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Jokerman:
Oga, hear Jesus Christ Himself speaking to John....

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.


Can Archangel Michael make these claims??

All angels (Archs, cherubs and seraphs etc) and all things are under the lordship of our saviour and Master Jesus Christ.

Archangel Michael is a separate entity from the Lord

All authority has been given to this Angelic Son of God so when he speaks now it's unlike before he was given that AUTHORITY by the most high God! Matthew 28:18

Cloud007:
Touch not my anointed....
A lot of people use this as a weapon to slave unbelievers.

God is not talking so that religious leaders should mimick it before those criticizing them rather God is talking to politicians and rulers who may get provoked due to the message of God's servants. Matthew 14:3-10; Act 12:1-2

Because when the sin gets on God's nerve He will kill the politician so that everyone can see that it's divine judgment! Act 12:21-23

May you have PEACE!

From God's standpoint all the descendants of Adam will surely grow old, get sick and die because we have all inherited sin and death through sin! Romans 5:12

So Jesus' teachings will give us the privilege to reconcile with our heavenly father {John 1:11-12} all those who are practicing what Jesus taught has their names written in God's memory book {Malachi 3:16 compare to Revelations 20:15} but all those that feel God is not needed are walking corpse already because if God's Kingdom should come today they will all be exterminated {Luke 19:27} and if they should die naturally due to Adamic sin they will not be remembered during the resurrection of worthy ones! Psalms 9:17

So while believers have crossed from that condition to the other side with the prospect of everlasting life in view {John 11:25-26} the wicked are just like walking corpse!

RealEzee:
honestly things don change yet not so hard if only we search the scriptures and research the history as we seek the guidance of God guun.

Omo no be like back then na by force oo the extent of the church after the apostles was fierce ,crusade no be this ones way we dey do here say na ori oke prayers ,twas real battles back then

Satan only used politics and military forces to promote trinity since he knew very well that no normal human will swallow that gibberish!

ponishah:
Did you understand title of the thread at all?
Na people like you dey always cause this problem of misinterpretation: just here you have already misinterpreted the title of the thread.

Let the OP talk for himself!

josephogaga:
Verse 18 wasn't talking about physical being.,

The verse 1 was talking about the word that proceed out of God ( which is Jesus) then he hasn't gotten a body.

Guy no human (Adam's descendants) has seen God at any point in time {John 1:18} but as for angels they do have face to face meeting with the Almighty God {Job 1:6} so they are seeing Him life!

Kentuforchrist:
Jesus is God Himself bro

Until u understand u may never know the truth

Convince yourself first why he was crying (begging) for help! Matthew 27:46 compare to Hebrew 5:7

Please who heard Jesus' prayers according to Hebrew 5:7?

holaruc:
God the father God the son God the holy spirit. 1 john 5:7

Sorry that verse was added by trinitarians it's not part of the inspired scriptures.
Apart from the KJV used by trinitarians read other versions of the Bible then come back and tell me what you find there!

Arkmanbuddy:
You're truly ignorant!
Jesus Christ is God because he's the word of God, the actualizer of the commands of God. He formed all things, including man, at the command of God the father. So, he's also God. This may sound confusing to you because you may think that's polytheistic!

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Check this: if your boss gives you the authority to sack a junior staff and you choose anyone of them to be sacked, you'll be doing it with the authority vested in you, acting on behalf of your boss. That's what John 1v1 is saying.

Do you know Moses is God? Exodus 7:1

Well both Moses and Jesus served as God under the command of the one who sent both of them. That's why God told the Israelites that He will send another prophet like Moses who served as both prophet and God {Deuteronomy 18:15-19} apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus of Nazareth is that prophet who came in the manner of Moses the prophet who WAS also God! Act 3:22

May you have PEACE!

Nerogaming01:
The word was Jesus christ.

NO the word IS Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God!

RealEzee:
Omo u dey give dem hot hot

The secret is that most trinitarians themselves don't know what they're worshiping {John 4:22} trinity is the initiative of Satan the devil and Satan make sure he exterminated all the Apostles before introducing trinity {Revelations 17:5-6} since it doesn't make any sense the concept must be enforced otherwise trinitarians can't preach and convince a single soul. That's why Jesus called trinity a harlot because the concept needs the support of politicians and military services to push it to places since those involved are arrogant and they don't know how to convince people. Revelations 17:1-2

So they're using weapons to intimidate people everywhere they go in the name of CRUSADES.
That's what the British brought to Africa not CHRISTIANITY because Christians have to PREACH (PLEAD) with their neighbours before you can convince them about God's Kingdom! Matt 10:11-13

You will notice how fierce trinitarians becomes each time they come across anyone that speak against their meaningless concept. Well it's not their fault that's exactly how the religion was forced on our people back then, trinitarians came with colonialism forcing their religion on people not preaching zealously from house to house!

Jokerman:
So Angel Michael is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, as written from the scriptures I showed you??

In the Bible book of Revelation there are several talking so if care is not taking you will mix the utterances!

Alpha and Omega is Jehovah God Himself and Jesus can say he knew the beginning of evil and the end of badness.

RealEzee:
abi ooo,just that Trinitarians kinda find it hard to see it plainly

Everything Jesus said and did proved that he has someone to whom he is completely submissive! 1Corinthians 15:27-28

RealEzee:
true talk
Worship the Father in the name of the son

Excellent!
No one can even come any close to God's glory without the Son! John 1:11-12; 14:6

RealEzee:
Well God the Father and God the son are distinct entities/separate beings ,with one purpose which is about the salvation and eternal life of mankind sha.

That's the simple truth, we can later disagree on something else but at least Jesus and his father aren't the same person!

osuulola:
Why did Jesus accept people's worship?

Jesus never accept worship from anyone it's trinitarian's misinterpretation that caused all that rubbish, according to Jesus he himself and all obedient humans worship the same father and God! John 20:17

okeyfineboy:
This verse simply refers to the only begotten son of God which is JESUS CHRIST..the WORD simply is JESUS CHRIST..He has been in existence even before the world was created..

Correct! Proverbs 8:22-31

immaculatesense:
Now ur falling my hand...are the Greek words in both passage the same? Answer ooo...cos u know English and translation are restrictibe but the etymology of the original language is what matters and not the language of translation...
Or is it?

Guy the Bible said "the word with God" and that means there were TWO separate persons! John 17:3
So whether beside the father or in the bosom of the father none support the idea that the word is the father rather he is God's Son one of God's creation that's why the Bible referred to him as the first born of creation, nobody can be firstborn if not part of those been born!

ume1000:
and let all God's angel worship him
It's in the book of Hebrews (give or take chapter 12k

The text was mistranslated WORSHIP the real meaning is OBEISANCE only one God there is to be worshiped and it's the father alone! Mark 12:29
So all authority was given to Jesus after his successfully earthly mission {Matt 28:18 compare to John 19:30} so all loyal creatures both in heaven and on earth were ordered to OBEY him. Of course there are billions of creatures who aren't taking this order seriously so they will be exterminated! Luke 19:27

It's not WORSHIP but OBEISANCE!

Steep:
So the demons were speaking figuratively when the asked Jesus not to torment them before the time?
You have no where to hide other than to further disgrace yourself.

Check the full meaning of TORMENT according to the dictionary and cure your ignorance!

Jokerman:
Mr JW, when Archangel Michael confronted the archangel Lucifer over Moses body, why couldn't he rebuke the Devil instantly, but said "The Lord Rebuke thee?....

Remember even on earth, Jesus rebuked the devil instantly, that is without the spiritual body, that angel Michael had.

Mr Churchgoer, there is only one Archangel in the Bible and his name is Michael.
He couldn't do a single thing on his own he always rely on orders from his father! John 5:30; 8:28

So if Angel Michael was Jesus, why couldn't he do it then, without calling on the Lord?

• 2nd point, do you think Archangel Michael will have the authority to say this to Apostle John?
Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

No loyal angel can discipline another without orders from the Almighty God who is LORD over all of them, that's why Archangel Michael (Jesus) couldn't deal with Satan then but on planet earth his ministry is on the line so he told Satan "get away from me" he never did anything harmful because God never gave him that authority. That's why the scriptures said Satan left him perhaps for another convenient time! Luke 4:13 compare to Matthew 16:23

The spirit that used Peter as a subtle mean of distraction for Jesus is Satan the devil that's why Jesus who is 100% full of God's Holy Spirit can easily detect Satanic advice!

AntiChristian:
Yeah, it's hilarious Jehovah inspired someone to write breast so many times....

Can you borrow a leaf from this commentator?

AntiChristian:
It's understandable to us and not to you.

immaculatesense:
I already answered u...u used beside is not correct...where u quoted said bossom and not beside...so the answer is the word was in the bossom of God...simple

The bosom never mean the word is God Almighty, Lazarus in Jesus' parable was in the bosom of father Abraham it doesn't mean Lazarus is the same as father Abraham nah!

Steep:
Actually it is God that prepared the everlasting fire.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

That's why it is figurative because God intended to destroy all rebels after Adam's fall but as for Adam's descendants who never partake in the rebellion we are supposed to live forever, that's why God sent Jesus.
For your information Jesus' blood can only redeem obedient mankind not rebels so Adam, Eve and all those that deliberately chose to be evil will be destroyed for good that's what the lake of fire means!

AgirlsNightmAre:
You're just mixing things up, wether or not the Jews used names of Angels in their prayers it doesn't tie in with this particular discussion
A direct reading of Hebrews CHAPTER 1 shows Christ superiority to the angels and clearly shows he is not one of them.
And my first question: Were humans made a little lower than Jesus?

Jesus came in to the scene after the rebellion {Genesis 3:15} so had it been Adam did not fall we don't need to know Jesus at all, Adam would have being our everlasting father {Isaiah 9:6} who will never die but continue to teach us lots of things about his heavenly father who created him and taught him to teach us {Deuteronomy 6:4-6} on this planet but it was due to his death and the way he passed death to all of us that brought Jesus in the scene. Romans 3:23; 5:12; 6:23

So it was one of the angels that came to undue the damage cursed by Satan and the first human pair that rebelled against God! Daniel 12:1-3

As regards your question, Adam was made lower than angels that's why Satan (an angel) thought of ruling over Adam and his descendants because angels are higher than humans in all respect!

So from the beginning we were made lower than angels!

Steep:
Show me the slighlightest insinuations that and death will be tormented even if it is not word for word?
Death is a principle that would have its end in the lake of fire.

Just as joy love will be in heaven, joy and love being in heaven does not make heaven figurative, so the fact that death will be thrown into the lake of fire does not make it to be figurative.

It is figurative because unlike heaven and earth that was mentioned in the opening words of the Bible as created neither hell, death nor lake of fire was mentioned!

Whenever trinitarians face the fact that their trinity God has no place in the scriptures they fights dirty with abusive speeches but that doesn't stop real Bible students from pointing out the errors in trinitarians interpretation of God's word.

Adam and Eve became one but from the start only Adam was created it's due to a need that Eve was suggested! Genesis 2:18-22

According to verse 22 of that same chapter the woman was brought to the man after the successfully surgery, introduced to him before they became a pair. Both of them were separate beings that's why God dealt with them separately after the rebellion. They both shared the blame but the overall blame was for Adam because he knows better! 1Timothy 2:14

The same scenario ensued centuries later when Satan began persecuting Job, under the tensed condition his wife told him to "cause God and die" {Job 2:9} meaning Job should let go of his integrity but Job will never do such a thing. After the whole thing ended God never ask Job to take another wife rather it's the same woman that continued as Job's wife, gave birth to another set of children and they both lived happily afterwards.
So had it been Adam objected to the idea of eating from the forbidden fruit the same thing would have happened because from God's standpoint Eve was the one deceived but Adam's action was deliberate.

God and Jesus are separate persons that's why Jesus always rely on whatever his father (God) says {John 8:28} the father according to Jesus is God the Almighty who is both father and God to all, so Jesus himself worship his father (God) and that's the person Jesus wants us to worship too as our father and God! John 20:17

According to God's law if two men fights dirty and accidentally hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely and nothing affected the baby in her womb both men are free to continue their madness but if anything should affect the fetus in her womb be it the eye or any other part of the babies body was damage God said the man whose blow caused that must pay (not in cash) but eye for eye, limb for limb and life for life, which means it's tantamount to MURDER.

If (two) men should struggle with each other and they hurt a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but no fatality results, the offender must pay the damages imposed on him by the husband of the woman; and he must pay it through the judges. But if a fatality does occur, then you must give life for life! Exodus 21:22-23

So if any man/woman deliberately destroys a fetus how do you think God will view such a destroyer?
Has the person's deed led to the increase of angels in heaven or he's just a MURDERER from God's viewpoint?

Emusan:
This is the correct scripture.
The side of Father! Stop injecting your own delusion
Lastly, the Word WAS GOD!

In the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS with God and the word WAS God

From the above it's clear something is wrong due to John's use of WAS throughout which means the word worked with God but as he is penning down those words the word isn't God rather the word WAS God at some point in time.
Moses WAS God at a point in time too {Exodus 7:1} therefore if Moses worked with God in delivering Israel out of Egypt and WAS God while in Egypt it doesn't mean that Moses IS God rather he served as God at a point in time.
So the correct interpretation of that verse would be:

In the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS God and the word WAS a god/ divine/ godlike

The use of capital for both God and the one with God makes no practical sense because all other verses afterwards shows that the word is God's messenger.

Thank you!

Well we don't believe dead people goes anywhere so i'm following to hear from those claiming dead people (including babies) are in heaven now!

RepoMan007:
The use of the word "man" is somewhat varying in the bible. Satan was called a man. Mankind was also referred to extensively as man. Which of these is verse 18 talking about?

Adam's descendants!

Emusan:
The word is God!

John pictures that with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden.

Let me give you small Bible study on that.

Firstly, The first COUPLE lived alone in the Garden. The two are to be viewed as ONE
>>>Gen 2:24 - In the garden, two persons, the man and the woman, "became one flesh"
>>>Gen 5:1-2
"God created man" (singular)
"He made him" (singular)
"Named them man" (singular)
Yet it says:
"He created THEM male and female" (plural)
"He blessed THEM" (plural)
"and Named THEM" (plural)
"They were created" (plural)
NOTE: The name EVE wasn't given to the woman not until after the fall, so both Male and the female were collectively called MAN.

Secondly, Gen 1:26-27
"Let us make man" (singular)
"God created man" (singular)
"He created him" (singular)
In contrast the same text also says:
"....let them rule" (plural)
"Male and female he created THEM" (plural)

Lastly, Jesus refers to the first couple and after stating "they were one flesh" adds "they are no longer two"

In line of this, would it be wise to say: In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man and the woman was A MAN?

Intellectual mind knows this is a wrong rendition because it will put the woman as A MALE which will be confused as the FIRST MALE.

So the best way to understand that even though both the male and the female were both collectively called "MAN" "them" e.t.c is to render it as: In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man and the woman was MAN

Here intellectual mind knows that the woman was addressed as MAN per her NATURE.

So John 1:1 shows two separate persons with one NATURE (God).

Do you understand?

Bible study 101

No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten son who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. John 1:18

So how come "no man has seen God" and "only begotten son who is at the side of God"

Is the word GOD or someone beside GOD?