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cornelboy:
Who's their athiest friend?
I haven't seen his comments

My brother when these people see us preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood they enviously wish to do the same but then there's nothing they have to preach though they knew Jesus called the message "GOOD NEWS"

So one way or another they have to fabricate something after all they also want to preach like JWs do. They don't know the secret behind our preaching and teaching skills!

Hismasterpiece:
Alrighty..

Better!

cornelboy:
Not at this stage?
Don't worry you go soon see reasons to start looking for why "Geenna" and "Hadēs" are both translated as "hell"

How i wish you just watch and see how things will go between them and their atheists friends with their HellFire stuff!

Hismasterpiece:
Sorry o... No vex..

No wahala, i'm just following!

Ken4Christ:
I don't want you to deceive more people with your lies. I want you to repent also because you can't defend your lies. How can you call God a thief. That he stole the body of Jesus. Which scripture substantiate that claim? If you keep on in this evil cult, called Jehovah witness, you will be cast into hell. And from hell to the Lake of fire. Pride is what is destroying you. You don't want to admit you are wrong at the detriment of your salvation.

In other words i shouldn't talk about my own faith again, shey?
Pharisee self no do pass this! Act 4:18; 5:28

Hismasterpiece:
The truth is the truth bro... When you die and go to heaven your eyes will open and then you'll know for sure that heaven and hell are real.

Chai!
It's like i should remind you the topic of this thread:
When An Atheist Dies And Is About To Enter Hell
Now continue your thread Sir!

Hismasterpiece:
Session not section.

OK is that another part of the Crucifixion?

Hismasterpiece:
The Good News is not of hellfire, the Good News is of Jesus Christ whose death and resurrection saves us from hellfire.

Hen continue the thread with atheists in mind nah, you're derailing this thread by leaving your target o!

Dtruthspeaker:
You already know my stand Wishmaster. So you can run along now, you have nothing valid to say

I'm just following in the first place Sir!

AntiChristian:
It's not possible for you to type without telling at least one lie as a Jehovah witness.

You're trying to prove Moses was like Jesus but in the end you kept showing us the differences.

Moses was not God but god. You lied he was God.

Jesus was an Angel in Jehovah witness theory. Moses is not an Angel.

Moses was not crucified on stake!

Jesus didn't marry like Moses not father children.

Moses is not coming back again like Jesus.

Moses even with a super charged holy spirit still fought his enemies physically.

Moses conquered cities with his people.

All these are more similarities to Muhammad not Jesus.

Good!
So preach Muhammad to people here and leave Jesus nah!

Hismasterpiece:
Guy. We don't preach hellfire. We preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified, which is what saves us from the wrath of God, i.e hellfire.

OK continue preaching your Crucifixion to your atheist friends, no wahala!

Hismasterpiece:
If your God is the God and Father of Jesus Christ, then no sir, your God doesn't differ from mine.

Oga i just dey follow this thread, i no come for question and answer section so continue your story with the atheists.
Remember atheists are waiting at the Gates of heaven and hell so tell them with the conversation between the atheists and your God!

Dtruthspeaker:
Change of post! Only your fraud of ignoring "You don't speak well." Is in issue.

No wahala, help your friend to convince atheists about the GOOD NEWS of your HellFire stuff!

Hismasterpiece:
Dtruthspeaker see his response... He is evading the question because he knows he has nothing sensible to say...

YES!
I have nothing sensible to say so continue with your threat against the atheists, remember i only follow the thread not here for questioning:

MaxInDHouse:
Following!

So continue preaching your HellFire to atheists Sir!

Hismasterpiece:
That's the thing... In the beginning there were no GROUPS only CHRISTIANS... now we have some calling themselves Catholics, some calling themselves Baptists, some calling themselves Anglican and so on and so forth..

That's why Jesus prayed:

Joh 17:20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
Joh 17:21 "that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
Joh 17:22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:

Even Paul shared the same belief:

Php 2:1 Therefore if there is any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any affection and mercy,
Php 2:2 fulfill my joy by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

The sheer fact that you single yourself out of all Christians and point an accusing finger at others who call themselves believers is a red flag for me... You lot are no different from those in the Corinthian church that Paul talked about:

1Co 1:12 Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas," or "I am of Christ."
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

You lot are no different from all other believers who group themselves into denominations and alienate themselves from other believers... You are a far cry away from the vision that Christ and Paul, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, had for the church..

So stop deceiving yourself... You people are not special... You are just the black sheep of Christ's flock.. Weirdos!

I have heard you but we know our God differs from yours Sir!

Dtruthspeaker:
See, your fruit, I did say "You don't speak well."the first time, but you have brought up your usual JW partial blindness!
Surely, this is fraud!
So, see, your fruits have shown who you are!

To a Deeperlifer any pastor in Cele, C&S, Christ Embassy or Synagogue is fraud just as most of you do view one another as fraud and to me you and all your pastors are fraud as well.
But when it comes to the FRUIT a true Christian will always talk RESPECTFULLY without INSULTS, ABUSES or CURSES {1Peter 3:15} because we know that unbelievers like you don't know what they're doing! Luke 23:34

Hismasterpiece:
I only have one question for the both of you and let this argument end here It is concerning the following scripture:
2Co 5:6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.
2Co 5:7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
2Co 5:8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
2Co 5:9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him.
Php 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
Php 1:22 But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell.
Php 1:23 For I am hard pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better.
Php 1:24 Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you.
You JW believe that man is not a spirit but that man is merely a material being, and his entire life and existence starts and ends here on earth. But the above scriptures seem to indicate otherwise. Paul here is talking about being absent from the body (dying, that is, his spirit leaving his body) and present with the Lord (in heaven) and having a desire to be with Christ (in heaven) which obviously is a direct reference to heaven which is where Christ is presently.
So my question to you is this: What is the correct interpretation of the above scriptures? If Paul is teaching that when a believer dies his spirit leaves his body and goes to be with Jesus then what is the fate of the unbeliever? Where does their spirit go?
How else am I to interpret the above scripture? What is the correct interpretation of the above scriptures?
Dtruthspeaker take note of their response.

Continue threatening the atheists with your HellFire stuff my friend.
This is not the first time i've been through this with you.
We know the irresistible Good News we preach that no atheist can turn away from and the manner of our approach, but since your HellFire is your own news try harder perhaps some of them may feel threatened to join you in worshiping your God!

AntiChristian:
The thread is not on the Qu'ran. Address your lies fully first.

If course you can't stand questioning of your faith without going for weapons, that's why your people chose to lock themselves up in a section on this forum!

AntiChristian:
Was Jesus a god to Pharaoh too like Moses?
More lies from Baba JW.

Jesus served as God over all the forces of nature just as Moses controlled all the forces of nature in Egypt in the presence of all the Gods in Egypt and made Pharaoh continue begging Moses! Exodus 8:8

Keep asking my friend! Matthew 7:7-8

Dtruthspeaker:
You don't speak well.

So i never insulted, abuse or cursed you shey?

"By their fruit you will know them" Matthew 7:16

Dtruthspeaker:
Remember I told you
"Even here on earth, God showed us the type of Fire He has?

The Fire shall be ever burning..., It shall never go out!" Repeated even Twice!"

EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID IN WHAT PEOPLE WRONGLY CALL NEW TESTAMENT!

THAT REASONABLY TELLS EVERYONE HE TOO HAS HIS OWN TYPE OF FIRE THAT NEVER EVER GOES OUT!



WRONG! AS YOU CAN SEE, THE WARNING IN LEVITICUS 6 IS A CLEAR INDICATION WITH THE WARNING IN MARK AND YOU COULD NOT REBUT IT.



SEE, NOW YOU SHOW YOU RUN ON WISHES, AS I TOLD YOU, EXACTLY LIKE ATHEISTS.

Every Lover of God knows that God is always about Law and consequence of breaking The Law. A Fact which is known since Adam broke The Law.

A fact which everyone knows whether a prophet said so or not.

But Daniel did say what Christ Said in Mathew.25:46

Daniel 12:2
"Many of those who sleep in the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt."

MaxinDhouse there goes your grave= hell Wish!

Don't worry about me i'll allow both of you so try to convince him regarding your HellFire!

AntiChristian:
I have checked Exodus 7:1 and it reads something like "Yahweh has made you Moses a god (Elohim) to Pharaoh while Aaron is the Prophet"
While your claim is that Moses was a God in the sense of the word. Now it is proven that Moses is only a small God and only to Pharaoh and no one else.
Is Jesus like Moses in this way?

The title "GOD" means one who is supreme!
Pharaoh was the most supreme of all the rulers on planet earth back then so Moses becoming God to Pharaoh means he is the one who is more supreme than Pharaoh!

AntiChristian:
Corinthians are letters ascribed to Paul. Why tell this big lie that Jesus led people to God? Even the multitudes he fed he didn't lead them anywhere!

Paul was talking about the multitude Jesus led to God even before Paul himself became a Christian. So it's understandable to Bible students though it may be confusing to Qur'an man like you!

AntiChristian:
Your third lie can be bursted by reminding you what those who heard Jesus saying "Eli Eli lema sabacthani" said. They don't understand him. They thought he was calling Elijah! Matt 24:47

Eli is just a short form of Elohim just as Jah is the shortened form of Jehovah!

How i wish you guys could calmly address series of questions against your Qu'ran and Muhammad the same way you're always running up and down after Jesus!

Hismasterpiece:
That's the thing about you guys.,. You believe you are the true Christians and every body else is false and therefore unsaved but you couldn't be any farther from the truth..
My question to you is this.. If the watchtower society's doctrine about JW being the only true believers and everyone else being false is wrong then what other doctrine of theirs could also be wrong? Think critically about this..

Funny you!
If JWs are wrong then nothing could be right because there's no other religious group that's practicing what Jesus said with indisputable proof of the results of faith.
So present any other group that's performing better than JWs or forget it!

Dtruthspeaker:
I won't, he speaks well and does no wrong! Unlike you!

So have i insulted, abused or curse you before?

cornelboy:
I have a guy like that. Them no de like reason.

Those Arabs have cooked their brains with the name "Muhammad" so they will not like to talk about reasoning when considering their own religion but when they want to face the churches they will start arguing as if they're ready to reason. Just stick to their Qur'an and start asking them reasonable questions they will start telling you not to reason but accept whatever those Arabs wrote in their Qur'an!

cornelboy:
Alaye stop asking silly questions.
Which John 25 in the Koran abi?
Jesus was from heaven. So he was an angel.

He's just disturbing his brain for no reason.
I have known from my youth that Islam has nothing to offer other than than following the churches of Christendom bumper to bumper!

Let them preach a single thing here about Islam and see if there is anything worthwhile about Islam. The truth is Islam has nothing worth considering for anyone to believe that's why they are going about forcing their beliefs on people or always following the churches to find something incriminating so as to promote their worthless religion!

cornelboy:
Leviticus 6:12-13
[12]And the fire upon the altar shall be burning in it; it shall not be put out: and the priest shall burn wood on it every morning, and lay the burnt offering in order upon it; and he shall burn thereon the fat of the peace offerings.
[13]The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.

Dtruthspeaker, really? Burnt offering fire is now hell fire?

See let just agree now that God never warned anybody about hell fire in the old testament.
So if indeed hell is really, it's unfair on God part for not warning people about it.
He never told any prophet about it before Jesus. Are you reasoning along?

God is love and just, he wouldn't do that.


Let's focus on Jesus teaching about Geenna aka valley of hinnom (situated in Jerusalem) translated to hell in most Bible translations.

I just hope he doesn't start cursing you for trying to reason with him!

cornelboy:
See how the guy responded to my post. He doesn't even want to know why Hadēs and Geenna are both translated to hell.

I don't like chatting with him ever since i saw him using two different monikers to respond to himself i realized he's just egoistic, arrogant and never ready to learn!

redeemedbyjesus:
Nice one bro...please permit me to adjust your theology a little bit as quoted above(eccl: 9:10) was written a long time before the solution provider showed up.
Hell is different from grave
But if what you are trying to express is a synonymous meaning then it's ok.

Hell simply means Grave but since you weren't taught, can you just do a little research about the text translated Hell in the Bible?
Check it out in any encyclopedia around you! 1Thessalonians 5:21

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you Lie or Accuse me falsely or/and you lie and accuse me falsely for I have never forced anyone to take up my views.

Show proof of me doing this you Liar and False Accuser.

You need to be enlightened but let's see if you are open minded to the truth!

Jesus sent out his disciples to preach and teach in all their neighbourhood. Matthew 10:11-13
Pharisees also sent their disciples to preach and teach in all their neighbourhood. Matthew 23:15

But Jesus' teachings is logical the Pharisees are jealous so they're doing everything within their power to stop Jesus and his disciples from being heard by the public:

"If we let him go on this way, they will all put faith in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation" ~ Pharisees! John 11:48

With that they called them and ordered them not to say anything at all or to teach on the basis of the name of Jesus. Act 4:18

"We strictly ordered you not to keep teaching on the basis of this name, and yet look! you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and you are determined to bring the blood of this man upon us.” ~ Pharisees! Act 5:28

Please what exactly was this religious group's reason for forcing their opinion on Jesus' followers?
Well they're claiming it's the laws of their forefathers!

Nairaland is a public forum where members of various schools of thought ranging from Atheists, Agnostics, Traditionalists and many more are coming to express themselves FREELY.

I claim to be a follower of Jesus also came to express my beliefs and look you are claiming a follower of Jesus as well but insulting, abusing and cursing me for saying what is contrary to your beliefs.

Logically are you forcing your beliefs on me or not?
This attitude (fruit) of your religion {Matthew 7:16} is it that of Jesus' disciples who always goes peacefully with their beliefs {1Peter 3:15} or Pharisees who are looking for trouble with Jesus' disciples trying to stop them from talking in the public? Act 14:19

Please think deeply before responding to this because it will show whether you're truly for Jesus (the Prince of Peace) or for the Pharisees (Satan's agents) John 8:44.

falcon01:
If I die today, I'm going to he'll! I ain't a bad person but I'm not serious with God matter.

Everyone is going to hell (grave) Ecclesiastes 9:10
Jesus also went there, there's just a different between believers and unbelievers:

Just as Jesus was remembered and brought back to life {Hebrews 5:7} God has given Jesus the power {Matthew 28:18} to raise all the friends of PEACE from grave (hell) {John 5:28-29} but as for people like you who have no business with God, you will be forgotten in your own grave! Psalms 9:17

God has nothing to do for you if you proved to be unserious about Him and His word, those who avail themselves for His word will be given the assignment Adam forfeited in the beginning which is making the earth a Paradise home and living forever as youths on it! Psalms 37:7-11, 29

After considering all the pains he has gone through a guy looked up to Jesus and begged saying:

"Jesus please remember me when all these goodies is ready" and instantly Jesus told him "i am promising you today, you will be there" Luke 23:42-43

So it's not to late to search for God if you want to live forever in Paradise, there's no life now if compared to what God has in stock for us.
My dear that is where the real life is! 1Timothy 6:19

As you contemplate on this message i'll say:

See you in Paradise!

HELLASJ:
Oga no go die for nothing o, it works in most cases depends on the environment. For instance, e d sup for kogi wels

An example is what Jesus taught his followers about material possessions and greed. Matthew 6:24-34
Anyone who is determined to be rich will put himself in a lot of dangers {1Timothy 6:7-10 compare to Matthew 6:19-21}
To protect such riches most people have to go all the way to get weapons and distribute to security operatives to protect them instead of relying on God's protection, and worse still so many have returned to Egypt meaning they're now going for charms to protect them!

So how far are they now from those demons?

Dtruthspeaker:
I do not insult any one who does no wrong. I may still not insult where a person makes a reasonable wrong.

But a standing consistent wrong, of which valid and irrefutable correction has been given renders a person who refuses to take correction open to Condemnation of all kinds, (insults, ridicule, mockings, snide remarks etc)

IT IS THE LAW-"EVERY WRONG DOING OR SAYING MUST BE CONDEMNED!"

AND RIGBTNESS AND TRUTH MUST AT A TIMES AND PLACES, BE UPHELD!

And right now, on this topic, you and your group (I say this respectfully now, for it is also a natural right for a person to be stupid and associate with stupid people and I love and respect natural rights so, within your bounds of Law, you and your group have a right to be stupid and do stupid things BUT LET IT NOT COME OUT INTO THE PUBLIC, FOR THEN, EVERY BODY HAS A RIGHT TO CONDEMN OR PRAISE YOUR STUPIDITY. so back to what I wanted to say. when) are presenting your personal wishes as though it was True.

AND THIS IS WRONG AND THEREFORE CONDEMNABLE, CONDEMNATION OF WHICH YOU HAVE RECEIVED ALL OVER THE WORLD, EXACTLY HOW TRUTH KILLS LIES AND CONTINUALLY CONDEMNS IT, LIKE IT DID TO THE MUSLIMS.

So, just like the Muslims, you can confine your wishes to your halls and personal he spaces.

And as you can see, I do not comment much on you peoples' personal grounds eg like the JW thread you raised, just like the islam page.

God's word is logical but you don't know it that is why you people only quote but can't practice what you're quoting!

It's unchristian forcing your own conviction on others, that's is tantamount to EXTREMISM!
Learn from Jesus' disciples, they recognized the Christ but when Samaritans dishonored Jesus they wanted to curse them, Jesus made them realize that such is wrong! Luke 9:51-56
As a Christian only God's word is needed to assist anyone and if such a person ignores it's unchristian to start insulting or abusing such a person because it's obvious he/she doesn't want to submit to the same authority (God's word) as i do.
So the rest must be left in God hands to do the judging.
Every religionist strongly believe he/she is right so once we make our presentation we mustn't abuse, insult or curse anyone rather we are to walk away peacefully.
That's the order from the man called Jesus whom you're misrepresenting: 1Perer 3:15

"And whatever town or village you enter, find out who is worthy in it, and stay with him until you depart. As you enter the house, salute it. And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it; but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. And if any one will not receive you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly, I say to you, it shall be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomor′rah than for that town" Matthew 10:11-15

If you still insisted on your irrational attitude after reading Jesus' comments on how to react to those who disagree with his disciples then i will have to ignore you completely because only those obeying him are his true followers not those calling his name up and down! Matthew 7:21-23; 15:8-9