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immaculatesense:
Dear MaxinDHouse
You are half way correct...u would av bn more correct if u had used bossom of God instead of beside God...it distorted the meaning.
And the meaning of Philippians 2:6 is also distorted by meaning.
[6]Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.

Now,here is the meaning of John 1:1,18 and Philippians 2:6
Before the incarnation of the man Jesus...he was know as the Word of God...the question is,if he is the Word of God ..where does he reside? That was wat John 1:20 answered...He lived in the bossom of God. Another question is can u separate a man from his word? That is wat John 1:1 answered by saying "he was God". Another question is why was passed tense used "WAS God"?...that is what John 1:14 and Philippians 2:6-7 gave an answer to...for the first time...the word became flesh John 1:14 and took on a lowly form by being born of and by human being Philippians 2:7...He was for the first time separated from the Father in whom he reside and let go of being in God or equal to God .
The last question is "was Jesus equal with God i.e the Father"?...Here is wat the equality means...let me first quote out the verse then explain
Philippians 2:6
[6]Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.

"Though he was God,"
Like I explained above the past tense...was God but now human

"He did not think of equality with God as something to cling to"

Like I explained above ..since he reside IN THE BOSSOM of God as the word, he enjoyed all the privilege attributed to God...but for the sake of man...he had to let go of this privilege of bn attributed as God due to his residence in God...but for us he had to let God...

God who is the Father is the one and only true God and Jesus is his precious gift he had to let go to save us humans and that was retrated in John 3:16
[16]“For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

This is awesome and worthy
You are loved

I don't appreciate pointless stories!

If you know the answer just answer the question directly:

is the word GOD or someone beside GOD?

Period!

AgirlsNightmAre:
Psalms 8:5 talks about humans as being "made a little lower than the angels and crowned them with glory and honor".
So now you mean we are being made a little lower that Christ?, that will be very absurd an a big insult to the person of Christ. Who is the exact representation of God's very being, the image of the invisible God .

When talking about the image or God's rep on planet earth Adam should come to mind first because the scriptures said:

And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27
So Adam is God's Son {Luke 3:38} and image of the invisible God. It was due to Adam's fall that made man loose that glory! Romans 3:23
Therefore Jesus came to reestablish that image by maintaining obedience throughout unlike Adam who fell, so if Adam didn't fall we don't need Jesus at all nor have business to do with him!

At Hebrews Chapter one, Jesus possess a name better than the angels and all of them are under his authority.Verse 6 goes on to say that all the angels of God should Worship him.
This can't be done to a fellow Angel, the word Worship use in that verse is from the Greek "Proskeneo" according to Strong's concordance it means: "From G4314 and probably a derivative of G2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, that is, (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore): - worship."
Thayer's Greek Lexicon also says :"In the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank"

Before his earthly ministry Archangel Michael only worked with his father as a craftsman during creation and both of them were fund of each other but his name remains Michael until the need arises for the salvation of mankind.
So it was after a successful earthly mission that this angel earned himself a name that's above all others, before then he's just like the first born son among all other angels that's all! Colossians 1:15-16

Jesus is and always was superior to the angels, he was in the beginning with God and he was the agent of creation, all things were created through him wether the things in heaven or on Earth, apart from him not even one thing will have come into existence.
"To which of the angels did God ever say, "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet" ? Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?"

The question is rhetorical, Jesus was an angel before coming to the earth but after his earthly mission was successful God told him "sit at my right hand" {Psalms 110:1} before then he's just one of the angels who has authority like other as their father gave them!

Jesus once asked the same type of question when he said:

“Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Matthew 12:48

It doesn't mean that Mary and his brothers aren't related to him but he prefer those related to him in the faith as in those that believe in him.
So the question you're quoting @ Hebrews simply means God never introduced any angel to the Hebrews therefore they shouldn't pray to God using the names of angels.
For your information the Jews often use the names of different angles during their prayers like Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel and others but the name given is JESUS {Philippians 2:10} not any angelic name that's the import of what you're quoting!

AntiChristian:
Note that B* stands for the female Mammary organs!

1. The Prayer
Proverbs 5:18-19
18 May your fountain be blessed,
and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth.
19 A loving doe, a graceful deer—
may her b* satisfy you always,
may you ever be intoxicated with her love.

(Say Amen)

2. My Beloved
Song of Songs 1:13-14
13 My beloved is to me a sachet of myrrh
resting between my b*.
14 My beloved is to me a cluster of henna blossoms
from the vineyards of En Gedi.

3. Your B*
Song of Songs 4:5-6
5 Your b* are like two fawns,
like twin fawns of a gazelle
that browse among the lilies.
6 Until the day breaks
and the shadows flee,
I will go to the mountain of myrrh
and to the hill of incense.

4. More description
Song of Songs 7:7-8
7 Your stature is like that of the palm,
and your b* like clusters of fruit.
8 I said, “I will climb the palm tree;
I will take hold of its fruit.”
May your b* be like clusters of grapes on the vine,
the fragrance of your breath like apples,

5. Kiss of life
Song of Songs 8:1
8 If only you were to me like a brother,
who was nursed at my mother’s b*!
Then, if I found you outside,
I would kiss you,
and no one would despise me.

6. Little sister with no B*
Song of Songs 8:8-10
8 We have a little sister,
and her b* are not yet grown.
What shall we do for our sister
on the day she is spoken for?
9 If she is a wall,
we will build towers of silver on her.
If she is a door,
we will enclose her with panels of cedar.

7. B* like towers
Song of Songs 8:10
10 I am a wall,
and my b* are like towers.
Thus I have become in his eyes
like one bringing contentment.

When talking about what was written in one of the religious books someone said:

AntiChristian:
It's understandable to us and not to you.

Hilarious!

AntiChristian:
What versions of Qur'an did you read when you were a Muslim?
Just as other Christians don't believe JW to be Christians!
Why not face the thousands of Christian denominations that are calling you a cult!

Good!
Now take your own advice, i don't discuss with Muslims about their faith because i have left your religion for good. But as for those claiming CHRISTIANS i have a duty to chat with them based on what Jesus taught.
So we're back to where we started:

AntiChristian:
It's understandable to us and not to you.
The Angel of death has many other assistant. And Allah is their Lord. They only take the life Allah tells them to take.
I don't know how you can't understand this.

You shouldn't be arguing with people who have their own book rather stick to those using your own book yet discriminating among themselves!

immaculatesense:
I believe we av settled this issue...I am Pentecostal by fellowship but I am a believer by wat matters which is serving God(YHWH EL ELYON) through Christ,the acceptable means John 14:6...anyone that does this is safe and saved...
No denomination or sect should or can lay claim to Monopoly of God's knowledge or service or acceptability...not Catholic,not Pentecostal,not Methodist,not Baptist,not Orthodox churches,not Jehovah's witnesses...no one...Christ will select his elect ones from all the nook and cranny of the world irrespective of tongue,nation or denomination.
Take this Home

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, i never got this your message but now i fully understand you.
However next time you're chatting with me please don't call me (brother) rather call me (neighbour) because you and i aren't related in any way neither blood, profession nor faith.
So you're not supposed to call me your brother but neighbour! Matthew 12:46-50; John 17:22
Thanks!

Trevor007007:
The madness affecting you is for you to answer alone , the witnesses still dey win blind fools like you, with that corrupted old man you keep as copy and paste, as your evidence even your father Satan sef have evidence of his stupidity to God Almighty and his followers, please keep correcting yourself .

There are fanatics among atheists too but since they don't have any form of tenets to impose on people they fiercely oppose the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

The churchgoers here are the ones been stupid because if he's against JWs at least he should say something about their Jesus God to prove that he's on the same page with them.
But the churchgoers aren't really interested in Jesus all they care for is support against their number one enemy group that's claiming Christ's only organization!

Exoticfarmer:
Ok.

Alright!

Exoticfarmer:
Well said, but that doesn't change the fact that God needs labourers in His harvest and He is the One Who will rightfully separate the wheat from the tares.
"Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few; Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest."(Matt.9:37,38)
" Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door." (James5:9)


Hmmmm. But genuine faith doesn't waver. "But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed." (from James1:6)
"That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love." (Eph.4:14-16)



The word of God isn't monopolized
"What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?"_(1Corinth.14:36)
JW is one church out of many.
" For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."-(1Corinth.14:33)
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: (Eph.4:11-13)


The same way you point accusing fingers at them.
Hmm . And you are probably oblivious to the fact that there are other churches that are Evangelical, Righteousness-centered, Have missionaries etc. No wonder Jesus said:
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? . Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? (Matt.7:3,4)




God has shown His interest in what happens of the earth time after time, especially in politics as you called it. The apathy of good people toward sensitive issues as these will only lead to a decline in sound morality on Earth. Romans 13: 1-4: ". Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. . Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. . For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: . For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."


If you fulfill the commandment of love, you are in order.
"And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us." -(1John3:23,24)

" If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: . But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. . For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." -(James2:8-10)

According to Jesus of Nazareth whatever cause differences in the way we do things in worship simply means we are neighbours living in the same neighbourhood, but as for my brothers and sisters in the faith we have the same line of thought! Matthew 12:46-50

So you're my neighbour not my brother!

AntiChristian:
Which others are you talking about? Do you interpret the Bible same way as other Christians?
And only people with a valid IQ will understand the Qur'an not JW with a prejudiced heart.

Keep deceiving yourself!
There are different versions of the Qu'ran out there and sects of different kind claiming Muslims. At least i can remember one Muslim on this same forum denying you as one of his brothers in your faith.
So if you want to correct anything i think you should first clean the mess in Islam causing Sunnis and Shiites fighting against themselves after all they're all adherents of your Qu'ran! Matthew 7:1-5

Maynman:
Esu is not Satan, cure your ignorance

If you can't answer the questions, try asking those who are more knowledgeable in your religion then come back to me.
Until then farewell!

englishmart:
Some bible verses, like
Mark 12:17 "give to Caesar what belongs to Cesar"
Ephesians 5:22 "Wives submit thyself to your husband "
"Matthew 7:1 "judge not that you be not judged"
Some other verses are also misinterpreted.
In your knowledge, what other verses do you think is ignorantly misinterpreted?

None of the above was misinterpreted, it's just a matter of updates in English language while most churchgoers stick to the 15th century English KJV.


But as for misinterpretation the opening words of John's gospel account was erroneously mistranslated.

"In the beginning WAS the word and the word WAS with God and the word WAS God"

@ verse 18 of the same chapter we read:

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him"

So is the word GOD or someone beside GOD?

Maynman:
Esu is not Satan, cure your ignorance

Well you can continue quoting those people.
But if truthfully you want to prove the Bible wrong i'm sure you can do so by answering the questions:

MaxInDHouse:
How many Gods do you know?
How many shrines?
Which of them is against prejudice?
Do you have the same line of thought with other adherents?
What happens when there is disputes between two different tribe worshiping Èṣù?

Maynman:
Esu is not Satan.
Cure your ignorance

Those pagans you're quoting don't know what they're worshiping {John 4:22} but we only try to help them by asking them few questions:

How many Gods do you know?
How many shrines?
Which of them is against prejudice?
Do you have the same line of thought with other adherents?
What happens when there is disputes between two different tribe worshiping Èṣù?


Any right thinking person will know that all your Gods are demons pretending under their commander Satan (Èṣù)

AgirlsNightmAre:
Sorry those commentaries are outdated, I have those two commentaries you qouted from they're more than a 100yrs old
Hebrews 1:1-6 destroys the whole idea of Jesus being an angel. Christ is the only spirit person that is said to have existed in God's nature and also being the only-begotten-God (John 1:18)

Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways. Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.  For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”?  But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.” Hebrews 1:1-6


During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt. “And those having insight will shine as brightly as the expanse of heaven, and those bringing the many to righteousness like the stars, forever and ever. “As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant.” Daniel 12:1-4

A PRINCE can only be Son of the KING.
So Archangel Michael is the Prince who put on the form of slave (became lesser than angels by becoming a humans) for our SALVATION!

AntiChristian:
It's understandable to us and not to you.

The Angel of death has many other assistant. And Allah is their Lord. They only take the life Allah tells them to take.

I don't know how you can't understand this.

If you believe it's only you that understands your book why not apply the same logic to the book belonging to others?

Maynman:
Which particular esu is the Satan?

So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. Revelations 12:9

From one nation to another Èṣù (Satan) has been pretending to be something different but he will never ever interfere in the way his worshipers deal with one another. If they like they should cheat, steal or murder their fellow adherents Èṣù is less concerned, all he just want from them is acknowledgement otherwise their POLICIES will be ruined.

According to God's word Satan is only interested in one human ruling as God over the other, whatever result from it is their own problem, Satan won't rescue them from the consequences of POLITICS. Genesis 3:1-19

So we walk by faith not by sight {2Corin 5:7} it's the character that matters to us not what Èṣù (Satan the deceiver) says about himself!

immaculatesense:
There is...
In the story line...but I won't like to go into that...
Am only glad I was able to use the esu analogy to let that guy know who the shasu tribe (Moab and northern edom) are and how they got to relate and stay with the Hebrew in Israel...they both speak variant (dialect) of the semitic languages...he thought the shasu tribe are the hebrew...and wanted to drive home his point that the shasu Yahweh was dsame as the Hebrew Yahweh...
I only used the Yoruba language of esu and the semitic meaning of Gideon during that period to tell show him...
He realised,so he was boxed wen I asked him just a question..."Are the shasu tribe the same as Hebrew people?"
He couldn't say yes or no...he knew if he said yes...I will use evidence to prove his error...and if he said know...he knew I will den proof to him the difference between the Shasu Yahweh and Hebrew Yahweh...
Either way,he knew he was boxed and he was wise to be silent and not answer a yes or no throughout our discussion...

He kept sayEsu is not Satan...I agree with him and I asked him why...he said because of d story line...I also agreed with him...den I explained to him...since the Yahweh of the shasu tribe does not have the same story line of the Yahweh of the Hebrew... would it still be right to say they are the same God/person?...the guy mute...he was box and started all dis his bwahahaha stuff...but I knew he was boxed and I played along.

So,I used the esu as language analogy to box him and he knew I led him on and he was boxed

Whenever i remember the day JWs first came to me i always thank God that i never let go of them and each time i pray for them.

Èṣù is the same person as Satan the devil but due to failure of the churches of Christendom to produce fine fruit in the society most people are now going back to their roots with the intention of connecting the true God through those old traditions.
The truth is that all other nations apart from Israel (unknowingly) worships demons back then that's why those demons keep deceiving them.

Where are the Gods of ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome? At least we all heard of Jupiter, please where are they now? Or do people think those Gods are no more?
Well God's word (Bible) revealed where they're now: They have transformed into angels of light! meaning they now bear names that's appealing to people because no sane human will like to worship the Gods of Egypt that were all rendered helpless in the presence of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So those Gods now answer new names today {2Corin 11:14} and people are still worshiping them in mass thinking they're worshiping the God of Israel.

How can we unravel this mystery?
Well it's by carefully observing the produce of their religions! Matt 7:16-18

immaculatesense:
They are not the same person sir...they may both be fallen angel but the Yoruba esu did not play the role the biblical Satan played in the scriptures...if u are Yoruba like I am...u will know that

The man who translated the KJV to Yorùbá is known as Bishop Àjàyí Crowder, this man did a very good job when it comes to the case of Èṣù but since you don't think it's the same i'll take my leave, i know the eulogy of Èṣù and i can prove that there's no single difference between the spirit called Satan and Èṣù.

There is just One true God all others are fallen angels claiming gods dragging worshipers after themselves due to the fall of man.

But when a spirit operates in a place and travel to another place no matter the distance all what intelligent humans need to IDENTIFY this spirit is the attributes not just the names because demons are liars they will never reveal their TRUE IDENTITY to anyone unless you're closer to the true God.

The one and only true God who doesn't lie is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that's why He stick to His promises without turning left or right, He declared to Moses that He is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob then told Moses His name. All other gods run from one tribe to another without giving their worshipers tenets because if they should do such a thing intelligent and wise individuals will correlate what they demanded in one place to another and unravel the mystery.

Of course today most people are trying to debunk what they read in the Bible because they are having the feeling that it was all fraud but we preach and teach them that there's no other truthful God apart from JEHOVAH the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

immaculatesense:
Exactly my brother...thank God we are having dis conversation...
So,the fact that we are a god or idol dat is similar to the Hebrew God in name and not worship does not show they are d same...
And I told u I worship YHWH the Hebrew God...
Now u understand why I said Yahweh the Hebrew God

This is why you need to learn from Jesus' real spiritual brothers otherwise worldly philosophers will use philosophy and sociology to drag you into worthless arguments and then beat you in their own game!

Satan the devil and Èṣù is the same spirit person it doesn't matter how the worshipers try to brandish a spirit "by the way they rule over their adherents you will IDENTIFY them" Matt 7:16 compare to 2Corin 11:14

immaculatesense:
I know but am saying d Yoruba esu and the Christian esu... though the Yoruba Christians borrowed the name form the Yoruba idolaters for language barrier reason...the story line of the esu in traditional Yoruba religion is different from the biblical Yoruba translation story of esu of the Christian Yoruba Bible . This shows that though one borrowed from the other...they are not the same due to believe and story line

In as much as i don't like chatting with babies on their daddy's Tecno phones i must tell you this:
Èṣù in the Bible and in the Yorùbá traditional is exactly the same person!

Remember how i insisted that Michael and Jesus are the same person?

Well we don't follow stories or wait for someone to confirm that a spirit being can't behave perfectly like another spirit being each spirit has his own unique features.
So once we discover that two names are mentioned regarding spirit beings but the same attributes there's no need for doubts or blind arguments it's the same spirit person!

wirinet:
So you are insinuating that the tree was not a literal tree but a spiritual one, and that Adam and Eve did not eat a literal apple (or whatever fruit it was)?

Why not meditate on what Jesus have to say regarding FRUIT and TREE {Matt 7:16-18 compare to John 15:1-6} then consider what he meant by EATING and DRINKING to have everlasting life? John 6:57-58

Just humble yourself and learn we are not the misinformed Churchgoers spewing gibberish when they don't even know what the Bible teach!

wirinet:
Why would God put a harmful tree there knowing fully well they would eat the fruit?
It's like a father putting assorted toys for a 3 year old child and including a match box, and then telling the kid " every toy you can play with, but you must not play with the matchbox, else you burn yourself". And the leave the child all by itself. Obviously the child would lit the matchbox.

Who then is to blame?

This is the problem with most of you guys, instead of reading carefully and digesting what others typed you just want to sum it all up in your preconceived thoughts and then believe you've gotten it all figured out!

Did you even read my comments or you just glanced through?

Well for the benefit of other followers of this thread i'll answer you:

There were real trees with good fruit in the garden of Eden but when God is talking about the knowledge of good and evil that is no longer a literal tree issue but the right to set rules among mature minds.
So the import of what you're quoting is that it's only God that can set the right standard for mankind so we don't get overly anxious and start killing one another just as most people does today in the name of WARS!

immaculatesense:
Dear MaxinDHouse
You are beyond this...don't restrict ursef...but no problem...I bliv at least we had a reasonable and mature discussion and dats okay...it was a pleasure and thank u

Thanks for sharing your time with me!

immaculatesense:
Dear MaxinDHouse
This is a conversation that I was so so cautious to no make it segregational or denominational but u av made it seem so from ur angel...
I was born Pentecostal but I am not Pentecostal...I am just notin but a follower of Christ...I am a Sunday school teacher and coordinator or two different denomination. At the start of all my teaching I do tell then...I won't teach u the teaching of men by consensus but I will teach u wat d Bible says and how it was bn said even if it against wat d denomination teach. Leaders of these denomination don't like it wen I conflict with their rule but still they can't just against it,or stop me...they love it but u know all these orders from above kinda thing. Thinks like "you are right truly,but u know these is how we do things in our church from the headquarters,these are wat we were told"
I stated the above for u to know that I am not lenient to denomination but the Bible...
You kept saying secret,secret,secret... revealed by our brethen,taught by them etc.. .forgetting that even Paul himself said if an angel,or any apostle or even himself reveal other things to us that has not been revealed we should not believe...even if they claim to even seen an angel or God...those things may or may not be true...even if they are...we were advised to stick to wat had been reveal so that we will not by any chance loose our strong footing due to not being vigilant enough.
Dear MaxinDHouse I never said u were wrong or right...I don't know myself because it wasn't revealed...my advice had always been let us always stick to wat had bn revealed extensively in the scriptures and not contemporary times with are debatable as I av shown to you.

All i'm trying to say is "stop admiring me if you're not ready to embrace the source of my wisdom"
We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES you can't be a worshiper of our God if you're not with us.
You may be with any religion in INTERFAITH worship but we are not taught that way! Matthew 16:6, 12

So if you're not with us you will be our neighbour {Mark 12:29-31} only those with us are our brothers in the faith! Matthew 12:46-50
Thanks!

DeepSight:
Exactly: a factor a creator must have taken into consideration no?
And if this freewill were expected to ever only be exercised in a particular manner, then it was never free.
Thus the very existence of alleged free will already contemplates negative exercise of same.

This is where we need understanding of what freewill means!
When the Bible said:

“From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it" Genesis 2:16-17

Every tree means you're free to do whatever you like in life, but the tree of the knowledge of good and bad means setting standards for other humans (adults) that's the only thing God forbids them from doing.
Because it will lead to trouble and they will start seeking way to hurt one another!

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max

when christians talk about the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit
they are talking about the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit of the bible
who fraud jw janosky calls "the 3 dogheads" etc.
he also calls the Holy Spirit "the ole demon ghost" etc

and you lost false jw mad max and other false jw's were happy to join him in his blaspheming

Mat 12:31  Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men 
Mat 12:32  And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

No wonder you're always typing out of point!

You can't sin against God's Holy Spirit when you don't know what it means. For instance it's only when someone knows the right from the wrong that God punishes such a person for WRONGDOINGS not when you don't even know what you're doing! Luke 23:34

So there's nothing wrong in what Janosky is debunking since you guys can't prove that it's the spirit of the true God.

When Jesus walked the earth several religious groups were already in place and they have their own teachings so when Jesus began his ministry they stood against him because what he's saying totally contradicts what they knew as righteousness.
So how can these religionists sin against God's Holy Spirit?
Is it just by speaking against Jesus' teachings?
Is it by criticizing whatever Jesus say?
Is it by denying his authenticity as the Messiah?
Is it by trying to kill him?

The answer to all these questions is NO!

The one and only reason why they can be said to sin against God's Holy Spirit is after knowing that Jesus' ministry is in line with God's purpose yet kicking against it!

For instance God already told them through Moses that another prophet will come from among that nation and TEACH them something totally different from what Moses taught them and they must listen to him! Deuteronomy 18:15-19

Secondly God said before that time a prophet with the spirit of Elijah will serve as forerunner for this greatest prophet {Malachi 3:1; 4:5} so they're to expect two prophets one immediately after another after about 500 year they had Malachi.

Thirdly the prophet will act like a wonderful counselor and God in their midst with great signs {Isaiah 9:6} and he teach them as one having authority! Isaiah 9:7 compare to Matthew 7:28-29

He will also organize them for a global campaign regarding God's Kingdom that's to come and rule the entire world! Zechariah 8:23 compare to Daniel 2:44

He will be a PRINCE who has come to establish PEACE so there will be none of his earthly subjects attacking one another due to racism, politics or vengeance of past blunders. Isaiah 9:6


Jesus met all these tasks adequately that's why he keep saying "i am doing the WORKS of my father" John 5:17; 10:36-38; 14:10

So if anyone is considering what the scriptures say as taught by the Scribes they will surely know that Jesus is the Messiah (Christ) Matthew 23:2-3

Did these first century Jewish critics knew that Jesus is the promised Messiah?
YES of course! That's why Nicodemus one of them secretly went to Jesus at night to speak with him and learned a lot from him! John 3

This people also had Jewish zealots like Theudas and Judas {Act 5:36-37 compare to John 10:8} who gathered fighters and wanted to lead a revolution against the Roman government, both of them claimed they are the Messiah but they died miserably and all their followers were dispassed.

Jesus of Nazareth was the one and only man who proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is the real Messiah without military effort {Zechariah 4:6} nor disturbance in their neighbourhood! Matthew 12:19

So anyone who knew all these yet criticizing Jesus and the fine WORKS he's doing is no longer sinning against the son of man (Jesus) but actually sinning against God's Holy Spirit that's operating on Jesus {Luke 4:18} to accomplish these tasks! Matthew 12:31-32


But in this case there's no evidence that you people are doing anything having to do with God's purpose rather you're only criticizing JWs because their activities is affecting your positions as religious leaders of the day! John 11:48

Apart from that there's no reason why you can't preach your religion without insulting, abusing or cursing someone else who is preaching his own!

DeepSight:
This is upside-down reasoning. It is exactly because man is said to be created in the image of God that the matter is so damning for God - because the nature of man then effectively discloses the nature of God.

Man has freewill so he can choose to be active or faulty! Proverbs 27:11

AntiChristian:
So, according to what your scripture says, none of the disciples of the Messiah were present at the crucifixion at all; rather those who were present were some of the women, although the Gospels differ as to their number and identity.

So when Jesus saw his mother and the DISCIPLE whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother: “Woman, see! Your son!” Next he said to the disciple: “See! Your mother!” And from that hour on, the DISCIPLE took her into his own home. John 19:26-27

DeepSight:
I would rather say that mankind are portals and dispensers of every potential tendency in existence and not just love.
One thing I find disconcerting among many theists is the tendency to blame mankind for every evil in the universe. An Adherent friend of mine once argued on this same subject that if man were well behaved, no such creatures as mosquitoes, flies, maggots and other such would even come into existence at all. And that they exist because of the evil of man. I had to shake my head at the fact that he ignored the ancient role all these play in the ecosystem. Long before the time of man on Earth.
I am generally of the view that a creator cannot blame a created thing for its faulty nature. There is a thread where I discussed this. No matter how you slice it dice it, a fundamental responsibility as to the nature of a created thing rests with its creator. I dont understand why man is in such a hurry to excuse his creator from the problem of evil, heaping it exclusively on himself, when it is evident that evil well transcends infinitesimal mankind.

God created man in His own image {Genesis 1:26} and because they have the nature of the God who can be blamed if He err man must blame himself for not living up to expectation as the one and only earthly creature made in the likeness of God! Romans 3:23

johnw47:
oh duh sayer of anything, false jw mad max
Rev 19:13  And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Your insanity is beyond compare!
If you don't agree with anyone's beliefs does it makes them mad?
Surely you're not ripe for mature discussion.
Revelations is not to be taken literally that's why in your churches you don't pray in the name of "The word of God"
Until you people start praying in the name of Word of God before you can prove that the word of God is a literal name!

johnw47:
false jw mad max
God's word doesn't say that Jesus name when Spirit is "michael"
God's word does say that Jesus name when Spirit is "The Word of God"
Rev 19:13  He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.
Jesus name was "The Word" right back at the beginning of creation
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The word of God is not a name rather it's symbolises the duty of the one in question, he is God's chiefspokeperson among the angels "Archangel Michael"
God's word revealed that the Almighty God will raise all His faithful servants back to life {Job 14:13-15} just as He raised Jesus from the dead {Hebrews 5:7} but whose voice will God use?
The scriptures confirmed that it's the voice of His chiefspokeperson Michael the Archangel! 1Thessa 4:16-17

Thank you!