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MaDaRa01:
Good day people. Lets say you commit an offence and the people are suspecting you 99% but you dont want to confess openly to them. They said they are going to use juju and lay curse on you and family. But you then went to God, confessed to him wholeheartedly, seek his protection and promised never to Backslide. Will the juju and curse still have effect?. Can GOD Forgive, cleanse and save you when you havent openly confessed to the people?

Which God do you think will protect from the consequences of the evil you committed?

Well below is what the God of Abraham said:

If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination! Proverbs 28:9

Even Jesus can't save you because he only pray in behalf of those who are ready to obey God's word! John 17:8-9

When the God of Israel gave His people the laws it wasn't to restrict them from enjoying the things they wish but to protect them from demons who will like to inflict injury on people and this demons mustn't do so without taking permission from your Creator. But there is a sacred secret most people don't know:

Demons already have the access to do anything to anyone once the protection from God has been removed!
The only way to keep such protection intact is by strictly obeying God's word. Failure to do so makes you vulnerable to the consequence of your actions and the punishment from demons!
So you must confess even before they threaten you with their own God because that's what the God of Israel demands from you, after such confession then you have to go on your knees and beg the God of Abraham for your sins and once you've done the needful the God of Abraham will see you through whatever punishment they set before you because you've surrendered yourself. Trust the God of Abraham that time because He will never allow them to punish you beyond what is stipulated as penalty for the offense!

Dtruthspeaker:
As long as you speak lies and wrongs, I have many things to do to you.

You lack manners that's why i don't want to be on the same page with you.
Ordinarily everyone religionist strongly believe he/she is saying the truth so logical reasoning is what we need not insults but since you lack such etiquette i will not like to chat with you!

cornelboy:
It's not meant for anybody.
Are sure it's Leviticus 8:12&13
Let's discuss Mark 9:43 first.
Mark 9:43,48
[43]If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell with two hands.
[48]‘where the maggots never die and the fire never goes out.’
Isaiah 66:24
[24]And as they go out, they will see
    the dead bodies of those who have rebelled against me.
For the worms that devour them will never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out. All who pass by will view them with utter horror.”
Compare the Isaiah and Mark verses and see the truth for yourself. You see that it's the bodies that will burn and maggots will devour?
Acts 2:31
[31]He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. Hell is Hadēs in Greek Bible while it's She'ôl in Hebrew. They all means the grave. From Mark 9:43:
"...to go into the unquenchable fires of hell..." The Greek word translated to hell here is Geenna.
Why are both Geenna and Hadēs translated to "hell"? Geenna is actually a place just outside of Jerusalem where carcass of dead animals, refuse of all sorts are dumped. It's a dump site and there was always fire burning and smoke rising up there during the time of Jesus. So Jesus use Geenna figuratively as a place where the wicked will go after death. It symbolises their destruction forever. Since they won't be given life i.e they won't be resurrected, their life will end like the animals carcass and refuses dumped at Geenna. Verse 49 says:
[49]“For everyone will be tested with fire."
Why will everyone be tested with fire?
From my interpretation, I means that everyone will pass through Geenna, in other word everyone will die. But because of God's promise for the righteous, we will be given eternal lie. We will be raised from our grave. The wicked will remain in their grave.
I'm not low. You'll soon see the truth yourself.

That is the result of following a long time superstition without making a thorough research to know the truth.
HellFire was an idea brought in by the agents of Satan after the death of the apostles.
This people don't know nor understand how the first century disciples of Christ were making more disciples so in a bid to instill fear in the hearts of those who may question their unscriptural teachings they introduced the idea of Hellfire. So the people they can't fight will be intimidated by the fear of Hellfire but as for those who are less privileged they kill them if any should question their teachings.
In fact most of the bold women back then were accused of witchcraft while the men became victims of conspiracy.
All these secrets are recorded in encyclopedia!

Janosky:
Oga, please continue......
On this thread , everyone can attest to the effects of paradigm shift on kumuyi & his DLC sheeples.

It's almost 40 years ago or so when Fela Anikulapo Kuti sang the song:

Suffer Suffer for world ~ Amen!
Enjoy for heaven ~ Amen!

When the big boys like Benson Idahosa and the like were crossing the line from poverty preaching to prosperity preaching.
Kumuyi is now waking up!

Ammishaddai:
You and I don't serve the same God and you know this. Your Jesus is angel Michael while mine is God Almighty

That's why i don't meddle with discussions like this where trinitarians are arguing over their own TRINITY because my own Jesus is the Archangel Michael not the Almighty God!

BBBmall25:
amen!

And amen in Jesus name!

Dtruthspeaker:
AND YOUR FRUITS STINK EVERY WHERE. AMONG ALL, EVEN PAGANS HAVE CALLED YOUR PRODUCTS BAD!

I don't think i've got anything to do with you!

Hismasterpiece:
But your watchtower society doesn't teach you the true counsel of God's Word. So you shouldn't listen to them. Instead, know the Word for yourself.

"By their FRUITS you will know how to distinguish between those teaching the truth and those teaching heresies! Matthew 7:16-18

Despite the hardship on planet earth that's driving people nuts so that they have become selfish and greedy, these are the fine WORKS of the Watchtower:


©Preaching and teaching zealously throughout the earth according to Jesus' tradition of going from house to house and door to door! Matthew 10:11-13
©Youths always obedient not found among hoodlums protesting against constituted authorities! Romans 13:1-4
©Love for neighbours by participating in all the good works going on in the neighborhood including preaching to give people the hope of a brighter future! Mark 12:31
©Love that's obvious among fellow believers! John 13:34-34; 15:12
©Settling disputes without picking up weapons in support of wars! Matthew 26:52
©Removing rebellious ones out of the congregation of God! Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11
©Marrying only among fellow believers! 1Corinthians 7:39
©Keeping God's congregation away from the toxic influence of female leaders! 1Timothy 2:12; 1Corinthians 14:34-35
©Staying away from politics! John 6:15


Please do you know of any better performing group that's producting the same FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit benefitting both members and none members in the society like these? James 2:18-26

Please take this to politics or racist section!

Hismasterpiece:
Wonderlous!!
When are you gonna stop believing the watchtower society?

Paul taught me to always OBEY those taking the lead in God's organization! Hebrews 13:7, 17

And Jesus prayed for me even though i don't have a direct link to him, he prayed that God should help Max with the Holy Spirit for putting faith in him through the words of those taking the lead among his disciples! John 17:20

May you have PEACE!

Magnoliaa:
What is the difference between both or they 're one and the same ??

And where is each located..

Imagine someone ran over your pet perhaps a puppy named "Skippy" and after killing your pet the killer offered to buy you another puppy perhaps much beautiful than Skippy would that solve the problem?

Well most pet owners will vehemently disagree with such idea.
But why? Isn't it all about a little dog? Can't another much adorable puppy serve as replacement for your puppy?

That's the import of the word "SOUL"
There are millions, billions of beautiful as in adorable puppies on this planet but none could replace your pet that has become like a friend over the years because there's a lot of things this dog would have known about you to the point where ordinarily snapping your finger at Skippy would drive it into action as it has understood what you meant. So getting you just another dog won't change anything!

A soul means the character as in the person not just the body, no woman can perfectly replace your wife, no child can replace yours, so when Jesus said:

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the SOUL; rather fear him who can destroy both SOUL and body in hell. Matthew 10:28

He was talking about the body that will be buried and the character (person) meaning both will be totally forgotten in the grave! Psalms 9:17

May you have PEACE!

cornelboy:
The word "Eli" (Hebrew/Aramaic), "God" (English) and "Allah" (Arabic) are the same. They all mean "god". Just the language is different.
The question is which God/Eli/Allah was he calling?
Of course it's Yahweh his Father. God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
Definitely not the Muslim Allah. If Jesus was an Arab he would say Allah. You get language issue man.

He is divulging the things his clerics taught him so he's not to be blamed much but the only problem he has is the love he has for Islam even when Islam is a foreign religion.
Instead of keeping to what his clerics infused in him brains he wants to cross the boundary into what his clerics have no idea!

Ken4Christ:
Thank God you have admitted for the first time that you are serving a different God. And that your god is the devil who feeds you with lies that are designed to lure people to the very you deny does not exist.

No wahala, just stop trailing me because your God differs from mine! Matthew 10:25

AntiChristian:
Abeg where was Jesus and Moses called "Gods" in the real sense of that word?

Exodus 7:1; Isaiah 9:6

AntiChristian:
Which multitude did Jesus led and to where?

Jesus led about 500 Jews {1Corinthians 15:6} and he led them to God so that they began practicing pure worship which gave birth to a global family of peace loving worshipers today! Isaiah 2:2-4

AntiChristian:
Where in the Bible was it said that Jesus was without food for 40days...?

Luke 4:2

AntiChristian:
Which God was Jesus calling on the stake? No be Eli? Same as Allah?

Eli is a shortened form of Elohim in Hebrew which means "My God" it's no name of God because a worshiper of Ògún will also say the same thing in his own mother tongue "Òrìṣà mi"
So it's only those who have heard Jesus spoken about this God that can explain what he meant when he said "My God"

TheSourcerer:
I love the JW , i like taking them in for them to preach , infact I have consensual recordings of such meetings , I like the fact they don't celebrate birthdays (its meaninless , as days are all the same , new year , Ester , Christmas , there are all days)
I love the fact the are pro Christian ( little contradictions here and there , like the poll or cross killing , the idea of hell fire (which of course cannot exist on any plane of existence )
The issue though with the JW is the founder , He was a pedoohile ,
Lastly you are like the Amish people , who are secluded and believed to be a cult by your religious counterparts who in fact are a cult.

Any reasonable person will love JWs, i wasn't born a JW either, i came from a Muslim background but as i grew older i discovered that Islam has nothing to offer than criticizing the Churches so i gradually developed interest in atheism but atheists are more or less Muslims because they only criticize religionists they have nothing to offer as solution to the problems facing the human society regarding peaceful cohabitation, all what atheists do talk about is the scientific discoveries of mankind which no school of thought can claim belongs to them because scientists are found in all religions.
So i went back to the books about Gods and i found lots of books that talks about different Gods, as i keep studying these books i learned that the Gods depicted in all these stories are of no practical benefits to mankind as they're always about power and domination.
The only book that caught my undivided attention is the Bible and Jesus is the man i began studying, his teachings are filled with wisdom as this young man taught his followers never to raise weapons against anyone but speak consolingly to all depressed souls.
He also talked about a time when his followers will be noticed globally and no other group will overshadow them in terms of intelligence. Matthew 5:14-16
So i decided to search for the group that's practicing what this Jesus of Nazareth taught but all those claiming Christians aren't doing things as this guy taught, i was lost in thought then Jehovah's Witnesses came to my house to preach but i don't think they're Christians as their approach and style of preaching totally differs from what i knew for decades, i angrily sent them away. Then they kept coming as if they had something worth listening to.
Before then i prayed fervently to God without attaching my prayer to any RELIGION or known God, i just prayed to the CREATOR telling Him how i feel and that i want to see the true followers of Christ who are practicing exactly what Jesus taught.
So by the time JW's kept disturbing me i decided to give them a listening ear, and for the first time i felt a soothing relief with the little words i heard from them. But then they looked so friendly even though they're going as if they don't have anything or worth anything in the society.
That's how i began studying the Bible with them until i found out that my girlfriend has relatives who are JWs, she began telling me all the good things they practiced but her father who is from the families of JWs chose not to have anything to do with them.
The rest is story my friend, today i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and i have lots and lots of good things to preach and teach others!

AntiChristian:
I know you will just keep repeating the same thing with different words.

Jesus has no earthly father to deserve a genealogy. The termination of both genealogy stops at Joseph, Mary's husband. Apparently, the other children of Mary are more qualified to be the descendants of David.

Mary is from the bloodline of King David so you can't remove Jesus from the bloodline since Mary (his mom) is from that lineage!

Janosky:
There is no word called "Godhead" in the Christian Greek Scriptures popularly known as New Testament.
Just check the Greek interlinear of Acts 17:29 Screenshot & receive SENSE

Greek Theios/Theoites is divine nature /divinity NOT Godheads of Trinity.
When Christendom talks about "Godhead", they mean what you see in this screenshot- triune deities with 3 heads.

This confused people too dey love to DECEIVE themselves.

My brother, it's best to watch trinitarians argue their own theology among themselves!
If we tell them to remove TRINITY from their lenses but they chose to see God through that false retina it's better to leave them and watch how they continue contradicting themselves in the name of TRINITY!

AntiChristian:
Can you mention who else uses a woman's genealogy in the whole Bible?

The genealogy of Mary is not even for Jesus as he was simply a word from God.

Adoption does not make up for blood relationship!

Jesus was never related to Joseph by blood!

The Messiah had to be of the line of David (Jeremiah 33:15–17; Isaiah 9:7), so two gospels provide genealogies of Jesus to validate this requirement. The problem is that we only need to go back one generation, to Joseph’s father, to find a problem.

Jacob [was] the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah (Matthew 1:16).

Jesus . . . was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli (Luke 3:23).

There is just one unique male biological line that would terminate in Joseph, so at least one of these genealogies is wrong. And it’s hard to imagine that an ordinary Joe like Joseph would have a reliable record of his genealogy going back generations. Worse, Joseph wasn’t the biological father of Jesus, so his genealogy is irrelevant. If being in the line of David is a requirement, then having a god for a father makes you ineligible.

The most common rebuttal is to say that the Luke genealogy is for Mary, but the text makes clear that it’s for Joseph. Anyway, why would you provide the genealogy of the parent from whom descent from David wouldn’t count?
We’re seeing the incompatible clash of two ideas: Jesus inherits David’s throne and Jesus was the son of God.

Note that Luke traced everything back to Adam and concluded that by saying:

the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. Luke 3:38

So the point Luke made is clear Sir, Jesus is God's Son just as Adam is God's Son.
As God's first earthly Son, Adam was instructed to take charge of everything on the planet {Genesis 1:28} now that Adam has failed another perfect man would have to come in and do the needful as King.
David was sitting on the throne of Israel as the representative of the God of Israel whereas all the commandments (constitution) of that nation was instituted by God.
So Jesus' qualifications as King to inherit that throne is what Luke is emphasizing, whether you like it or not Jesus is God's Son and it's through the lineage of David that a foster father (Joseph) was born!

Matthew was talking about the mother through whom Jesus was born and Mary is from the bloodline of King David!

The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brethren—him you shall heed— just as you desired of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, or see this great fire any more, lest I die.’ And the Lord said to me, ‘They have rightly said all that they have spoken. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not give heed to my words which he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him. Deuteronomy 18:15-19


Similarities between Moses and Jesus!

©Both were born through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!
©Both were called by the same God whose name is known in Hebrew language!
©Both were without food for forty days and forty nights!
©Both were called Gods!
©Both performed great miraculous works!
©Both led people in multitudes!
©Both died and their corpses were taking away by angels!

At least if anyone wants to think about any other nation that could be called brothers to the Israelites we should consider the Edomites first because these are the descendants of Esau the brother of Jacob from the same mother whose name is Rebecca!

Hismasterpiece:
Hello, Mr Max how was your day?

Fine, and yours?

Ken4Christ:
So, if they are counting followers of Christ, Jehovah witness will include itself?

But you don't believe Jesus rose from the dead bodily. You said God stole his body. So, Jesus did not really rise bodily. We argued he appeared to Thomas. You said, he just materialized for that purpose.

You called God a thief and a fraudster and you call Jesus a deceiver. He deceived his disciples that he truly rose from the dead when actually he didn't. You claim he only rose spirituality.

With all these wicked lies, you still want to claim that you believe in Jesus.

You also do not believe he is coming back visibly. Why are you people so wicked? Why have you chosen to allow yourself to be used by the devil to deny the truth of God's word.

If you don't repent, even Satan will endure the Lake of fire more than you.

Please, stop claiming to be a follower of Jesus when in the real sense, you are anti Christ.

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni, how many times have i told you that your God differs from mine?
How many times have i told you that your Jesus is not my Jesus?
Please park yourself to one corner if you can't stand other people's comments because this is a public forum where everyone is FREE to EXPRESS themselves. The era of your forceful religions and intimidation is over.
So talk about your own God and your own Jesus, nobody is forcing my own God on you!

MindHacker9009:
You keep making up your own stories. May you become informed after watching this official video on the origin of Jehovah's Witnesses you are so obsessed about.

Once the question raised against my faith has been publicly trashed youre free to keep your opinion to yourself!

TheSourcerer:
fokkoe me I'll follow you back.... Are you a freethinker though?

NO! NEVER!
I can't follow you because i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses, we are believers in the God of Abraham. I just love chatting freely with people but as for taking such friendship a step further it can never be possible except you are also one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Following!

TheSourcerer:
my Grandma is Scottish , she married an osun man so my Mom is osun ,making me from osun Ede.hence the peculiar name Darnley Orsborne Pedro .

No wahala my guy life has no duplicate jàre!

Crysthaniel:
Am not against your or Any one Group..
My own is that debates here about wh group is right or Wrong is not help full.. I Really understand your point

Well it's those who knew their religion doesn't measure up to standard that's always calling out Jehovah's Witnesses.
We don't go after them because we know all eyes are on the one and only group that belongs to Jesus! Matthew 5:14-16

Excelloque:
And you think you made sense?

After reading, sorry o!

cornelboy:
That's why JWs are different. No form of paganism in their worship.

Ọmọ ìyá, máì tíì bẹ, ó ṣì ń rìn-ín ni kò ì tíì ja jẹ!

TheSourcerer:
Born here , I'm from Naija Delta ,Portharcourt , I LOVE ABEOKUTA.

Heeeeeeeeeeeparipa!
Ọmọ Uhrobo, hope you did not marry from my place o!

Crysthaniel:
My Bro it seems you don't get what am saying here.. Am not against Following jesus as a group my own is to Assist others,discussion as to whether a group is true or not Dosent interest me
If anyone being who claims to know God can't find a Good thing in Others my Bro the person has not learn anything...

It's not to be mixed my friend!

There are good and nice people out there and the whole world (including unbelievers) used to appreciate them.
But here we are talking about FAITH in God which has to do with submissiveness to the right group teaching righteousness. Zephaniah 2:2-3
Remember a man (politician) once knelt down before Jesus asking him what he must do to inherit God's Kingdom {Luke 18:18} this man has kept all the laws of God right from his youth until that day {Luke 18:21} so was he a good and nice person? YES of course! If he's not good he wouldn't have knelt down before a common carpenter who never attended any Rabbinical School of his time and start asking for what only religious leaders could answer!
But after Jesus told him what is required the man left Jesus and walked away in grief.
WHY?
Because he must sell away all his prestige and status then become one of Jesus' followers who have left everything behind {Marl 10:28} only to follow Jesus as a GROUP!
What about a condemned criminal who never cared about being nice?
This one was prepared to follow Jesus Christ and obey him as King {Luke 23:42} well because he was willing to surrender himself and obey Jesus as King Jesus instantly promised that former criminal a place in his future Kingdom Paradise! Luke 23:43

So it's not about being a nice person but readiness to endure all what others will pass through as Jesus' disciples working together as a group!

MindHacker9009:
For over 2000 years now, but no one has yet done greater works than Jesus. Have there been no true believers for over 2000 years now to do greater works as Jesus has said?

John 14:12, KJV: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Jesus Christ of Nazareth did a lot of WORKS but most misinformed Churchgoers like you assume he was talking about MIRACLES whereas he was referring to physical works that will affect many lives and makes people turn around into new leaves!

In the Bible book of John 4:34 Jesus said:

“My food is to do the will of him who sent me, and to accomplish his WORK"

Here Jesus was preaching and teaching a Samaritan woman!

So what WORKS does he meant when he said:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Well his true followers today are globally known as "Jehovah's Witnesses"

©Jesus preached and teach within the boarders of Israel but we have preached throughout the earth today!

©Jesus only preached in Hebrew language but we have preached in virtually all the languages on planet earth!

©Before his ascension to heaven Jesus only made 500 disciples but we have gathered millions of brothers and sisters throughout the earth today!

©AS the Prince of Peace Jesus couldn't remove weapons from the hearts of his disciples, but we have removed weapons from the hands and hearts of millions across the globe and not only that but they have vowed never to raise weapons against their fellowman again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 compare to Psalms 46:9

©Jesus never distributed the spiritual sword (Bible) to any one but we have printed and distributed copies of Bible in hundreds of Millions throughout the earth in countless languages!

©Jesus never build a single place of worship in his own time instead he was chased out of the Temple and Jewish synagogues but we have built our headquarters, branch offices and kingdom halls throughout the earth!

©Jesus only stood before Herod Antipas and Roman governor Pontius Pilate during his persecution but we have stood before many rulers of the earth to be persecuted due to our faith!

Do you now understand what our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus meant?

TheSourcerer:
well protect your circle, I believe the media trys to make it seem like everywhere is unsafe and desperate, which is less than 2 percent , I live in Abeokuta, and everywhere within my circle is peaceful and calm

Are you also an indigene of my home town?
I'm from Abeokuta, Òwu Kingdom!