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Maynman:
Yes I don’t believe in the book, knowledge is different from belief right?
I know the book, I don’t believe it, the same way you believed what the eye witness told you without checking and confirming yourself.

No wahala so keep what you know while i keep mine!

Maynman:
Did you know that or you believe that.

You don’t even know what knowledge is, so it’s understandable. You only know a part of it that your eye witnesses told you, a part of knowledge is not same as knowledge but it’s LIKE knowledge.

No wahala, whatever you and i are discussing presently is based on what we were told!
So keep yours while i keep mine!

oteneaaron:
Answer the questions you were asked and stop running around in circles.

Ọmọ no give yourself BP o!
I'm dealing with you based on your own words so tender an APOLOGY before i answer you accordingly.
You said you don't BELIEVE (TRUST) what you read in books but you're here arguing profusely as if you witnessed what you're arguing about.
Come on my friend, i am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses we were trained to silence liars but have you noticed that i never said you're lying to your own soul?
Well that's how intelligent people do unlike you who kept saying people are lying we will box you into a corner and you will find yourself struggling to escape from your own cobweb! Isaiah 54:17

So tender an APOLOGY or let's continue chatting (friendly) my young man!

Maynman:
It’s just a myth in book, like the stories in an Harry Potter book, I don’t believe the book I’m only judging the character in it, and how did you know the book is from trusted source? Did you know that or you believe that?
Your only knowledge comes from what people say right? Just like the eye witness told you about the mad woman.

So what is the bases for your so called judgment if you don't believe what you read in books?
Now we're getting somewhere!

Maynman:
[/b]Knowledge is not about what you see for verification but about what you read, you read with your nose?[b] Contradicting yourself in the same sentence.
You don’t need to trust any source, knowledge doesn’t deal with that, that’s why I said earlier you don’t know what knowledge is.
Can an object of knowledge be the same as the object of believe? Man you are trying too hard.

So why asking for the source of the info i'm passing to you since you feel KNOWLEDGE is not what you were told?
Didn't some people wrote the information that you're demanding?

Maynman:
Is that not the same for you, you are quoting the books of other religions, you believe that the mad woman is not any carrying anything worthwhile after you were told by the eye witness, that’s not knowledge.
You are not reasoning intelligently, show me the evidence of all what you are saying, dismantle it for all to see like the mad woman did.

Ọmọ calm down and learn!
Have you seen Abraham before or you read about him in books and TRUSTED (BELIEVED) the source of such info?
So going by your own logic you don't KNOW anything except the things you have seen with your own eyes, everything else you BELIEVED through the words of those who told you or penned it down.
So first admit that you've goofed so much by that statement otherwise there's no need showing you anything after all whatever i will show you (including what was written in the Bible) never happened in our presence so it won't change anything since you don't want to BELIEVE (TRUST) what you can't verify!

Maynman:
These are noise, kindly show me where you read that Pharisee created Judaism, it’s not complex unless you are lying, and you are still quoting the tanakh that’s meant for Judaism, why are you quoting their book? It was not written by Christians. Earlier you lied that your god didn’t make any covenant with Abraham, you can’t keep up with the lies.

Do you now agree that KNOWLEDGE in not all about what you must see for verification but in most cases things you read and TRUSTED (BELIEVED) the source of such info?
Ọmọ calm down and learn!

Maynman:
You were badly expose, you did a bad job yesterday, Pharisees like Abraham and Moses created Judaism right?

My friend, why are you this pained even to the point of responding to a post that's not meant for you?
Please this is not a thug of war o!
You and i are just having a friendly chat about what we both KNOW even though you keep saying it's BELIEVE but i wonder how you can confidently say you KNOW what you're typing when everything is just what you heard or read in books!

So relax and let's reason intelligently!

Maynman:
A real Christian that’s lying so blatantly, you don’t know what truth is, you only know a part of it that’s taught in your religion and that’s not same as truth, but it’s LIKE truth. Pharisees created Judaism after they came back from exile right? The Jewish god didn’t make any covenant with Abraham?
Everything you know about that madwomen were told to you by eye witness, that’s not knowledge that’s belief.

Now you're asking thought provoking questions so calm down and learn!

Question 1
There were scribes among the Levites in Israel, they were assigned to copy the scriptures with hands so as to make it many for whoever wants a copy. It was after their return from exile that several political groups were formed, the Pharisees started a Rabbinic school so it's only those who pass through that school that are viewed as knowledgeable among the Jews, but Herod Antipas (who doesn't want to be part of those submitting to those self appointed religious rulers) supported their rival group known as Sadducees. These two groups formed the Jewish high court known as the Sanhedrin. During Moses's time God told the Levites that it's after the death of a High priest that another should be appointed but in Judaism it's the Roman empire that chooses or demote the Jewish High priests to make sure they're keeping the Jewish community in order. So what later became the setting in Judea during the first century is totally different from what God instituted during the days of Moses!

Question 2
Abraham was God's friend and God made a covenant with him but this covenant will be firmly established with Abraham's descendants that's why we can't basically say God established a form of religion with Abraham. Abraham had eight sons in his life Ishmael (born to him by a slave girl) Isaac by his first wife Sarah, and six other sons through Keturah the last wife Abraham later married after the death of Sarah. God transferred the covenant to only Isaac out of the eight sons.
Isaac also had two sons through Rebecca (Esau and Jacob) but God transferred the covenant to Jacob and it was 400 years later after the children of Jacob (Israel) were freed from Egypt that God established the covenant fully with Jacob's descendants.
So what happens to the rest of Abraham's seven sons? God emphatically told Abraham that the covenant will not include other sons of Abraham but only Isaac! Genesis 17:18-21
That's why we can't say a religion was established with Abraham because the rest of his sons never worshiped Jehovah.

Isaac's two sons also parted and God continued with Jacob so the descendants of Esau weren't worshipers of Jehovah!

LottiOk:
Guy u 10much, just see how u rubbished him & he ran away with his Bible tucked in his armpit So maxindhouse can b silenced like dis @Maynman dis smackdown u give am really sweet my belly. Thanks

Wow! Wow!! Wow!!!
What a blessing this is my God? So you are also one of the fans of MaxInDHouse on this forum and i never knew this moniker!

Thanks for the compliment, i really love to see people appreciate good qualities in Christians but try to voice out next time when you're eyeing someone on a faceless forum like this, we chat to discuss what we KNOW so we can talk about solutions to problems affecting mankind.
Once again thanks for showing appreciation for my post, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Maynman:
Lol naso, the guy lies are too intentional. Why is he putting himself through that pain? Just to save his god face.

Good morning my guy, how was your night?

I can see how painful it is when you're trying to argue with a real Christian just to push forward your opinion but it's just a pity that the truth has something vital that lies don't have.
The truth WORKS out BENEFITS while lies will just remain in books and the heads of those carrying it up and down! James 2:18-26

rezzy:
My aunty was a real one ó but you know how this love is, my grandparents were JW till they left this earth.

A real JW can never find anything worth considering for husband in a none JW, that i surely know, because our first love is Jehovah (our God) followed by Jesus Christ (our Lord) followed by fellow JWs. When talking about love real JWs only love our neighbours for peace but as for consideration towards marriage, it's a no go area!

Maynman:
You should listen to your own advice, fabricating lies. Nawa ooo
From the orthodox Bible they removed book of Abraham maybe that’s why you don’t know.

I have given you the KEY to true KNOWLEDGE my guy, it's not arguable because you will see it working out BENEFITS while lies will only remain in books without any positive results.

Good night my friend!

Maynman:
You said Judaism was set up/created by Pharisees.
For my information and you can’t tell me where you get this information?
Abraham is the founded of Judaism, why do you lie to yourself this much on a belief?

When did God instituted a religion having rules with Abraham?
Guy, was it not after the nation has been brought out of Egypt that God established a covenant with the entire nation and gave them His laws? Exodus 19:3-6

My friend, you still have a long way to go but if you want to learn you need to humbly relax, do more of listening than arguing because their are lots and lots of secrets you can't find on Wikipedia, for your information Wikipedia is the handiwork of religionists and it's what they want you to know that you will find in it.
The only way to ascertain it's authenticity is by looking out for the BENEFITS of what they told you. If it's not the truth it will only be like the load on the head of that madwoman there will not be any benefits in it! James 2:18-26

Maynman:
All these are hearsay, I mean show me where you got that Pharisees created Judaism, and Jesus didn’t worship Judaism. And you are still quoting the Old Testament that you said was meant for Pharisees? Why are you quoting their book?

Obviously this moniker belongs to MindHacker but i will deliver the message before leaving you!

Genesis to Malachi belongs to the entire nation of Israel but because the temple was built in Jerusalem and there was a dividing of the nation into two parts (ten northern tribes became Samaritans while the remaining two tribes of the south were called Jews) the Samaritans disagreed with the Jews from coming to worship in the Jerusalem temple {John 4:20} that's what caused the confusion till today.
But the Bible belongs to the entire twelve tribes of Israel not only the Jews Sir!

Maynman:
Jesus criticized Moses and Abraham , pillars of Judaism? Show me

Guy, calm down and learn!

I said Judaism was instituted after the Jews returned from exile, Judaists weren't practicing what Abraham and Moses believed that's why Jesus could say to their religious leaders:

“If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works of Abraham. But now you are seeking to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. John 8:39-40

Even John the baptist who baptized Jesus told those religious leaders:

When he caught sight of many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to the baptism, he said to them: “You offspring of vipers, who has warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Therefore, produce fruit that befits repentance. Do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children for Abraham from these stones.  The ax is already lying at the root of the trees. Every tree, then, that does not produce fine fruit is to be cut down and thrown into the fire Matthew 3:7-10


So learn my friend, Judaism wasn't the religion Moses instituted when the Israelites left Egypt.

For your information, Judaism is practiced by just a fraction of Israel, only two tribes out of 12 were captured by those political religionists called "judaists" the remaining ten tribes of Israel in the north called Samaritans never practiced Judaism!

Maynman:
Where is your proof that’s there is no practical benefits?

Are you ready to learn now?

What the God this people claim they're worshiping says has exposed them as hypocrites and liars.
According to God's word after the Messiah has come to counsel the Israelites, the Israelites will take his counsel to the extremity of the earth so as to gather lovers of Peace globally.
It's God's word that they will be using as their guide and they will settle all the racial disparities causing wars amongst those who don't know the true God, they will divert their resources into the production of food and information materials, they will forgo military services and vowed never to raise weapons against their fellowman again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

There is no organized Jewish religion fulfilling this prophecy today while Jehovah's Witnesses have successfully gathered people in millions throughout the earth and all what is written in that prophecy they're fulfilling globally!

So what is the evidence that those rebellious Jews still have any business with the God who made such promises?

Maynman:
Where did you get all this? You must have read it somewhere, show me..
And why are you using the book meant for the Pharisees?

This is why many like you keep arguing blindly even with evidence right before your eyes!

I told you where Judaism came from and also ask you a question pointing to an indisputable fact.
Jesus kept criticizing Judaism so how on earth do you believe that he was a Judaist?

Maynman:
Jehovah, son of Elohim. I see
That’s what you’ve been afraid to say since lol

There are many claiming worshipers of JEHOVAH, millions of Jews across the globe are claiming they're worshipers of JEHOVAH but there is no practical benefits as proof of their claim. So they don't know what they're saying!

Maynman:
After you know what knowledge is. One after the other

That's the point!
If you can't present any practical BENEFITS how on earth do you expect any right thinking person to agree with you that you have the knowledge?

Maynman:
This is your own personal opinion too right?
Your Old Testament come from Judaism, shouldn’t you learn from the right source of where the book is from? Jesus was a Judaist when he was alive.
You yourself are not ready to learn, practice what you preach.

I told you that you must calm down to learn otherwise you will continue jumping into wrong conclusion instead of asking to know the truth!
Jesus never practiced Judaism!
Judaism is the set up by a reformed group called Pharisees, they changed so many things in God's law to soothe their selfish cravings and because Jesus disagreed with such setting they killed him.
So learn my friend, if Jesus was a Judaist then on what ground do the pioneers of Judaism plotted against him?

Maynman:
There are so many believers of the Bible. They just believe, and we agree that knowledge is not same as belief but can be like it.

KNOWLEDGE WORKS out great BENEFITS!

oteneaaron:
Lol.
You should be proud.
I'm sure you will get to give your experience in one of the regional conventions one of these days...
Keep it up.

I don't need it because i'm a shy person who don't like facing the crowd after escaping from stage shows as a musician.
But i've met some who talks about Max on NL i only smile and give Jehovah the glory because many of them wish to know me in person after learning so much from my comments!

Maynman:
Exactly, if the owners of the religion and the book are saying trash how then can the religion be of benefit?
Christianity comes from Judaism.

The highlighted is your own PERSONAL opinion which you're entitled to.
Jews aren't the owners of the true God rather they're first to know His ways, but when they failed to walk in His ways He rejected them.
But since you're not ready to learn you're entitled to your PERSONAL opinion!

Maynman:
Do you know a thing or you know some of it?
Hope you do listen to Judaist when they talk about their Old Testament ?

I listen to everyone but when your story is of no practical benefits i'll trash it!

oteneaaron:
Lol.
Same old Max.
When he is caught in corner this is his most famous card.

MaxInDHouse is becoming a household name on Nairaland!
More Nairalanders like you are opening threads and calling out MaxInDHouse as if i'm the only Bible believer!

Ken4Christ:
No problem. You have chosen the part that leads to destruction. But each time you make a post to lure people away from the truth, I will expose your lies and defend the truth. Jehovah witness teachings are luring gullible souls to hell. But I will do my best to help those who are ignorant of the truth not to listen to your lies.

Exactly the same way Jews who were extremists kept disturbing Jesus' followers not to preach:


But the Jews incited the prominent women who were God-fearing and the principal men of the city, and they stirred up persecution against Paul and Barʹna·bas and threw them outside their boundaries. Act 13:50


But Jews arrived from Antioch and I·coʹni·um and persuaded the crowds, and they stoned Paul and dragged him outside the city, imagining that he was dead! Act 14:19

So by your fruit honest hearted individual will know you guys! Matthew 7:16-18

Janosky:
Oga, you have no proof for your FALSEHOOD.
Yet you have a freemason Cross & symbols in your bedroom and in your business centers & in your Church.
JWs have none ! Bigotry and hypocrisy is rife in you .

The funny thing about this misinformed Churchgoers is that others also call their religion "freemason" so it's just like throwing stones without looking!

Maynman:
True Christians yet you don’t know the origin of your book, god and your religion, if it’s something concrete then it should not scare you.
knowledge deals with knowing, not knowing some of it or part of it, it deals with KNOWING ALL OF IT. So if your knowledge is only to know a part of something then we can’t call it same as knowledge, but it’s LIKE knowledge that’s why we have different doctrines that teaches only one particular of it and not ALL.

How do you verify who knows something when you will not listen?

Maynman:
Busted again
Seeing and hearing is believing truly, mr believer.

You guys thought real Christians will tell you to BELIEVE what you don't know or understand but i never say such to you rather i keep emphasizing on KNOWLEDGE.
So like i said "you are entitled to your PERSONAL opinion!"

Maynman:
Apart from what the eye witness told you and you believed, which other evidence did you have?
So hearing is part of believing too and not just seeing? We are getting there. And don’t forget you and I agree that knowledge is different from believing. It seems you don’t know what knowledge is.



you told me this about your god.

Guy go and talk to people about how you became a God that's not of any practical BENEFITS!

Maynman:
It’s clear who is being deceived by doctrine..
So you were told by eyewitness what happened and you BELIVE it right? Didn’t we say that knowledge is not same as believe but they can be alike? Lol
Is this your own definition of your god?

So what exactly do you know if not the things you heard and have evidence?
Well that's not my problem.
I told you God means Supreme Being and it's only when we can SEE the BENEFITS that i will accept such entity as GOD!