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tctrills:
I am seeking one who is above your level and who has answers. I mean a better markerter.

Good!
So go in search of them perhaps their response will be MORE INTERESTING than mine!

tctrills:
This question is very shallow, you know why? this same argument can be made in defense of any scripture. This same argument can be made in defense of even the 6&7 Books of Moses.

Again you claim that the Church of God was lost until 1914, did God fail to monitor His own message which was authored to save mankind.

Now to answer your question
God did not fail he just did not put all his words in one book. So we have the Bible with 66 books and we continue to get his words from other books and other sources. Now I have answered your question are you willing to attempt mine?

NO! You haven't answered my question SATISFACTORILY!

If the Bible is not the complete message God wants mankind to assimilate then how can there be one religion as prophesied in the Bible {Zephaniah 3:9} remember Jesus prayed for God's people to have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} and Apostles Paul admonished his fellow believers to do just so.
Now can you explain how possible is that when the books that will guide God's people is not compiled in one volume?

tctrills:
Yes, we would discuss other groups but there is a time and a thread for everything. We are currently discussing the scripture. Since I have been discussing with you, this is one of the few topics where you have not attempted to answer my questions instead you want to divert into another topic. I really wish you had a senior colleague who could answer simple questions.

They're all around you my friend, just ask anyone in your neighbourhood about Jehovah's Witnesses and then go ahead with your questions.
But before you do note that we have a target and special kind of people we are searching for {Matthew 10:6} so you must try to be specific with what you intend to do with the answer otherwise my brothers and sisters will just leave you and go for those who are hungry and thirsty for PURE WORSHIP. Those ones only need to see the fulfilment of Bible prophecies and the group performing in harmony with the prophecies. Once they see the fulfilment they will kneel and beg for where their brothers are meetings for PURE WORSHIP!

tctrills:
You agree with the compilation of the 66 books, you know it came from the Catholics yet you reject their other books. You said God would not allow his record to be wrongly complied yet you believe the Apocryphal. you depend on the Catholics for the word of God. You reject other books accepted by even bible writers.
You claim that the truth was lost until 1914 but somehow these people complied the bible in the 4th century.
You are not doing the best job as a marketer. I wish I can talk with your superior maybe they would have the answers you don't.

Hilarious!
This was exactly the same thing you said the last time we had a lengthy conversation!
You've been asking questions since but this time i just ask one question and here you failed to answer!

Well let me ask again but this time try not to be emotional instead go straight to what you want to emphasize with that lengthy epistle.

What exactly is your point?

God failed to monitor His own message which was authored to save mankind.

God missed some of his inspired writings while humans took charge if it's compilation.

God wants mankind to wait until he comes to reveal more info for the salvation of mankind.

Please you may present your own point if none of the three fittingly describe your write-up!

tctrills:
Now you are trying to confuse me but it wouldn't work. Every religion claims to be the right one so you have no evidence there. This your answer does not mean anything because any other Christian can give this same answer. The 66 books were not written or complied by your church and the are not unique to your church. So what is your point?

Now let me enlighten you!

First let's travel back to the first century when Jesus got baptized by John. Before this time two Jewish zealots have come claiming they are the Messiah but both of them died in the struggle and all their followers were forgotten {Act 5:36-37} these are the ones Jesus later referred to as thieves that came before him! John 10:8
So no doubt the nation has been expecting the Messiah (Christ) but what is the evidence that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah?

Note how Nathaniel debunked Jesus when his brother Philip first mentioned "Jesus of Nazareth" {John 1:45-46} surely Jesus needs to present his credentials as the true Messiah.

Even John the baptist was confused after his arrest expecting Jesus to come and deliver him from prison after all Jesus is the Messiah who will rule in righteousness {Isaiah 9:7} so he sent his disciples to ask if Jesus is the real Messiah {Matthew 11:2-3} did Jesus do what John was expecting? Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Jesus only told John's disciples to go back and tell John about the fulfilment of prophecies regarding the promised Messiah {Matthew 11:4-6} Note what Jesus used to end his response to John's question:

"Blessed is anyone who does not stumble on account of me." Matthew 11:6 NIV

Jesus said this to warn John not to be stumbled due to wrong expectations the way most Jews were stumbled.

Now My Point!

Jehovah's Witnesses have presented their own group as the one and only organization having Jesus' backing and the fulfilment of Bible prophecy pointing to what God's people will be doing during the final part of the days {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} so if you truly appreciate God's inspired word instead of supporting the idea that it's incomplete why not ask for any other PERFORMING GROUP and let them present their achievements in harmony with the prophecy regarding the final part of the days?

tctrills:
I did not call you stupid it was the question I called stupid.
So let me give you a lesson in history. let me teach you how the bible was compiled
The Old Testament books were written well before Jesus’ Incarnation, and all of the New Testament books were written by roughly the end of the first century A.D. But the Bible as a whole was not officially compiled until the late fourth century, illustrating that it was the Catholic Church who determined the canon—or list of books—of the Bible under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Indeed, the Bible is not a not a self-canonizing collection of books, as there is no table of contents included in any of the books.

Although the New Testament canon was not determined until the late 300s, books the Church deemed sacred were early on proclaimed at Mass, and read and preached about otherwise. Early Christian writings outnumbered the 27 books that would become the canon of the New Testament. The shepherds of the Church, by a process of spiritual discernment and investigation into the liturgical traditions of the Church, spread throughout the world, had to draw clear lines of distinction between books that are truly inspired by God and originated in the apostolic period, and those which only claimed to have these qualities.

The process culminated in 382 as the Council of Rome, which was convened under the leadership of Pope Damasus, promulgated the 73-book scriptural canon. The biblical canon was reaffirmed by the regional councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397), and then definitively reaffirmed by the ecumenical Council of Florence in 1442).
3 things here, If you claim the compilation was inspired. Then you should be a Catholic. they compiled the bible. Again how do you tell that the compilation was inspired?
finally, I have given you a list of other prophets' writings quoted in the bible. Doesn't that show you that they did a very bad job?

Now this is what i call STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!

Before you type first meditate on the point you are trying to emphasize:

God is not able to see to the compilation of the message He wants mankind to assimilate for them to be saved.

Or

God failed to monitor His inspired writings which was purposely authored to save mankind.

Or

Mankind must wait for God to come and readjust what is compiled for their salvation.

Please which of this three are you trying to say?

You're free to present your POINT if the three doesn't fittingly describe your write-up!

tctrills:
Even when you reshape my question, you do not answer it.
1. You asked what is the evidence; but you gave no evidence.
2. Are you saying that the other writings of Apostles and prophets that are not in the bible are uninspired? Examples are, book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29), an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9); possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3); an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16); and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14).
3. You claim to have an assurance that all you need is 66 books. The Bible never said so. So where did you get your assurance?

Jesus said:

By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Matthew 7:16-18

So the assurance is when things works out for the purpose for which the books were written!

tctrills:
4. It wasn't God that gave us 66 books, it was those that compiled the bible long after the death of the Apostles. These were not men of God.

Jesus said "by their FRUITS you will know them" definitely God's Holy Spirit worked with those who compiled those 66 books that's why the Bible has produced a big and happy family of peace loving worshipers as God foretold! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

tctrills:
If I have insulted you, I apologize but I don't know how I have insulted you.
You quote Revelations 22:18-19 but this does not suffice because most of these books were written even before revelations so they are not additions. Pauls letter to the Laodiceans for example.
Again Revelations 22:18-19 shows that those thar compiled the bible are guilty of removing books from the word of God.
So please try to attempt my questions. Or do you want me to ask them again so you can remember?
If you truly believe we shouldn't add or remove then why do you support the removal of books written by Apostles and Prophets, some of which were quoted by other Apostles and prophets?
Clearly, that is double standard.

When catching fun do you think it's proper to use words like "STUPID" to address a friend?

Moreover your attitude the exact opposite of what you said, you said you're here to catch some fun while i'm here to market my religion yet it's you that's catching fun that's using provocative speeches!

The inspired writers have played their part and those that compiled it have also played their part, evidently God's Holy Spirit monitored the whole process. There are people who wanted to add and some wanted to subtract but God's Holy Spirit rescued the 66 so that nothing affected the ones God wants mankind to use.
Remember Jesus promised that He will always be in the midst of those doing his father's work {Matthew 18:20} therefore Jesus used God's Holy Spirit to monitor the compilation of those 66 inspired writings! John 16:12-13

After the accurate compilation Jesus waited until 1914 when God ordered him to start ruling in heaven {Psalms 110:1 compare to Revelations 12:7-8} immediately the earth felt that some aliens have arrived on this planet {Revelations 12:9-12} that was the exact moment Jesus came in spirit to reorganize his group and ever since then millions have been flocking into Jesus' group while those who doesn't belong to Jesus but found themselves in his group either through birth or relations left Jesus' group! John 6:66

The year 2019 marked a century that Jesus' group started all over again what their first century Jewish brothers did back then and what is the result?
They have gathered people from all races and assembled them for the Kingdom of the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So Faith is the assured expectations of what is hoped for the evident demonstration of realities even though everyone can't grasp it! Hebrews 11:1

With what Jehovah's Witnesses have used that 66 books to achieved within just a century all what individuals like me need is to find my way into that organization {Zechariah 8:23} anything else is STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!

The purpose for which God inspired those writers has been met!

tctrills:
I am actually pleased with what you are doing. I an enjoying it. I writ each time a thought comes to my mind.
I have asked a number of questions since yesterday yet you havery not responded

All your questions are summed up in one:

What is the evidence that God wants us to hold onto only those 66 books?

My response is clear:

GOD has a purpose for inspiring the writers and once that purpose is met then we have the assurance that the 66 books are exactly what we need!

Mercisharelove:
Wow, kids everywhere,
What's Jehovah witness goal? To awake the dead souls right, are you now happy that people are dead, wake up, you are not competing with anyone....
Preach and keep preaching the good news of CHRIST JESUS

When you ask a JW a question please try to wait for response instead of jumping to conclusion.
The highlighted is a very good question so here is the answer:

Jehovah's Witnesses aren't out there for everyone, we are in search of the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" {Matthew 10:6 compare to Matthew 15:24} this means people who are hungry for pure worship {Matthew 5:6} so it's not for everyone out there because faith on it's own is a possession of few obedient, faithful and loyal individuals not all kinds of people! 2Thessalonians 3:2

So keep waiting for your brethren in "THE LIGHT"

tctrills:
My friend, the yardstick to ascertain that God's inspired word (Bible) is complete with those 66 books is here today[color=#770077][/color].
They are not the only books here.. I gave you examples of the Apocryphal and the Book of Mormon.
Again the only reason they are here is because someone with no qualification chose to destroy other inspired records.
How did you decide that only 66 books are inspired?
Or are you guys not allowed to ask or answer hard questions?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!

My friend, are you on a hot seat that you have to respond three consecutive times to just one post?

Please relax and let's catch the fun together as you earlier said. You are "catching some fun" while i am marketing my religion, so there's no need to become tensed over fun nah!

For your information, God's word warned us not to engage APOSTATES (ExJWs) because in within their hearts they're feeling tensed over what they're loosing but facially they pretend as if all is well. It's when we are chatting that the real person inside them becomes obvious.
So are you now one of those who feel like hurting your neighbour because of his faith?
Remember i came to your thread and left after noticing that you're not pleased with what i'm doing there. So if you now come for me i believe you've never find someone whose comments is as interesting as mine. Please let's try to be liberal with each other!

tctrills:
Rather than answer my questions, you started marketing your church. We both are not kids. If you can't answer let me know and stop wasting my time. I have asked over a dozen questions about the 66 books, those who complied them, lots scriptures and so on. You have not attempted to answer any. What is wrong with you?

Don't get upset my friend, i thought you said you came here to catch some fun so why using abusive speech with provocation?
If you ask someone a question or dozens of questions and you're not getting your desired response all an intellectual (who is catching some fun) would do is conclude that the one you're asking doesn't have the answers, and you're good to go!
But when you're asking questions and becoming abusive simply because you feel the person you're asking doesn't provide a desirable response do you still think you're "catching fun"?

Well the book (Bible) was inspired by someone and the Author (GOD) has a purpose why He arranged for this documents to reach mankind so i used the illustration of a medicine to explain how people like me do reason, once the motive of the pharmacist is achieved in a perfect sense then we (Jehovah's Witnesses) believe that all the ingredients are complete.

We know that after Armageddon when all evildoers are gone, our God will reveal more secrets to help us reach perfection but for now He wants us to work on is the 66 in order to achieve what He said in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3 that's why His Son could say:
NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19

Please let's try to maintain our calmness if you still want me to believe that you're not here to attack me but to "catch some fun"

tctrills:
Who compiled the 66 books? Who decided what was inspired or not. You claim Paul's letterm to the Ladocians was an uninspired writing of Paul?
Or that the book of Samuel the prophet was uninspired?
How did you decide what was inspired and what is not? What is your yardstick?

Have you ever sit down and think about medicines that works perfectly?
After seeing how perfect the medicine WORKS do you still contemplate how it's ingredients were mixed?
Do you worry about some other ingredients as something to be added or subtracted from it's ingredients?

My friend, the yardstick to ascertain that God's inspired word (Bible) is complete with those 66 books is here today.
God said:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4

The mountain of God means PURE WORSHIP, the hills means false religions, all the nations means people from different races.
They will come under one umbrella and start INSTRUCTING themselves with what they found in the WORD of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. What they found will help them settle all their racial disparities, they will divert all their resources into the production of food and information materials, they will no longer think of weapons nor military services again! Micah 4:1-3

You and i can see it happening in our own eyes as Jehovah's Witnesses have gone throughout the earth to gather obedient people under one umbrella and everything written in that prophecy is been fulfilled.
So my friend, what exactly do you think is missing in that book used to perfectly achieve this mission?

Mercisharelove:
What I see is flesh
Because if you were to be JESUS, you won't agree to die for everyone, ABI??
This one you are already forming culture in HIS NAME..
WAKE UP SLEEPER, YOU ARE STILL IN DARKNESS

IN DARKNESS!
My guy, it's been 48hours that you raised this question and up till now the one and only person who responded positively told you that you can't find WORKS in faiths the are DEAD but instead of you to embrace the truth you're here saying the person God is using to help you is IN THE DARKNESS.
Well let your brethren "IN THE LIGHT" come and talk about the WORKS of their faith! James 2:18-26

tctrills:
Initially you claimed all scripture are inspired of God but now you reduce it to just 66 scriptures. What's your final answer.

ALL SCRIPTURES found in the Bible is the point not books outside the Bible!
Moreover you shouldn't forget that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has a reason why He inspired those writing those books and if the purpose has been met then mission accomplished.

His purpose is to gather humble and obedient people throughout the earth under one umbrella, teach them what they need to know about His coming Kingdom in Paradise, erase politics and racism from their hearts, make them sheeplike in order not to think of weapons or wars anymore ! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Once the above is done then there is proof that the books used to accomplish it is exactly what the Author intended to pass to His people!

Yorùbá people has an adage:

Ewé ń jẹ́, Oògùn ń jẹ́, Oògùn tí ò jẹ́ ewé rẹ̀ ló kù kan
Loosely translated
Herbs do cure, Medicines do heal, it's when an ingredient is missing that such a medicine fails

James said:

Nevertheless, someone will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.”

So my friend, Jehovah's Witnesses have gone round the world and they have brought out people from all races, and they've taught them how to love their neighbours just as the love themselves, they have eradicated politics and racism from their hearts so that none of them engages in politics no matter how Satan is brandishing it before them, they have erased the use of weapons from their hearts and stop them from learning about wars {Isaiah 2:2-4} all these they accomplished with the use of those 66 books. That's why Satan is using all these critics to speak against God's people.
I'm bearing them witness today that most of them don't know what they're doing {Luke 23:34} some of them are simply overzealous for the religions of their parents thinking they're also Christians {Romans 10:2-3} so when they come in contact with Jehovah's Witnesses who proved their religion false they are provoked and they begin looking for ways to sort of retaliate. But some among them are really Satan agents who knew God's people have the truth, they just want more hands to attack God's people.
For the ignorant ones among them we pray for their salvation before it's too late but as for the agents of Satan among them we tell them that their wages is waiting for them.
God's people has been separated today from Babylon the Great {Revelations 18:4} the narrow path is clearly spelt out while the broad road is also obvious {Matthew 7:13-14} that's why we always tell them what often makes them go crazy:

If you people say Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong, please present a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses!

This is one sentence that will save any sincere individual following them, such a person only need to ask himself:
"Who are all these people merging against the JWs? And to what religion do they belong?
Of course most of them will claim they're Christians but ask yourself "do all these other religions agree to be one? Aren't they also contradicting themselves? Then why have they all agreed just to form alliance against Jehovah's Witnesses? After all the JWs can also be considered as another denomination just as they're all claiming!

The truth is Satan is the ruler of the world {Luke 4:6; John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} and all the religions on this planet belongs to him except the one headed by Jesus Christ {Matthew 7:13-14} so the same treatment Satan and his agents gave Jesus and his first century followers is what Satan and his agents will always give Jesus' true followers! Matthew 10:22-25; John 15:19

May you have PEACE!

tctrills:
Your theory of 66 does not hold.
Here are a number of books not found in Bible.
book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14); book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18); book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41); book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29); visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22); book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15); book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34)
an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16); and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14

All books inspired by God has been included that's why those writers were mentioning books that weren't inspired but like history to authenticate the stories so that any of their own people who want to verify the historical accuracy may check those uninspired books.
That's why those ones weren't included!

tctrills:
I don't get you why does it has to be 66 books for there to be oneness? Why not 45 books or 75 books?
Is 66 the number of oneness?

There are 40 Israelites that wrote those 66 book so each writer is known that's why no other book comes in!

tctrills:
Now you need to learn, But first you have proved that you don't really believe that all scriptures are inspired. You choose a select number. Now, why did you decide that only 66 books are of God? The bible never mentioned any number of books that are inspired. How did you tell which is inspired and which is not?
Now clear these 66 were not the only books written. if you read the bible you would learn that more than 66 were written

Our God is not for confusion {1Corinthians 14:33} so if there are other books INSPIRED outside those 66 books then there can never be oneness in thought as Jesus prayed {John 17:22} because books from different sources will be revered as inspired then there's no way anyone can ascertain right or wrong in worship. 1Corinthians 1:10

Do you now see the reason why Jehovah's Witnesses only trusted those 66 books?

In fact that's why all other religions can't face one direction because they're confused as to which book is inspired of God!

tctrills:
See this man that was acting like the bible was his science textbook. The bible teaches a subject. Its all about salvation

Is SALVATION part of the faculties in the varsities?

tctrills:
is the Book of Mormon Inspired by God? Is the Catholic Bible inspired by God?

Are these books included in the 66 books of the Bible?

Perhaps you need some enlightenment here, those 66 books were written by Israelites and scholars have verified that this are the only books written by the Israelites before interested scholars later divided it into 1189 chapter and 31,200 verses.

Any other books outside this is not part of the inspired books Sir!

tctrills:
I never accused the bible of failing. you have a habit of miss representing me. i said the bible is not a science book and we don't get scientific facts from it.

The Bible teaches no subject so stop deceiving yourself.
It's about humans and how we can live happily on this planet. But when it touches on any subject as in ANY SUBJECT God's word gives accurate information!

tctrills:
go back to your books

ALL SCRIPTURES IS INSPIRED OF GOD AND BENEFITIAL!

tctrills:
Actually I enjoy guys like you who see things differently. I find it much fun doing this with you. and I know you enjoy it also. i feel you cant do without these nairaland confrontations

We are trained soldiers of the Good News so we love to face challenges but once we notice that the person we're chatting with doesn't share our interest we walk away.
So if you still have more questions i'm around even though you've declared that you're just here catching fun.
We are not directing our blows into tin air, we always do follow up on our works! 1Corinthians 9:26

tctrills:
you just lied. As a child, we had the JW children's bible in our house. it happed to seek songs of Solomon. the wise writers did that for a reason. the bible contains more than the word of God but we can't argue on everything. and paul was long dead when the bible was compiled so clearly his statement to timothy was not referring to the bible as we know it today. the bible did not exist in Pauls days

My friend, are you talking about the NWT or My Book Of Bible Stories?
There is no Bible version published by the Watchtower where the songs of Solomon is omitted.
So humble yourself and learn or better still stay with your friends with whom you share the same interest: "having fun"

tctrills:
good for you. some of us are just here to pick up on interesting topics and have fun. I am not looking for converts. I am only interested in various opinions about Christianity

Good!
So dance with people who share your line of thought, we are seriously in search of the lost sheep of the house of our Master, Lord and King! Matthew 10:6; 15:24

tctrills:
Yes, all scripture is inspired by God not all of the bible. The bible is a collection of books. I think you really need to be humble here. if you do not know the history of the bible I would teach you for free.
God inspired the prophets but the bible contains more than the prophets inspired writings. Songs of Solomon for example has zero gospel teach. It's just soft porn. I am not sure you want your 8 years kid reading it

My friend, ALL SCRIPTURES IS INSPIRED OF GOD AND BENEFITIAL!
Most Bible readers don't understand why the songs of Solomon is included in the scriptures that's said to be inspired of God and benefitial?

Please read the last verse of that chapter:

so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work! 2Timothy 3:17

Now go back and read the songs of Solomon again but this time read carefully, study diligently and meditate thoroughly, you will realize that those songs are useful for a man of God who wants to keep his marriage till death.
If my little child reads it and ask me surely i'll joyously tell him or her that this verses are meant for married couples, so when he/she is ripe for marriage he/she needs those verses to keep his or her marriage!

We are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, that book (Bible) belongs to us!

tctrills:
I am generally interested in religion and you are clearly the most obvious person in this niche. I am beginning to believe you are some kind of marketer for your church. The first time we ever discussed, it was you commenting on my thread.

YES! I'm one out of millions of marketers our Master, Lord and King sent out to sell life's water for FREE! Matthew 10:8 compare to Revelations 22:17
So my friend i am one of the marketers of the Good News of God's Kingdom!

tctrills:
Actually the Jews were among the backwards tribes of the Mediterranean. Unlike Egypt, Athens and Rome. The Jews ancient were a little people with no known contribution to science.
They were mostly a weak and defeated nation. You really need to read up history.
And it's very possible that 5he Jews knew so much about wine. That proves my point, Paul was given common medical advice to his brother not some inspired word.
Today, man has developed much better treatment for indigestion than wine. In modern medicine, we no longer depend on wine do you know why?
Because we can isolate the essential component's in wine and produce it synthetically and make it more potent. That is the power of modern medicine. AND THAT IS WHY I DON'T DEPEND ON THE BIBLE FOR MEDICAL ADVICE.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, well it's due to their faithlessness that drove them backward my friend, the most informed personality in the whole universe is God, and the Israelites were his chosen people. So had it been they were faithful to their God no nation on this planet can be as informed in any field like God's own people. Please try the research fast and let's see where the Bible failed in any subject, then we can talk about the nation that could be ahead of them if they were faithful to the true God!
Remember Job 26:7 and Isaiah 40:22
Then think of any nation that's accurately informed about those two aspects than God's own people!

tctrills:
God is always right but like I say the bible does not only contain God's word. AND the bible is not God's little science book

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness! 2Timothy 3:16

Humble yourself and learn my friend, the whole Bible is inspired through God's Holy Spirit so everything regarding information is God's word!

tctrills:
Honestly I am beginning not to understand you, what is your point

There are hundreds of thousands of monikers on this forum and on this section thousands of threads, can you tell me why you're so much interested in my comments that you haven't questioned anyone else on their beliefs?

Emusan:
At least you agreed now that you do "ARGUE"
Even that, his post still not the one that change the thread to BLOOD TRANSFUSION rather the tactic of You deviating from the main point.

Well it's OK, i'm sure the OP himself heard you so let's see how he focus on the topic he raised!

Emusan:
It's not a question in the first place, so I only brought that point to show you that, this thread really hit the hard part of JWs that was the reason your fellow brother can call the OP EWU out of frustration.

I know you don't like accusing Mr A for the action of Mr B, so face that person not me. I'm still your friendly Maximus!

RussellRutherfo:


All these Ruther-tards who are so embarrassed by their organization's history but will say anything just to save face.

I am glad people commented and said that they are checking up on these dates and Jehovah witness false prophecies.

You can try feign "it doesn't hurt you" but people are discovering the lies of your organization and more information are coming out. I will be dishing new facts out and the people can verify more.

The world over is feeling the force behind this greatest army of PEACE!
They have conquered so many kingdoms and brought out people for the name of their God and throughout the earth everyone has heard of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
Please! Please!! Please!!!
Present a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses!