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omoiyamayor:
Here we go again, that same God of Israel is called Eledumare in Yoruba,Allah to the Arabs and Adonai or Yahweh is Hebrew which is Israelis language and he’s not Jesus. Once we agree on that we have nothing to argue about.

The truth is that each nation on this planet has a title they give the God they refer to as the Almighty but going by the attributes of the God of Israel we can't say the God other nations refer to as the Almighty is the same as the God of Israel!
That is why the God of Israel gave laws that clearly distinguish Him from all other Gods.
So it's not the same God of Israel that other nations are calling upon!

HedwigesMaduro:
One question for the op; does Jesus Christ have a God over Him? By the way, I'm not a JW.

Wahala dey for Okpoko!

OP please attend to this perhaps he is another brethren of yours from your concept of TRINITY!

Workch:
dude, get out from my mentions. Yours is worse

Na wa o, so you wrote all that from your mind àbí how do we comprehend this?

On this particular thread you're the one who came mentioning me even when i don't want to chat with you or mention you.

Workch:
invite me to one of your programs on zoom

Workch:
I want to learn the Bible from you

Workch:
I want the one you attend

After asking for your destination so that you can start doing what you yourself asked for you're now saying another thing!
Now i believe what a friend said, atheism is the next step to insanity!

Please next time use your brains well instead of allowing that hard substance take control of your fingers!

Workch:
naso we see am. Na immutable nonsense him go dey tell you from genesis to revelation.
He will just keep you in a vicious cycle argument. You will leant nothing because there's no amount of sense that you make that will make him change his useless ideas

So do you mean you've been learning some things from MaxInDHouse through our past discussions?

Workch:
invite me to one of your programs on zoom

Workch:
I want to learn the Bible from you

Workch:
I want the one you attend

Well i don't know if all these is sarcasm but if truthfully you have learnt some things from me then let me tell you that i'm nothing before my teachers in the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses!

If you're truly interested in learning i tell today that within few months of Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses you will become fully competent and more equipped in God's word than MaxInDHouse!

AntiChristian:
Which throne of David did Jesus sat on? Please make i no type too much!

Matthews account
Abraham
Isaac
Jacob
Judah and Tamar
Perez
Hezron
Ram
Amminadab
Nahshon
Salmon and Rahab
Boaz and Ruth
Obed
Jesse
David and Bathsheba
Solomon
Rehoboam
Abijah
Asa
Jehoshaphat
Jehoram
Uzziah
Jotham
Ahaz
Hezekiah
Manasseh
Amon
Josiah
Jeconiah
Shealtiel
Zerubbabel
Abiud
Eliakim
Azor
Zadok
Achim
Eliud
Eleazar
Matthan
Jacob
Joseph
Jesus

Luke's account
God
Adam
Seth
Enos
Cainan
Maleleel
Jared
Enoch
Mathusala
Lamech
Noah
Shem
Arphaxad
Cainan
Sala
Heber
Phalec
Ragau
Saruch
Nachor
Thara
Abraham
Isaac
Jacob
Judah
Phares
Esrom
Aram
Aminadab
Naasson
Salmon
Boaz
Obed
Jesse
David
Nathan
Mattatha
Menan
Melea
Eliakim
Jonam
Joseph
Judah
Simeon
Levi
Matthat
Jorim
Eliezer
Jose
Er
Elmodam
Cosam
Addi
Melchi
Neri
Salathiel
Zorobabel
Rhesa
Joannan
Juda
Joseph
Semei
Mattathias
Maath
Nagge
Esli
Naum
Amos
Mattathias
Joseph
Jannai
Melchi
Levi
Matthat
Heli
Joseph
Jesus

Case closed!

According to the Bible the Messiah (Christ) will reign forever on the throne of David! Isaiah 9:6-7; 16:5

So the two gospel writers were telling the disciples about Jesus' right as the Messiah to mount that throne.

He has not started ruling the earth yet, his rulership is only in heaven and among his disciples on earth but when that Kingdom turn towards the earth all objectors of his kingship will be exterminated! Luke 19:27 compare to Psalms 37:9-11; Daniel 2:44

So Jesus' kingship has not started operating globally, for now it's only within his earthly subjects (JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) that's why we are at peace everywhere we are on this planet! Matthew 5:14-16; 7:16-18

AntiChristian:
You said so but the texts says otherwise!

Your PERSONAL understanding i guess!

SSIPON:
Thank you for proving my point. Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians they are of another religion.

According to a prophecy by Isaiah, that group name "CHRISTIANS" would be hijacked by Satan's agents who will later be destroyed but before then the true God will have started calling His true worshipers by another name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" Isaiah 65:15


Jesus said Satan's agents will be mixed with his own group during the sowing of seeds but before the destruction of evildoers Jesus himself will send his angels so that his own true disciples will be separated from false religions claiming Christians! Matthew 13:24-30

So Jehovah's Witnesses already knew that we are no part of the various rival religious groups all claiming denominations in Christendom with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines! John 15:18-19; 17:14

AntiChristian:
No sir,
The focal point was on Joseph not Mary!

Matthew has twenty-seven generations from David to Joseph, whereas Luke has forty-two, with almost no overlap between the names on the two lists.⁠ Notably, the two accounts also disagree on who Joseph's father was: Matthew says he was Jacob, while Luke says he was Heli.

I have told you times without number that one is talking about Joseph's genealogy while the other is talking about Mary's.

AntiChristian:
At least you are an old man. We expect you to be mature both in words and deeds.
I asked if you claim your mother's lineage but you decided to bring in Obama, Jerry Rawlings and Obafemi Awolowo.

Are we discussing citizenship here? Those countries accept citizenship from either of the parent.

All those you mentioned were not born without their father's sperm like Jesus.
These people all retained the genealogy of their father and not their mother.

I think you are getting more and more illogical as you type!

Lastly Citizenship is not Genealogy!

Citizenship is the position or status of being a citizen of a particular country.

Genealogy on the other hand is a line of descent traced continuously from an ancestor.

Perhaps you should go back to those Bible verses again.
Matthew and Luke were emphasizing on Jesus' credentials to sit on the throne of David and as a child born through Mary the great-grand daughter of King David Jesus is qualified.
That's the point Sir!

SSIPON:
Can some one say almighty Gods? Meaning multiple persons?

God is a Spirit says a wise counselor! John 4:24
Almighty means the most supreme of all Spirits so it's just one that could be the most Supreme! Psalms 83:18

SSIPON:
You still haven't answered the question. Is Jesus God or not? The concept of trinity is believed by most Christians. If Jesus is not God then what is He? An angel? A spirit?

I have answered you but it's like the traditional dogmas of your religion is the problem now.

Jesus WAS God just as Moses WAS God!

omoiyamayor:
then you should use the small g for Jesus because that’s the only way we get to know God from gods, we have gods in Yoruba land too like sango, Ogun and so one and they have never contested with God almighty.

Whether GOD, God or god it's the same thing, can you distinguish while pronouncing it?
It's Bible translators that distinguished Israel's God and other Gods using the alphabets big and small letters.
Ògún, Ṣàngó, Ọbàtálá, Ọ̀ṣẹ̀rẹ̀màgbò, Amadioa, Zeus, Hermes or Jupiter are all Gods it's their ability to speak and fulfill what they say that matters not the letters used in writing their titles.
The one and only God that can say something and make sure it is fulfilled exactly as He said is the God of Israel! Isaiah 55:8-11

Maynman:
Ride on, believer.

Yeah, please store all my comments in your diary because they're filled with wisdom!

omoiyamayor:
have you watched the movie “ Like Mike “ it was Bow wow feeling like Mike Jordan because he played with Jordan’ sneaker. But he was never Micheal Jordan, he could dunk easily because of the Jordan sneaker, when he tried new sneakers he failed. Like God and God is not the same, work on your English brethren

It's the same my friend, the only difference is that while the title GOD can be used to describe anyone having authority the title ALMIGHTY belongs to just one person!

SSIPON:
So your argument is that Jesus is merely given and authority and He is not actually God?

Jesus himself said he was GIVEN the authority! Matthew 28:18
So that's what the real Jesus of the Bible said!

SSIPON:
Do you believe in the concept of trinity?

Can you quote where TRINITY is found written in the Bible?

Maynman:
I know you are restless

See you some other times my friend!

Maynman:
So you don’t need to experience knowledge to know, you only need to see it, be a witness (LIKE) To it?
And didn’t we agree that seeing is believing and knowledge is different from belief?

You're running out of point, can't you see that your fans have stopped liking your comments?

Well i welcome you once again into the midst of my fans club, keep following me and you will learn how to become intelligent to the point where people will keep remembering your comments like you're now displaying that of Maximus!

Maynman:
How did you know? You Jehovah witness are so deceptive, all your shenanigans about what will happen after one die has suddenly vaporize lol
Have you experienced death or you read about it in a book?

You've become so restless!
Sorry, pẹ̀lẹ́!

What have you heard JWs say about the dead apart from the fact that they're DEAD?

Maynman:
How did you know?
Have you experienced death or you read about it in a book?

Ọmọ i'm still LIVING and i've witnessed people died, and after death they simply can't do a single thing.
What else would you like to know about the condition of the DEAD?

Maynman:
You didn’t answer my question on have you experienced death, how did you know? Don’t you need the experience to truly know? Don’t confuse “same” with “like”
Then you don’t need to experience knowledge yourself, just read it in a book.
Knowledge is what’s working? How did you know you know it’s working?

Death is the direct opposite of Life so what else do you want to KNOW about the difference between the LIVING and the DEAD?

SSIPON:
You are missing the word, "like".
There is a difference between "like God" and "God".

Like God and God means the same thing.
Because the title "GOD" simply connotes authority and since Moses and Jesus were given the authority they're like Gods when they both walked the earth.

That's why Peter could compare Jesus to Moses! Act 3:22

omoiyamayor:
Now I see where the confusion is coming from, God is English word which is commonly use to describe bigger authority but God almighty is what we are talking about here, in Yoruba we say Eledumare, no one has ever been Compared to him. The verses you just quote said I have made you god to Pharaoh, which simply means there’s someone making Moses god, he didn’t make himself. God almighty make Moses god to pharaoh hence he started to do things unimaginable like dropping the rod, God possess Moses at that moment, that doesn’t make Moses God, even your pastors sometimes God fill them with power and they do things unbelievable, that doesn’t make them God. Same goes to jesus, when he said the Lord’s Prayer, he acknowledged a higher authority.

EXCELLENT!

Maynman:
Yea.
For you to know what’s working, you must experience it, have you experienced death?

I thought we're done with the case of KNOWLEDGE?

But i mustn't deprive you of true KNOWLEDGE {Matthew 7:7-8} so i will TEACH you!

KNOWLEDGE regarding the condition of the dead is what the Bible talked about and i BELIEVED (TRUSTED) it because there is no dead that has done anything either good or bad to the living!

Maynman:
Sure

So you love pasting my comments, shey?
Well that's part of the reasons why most people love chatting with Maximus.

Thanks for joining my fans club!

omoiyamayor:
The bible started with Genesis and Ended with revelations, but life is way beyond that, it was written ages back but life is still existing, God is still existing,bible only covers about the Israelites and Europeans with a bit of Middle East, but during that period there were Indians, Africans Chinese and many other place which the bible didn’t made mention of and they all were serving God but in different ways.

All you need is a study of the Bible!

Maynman:

Okay bro.

Alright my friend, thanks for your time, hope to chat with you some other time!

Maynman:
So you don’t need to experience knowledge before you know it, just reading books will give you?

You're really funny walahi!

Well i've told you that KNOWLEDGE is what WORKS out BENEFITS!

So if there's nothing the dead can do for the living then what i read in that Bible book is KNOWLEDGE!

adetula148:
As expected lol. Enjoy

Thanks!

omoiyamayor:
so Moses was God too? Lol if God has appeared to us many times in human flesh, people living in next 300 years can also confirm baba Adeboye as God

All you need is a study of the Bible!

SSIPON:
Oga answer the question, do you believe that Jesus is God or not?
No where, to the best of my knowledge in the Bible was it mentioned that Moses was God or to be worshipped as God.

Jehovah then said to Moses: “See, I have made you like God to Pharʹaoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet! Exodus 7:1 NWT

And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Holy Bible!

Exodus 7:1 Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. NIV

And the Lord said to Moses, “See, I make you as God to Pharaoh; and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet. RSV

Are you OK now?

adetula148:
Following a doctrine without trying to know the truth yourself is rubbish. Put most of the so called JW to a test ,most of them are not happy. Some don't even know their stand just scared of what their parents or church would say . In doing that you don't put Jehovah or Jesus first. Jesus did relate more with the gentiles not those religious leaders like you claim to know all or perfect. If you perfect and your doctrine is the most acceptable then you don't need Jesus. My point anyway

Thanks for the highlighted, so you're entitled to your PERSONAL opinion!

Maynman:
Contradicting yourself again, I’m tired. Omo
But you haven’t experienced death, so how did you truly know?, doesn’t the 2 have to be done before you can know? Or just one of it? It’s about passing infos? Or experiencing it? Or both?

It's due to your hastiness that you're running to the wrong conclusion on what i'm saying so if you're not calm i'm sorry i can't help you!

Death is a place of non-existence so i don't need to die first before knowing that the dead are conscious of nothing neither can they help or harm the living! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10