter behind the fence they're crying to their sort to come and join them! 1John 2:19

When you read their comments please note the bitterness in them and try to meditate if truly they're doing this from a good conscience because ordinarily each person is free to choose how he or she will live his life but these ones are doing as if they must determine what others should do. That's why when they notice that you're questioning their authority they become so bitter and start calling you names!

May JEHOVAH protect us from them because during the great tribulations these are those that will lead Satan's armies in hunting God's people {Revelations 16:14} since they knew a lot about us!

MindHacker9009:
It's in fact the other way round as those leaving that organisation today are like the ones leaving 400 years Israelites slavery in Egypt. The slavery today is that of the mind and once they start using their thought process then their mind is set free from the mind slavery today.

Naaaaaaaaaa you got it all wrong Sir!

In Egypt they were slaves to a King who has no moral values but a God came and took them to another place where they were given laws binding on all of them.

So even though they've been freed from Egypt they are not in control of the way they are to live their lives they are still under a owner!

Wilgrea7:
Wrong analogy. Very wrong.

You seem to be wanting to eat your cake and have it. Knowledge and belief are 2 very different things.

Everything we know about the origin of the universe is based on scientific fact. The things we don't know, some of us are honest enough to say we don't know.

Creation of the universe by the Christian God is not based on fact. Ironically, the evidence negates it.

Your belief that the Christian God created the world, and then made man from dust, and woman from rib is not something you can provide evidence for. It is a belief.

You cannot simply jump from a belief, to an “I don't know" which is still based on the very same belief you can't provide evidence for.

Logic doesn't work like that.

If you want to say you don't know, then be honest enough to say that you don't know who created the universe.. or how it was created.. because the things you believe in based on your book, have no evidence for them.

My friend knowledge and belief are closely related, because it's what you know that you believe (trust) but in case you have no evidence to back it up then it's called credulity.

What you just did with the word EVOLVE is not knowledge since you have no proof but when we talk about the Creator who claims to make man out of all other earthly creatures in His own image of course we have an indisputable evidence: out of all the creatures on planet earth only man can INVENT (CREATE) things which flawed your so called evolution theory because no animal has ever evolved into something else whereas man has continued to prove that we were created in the image of a CREATOR! Genesis 1:26

Organiccourses:
You have solid points here, but as a xtian, you can comment and put out your points without using vulgar and derogatory words, how can you call scientists 'miscreants'?
If not science, will you be here typing on a smartphone? Your choice of words doesn't make you a good xtian you portray to be, you can argue without being insultive, many of your comments are always insultive

What is the meaning of the word MISCREANT?

If you know then think about what people who has nothing to do with faith in God are doing on the religious section of this forum.

Thanks!

Dawn91:
You are acting strange and very unstable. Is everything alright with you sir ?
Do you need any assistance?

“When an unclean spirit comes out of a man, it passes through waterless places in search of a resting-place and finds none. Then it says, ‘I will go back to my house from which I moved,’ and on arriving, it finds the house unoccupied but swept clean and adorned. Then it goes and takes along with it seven different spirits more wicked than itself, and after getting inside, they dwell there; and the final circumstances of that man become worse than the first. That is how it will be also with this wicked generation.” Matthew 12:43-45

Faith is all about continuous assessment that has to do with one's physical, spiritual, mental and emotional state {2Corinthians 13:5} so we need to continue with the intake of solid spiritual food {Hebrews 5:12-14} because the devil is observing each person looking for the best time to strike {1Peter 5:8} once Satan notice that an individual is no longer filling his figurative heart with good things demons more wicked than what was driven away from the person's heart will come to settle in his heart then he will become what you're seeing in this people! Luke 6:45

KnownUnknown:
Bullshit

OK Sir!

KnownUnknown:
Bullshit.
F#ck your god and your slave masters called the governing body, and may you continue to wallow in cultish delusion.

The truth is nobody is forcing the gospel down your throat, i only blame misinformed Churchgoers shouting in buses and street corners claiming they're preaching.

The Bible supposed to come to be brought to your doorstep with greetings so that you can discuss heartily with your neighbour bearing the message not the other way around where you've been threatened with eternal torment in fire which is making you feel defensive like a crab.

Nobody told you that Jesus was Joseph's biological child Sir!

Jesus said:

“Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it" Matthew 7:13-14

Atheism can be traced all the way back to the garden of Eden when Adam and Eve decided to become their own gods {Genesis 3:1-5} right from that time the barrier has been set between faithful and faithless people {Genesis 3:15} the faithful will always love to walk with their specie like sheep while the faithless will walk alone like goats.

So do not think that the tag ATHEIST is all about individuals denying the existence of the SUPREME BEING (GOD)

NO! Rather Atheism cut across all kinds of religion that failed to inculcate in their members the same line of thought! John 17:22

xproducer:
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Read the Holy Scriptures...

Mankind can be born twice - 1. in the flesh, and 2. in the spirit only by the operation of GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT! (John 3:1-8)

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and[b] that which is born of the Spirit is spirit[/b]." - John 3:5-6

... so also mankind can die twice - 1. in the flesh, and 2. in the spirit and soul.

"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." - Daniel 12:2

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8 (also Revelation 2:11, Revelation 20:6, Revelation 20:14)

"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear." - Matthew 13:41-43


Today is still the day of salvation:

"The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise." - Psalm 51:17

Please what's your point exactly?

Wilgrea7:
“I don't know"

In the same manner nobody knows how the Creator used a rib from Adam to create Eve.
So scientists who weren't there can't teach people how life came to be which means it's either this or that you only choose what you like to believe not what you can prove!

mrblake:
hmmmmm......Identifying them is a great deal of challenge

To IDENTIFY true disciples of Christ "it's by their FRUIT" {Matthew 7:16} this means after Jesus has commissioned his group there is a RECOGNIZABLE pattern they follow so that in every city they go observers can IDENTIFY them as followers of the man called "CHRIST"
In Antioch they were IDENTIFIED easily that's why the inhabitants of first century Antioch called them "CHRISTIANS" Act 11:26

So let's check the characteristics of the FRUIT of God's organization or TREE! John 15:1-8

© Jesus is the head of this group {Ephesians 5:23} so all reasonings must be in harmony with his thoughts! 1Corinthians 2:16

© When his true disciples go out for preaching they must be in pairs! Luke 10:1

© They must not pollute their neighbourhood with noise in the name of preaching! Matthew 12:19

©They are to go from house to house and door to door {Romans 10:15} so as to ask for permission before speaking! Matthew 10:11-13

© This makes it easy for whoever wants to turn their preaching down to say "NO i'm not interested" Matthew 10:14-15

© They must not participate in any activity that can lead to hatred for neighbours {Mark 12:31} because they must love fellow believers in fact be prepared to lay down their lives for their fellow believers just as Christ did if the need arises! John 13:34-35

© They must be ready to help anyone no matter the sinful condition of such a person {Luke 7:47 compare to Luke 23:43} it's God's will that ALL OBEDIENT MANKIND is saved! Zephaniah 2:2-3

© They don't expect material possessions in return for the sacred services they render! Matthew 10:8

© They must live simple not (notice me) lifestyles so they're not materialistic! Matthew 6:19-24

All these are the FRUIT of CHRISTIANITY powered by God's Holy Spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} while other religions from demons also have their peculiar FRUITS {Galatians 5:19-21} that's why Jesus could say:

"every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Matthew 7:17-18

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

cornelboy:
I saw in one old thread that you were once a JW but left due to some reasons best known to you. And you have been a fugitive looking for where to go but couldn't find.

Once they're out of JW no religion can contain them because JW organization is the coolest place for anyone to be, in other religions they already know that it's all about extortion so they will tell you they believe in JEHOVAH but they're not associating with any group. Then they become open-minded to all religions except Jehovah's Witnesses organization as if they're ready to worship elsewhere whereas no place can contain them since there's no religion where members are not controlled one way or another and that's what they're campaigning against "MIND CONTROL"!
One now begin to wonder why are they not speaking against other religions since all of them do control the thinking of their followers?

And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart. Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5

At death all creatures return to dust and the force powering their breath return to the giver {Ecclesiastes 12:7 compare to Genesis 2:7} so at death man has paid FULLY for all his sin {Romans 6:7} because the ultimate wage for sin is DEATH! Romans 6:23 compare to Genesis 3:19

Templee333:
All the explanations are meaningles & irelevant,yet the JW think they have some special knowledge that others don't have. I took time to study those shit so & felt special for knowing the sacred secret of God.

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war any more! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Only JWs have a GOVERNING BODY who are able to grasp that POLITICS and RACISM is Satan's crafty tool {Ephesians 6:11} of getting people enroll into MILITARY SERVICES so that they can continue killing one another gladly! Revelations 6:3-4

One thing i have noticed ever since i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses is the anxiety that's driving people crazy after they leaves the JW organization. It's like something drags you guys away giving you lots of reasons to look down on the Governing Body whose followers will never raise weapons against their neighbours then carry you to the other side of the chasm {Luke 16:26} where you will gladly kill or support the killing of your neighbour due to POLITICS powered by RACISM. Revelations 6:3-4

Please try to think over this and see if truthfully JWs don't have SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL OF YOU LACK:

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. Hosea 4:6 (Holy Bible)

Who will remember you and your children if your death comes through MILITARY SERVICES that's as a result of POLITICS powered by RACISM {Matthew 24:10} when God's only begotten Son has called Jehovah's Witnesses out from under Satan's veil that's blurring your senses {Revelations 18:4} to love neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} and to love their fellow believers as Jesus loves them? John 13:34-35

Surely JWs have something special that all other religions LACKS {Isaiah 65:11-14} no wonder the true GOD began calling them by another group name:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

KnownUnknown:
Jehovah’s witless scum lie so easily. But what do you expect from common cult members.
16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ

He begat Sir means became father to Joseph through marriage to Mary (Jacob's daughter)

That's why you will notice a slight difference in the lineage from David to Joseph in Luke's account because Luke was talking about Joseph's ancestry while Matthew was referring to Mary's ancestry.

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

ANTIlSLAM:
But you said Oògùn jẹ oúnjẹ, abi which kind confusion dey worrying your life self
ORIN DAFIDI 104:14
O mu koriko dagba fun ẹran, ati ewebẹ fun ìlo enia: ki o le ma mu onjẹ jade lati ilẹ wá;
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, ask your sister's husband (babalawo) to tell you the ewebe that will cure your confusion

Funny Churchgoer jumping from pillar to post!