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immaculatesense:
Dear MaxinDHouse
Like I always say to u...u are very wonderful...
I agree with u using the scriptural quote .."the secret thing is of the Lord but the one revealed is for us and our children". And "there is nothing secret that will not the revealed and there is nothing hidden that will not be seen and brought to Light". So,standing on this protocol I accept that there are things on God(the Father of Jesus Christ) knows that even Christ himself do not know, neither his angels...not to talk of we mortals. As revealed in;
Matthew 24:36
[36]“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.
And
Revelation 19:12
[12]His eyes were like flames of fire, and on his head were many crowns. A name was written on him that no one understood except himself.

Using the above verses, let me state by exemplifying...we av numerous colours. An individual came said I hide some color that only I knows ..I won't tell u how many they are whether one,two,three or more but this I will tell u...in there is blue and white...whether there are other colors in there is known only to me,u don't need bother. That was the instruction.
When he left...we became curious and stated debating and permutating...few decided to be okay with the two colors,others stated guessing more colours...some may be right,some may be wrong,all may be right,all may be wrong. Nobody knows until d secret owner comes and reveal it...
Conclusion
The names revealed to us are;. Jesus the Messiah/Christ,the Word of God,the Son of God,the Lamb of God etc...others might be there but are not revealed.
Let's stay with the ones that are revealed expressly...they are more than enough for us and our salvation.

Thank u so much MaxinDHouse...keep it up

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus warned us not to let emotions becloud our reasoning to the extent of doing what God will never forgive!

Sinning against the Holy Spirit!

Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.

“For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come"
Matt 12:30-32

Is it right to fight in support of pure worship?
Of course it is {John 2:15} but then we must be careful not to fight against pure worship.

How can one be fighting against pure worship?
Due to our love for God we often feel concerned whenever we hear anything untrue about our God so we speak up against heresy.

But how can we know what is heresy after Jesus has foretold that Satan will pollute pure worship with falsehood? Matt 13:25

Well it's by observing the FRUIT (WORK) of the religion we are suspecting {Matt 7:16-18} because God established pure worship for a purpose so any RELIGION advancing towards the accomplishment of that purpose can't be false!

WHY?

Because all religions are the initiatives of highly intelligent beings (SPIRITS) so each religion will be perfectly established with people (imperfect humans) practicing it.
But how can imperfect humans who have diverse selfish motives come together to WORK in harmony with God's purpose that can't be carried out with selfish motives? Matt 6:24
That's the evidence of God's Holy Spirit!

So once you've found any RELIGION working towards the accomplishment of God's purpose whatever makes you criticize such a religion know that you're not fighting against those imperfect humans practicing the religion but in reality you're fighting as in sinning against the Holy Spirit which God has used to gather imperfect humans for his purpose, surely you can never find a better performing group, and if you can't find any other but they're all SCATTERED spiritually {Luke 11:23} yet you continue fighting against the one and only group achieving what God purposed, it simply means you hate God that's why Jesus said God will not forgive you!

Jokerman:
The Bible explicitly teaches that Jesus is superior to all the angels, including the archangels. Hebrews 1:4–6 says Jesus has: “become as much superior to angels as the name he has obtained is more excellent than theirs. For to what angel did God ever say, “Thou art my Son, today I have begotten thee”? Or again, “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”? And again, when he brings the first-born into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Angels don’t worship other angels; they worship only God.


▪︎ After Jesus’ calmed the storm on the Sea of Galilee, Matthew 14:33 tells us, “Those in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’” In the Old Testament, only God possessed power over the weather and the sea. Biblical scholar Moran Hooker points out that even though the disciples ask, “Who then is this, that even wind and sea obey him?” (Mark 4:41), to the reader of the Gospel “the answer to their question is obvious. It is God who made the sea, and God alone who controls it (Ps. 89:. The authority with which Jesus acts is that of God himself.”

Janosky:
The Hebrew word 'haa.hat' translated " (Hebrew lexicon 259) "the one/ one of" actually means First/Senior"/ leader @ Genesis 4:19, 10:25 & Daniel 10:13.

But most persons misconstrue that and think it's a reference to many archangels.
My bro,eku she oooo!

Janosky:
Oga, thanks for your response.

In Revelation 9,10 and 11, different angels blew trumpet according to the demands of the ssignment given them to perform.
Theirs is not the last trumpet.
1 Thess 4:16, the last trumpet, the Archangel's voice, raising the dead, it's actually the same person , Jesus Christ doing all.

In the holy scriptures, do you notice that Joshua 5:13-15, Daniel 10:13, 2 These 1:7-8 and Revelation 12:7-9 are similar?
Na Jesus be that, leading his Father's heavenly army.
Hebrew word for Angel ('malak') , the meaning is "son/Messenger" (someone sent of God), John 7:16 & 17:18, that's Jesus Christ and the disciples.
From Matthew to Revelation,who is referenced as " the son of man?"
Not Ezekiel ,not Daniel or David, only Jesus Christ.
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From Matthew to Revelation,whose voice will resurrect the dead?

Only Jesus Christ of course!

Shalom.

Jokerman:
Only a confused JW will equate Angel Michael to the Lord Jesus Christ

immaculatesense:
Dear MaximDHouse
My compliment still stand but u and I know ur wiser than wat u just highlighted...I won't like to talk much on that but u know their Hebrew word and phrase for all is the same...so,let's just stop the jab...I don't want us to start chasing clout...I believe u understand.
So,let me continue from where I stopped.
Having through Daniel 10 stated that Angels are greater in rank and there are group and for a purpose. You may wonder why Gabriel's role throughout the scriptures is to deliver messages. Not only him,so Angels whose name were not mentioned also delivered messages to Moses, Zachariah,Mary,manoah,John etc. Since in all this roles they seems to hard fight and know how to war...little did Gabriel was detained until an Angel of war came...little wonder wen even a mortal like Jacob could detain an Angel and the angel even had to beg Jacob to free him but Gabriel seems to be leader of this fold because he said himself that he always stood in the presence of God(not all angels have that opportunity).
Some angels seem to be master of war little wonder an Angel could detroy thousands of able men in less than a day according to 1 Chronicles 21:15-16
[15]And God sent an angel to destroy Jerusalem. But just as the angel was preparing to destroy it, the lord relented and said to the death angel, “Stop! That is enough!” At that moment the angel of the lord was standing by the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.
[16]David looked up and saw the angel of the lord standing between heaven and earth with his sword drawn, reaching out over Jerusalem. So David and the leaders of Israel put on burlap to show their deep distress and fell face down on the ground.
But Michael stands out amongst this fold little wonder the Bible said in Revelation 12:7
[7]Then there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels.
The Bible call those angels who forth his(Michael's) angel because he leads. Now the point I just made is to explain Daniel 12.
When u read Daniel 12 and Revelation 10...there are clear cut similarities I will like to point out and link then I trust ur wisdom in this regard to look into those similarities.
In Daniel 12:4
[4]But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end, when many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase.”
And in Revelation 10:4
[4]When the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write. But I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Keep secret what the seven thunders said, and do not write it down.”
These two verses shows that (since wat was revealed was to happen in future and they av bn keeping note without restrictions) sometin must not be revealed which they saw.
In Daniel 12:7
[7]The man dressed in linen, who was standing above the river, raised both his hands toward heaven and took a solemn oath by the One who lives forever, saying, “It will go on for a time, times, and half a time. When the shattering of the holy people has finally come to an end, all these things will have happened.”
And in Revelation 10:6
[6]He swore an oath in the name of the one who lives forever and ever, who created the heavens and everything in them, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it. He said, “There will be no more delay.
I don't need to talk too much on this...u can see the similarities...it's so glaring.
In Daniel 12:1
[1]“At that time Michael, the archangel who stands guard over your nation, will arise. Then there will be a time of anguish greater than any since nations first came into existence. But at that time every one of your people whose name is written in the book will be rescued.
And in Revelation 10:1
[1]Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven, surrounded by a cloud, with a rainbow over his head. His face shone like the sun, and his feet were like pillars of fire.
The major thing here is that in Daniel the identity of the angel was revealed and not the description but in Revelation the description was given but not the name...but that description was powerful to show that he is a powerful angel,another angel that was given such rare description was the fallen morning star in Ezekiel 28...
The Bible told us in 1 Corinthians 15:52
[52]It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed.
In Daniel 12:2 told us after Michael stands All the dead wIll rise.
But I Corinthians 15:52 said at the last trumpet meaning there is going to be more than one trumpet but precisely the last.
Now let's go back to Revelation. Since the Bible wasn't written in verses but like a letter..it mean a chapter is a continuation of the previous. In Revelation chapter 11 after chapter 10 ...in chapter 11 of Revelation 11:3 a reference was made to TWO witnesses but in Daniel 12:5 they were referred to as TWO men in linen but the similarity is the timing of there stay which is a time,times and half a time...
Revelation 11:15
[15]Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices shouting in heaven:
“The world has now become the Kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ,
    and he will reign forever and ever.”
Revelation 11:18
[18]The nations were filled with wrath,
    but now the time of your wrath has come.
It is time to judge the dead
    and reward your servants the prophets,
    as well as your holy people,
and all who fear your name,
    from the least to the greatest.
It is time to destroy
    all who have caused destruction on the earth.”
Due to this numerous similaritieswe can see that Michael in Daniel 12 was the one John describe as the Mighty Angel in Revelation 10...
The question is will John knowing fully well who Christ is describe Christ as "a mighty angel"?
Pen down

GoodIsGod:
If you think Hell and Death are not beings that can not be tormented. Then, why should you believe they will die too. If they can't be burnt then, they can't die.
According to your logic

cornelboy:
It was not written word for word that hell and death will both be tormented but it's explicitly seen from the book of revelations that Satan, the false prophet, those that worship the beast, hell, death etc will be thrown into the same lake of fire.

So why would hell a lifeless and unconscious entity be thrown into the lake of fire?
Also why would death which is abstract be thrown into the lake of fire?

cornelboy:
You think say that one na Muslim

Maynman:
Just stating, if that’s your argument for Micheal is Jesus then bwahahahah, your masters in watchtower didn’t teach you well.

immaculatesense:
Dear MaximDHouse
You are a very brilliant mind and I am very happy with wat u put up there,so simple and straight forward but I have this to point out to u.

Maynman:
Weak, you’ve to try harder than that bwahahahah

Continue trailing me and you will learn a lot, trust me!

immaculatesense:
Dear MaximDHouse
You are a very brilliant mind and I am very happy with wat u put up there,so simple and straight forward but I have this to point out to u...
Let's start with meanings and I know ur conversant with meanings
Angel means messanger
So the plural form Angels means messangers
Arch means command,lead
Archangel means commander of angel,or leader of Angels
Archangels then means plural Commanders of Angels
I will assume and believe u av read through the book of Zachariah and in the whole scriptures that is the book that detailed the roles,duty and hierarchy amongst Angels.
Let me get to the chase:
So,i started with Daniel 10:3 and the choice if words used by the angel named to be Gabriel referring to Michael as ONE of the archangels (plural)...showing that Michael is ONE OF the commanding or leading Angels in hierarchy.
Ezekiel 28:14 also prove that a particular angel called "morning star" (some people say the devil but u don't like to inference,I like staying within wat is revealed) was raised to that position of being a chief angel(though he misused is role) but this proved that God gave or elevated some Angels to Lord over others.
Now the question will be in what platoon of Angels are these Archangels lording over and which role is Michael playing as regards to this role?
My battery is red but I will continue from there tonight let's say 9p.m

AntiChristian:
What does "veil" mean if not hijab?

Re-read those text above again!

cosiocan:
1 Corinthians 11:18-19 For first of all, when ye come together in the assembly, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

The reason for the division in understanding of the Bible is for those who know the truth to standout and without the division the truth and lies will be yoked together.

AntiChristian:
Why do you like poking nose in to what you are ignorant of?

You mentioned Qur'an, so what about Ahadith?

1.Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.” [al-Nur 24:31]

2. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And as for women past childbearing who do not expect wedlock, it is no sin on them if they discard their (outer) clothing in such a way as not to show their adornment. But to refrain (i.e. not to discard their outer clothing) is better for them. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.” [al-Nur 24:60]

“Women past childbearing” are those who no longer menstruate, so they can no longer get pregnant or bear children.

We shall see below the words of Hafsah bint Sirin and the way in which she interpreted this verse.

3. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” [al-Ahzab 33:59]

4. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O you who believe! Enter not the Prophet’s houses, unless permission is given to you for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation. But when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken your meal, disperse without sitting for a talk. Verily, such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet, and he is shy of (asking) you (to go); but Allah is not shy of (telling you) the truth. And when you ask (his wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen, that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not (right) for you that you should annoy Allah’s Messenger, nor that you should ever marry his wives after him (his death). Verily, with Allah that shall be an enormity.” [al-Ahzab 33:53]

So Hijab is compulsory on all Muslim woman who has reached the age of puberty!

immaculatesense:
Like I said...I don't do division or denomination...but let's get to it...we both study the Bible and we both believe we av d knowledge of the scriptures...so,let's get to it
Below are the passages that made references to Archangel Michael...link them with Jesus Christ with biblical proof and I will distinct them with biblical proof
Daniel 10:1-21;11:1
Daniel 12:1-3
Jude 1:5-10
Revelation 12:1-18

budaatum:
Sorry Max, but you know buda does not subscribe to this mythology which the facts do not support.

immaculatesense:
I like u alot and I know ur a JW...and ur right in some instances,I av bn following u and people from different backgrounds and I don't really talk but in few cases...u are at fault and d other guy is at fault...and I am gonna point dat and den correlate the two opinion...u always claim angel Michael is Jesus using Daniel 12:1-3 but forgetting that Daniel 10:13 clearly showed us dat Michael I just one of the unnumbered Archangels in heaven and there is no correlation between Jesus and Michael...even Jude bn a brother to Jesus would av linked Michael with Jesus if it were true but simply referred to him as Michael and notin more.
To the other guy...he was wrong and u we're right wen he said the Father who is the one and true God is not greater than Jesus is the first born (prototype) of all creation wen Jesus himself numeriosly stated it that His Father and His God is greater than him-John 14:28 and even Paul stated it that it was God dat delegated power and authority to Jesus to act until the assignment is done in-1corinth 15:27-28...
Here is my conclusion...
We will keep getting ourselves wrong if we start learning to denominational and doctrinal bais...it is time we start interpreting the Bible the way it is without trying to make a denomination or sect more Superior to another...and most importantly,we divide us more is when everyone start inferring meaning to scriptures...inference brings diversity and diversity potentially brings division...let's just keep the Bible simple and stay within it confines for interpretation and not inference

Emusan:
Don't worry you're coming back to your vomit at least "YEAR 1914" is a specific DATE.
I've don't that many times.
Is year 1914 a specific DATE or not?
Is year 1914 a specific DATE or not that's what I'm interested in?

Emusan:
You mentioned the "YEAR 1914"
Is that A SPECIFIC DATE or not?

Besides, check the screenshot below

Emusan:
Just like I do say, you don't have single shame!
If you didn't see where it was stated that "...BY AT END OF 1914"

The group said the likes of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be resurrected in 1925...
When was this started?
You see after, boldly typing rubbish asking WHERE WAS IT MENTIONED WITH A SPECIFIC DATE, now you've mentioned the specific DATE yourself

Irrelevant!!!
You've giving us the actual SPECIFIC DATE you've been denying since
That's your cup of tea
But you just mentioned SPECIFIC DATE above!
Oh sorry, YEAR 1914 isn't a date to the self acclaimed intelligence officer

gsegun43:
What kind of question is this? If it's not compulsory then why will they be fighting over it?

MaxInDHouse:
MICHIGAS has gotten himself a ban again!
Wait for another next 24 hours before typing your stupid lengthy nonsense!

Emusan:
Compare that to what Watchtower says below, do the two statements close?

MaxInDHouse:
Where is it mentioned that "the world will end" as all of you have been accusing this group?

God's Kingdom was established in Heaven in the year 1914, Jesus (Archangel Michael) with his angels waged a war against Satan and his angels {Reve 12:7-12} and ever since then the effects of this established righteousness in the heavens has been felt globally! Matt 24:3-12

So we are to endure now to the end {Matt 24:13-14} when Jesus will advance towards the earth to establish his kingdom just as he asked us to pray! Matt 6:9-10

But no specific date was mentioned regarding the END of the WORLD!

Emusan:
Of course only you will look at the attached screenshot and say Watchtower never MENTIONED SPECIFIC DATE
The second pic speaks a lot about the organization that produces you

Courz:
What do you think about this very recent exposure from an Elder presently in Bethel who has woken up from the Cult? He said there are quite a number of Bethelites who have seen the lies of your Cult there. Can you imagine these things going on in that enclosed space in Watchtower Headquarters? Why is the Spiritual Paradise having such things happening there? Why is Watchtower restricting movement in and out of Bethel like a Prison facility? And why is Watchtower getting involved in Politics?

MaxInDHouse:
Better!
Continue type gibberish in my behalf and respond to your own texts Mr oteneaaron (Courz)

We (agents of the intelligence) read people's actions than their words. So we know how to deal with miscreants yet continue doing our job. So run through Nairaland and see that all your cries can't stop me from preaching and teaching those who want to know the truth.
And at the same time i will continue to play on your intelligence while you're bitterly worried over my none stop comments and posts with other well meaning Nairalanders on the forum!