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Ammishaddai:
So what about Thessalonians and 2Peter ? Is it still not the apostles of Jesus ?

Quote where HellFire is mentioned anywhere else apart from Jesus' parables!

Ammishaddai:
Okay, let us assume that Hell means "grave ". Why would Jesus lay so much emphasis on it if it meant just that . Also why will He describe it as a place prepared for the Devil and his Angel's? (Matt25:41)

Grave is a place of inactivity so Jesus meant that Satan and his demons should be sent to a place of inactivity where they will no longer be able to cause confusion, but such a place is not meant for Adam's innocent descendants who found themselves in imperfect state of condition!

Ammishaddai:
So the books of Revelations, 2 Peter and Thessalonians were not written by the Apostles of Jesus ,abi? You JWs amaze we wallahi

In the Bible book of Revelations it's the same Jesus that's still talking.
There is no disciple of Jesus that talked about HellFire what your people translated HELL is GRAVE!

Ammishaddai:
[s][/s] Why do you keep lying and denying the existence of hell? If Jesus taught His disciples about hell ,then certainly , they too would have preached the same message to their congregations!
As a matter of fact, they did mention of the existence of hell in several letters written to church .
For example the book of Revelation 21:8(that was written by John the Apostle ) had this to say "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
Another verse from Paul the Apostle reads :
2 Thessalonians 1:9:"They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might

Even Peter's letter to Jews carried a similar message
2 Peter 2:4 :"For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;
Even the book of Revelations says that Hell and death will be thrown into the lake of fire . Or do you want to still deny that ?

None of Jesus' disciples preached about HellFire Sir, and as for the word translated HELL it simply means GRAVE. There is nothing called "HellFire" anywhere.
The Bible book of Revelation is still the same Jesus talking there! Revelations 1:1

Don't kill yourself with BP over blind arguments Sir the word translated HELL is GRAVE but there's nothing called HellFire!

litigator:
As a Sunday school kid, we were told that if we die, we were sure to go to heaven.

We were also told that this world is not for believers and for a believer to die is gain as he/she is sure of Heavenly crown.

We were also shown Bible pictures, and made to read Bible passages on how the Apostles of Christ and early Christians joyfully gave their life , and accepted to die for their faith.

But lately, reverse seems to be the case. Church leaders want to live forever and fly around the world, with some clamoring not to see death until they are older than Methuselah.

Let’s not talk about followers who want to enjoy Heaven on earth cos they are no longer sure of the real Heaven with street paved in gold and diamond.

Now, my question is why are believers afraid of death if Heaven is truly the goal?

The first and foremost believer in God is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, because Jesus knew that dead people aren't going to heaven he started crying and begging God not to forget him in his grave! Hebrews 5:7

So death is evil and the only remedy is a call back to life (resurrection) that's why Job prayed that God should not forget him in his grave! Job 14:13-15

But Yahoo big boys claiming pastors know that they don't have any good works towards God so they are scared of the consequences as God's word says evildoers will not be remembered but forgotten in their graves! Psalms 9:17

All servants of God knew that their hope is a resurrection from the dead just as Abraham believe that God can raise Isaac from the grave Abraham never thought Isaac will go to heaven! Hebrews 11:19

AntiChristian:
That's not wisdom. Or let me say i see no wisdom in it. Abdul Hamid was turned by Yorubas to Lamidi just as Abdul Azeez = Lasisi and many other names. Lasisi and Lamidi doesn't have the same meaning as the original name.

But your JW conductor does not care about the meaning of the name.

Since people bear the name somewhere then your cousin too should stop complaining.

This your opinion no cut am at all.

So if you can't change the spelling Koran on so many links on social media you shouldn't complain about the spelling Qur'an!

paulGrundy:
They also said that worship of Jesus is a sin. And that Jesus is arc angel Michael

YES, with indisputable evidence of the WORKS that Jesus is doing in their midst! Matthew 7:16-18

Jokerman:
Are you a JW or seven day adventist?
Do you understand the word "divinty"?

My friend, if the WORD is not found WRITTEN in the Bible then it's irrelevant!

What the Bible says is that Jesus WAS God meaning he served that purpose at a point in his lifetime just as Moses WAS God as he also served that purpose at a point in his lifetime, and Apostle Peter (one of the closest confidants of Jesus) confirmed that Jesus is the prophet that came in the manner of Moses {Act 3:22} remember Moses said God will send a prophet like Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} that's exactly what Peter quoted in that verse.
Do you think those talking trash about divinity understood who Jesus is better than Apostle Peter who live, walked and was baptized with God's Holy Spirit in Jesus name?

Health360:
what will I be teaching others when am in pain all day, I have Jehovah witness friends as family friend.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Well it's the hour in which we found ourselves in the time of the end.
Jesus continued healing all manners of sicknesses and raising the dead, but the hour came for him to be tested when anyone who meets him can't get any healing from him.
That's what the thief realized and in his agony he looked onto Jesus and said:

“Jesus, remember me when you get into your Kingdom." Luke 23:42

Today we are all groaning in pains {Romans 8:22} awaiting the sure relief to come when Jesus' Kingdom begin ruling the earth {Matthew 6:9-10} until then we just have to manage any condition we found ourselves now so that we can get a grip on the real life {1Timothy 6:19} until then do all within your reach to take care of yourself my friend, i pray to see you in Paradise! Luke 43:23

Ammishaddai:
[s][/s] Jesus spoke more about hell than heaven . Which is why He said "... It is better to enter into life maimed, than to be cast into the fire , where their worms do not die and the fire is not quenched ". (Matt9:48). This is no other place other than hell

Jesus taught his people in PARABLES {Matthew 13:13, 34-35} so only his closest confidants were able to grasp what he taught but for you to know that all what you're reading in Jesus' comments aren't to be understood literally none of his disciples wrote anything about HellFire!
Why? Because they know what he meant not just taking his words literally as you are doing now!

Health360:
I have always done that the Best way I can

I doubt it because if you do you will have answers to so many questions bothering people's hearts as you will be among those preaching and teaching people in your neighbourhood about the GOOD NEWS of the kingdom of our God which brings soothing relief to the hearts of all depressed souls!

The nation rejected God's Son and said:

“Let his blood come upon us and upon our children.” Matthew 27:25

So God has also rejected that nation {Matthew 21:43 compare to Matthew 23:37-38} as they've rejected the PRINCE of PEACE {Isaiah 9:6} that nation will never know PEACE until Jesus comes back to destroy all human Government! Daniel 2:44

God only preserved that place till today so that Satan will not lie that all what was written in the Bible never happened. As long as a nation named "Israel" still exist on this planet Satan's plan to erase what God's word says will never stand! Matthew 16:18

He is working but it's only the humbly and those with listening ears can perceive what God is doing right before their noses!

sonmvayina:
And I say it is in vain..because
God Is not involved because it is not his will.
He did not order or approve it

How do you know if something is according to God's will?
Well it will surely take place and everyone will see that it's happening exactly as God revealed in His plan {Isaiah 55:8-11}
See what God revealed as sign of the time when His will begin happening gradually in the midst of mankind:
In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it.
Many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths." The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

sonmvayina:
So you are as good as wasting your time.
I wonder who you are trying to impress?

The highlighted!
So you feel impressed with my comments, shey?
Well it's only the truth that impresses people, lies doesn't prefer any solution but worthless arguments of no practical benefits!

Health360:
you just repeated what I said

So you only need to know and associate with Jesus' followers today {Hebrews 10:24-25} the voices are irrelevant and most especially dangerous!

OBALOLA55:

CC MAXINDHOUSE KOBOJUNKIE

You should know better, i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses, we don't observe the Easter so there is nothing called "GOOD FRIDAY" to us.
It belongs to misinformed Churchgoers just as killing people of other religions also belongs to some sects falsely claiming Muslims in your religion!

Jokerman:
You reduce the divinity of Jesus Christ to an arch angel?

You want to trash knowledge from God's word for religious dogmas!
Is there anywhere the "divinity of Jesus Christ" is found written in the Bible?
Well that's what dogmas does to people!

AntiChristian:
No it is not. Qur'an is not the same pronunciation as Koran!

Let me help you out young man!

Around 2002 my Bible study conductor (JW teaching me Bible) came to visit me and my cousin who is a Muslim was present.
Though i've made myself clear to everyone that i'm not a kid so nobody should tell me what i should do about religion.
So when the JWs arrived i introduced my cousin to them "please meet my cousin, his name is 'Abudu-lamidi'" because that's what all our family members do call him.
Instantly my cousin got provoked saying "this people have turned your head to the point where you don't even know how to pronounce Islamic names again"
Then i said "but is that not how all our family members do call you? Why haven't you protested all these years against them?"

Then the JW brother said "please i'm sorry for the interruption, but do you know Ọ̀yọ́ State?" My cousin replied angrily "and what has that got to do with this?"
The JW said

"Ọ̀yọ́ State is well known for their Islamic scholars and today there are three prominent men in Ọ̀yọ́ State bearing your name.
Làmídì Adéṣínà is the governor of the state, Làmídì Adéyẹmí is the Aláàfin of Ọ̀yọ́ and Làmídì Adédibú is another prominent politician in the same Ọ̀yọ́ State.
Why hasn't any of all the imams in Ọ̀yọ́ corrected these people to stop pronouncing this name wrongly?"

Ever since that day i realized that i need to be a member of this man's religion because they know how to respond wisely all the time!

Ammishaddai:
You have an idea of what you wish for yourself . But try putting your hand in fire for 5 seconds and see if you can endure it.

So the idea doesn't make any practical sense!

Present the fine WORKS of your faith in your so called Jesus GOD. James 2:18-26

Jesus commanded his disciples to continue preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all the places they live {Matthew 10:11-13; 28:19-20} Jehovah's Witnesses are globally known for these! Matthew 5:14-16

Jesus commanded his disciples not to participate in hating their neighbours but pray for them so that they may be saved {Matthew 5:43-48} only Jehovah's Witnesses are doing this while the rest of you will instantly pick up weapons to kill your fellow believers as Satan blinds you with politics and racism! 2Corinthians 4:4 compare to Revelations 6:3-4

Jesus commanded his disciples to love their fellow believers exactly as he loves them {John 13:34-35} only Jehovah's Witnesses organization is uniting their members so that they are prepared to lay down their lives for their fellow believers. But you people will kill one another for politics!

Jesus commanded that his followers stay away from worldly politics {John 15:19; 17:16; 18:36} because it's Satan's tool of catching people and making them killers {Luke 4:5-7 compare to John 6:15} but you people are always meddling in politics!

Jesus commanded his disciples to remember the date of his death {Luke 22:19} and that's the only thing JWs practices in remembrance of Jesus because that's the order Jesus gave. But you people celebrate just anything claiming you're doing it for Jesus when he did not say you should! John 14:23; 15:14

Jehovah's Witnesses strictly obey Jesus' words as written in the Bible but you people only go about shouting his name without obeying his words as recorded! Matthew 15:7

Jesus said all the nations with all their religions will hate his true disciples for sticking to Jesus' commandments {Matthew 24:9; John 15:21; 19:15-16} and so it happens all the religions on this planet hate Jehovah's Witnesses for their faith even though these haters contradicts themselves often!

Jesus said his true disciples will be united in faith so that whenever people see them they will attribute all the teachings of their group to any member since they all have the same line of thought! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10

All these constitute the FRUIT of Jesus' group so can you tell me what your own religion is doing and how it relates to Jesus of Nazareth?

Please i'm not asking you to talk about the fabricated Jesus of the churches of Christendom but the Jesus that was spoken of in the gospel accounts!

Thank you in advance!

Health360:
I accept Jesus as my Lord and savior but the problem is I don't know if he accept me too. I hear voices( hallucination) from all conners some are about something that's is really going to happen,some are Just not real .I try not to listen but the voices forces itself to my soul,I don't understand. All I know is that it's not From God.

After revealing all the events that will happen before Satan's arrest Jesus concluded by saying:

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. Revelations 22:18-19

So if you hear any strange voice now after the Revelations of what we need to know about the endtime then know that it's the voices of demons! Galatians 1:8

May you have PEACE!

Jokerman:
Who said Jesus is angel Michael?

So after going through the post and Bible verses this is the only point you wish to know.

Well it's a sacred secret that was revealed only to the real BORN AGAIN Christians!

The scriptures never mentioned Jesus in the Hebrew-Aramaic Scriptures (Old Testament) but due to the prophecies fulfilled in the lives of Jesus Christ we know that he is the one those scriptures were pointing to.

So read the Bible book of Daniel 12:1-3 prayerfully and don't allow dogmas to blur your insight this time but as you read meditate on what God's word says Archangel Michael will do for God's people then compare to what the Bible says Jesus will accomplish.

May you have PEACE!

Jesus is the Archangel Michael!
Archangel means the one and only angel directly created by the Almighty God {Colossians 1:15}
He participated during the creation of all things! Colossians 1:16
His voice is what calls all other angels in heaven to worship the Almighty God that's why he is fittingly called the WORD! John 1:1

So seeing humans who are like ants coming to arrest the commander in chief of all the armies in heaven {Matthew 25:31 compare to Revelations 12:9} he was enraged and so Jesus spoke with his voice as in the voice of the Archangel {1Thessalonians 4:16} in which there is power to destroy evildoers {Revelations 1:16; 19:15} that's why all those evildoers fell down and DIED but Jesus have to raise them again to accomplish all that's written about the Messiah! John 19:30

Do you notice that Jesus' voice didn't affect his loyal disciples?
Well that's how obedient and righteous ones will flourish in the kingdom of our God! Psalms 72:7; 92:12; Proverbs 11:28
It's with this same voice that Jesus will call all righteous people who are sleeping in death back to life {John 5:28-29} but there are many nice and kindhearted people who never had the opportunity of knowing the true God, they will also hear the voice of the Archangel and they will be resurrected as UNRIGHTEOUS ones because they never knew the righteousness of God!

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

haekymbahd:
In the old testament we saw thateven though God appeared to previous messengers and prophets one thing he never did was to show his face.

In Christianity you see the image of Christ everywhere in churches people dream seeing Christ in their dream but question is this God or an impersonator.

Deuteronomy 4
12 And the Lord spoke to you out of the midst of the fire. You heard the voice of the words, but saw no form; there was only a voice.

Deuteronomy 4
15 Therefore take good heed to yourselves, since you saw no form of Him on the day the Lord spoke to you on Horeb out of the midst of the fire,

16 Beware lest you become corrupt by making for yourselves [to worship] a graven image in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female,

image of a male actor as been circulating everywhere in Christianity which is being regarded as the image of God.

To say Christ image of the invisible God is an idolatory word is idolatory.

1 John 4
No man has at any time [yet] seen God. But if we love one another, God abides (lives and remains) in us and His love (that love which is essentially His) is brought to completion (to its full maturity, runs its full course, is perfected) in us!

Jesus had been seen but not God.

Moses was seen and he WAS God! Exodus 7:1

So a balance view of what you're reading in the Bible is that the Almighty God can't be seen but as for all other Gods yes you can see them! Psalms 82:1,6 compare to 1Corinthians 8:5

You only need to be patient my friend.
The suffering you're going through today has been there right after Adam and Eve decided to start setting standards for their fellow humans. All humans are facing the same system but because we do have some relief most humans do portray themselves as if they don't have any problem yet sickness, oldage and death is affecting all of us one way or another.
So Jesus' death will remove all these evil things but then obedient mankind have to wait and exercise faith in Jesus' Sacrifice.
How?
Adam is our father who brought billions into the problem we are facing globally today but if anyone wants to return to the condition God placed man in the beginning all you have to do is make Jesus your role model by trying as much as possible to imitate him in thoughts, words and actions, because he is only human who perfectly obeyed God without any doubt he stood firm till death in obedience to God {1Peter 2:21} so just as God remembered him in the grave and raised him back to life for his obedience {Hebrews 5:7} all those who follows his footsteps will also be remembered and brought back to life again after God has destroyed evil and all it's perpetrators {Psalms 37:7-11} but then we will live forever in Paradise on planet earth! Psalms 37:29

sonmvayina:
First and foremost MaxInDHouse, God created both life and death. Death was created to give meaning to life. Without death, life would be meaningless...trust me.
Secondly where did you get the idea of moving from Adam decendants to Jesus decendants? Whose idea I it. When did God plan this ?
When did god plan this transition?
You just following and believing whatever you like..?

Adam's descendants are still fighting and killing one another till today {Revelations 6:2-3} over whose right is it to set standards in their society {Genesis 3:4-5} while Jesus' descendants are working towards one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers under one God! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

POLITICS!

YES! This is where your Allah's brain can flow not in what has to do with the true God as in the God among whose attributes are LOVE, JOY and PEACE.
So get your weapons ready because it's getting to the time when you will kill or support the killing of people for your political God! Revelations 6:2-3

Hismasterpiece:
Why are you looking for me? Do i owe you money?

You own me an explanation for mentioning me first.

Hismasterpiece:
Hello, Mr Max how was your day?

And asking questions instead of talking about how you saw atheists at the gates/gate of your imaginary Hellfire!

Hismasterpiece:
Wonderlous!!
When are you gonna stop believing the watchtower society?

So you own me Sir!

cornelboy:
Okay na.

He thought everyone argues blindly like him and his cohorts!

SSIPON:
Jesus is God

Just like Moses! Exodus 7:1

OBALOLA55:
NOPE I WORSHIP THE LIVING GOD ALONE

What are the attributes of the living God so you can prove that you're truly worshiping the TRUE GOD?

OBALOLA55:
SEEMS YOU ARE DIRECTLY TALKING TO SATAN WORSHIPPERS LIKE ANTISLAM KOBOJUNKIE AND MAXINDHOUSE

Mere accusations shows you're not intelligent enough Sir!

Worshipers of Satan has attributes of their God, so do you know the attributes of Satan in order to prove that someone is a worshiper of Satan?