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tctrills:
I find his words interesting but with little substance.

Now as Paul was saying these things in his defense, Festus said in a loud voice: “You are going out of your mind, Paul! Great learning is driving you out of your mind!” But Paul said: “I am not going out of my mind, Your Excellency Festus, but I am speaking words of truth and of a sound mind. For a fact, the king to whom I am speaking so freely well knows about these things; I am convinced that not one of these things escapes his notice, for none of this has been done in a corner. Do you, King A·gripʹpa, believe the Prophets? I know that you believe.” But A·gripʹpa said to Paul: “In a short time you would persuade me to become a Christian.” Act 2 6:24-28

When you listen to a real Christian you must feel the difference!

tctrills:
I have never argued on that. It's an interesting point you bring up and I would do some research.

I'm promising you now the same way i did on your thread that you can never find one aspect where God's word failed to give accurate info on any subject.
I'll be waiting for you my friend!

tctrills:
No one said the Greeks developed alcohol. You really should start reading what I write. I wrote that the Greeks began using Alcohol as medication before Paul wrote about it. Just read so you don't misquote me ok..

So who told you Jews aren't aware of such medication before Greeks?

tctrills:
I really don't know your point. No one reads the bible to understand science and no one reads science to understand God. You keep conflicting everything. You seem to be one of those that went to bible school and feel they are qualified to speak on every topic

MY POINT

The Bible is not a science textbook but anytime it touches on science everything it says is 100% accurate.
You can prove me wrong by quoting a scripture that touches on science but is not accurate.

I'll be waiting for your response on this!

tctrills:
I was talking specifically about the faithless Greeks who used alcohol as medication even before the birth of Paul

Alcohol has been used for medication throughout the world so it's not Greeks that invented alcohol {Deuteronomy 14:26} so it's been in use before Greeks civilization!

Emusan:
Reading what he wrote, he didn't switch over but only brought that as a point. It actually did because if not you & your brother won't still be on this thread pushing it to 8pages. One of your brother even called the OP "EWU" I guess you know the meaning.

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Lastly, did I quote you before you reply my post?

I quoted you indirectly because i'm not arguing with you rather telling you why the thread changed into something else.
As for the person that called him "EWU" i think you supposed to ask him not me nah, after all it's not me!

Emusan:
See how they use style change the thread from 100years of fruitless efforts to another lie of blood transfusion

Don't mind the OP jàre, he was the one who switched over to blood transfusion when he found out that the 100 years issue doesn't put JWs in a bad light as he expected!

RussellRutherfo:
I had a friend who had a medical condition when he was little. He confessed to me after awaking from the dead organization that if his parents were to be Jehovah witnesses when he was born with a medical condition that needed blood transfusion.

He won't have been alive today. That shocked me and is a reminder why all hands must be on deck to continue to expose the dark deeds of this evil Watch Tower Babble Society and liberate many under the capitivity of this brainwashing cult. I can only imagine how many children have been given no chance to live by an organization that makes up teachings on the go that are not biblical and have continued to change their teachings over the years.

Proverbs 4:19
The wicked continue to stumble in darkness.

Mercisharelove:
Myopia....
Only true believer, no religion or name...
Wake up from your deceptions, who created you??

If only true believer NO religion NO name then there's no difference all religions are acceptable to your god, shey?

Let me take my leave before you begin calling me names in addition to "MYOPIA" due to annoyance! Proverbs 17:14
Farewell Sir!

tctrills:
I agree with you, God's word is interpreted by those who have the spirit. iF YOU don't have the spirit you would never understand.

Paul's advice to Timothy was inspired!
Timothy must be one of those who don't take alcoholic drinks, Paul is here telling him to take it for his stomach illness.
Perhaps you've forgotten so i'll repeat myself. If a doctor doesn't believe in God i won't even patronize him talkless taking medical advice from him.
I kind of believe you have your own personal bible. How did you know that Timothy must be one of those who don't take alcoholic drinks? So would you give alcohol to your baby for stomach pain? Since you claim wine is God's inspired treatment for stomach pain.
also, would you use your inspired wine for every single belly illness? You take wine for kidney stones, for running stomach, for stomach infection, for canscer of the liver.

The credit for advancements technology and manufacturing of drugs is not for faithless researchers but all scientists, so don't tell me that the credit should be given to faithless ones like you!

tctrills:
Just so you know, the faithless greeks used wine as medication years before Paul was born. And so you know, we now have more advanced medication than wine.

SCIENCE before SCIENCE!
Manufacturers of drugs use many ingredients (including hard substances like ALCOHOL) so when Paul told Timothy to use alcohol, God's Holy Spirit was revealing to us what will become of such hard substance in the future.
Where were you and your faithless researchers when the greatest Scientist (GOD) created flying creatures thousands of years ago with rubber filled legs that will protect them from electric wires?
My friend go and relax, God's word has always been ahead of your faithless researchers claiming scientists!

tctrills:
Trusting God's words is one thing but adding to God's words is another. You do not add to God's words. If you trust God's words as you claim then why add salt and pepper and why depend on your brains.

God's word must be interpreted for others to understand that's why Jesus promised those anointed as teachers:
 “I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come John 16:12-13
This is the group that God's Holy Spirit will teach {John 14:26} then they will in turn teach others! Matthew 28:20
So if you don't know the anointed teachers of God's word, i'm sorry for you!

tctrills:
Also, not everything in the bible is God's words. For example, Paul told Timoty to take a little wine for the belly. That was Paul's medical advice. Modern medicine has better medications for indigestion than wine. So when a doctor gives you drugs for the belly, you don't reject it and drink wine instead.

Paul's advice to Timothy was inspired!
Timothy must be one of those who don't take alcoholic drinks, Paul is here telling him to take it for his stomach illness.
Perhaps you've forgotten so i'll repeat myself. If a doctor doesn't believe in God i won't even patronize him talkless taking medical advice from him.
Because i believe he/she must first believe in God before thinking of how to help me medically!

AntiChristian:
Where can we find your lies? Give us the Books your read it from. Abi na from your JW Bible? Awake tracts?

Answer Advocatejare!

tctrills:
I want to reply to what you just said especially because you called me a liar but I am not sure I understand your point. God's words have to do with salvation, not science. I am not sure I would read the bible if I am researching genetics.

The word BELIEVE connotes TRUST so believers in God's word fully trust what God says above anything else. If you want to trust in God's word then it's only on aspects not mentioned in His word that you're free to choose not when God say something and you decide to take what others say asserting they know better than God.
Any topic you prefer is your own cup of coffee but when BELIEVERS are talking about God's word upon which our faith is built please keep quiet because you're not ready to comply fully with what is written in God's word!

tctrills:
My very point, when we depend on our feelings for interpretation, we end up in different churches. This has nothing to do with God but everything to do with human differences.

Inconsistency exposed you as a liar!

If you don't trust God's word on issues having to do with science,then what makes you feel the Bible didn't condemn blood transfusion?
You're not ready to rely on the book yet you want to argue on what the book says, how does that sound to you yourself?

Well if you must know, only Jehovah's Witnesses fully believe (trust) the Bible!

tctrills:
Having millions or billions of people who believe a wrong idea is not a big deal. My point remains, you do not add to God's word and you don't depend on your little human brain to interpret his words. Lastly, you are not smarter than God. If God is against Blood transfusion, he would state it. We wouldn't be hearing it from you but from him.

RIGHT or WRONG depends on the angle from where you're seeing things.
If you feel my interpretation is wrong that's exactly how i feel about yours, so keep yours for those who will join you in worshiping your God while i'll keep mine for those who will worship my own God.
No wahala!

tctrills:
Whatever makes you sleep well at night. I don't use the bible for my science update.

Your PERSONAL opinion my friend!

tctrills:
Actually, I am saying God's words make no sense to you. because when you attempt to explain it beyond the bible, you run into trouble

Trouble with who?
We have millions of people who are OK with what i'm saying and they're happily living as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally.
So i don't care about whoever doesn't agree after all there is contradictions everywhere!

tctrills:
I choose to depend on the word of God and not someone else understanding. Just so you know, you eat blood anytime you eat meat. So you are not even keeping your own law.

Now you're talking!
Just say God's word makes no sense to you, ill understand but coming to contradict God's word disguising as a believer you will fail when you face JWs.
God said "remove the blood before cooking it" so if you don't agree with that it's your own cup of coffee!

tctrills:
If you choose to depend on the bible for your science, it's up to you. Your so-called faithless researchers have actually impacted much more to the world than the science of Isaiah and Job. But it's up to you to depend on Isaiah for your science.

There are faithful scientists like Moses and Isaiah who gave accurate information always even though faithless researchers also claiming scientists will be around to contradict them.
So choose for yourself!

tctrills:
Now you clearly state my point. God was not talking about transfusion.
I also believe that God is not dead. If he is against transfusion. He wouldn't leave us with scripture about eating blood. If he did not talk about it, you and I have no right to add new commandments.
What if I choose to say, God is against seeing Blood and I quote those same scriptures, would you agree with me?

We read, study and meditate!

The writers can't understand what transfusion is since it doesn't exist in their own time, so it's the scholars that will use their God's given brains to figure out the PRACTICAL APPLICATION.
We say it's having nothing to do with blood from other sources, we're not forcing our beliefs on you so if you don't agree with us go and practice what you want!

tctrills:
I understand your religious opinion. My issues with you were that you were attempting some funny science.

What you understand is non of my business, our God talked about blood and warned us to abstain from it so continue with your science you'll still get there.
Thousands of years ago faithless researchers claiming scientists said "the earth is flat" WHY? Because they can't decipher how people can live on anything that's not flat. At that same time our God inspired His prophet to pen it down that the earth is a circle! Isaiah 40:22
They also claim that the earth was resting on some huge animals when God inspired Moses to pen it down that the earth is hanging upon nothing! Job 26:7

So relax my friend, when that time comes your so called scientists will apologize once again telling everyone that they are wrong about blood transfusion while God's word is right as usual!

tctrills:
By simply telling you not to make blood transfusion simple. The danger of suggesting that when God says, abstain from blood, he was referring to blood transfusion is that another could say God was referring to touching of blood another could suggest God was referring to seeing of blood another could suggest God was talking about even mentioning blood.
we would just continue suggesting for God to no end. That's crazy.

So there is something known as TRANSFUSION back then, shey?

You really amuse me my friend.
God inspired those writing the words so there's no way you should expect Him to say things they can't comprehend like Transfusion back then.
It's simply "don't eat blood"

tctrills:
This does not even make any sense. No single health procedure guarantees life. No single drug guarantees life. What are you even saying? Are you suggesting that we stop every health process that does not guarantee life? We stop taking malaria drugs. we stop cancer treatments. We stop all surgeries. We stop using all kinds of drugs and we stop vaccines.
I actually see you as a very intelligent person, you shouldn't be making statements like this to sell your religious opinions.

So far it doesn't guarantee life then i'll go for another option since my own God forbids it!

tctrills:
so you choose to add to the bible because blood transfusion was not practiced then.
So like I said earlier you created your own personal interpretation. Abstinence from blood can be interpreted to mean abstinence from blood transfusion. Another could interpret to mean, abstinence from shedding blood or from seeing blood or touching blood or a million other interpretations. This is what happens when churches give their own interpretation of God's word. God clearly told us not to eat blood. It is stated clearly but you choose to add your opinion. If God is against blood transfusion, he would reveal it.

How else do you expect God to tell you not to take in blood?

tctrills:
Thanks for quoting scripture.
The only commandment about blood was not to eat blood. Remember, we don't add to the word of God.
Leviticus 17:11,14
11 For the life of a creature is in the blood,(A) and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.[a](B) 12 Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may any foreigner residing among you eat blood.”

13 “‘Any Israelite or any foreigner residing among you who hunts any animal or bird that may be eaten must drain out the blood and cover it with earth,(C) 14 because the life of every creature is its blood. That is why I have said to the Israelites, “You must not eat the blood of any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood; anyone who eats it must be cut off.
Act 15:29
29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.(A) You will do well to avoid these things.

No single verse in the bible talks about blood transfusion. Unless you have a different bible.

All the verses I read talk about eating of blood.QED

Back then transfusion has not been discovered so the only way people take in blood is through eating. So if abstinence from blood is what the Bible says then i believe it shouldn't be taking into the body either by eating or transfusion!

tctrills:
Like I said early, you obviously know nothing about the science of blood transfusion. And you showed your ignorance in the topic. You have a right to be against any researcher. But the thing with science is that it is no respecter, of persons.
1+1=2 not minding if it's done by a faithless researcher or a faithful researcher. Scientists can argue but the science is universal.
You don't need to go to church to understand gravity.
So no one cares if you agree with science or not. With science, it's not about what you agree with but what you can proof.

There's proof that blood transfusion doesn't guarantee life!

MufasaLion:
That is not foolishness. You're too dumb to realise that it's not a must to be in a group before you condemn things.

Real foolishness is when you're condemning APC government but you can't present a better performing group!

MufasaLion:
I spot foolishness when I see one.

Real foolishness is when you're pointing to others around you as wrongdoers but can't present your own group where you people are doing what is right!

ANTIlSLAM:
Which of the history books you read says pre-islamic Arabia was mainly idolatry?

How many times am I going to correct you on this?? Why disgracing Islam here

Before i thought he loves the truth the way he was running all over Nairaland calling for attention, now it's crystal clear that he is a worthless liar like his prophet!

MufasaLion:
That's none of your business.

So what's your business in whatever i choose to believe?

AntiChristian:
You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. Ignorance does not spare the elder who refuses the truth!

Ògbéni defend your stupid book and prophet or else you're a LIAR period!

You always come up with this your grandpa stuff and i just pray you also live to see your children get married so you can become a grandpa. If you wish you may say AMEN!

AntiChristian:
This is not a proof! Bring verifiable proof that Khadijah was influenced by Catholicism! In almost all history books i have heard the preislamic Arabia was mainly idolatry not Catholicism.

I can also claim Paul who was Saul before was influenced by idolatry before converting without really being appointed by Jesus. Hence he subsequently wrote 13 books even more than all the disciples who Jesus appointed combined. Now Saul did travel around and studied other religions which he used to replace Jesus's teaching. Remember he hated Jesus. This is where the idolatry of Blood Sacrifice come from.

Continue deceiving yourself!

Catholicism is known throughout the civilized world back then because Romans were forcing their religion on everyone except if such people aren't ppolitically motivated.
So relax and accept the truth, Muhammad and Khadijat knew the Catholics very well.
And don't dodge the question i asked:
[b]"It's boldly written in your Qu'ran that Muhammad had issues with CHRISTIANS and Jews, who are so called CHRISTIANS if not the one and only religion claiming Christians back then, the Roman Catholics?