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When will you guys wake up from this artistic impressions of holiness to be portrayed as a white man while the black man represents evil?

tctrills:
I found this discussion very interesting for some reasons.
1st I noticed that our JW brother is not comfortable with you. It's not my business to know what beef you guys have. But I hope it gets resolved someday.
Also our guy declared the Catholic Church as the antichrist yet God worked together with the antichrist to give us the bible as we have it today. Even a kid wouldn't believe that.

Well that's because you don't know our God!
He is able to help His servants under any condition Satan create to make things difficult for them. Satan created the Catholic Church to replace true Christianity after killing all the pioneers of Christianity. But that doesn't mean God has forgotten faithful people who woke up to find themselves in that false religions and they don't know any other. Every effort of Satan to adulterate God's word was futile and Satan's agents only ended up dividing the 66 books into 1189 chapters and 31200 verses.
JEHOVAH has done that several times in the past:
Egypt was the first world power filled with gods of different kinds yet that was the nation Jehovah used to preserve Jacob and his family during a harsh famine.
Persia was a pagan nation filled with idols of all kinds yet that was the nation Jehovah used to free His people from Babylon.
So when Jesus said Satan will oversow weeds in Jesus' field and he (Jesus) will allow both of them to grow together {Matthew 13:24-30} we don't expect God's work to stop simply because Satan enslaved pure worshipers and kept them under the AntiChrist (Catholic Church) we know God's work will be in progress no matter Satan's scheme!

tctrills:
Finally, it was interesting to see 2 JW brothers with different opinions. I actually liked it. I don't like organization's where people are told what to think. It was interesting to note they they can think independently. Even though when Janosky noticed, he got uncomfortable and stopped replying me.

I told you "you misunderstood my brother" no JW will agree with you that there are other INSPIRED writings not compiled with the Bible. But it's OK if misconstruing what he said makes you feel happy and satisfied!

sonmvayina:
Lol..It is about You defending jw 100 years of failed prophesy. And you saying you only believe in the 66 books of the Bible. I was only trying to let you know the only word of God is the Torah because God wrote it himself. All others are just footnotes and bull shiit.

Thank you!

sonmvayina:
Lol..does God have a physical body?

Why can't you just keep your god to yourself while i keep mine to myself since grouping makes no sense to you?

FriendsAndFans:
Perhaps you've heard the particular saying that counters the topic.

After careful observation, I have seen "The Wages of Sin is not death"

Romans 6:23

sonmvayina:
The only inspired word of God is the Torah (Genesis to Deuteronomy) all others are footnotes and bull Shiit.

Go and tell your fellow believers in reincarnation. I don't think anyone is ready for your reincarnation stuff here, what the OP and his cohorts are trying to do is accuse a religious group for celebrating a century of their activities in the world's most populous black nation.
So if you don't have anything to say about that i don't think you're wanted here.
My piece of advice to you!

sonmvayina:
Grouping is good, if it involves worshipping the true creator of heaven and earth. Not when it is about an idol (jesus)...
Do you understand me now?

Your definition of "God" totally differ from mine so your definition of "Idol" will surely differ from mine.
So keep your god while i keep mine!

Does God Really Know The Future?

Your question is dicey but if you really want to know the answer to the question i can share my little experience with you.
I'm Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses..
Please are you a calm person?
Because i can't cope with aggressive people. So if you're truly searching for the answer both of us can solve the riddle.

tctrills:
The thing is this, we know where we both stand. I was not trying to change your mind. I only wanted to see if you had any real prove or scriptural backing for your opinion.
I enjoyed this thread though especially when your brother joined the discussion. Thanks some other time.

Nice to have this with you my friend!

tctrills:
So in summary, we could state that according to JW doctrine, the antichrist was responsible for compiling the bible? That is the take home from this discussion.

Whatever you are able to make out of the discussion is OK by me.
As long as you're aware that JWs will never accept any other writings outside the 66 books of the Bible as INSPIRED WORD of our own God!

tctrills:
These your words really implicate you. You state that not all the words from inspired men are inspired from God and I agree. Peter was an inspired man of God yet Christ once called him a Devil. He and Paul also had their issues.
But then in chosen what was inspired and what was not, it was up to the Catholic Church and the final Authority of the Pope. God gives his holy assignments to his prophets and apostles not to the antichrist.
It is not in the nature of God to give holy things to the dogs. So it's either you are wrong about the Catholic Church being the antichrist or you are wrong about the 66 books being the only inspired books. Choose one.

My friend, you have no problem so don't create one for yourself!

The Bible is the only inspired word of our own God but if you don't agree with that it's OK you may soothe yourself!

This thread is a set-up by Apostates crying all day and night over their loss so it's like you're not aware of their pain.
You are the only one here that doesn't know why they're all wailing up and down.
You don't have any business with JWs so you can't understand the agony they're passing through!
They know that there is no other group where they can get nice and kind people like JWs so they want to keep their relationship with JWs while they don't want to keep the rules binding us together as one family.
You yourself said there's nothing special about JWs so ask your friends why they're so much disturbed about this people!

tctrills:
First I never said the bible is not complete and I don't know where you got that from. The Bible is a collection of 66 complete books. But it does not contain all God has ever spoken to man. It does not contain all the word of God.
Now you claim so documents are not ispired, buthe so far you have basically stating a personal opinion. It's not a scriptural opinion.

Soothe yourself!

sonmvayina:
Why are you finding it hard to pick one?

I choose to be by myself and keep the laws and commandments of the true creator of heaven and earth. Which do you choose? You want to be in a peaceful group that follows an idol(jesus) OR be by yourself and keep the laws and commandments of the true creator of the universe..One of which is prohibition of referencing the image or likeness of anything in heaven , on earth or anything under the water below the earth. ..

Go and keep the laws of your own god while i keep the laws of my own God after all if you're alone with your god there's no reason worrying about me or what i choose to do with my own God.
Try to be consistent with your thinking, you're alone with your god so you don't need to have any business with me if you think GROUPING is not necessary!

tctrills:
So your point is that 400 years after Christ the Catholic Church filtered out the uninspired word, paraphrased so inspired words and gave us the bible right?
And you insist they are your antichrist

The Catholic Church belong to Satan but that doesn't mean God's faithful servants within that religion are doomed since there wasn't any other option so there are faithful people worshiping with that religion for centuries until Archangel Michael (Jesus Christ) said in 1914:

“Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues" Revelations 18:4

So today anyone who wants to worship the true God in the restored spiritual temple must come and worship with Jehovah's Witnesses, whoever remains in that religion or Jewish religion thinking God will not destroy them simply because faithful ones among them were assigned to work for God in the past.
Such a person dey Ọ̀YỌ́ meaning On Your Own!

tctrills:
The bible is very complete, 66 books. I never said it was not complete. Each book in the bible is a complete book. Romans is complete, Luke is complete, Job is complete.
I only said the bible is not the only inspired record and even the bible testifies to other records.

If this is how you put your words from the onset i won't object!
Know today that any documents not included either by quote or paraphrased in the Bible IS NOT INSPIRED OF GOD so we don't need it!

tctrills:
A few things here, you claim the Catholic Church is of the devil yet Jesu's used the Pope to compile the bible.

This is why we study the entire Bible with meditation not just read one side and forget the other.
God used the nation of Israel but 70% of the nation are always against pure worship. Isaiah 1:4
How come we believe in the Hebrew scriptures written by people from the same race?
Well it's because there were few faithful ones living and worshiping whole souled in the midst of that faithless nation! Luke 11:29
So when pure worship went into slavery just as the Jews were taken to Babylon God didn't forget the faithful ones in their midst!

tctrills:
You also claimed these books are uninspired yet they were some how paraphrased into the bible. Hmmmmm

Now you're misquoting me!
I said "any verse not found in the 66 books IS NOT INSPIRED"
So the verses found in the scriptures could be found in any other book like the Quran but that doesn't mean the entire Qur'an is inspired of God!

AntiChristian:
I'm not your son nor your JW brothers. When your Christian neighbors do same here you supported them. Seems Jehovah witnesses aren't spared from the hypocrisy spread over the Christiandom. Are you rational to be called an elder? An elder do not put mouth in wetin no concern am! Moreover, you have nothing to contribute to this thread why not keep off?
But no! You must comment and derail the thread. I remember you said witnesses in a law court can give account differently. So why can't you even for once comment on this two witnesses Luke and Matthew?
No comment! You're Short of words! Call that your neighbor again here?
You are not in a position to tell me what to post or otherwise.

If you're not ready to respect other people's religion and take advice from me then you also don't have the right to stop anyone from commenting on your thread, this is a public forum where everyone can comment whether you like it or not!

tctrills:
So let briefly discuss your new paraphrasing theory. So there was nothing called bible until about 400 years after Christ.
That was when the Lord decided to use the Pope and the Catholic Church to compile the bible right.
Now your point is that they paraphrased all other books so as to keep only 66?
Again you believe God commanded then to destroy these records and keep only 66?
When were these books paraphrased? Who paraphrased them? Was there any record of this or is it a friction of your imagination?

The Catholic Church is the AntiChrist that existed after the death of the first pioneers of Christianity so Idolatry crept into Christianity with that religion. But noteworthy is Jesus' parable of the sower who planted fine seeds and his enemy who later came to oversow weeds in the same field.

After the death of all the pioneers of Christianity pure worship went into spiritual slavery under the Catholic Church but there were faithful men during those dark ages, remember Jesus said to his faithful disciples "look i'm with you all the days until the conclusion of this system of things" {Matthew 28:20b} so Jesus keep monitoring the messages even though Satan is working hard to bring in confusion the faithful ones in that spiritual bondage were also there with the Catholic Church seeing to the compilation of God's word. That's how Jesus used God's Holy Spirit to preserve all the inspired writings.
The majority who were Satan's agents did all within their power to include their distorted view during the compilation but since Jesus knew that he is still coming to right the wrong he allowed them {Matthew 13:25-30} until the year 1914 when Jesus was enthroned in heaven, then he began revealing secrets that's been hidden for centuries so that the real inspired writings got Into the hands of his faithful and discreet slave group know today as the "Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses"
After that Jesus concentrated on his group and began correcting all the errors they made due to their former religious views.
All these you will find difficult to believe but that's the truth and reason why only Jehovah's Witnesses organization is achieving what no other group can achieve today.

So we now have the complete inspired writings as God's Holy Spirit worked with these imperfect men to make the best use of God's word: BIBLE!

tctrills:
We never asked if they are paraphrased or not. We asked your friend if they were inspired.
Now you think these other books are paraphrased that's your personal opinion or better a friction of your own imagination. Because no single verse in the entire bible expresses your paraphrasing theory. So it's clear you are adding your opinion to the bible or better still you just made it up. I have nothing against that though only that we can't just create history from our head. Show me where this your paraphrasing idea was written.
Again I state, it was never stated that the 66 books are a paraphrasing of all other books it is you personal opinion and you have zero evidence.
Its funny you keep adding your opinions and you just quoted Revelations 22:18-19
Also if those other books were paraphrased then who ever paraphrased them is guilty of subtraction from the word of God

Finally if they are uninspired, why then we're they paraphrased into the bible. Why Paraphrase uninspired words?
Please answer these questions if you can

The highlighted shows your real intention so i will also like you to think about the motive behind your cohorts before forming alliance with them using a collective word like "WE ASKED" remember this is about you in person being interested in a topic not a collective effort of people making demands!

Please try to be specific with your opinion, if you believe that the Bible is not complete as Paul's letter urged us to solely rely on it for teaching, reproving, setting matters straight and disciplining in righteousness, then how do you think there can be oneness in thought among true believers as God's word foretold about the future of pure worship? Zephaniah 3:9; John 17:22; Romans 15: 5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

Please meditate on what you're going to say now because angels are taking records of what we are discussing right now {Malachi 3:16} though we may be catching some fun but remember the reputation of the Author of that book (Bible) is involved!

tctrills:
I did not misunderstand him and you don't need to explain on his behalf unless maybe he isn't an adult. He clearly said in his own words that those scriptures are inspired.
But then it was wrong of me to lump you together. Every man is entitled of his opinion even if you both represent the same church.
You said clearly these other books are uninspired and Janosky said they are inspired.

So the bone of contention here is whether they are INSPIRED or UNINSPIRED!

Well let's meditate on Paul's letters to Timothy once again.

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work! 2Timothy 3:16-17

The inspired scriptures are for:
©TEACHING
©REPROVING
©SETTING THINGS STRAIGHT
©DISCIPLINING IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. Verse 16

So that the man of God may be:
FULLY COMPETENT and COMPLETELY EQUIPPED FOR EVERY GOOD WORK! Verse 17

If a writer is inspired it doesn't mean that every time he talks or write something it's all about inspiration. The ones that are inspired will surely correlate with other inspired writings, that's why the other inspired writers do paraphrase or quote them.

For instance Muhammad (from Saudi Arabia) claimed that he was also inspired, he began quoting and paraphrasing inspired writings in the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures but there's no link between him and the other writers.
He's not from the promised nation of Israel, he never lived at the same time with any prophet, his writings contradicts most of the inspired writings and he even condemned most of the earlier writings outrightly and his own writings came much later after the compilation of the 66 books.

So it's only the INSPIRED messages that were compiled for our use, others discarded has but also inspired has been either quoted or paraphrased in order that any other writings must be considered UNINSPIRED so that there won't be contradictions!

tctrills:
Infact me and your brother seemed to agree a lot more then when I discuss with you ..

Then it means you misunderstood him because no JW will ever agree with you that the 66 books upon which our faith is built is not the complete word of our God!

Perhaps you don't know what that means, so let me expatiate.

JWs believe that we are the one and only worshipers of our own God and everything we rely upon is just those 66 books, so if we now agree that there could be some other INSPIRED words of our God outside those 66 books then on what basis are we to claim we know our God fully and that no one else knows our God better than we do?

So it's about intelligence not just assumptions!

tctrills:
I guess Janosky is your member. This is his comments relating to the lost books I showed you.
They were inspired and served a purpose.
Romans 15:4 & 2 Timothy 3:16.[color=#000099][/color]
I really enjoy you. It takes only 2 sentences for you to boast. You remind me of an old friend. Let's not continue our personal wahala here ok.

tctrills:
I have just sent you his very quote. Maybe you all don't agree but it's your problem not mine. Hold a meeting among yourselves and decide on a point

This is where you missed it!

The books quoted by Bible writers has been paraphrased and written by the writers that's why they're quoting it.
For instance God inspired Isaiah and Micah to say exactly the same thing about what will happen to pure worship in the final part of the days:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

If you check this two accounts you will notice that the words are exactly the same yet it's from two different writers. If Isaiah didn't have more information than that Micah will simply quote him as "written in the book of Isaiah" but because both of them still have more information than that prophecy the two accounts were included.
So if any book is quoted in the Bible and not included in the Bible it simply means the information thereof has been inculcated in the message and so it's no more needed as additional verses!

So my friend, the Bible is totally complete as the word of God NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19

tctrills:
My guy is hard to entreat. I would ask some of his members to talk to him

Entreat?
Well we are catching some fun, remember!
So relax, whatever i say is from what i believe and whatever you say is what you believe.
What we shouldn't do is insult or abuse each other just tell me what you believe and i'll tell you what i believe, then we can continue catching fun!

tctrills:
Every word of God is complete. There is nothing like incomplete word of God. I only gave you other books that contain the word of God.. many of them quoted by bible prophets.
If you are following the thread, one of your members already agreed they are inspired words of God. You seem to be the one left behind.

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa he never agreed with you so don't even think so. No JW will agree with you that any book outside the Bible is inspired and benefitial for teaching!

tctrills:
He believes I am trying to hurt him somehow. Please judge how have I been unfair to him.
This is the same man that used racist comments on a thread and when I tried to advise him, he washed me with insults. I did not care. I forgave because I was broght up like that.
Abeg tell him to forgive me if I offended him.

FAITHLESS JEWS killed Jesus while FAITHFUL JEWS recorded the events as we are reading it today. And as for the insults please quote and post it here for everyone to see!
What you don't know is that you're dealing with a trained disciple of the wisest teacher who ever lived!
So tell everyone what is racist in that instead of trying to accuse me after finding no fault with me!

tctrills:
Nna, let's not make this about you or I. We would always settle. Let's allow others make their points ok.
I still repeat I never attempted to hurt you. Fear not. Ok

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, how i wish you know the weight of the highlighted!

Well let me enlighten you!

You can't hurt a true Christian by killing him physically because his soul (character) has been saved in God's memory book {Matthew 10:28 compare to Revelations 20:15} but when you condemned the book upon which his faith is built, then you're out to hurt him both spiritually, emotionally and mentally {Ephesians 6:12,17} just as Satan destroyed Adam and Eve spiritually leading them to sin and eternal damnation! Genesis 3:4-5, 16-19

So you saying the Bible is incomplete word of God is a deadly missile from someone living inside you!

tctrills:
You are quite dishonest. You called me a liar because I disagreed with you. I said you asked a stupid question and you got all sensitive. I even apologize if I hurt your feelings.
And I made special effort to answer your question.
Then you came on my business thread which I was not comfortable with. I did not want to look unprofessional on a business thread.
Where have I wronged you my dear.l

Don't worry my friend, you never wronged me and you can never wrong me because Jesus has taught me how to be smart as serpent and harmless as a dove! Matthew 10:16
Your business is intact my friend, note how i treated you with dignity as if you're not the same person here on the religious section.
That's how Jesus trained us to deal with people of all kinds so nothing bad will befall your business, but next time when you come in contact with Jehovah's Witnesses learn to humble yourself, we are not here to hurt anyone but to preach and teach as marketers of the Good News of the Kingdom of our God!

tctrills:
Baba you left the thread why this na. You still want to influence others haba

Ọmọ, next time you come in contact with a JW try to meditate thoroughly before saying anything.
WHY?
Because there's no weapon formed against our faith that can have any success, any tongue that rises against us we will silence, that is our HERITAGE and as for our righteousness don't bother it's from our own God JEHOVAH! Isaiah 54:17

Learn from the way i outsmarted you knowing fully well that you came to support the critics and form alliance with them against God's people. But i pretended as if i don't know your mission until i pushed you to a corner where you lost it and condemned God's word instead of condemning God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses)

So according to you now all what your friends have been saying against Jehovah's Witnesses is meaningless because even God's word upon which everyone on this thread wants to build their arguments is NOT COMPLETE!

That's what smartness means and what it means to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Janosky:
They were inspired and served a purpose.
Romans 15:4 & 2 Timothy 3:16.
The bolded were the basis for both questions.
Here:
Are you aware Paul quotes from parts of the Bible in the old testament?
Did Paul believe those parts he quoted were not inspired in the old and new testament?

Tctrills came to this thread for a mission:

To attack the man (Maximus) who proved to him that there is just one group practicing pure worship but he carefully chose his words and i smartly played along with him.
I calmly treated him with mildness until he lost it and began using abusive speeches!
I still made him feel relaxed until he couldn't find any fault with Jehovah's Witnesses but ended up faulting God's word!

According to Tctrills, the confusion in religion today is God's fault as He failed to monitor His inspired writings some of it we're not compiled along with the Bible therefore if anyone comes up with any form of teaching contrary to what is written in the Bible such teaching is UNQUESTIONABLE unlike what Paul said {Galatians 1:8} because the Bible itself is not the complete word of God!
So i left the thread for him with his friends!

PeaceJoyLove:
You get harsh mouth
Chai! No wonder MaxInDHouse confessed to the torment. Lol. I told him then that he will leave JW and become terror later. He said no no no. But he didnt realise it was a deep revelation. You would not have believed then that you are going to Estate tormenting them around like this. Lol..

I love the highlighted!

So do you think a sane intellectual will devote all his time just to start arguing fruitlessly with his former cohorts?

Well i was once an agent of the intelligence, we work as spies fishing out where the enemies are hiding just like Apostle Paul was doing for his superiors as a Pharisee.
Each seconds count to us that's why we don't waste our precious time directing our blows to tin air {1Corinthians 9:26} so how on earth do you think i'll leave a body and my attention will still be stolen by the same body to which i have said "Goodbye" ?

Well you're a woman so your level of reasoning can't be higher than that.
Have you ever seen me argue over Islam or disturbing Muslims over their faith?
Well that's the religion i left before i found the truth, so don't expect an intelligent person like me to devote my time to the things i've left behind.
My IQ pass that level!

PeaceJoyLove:
@achorladey
If I am correct, you used to be a Jehovah Witness, and you have left them. Right? If I am not accurate, kindly pardon me. But if I am, what actually happened? And how was their reaction when you made your decision known to them?

I'm not your kind where you play games with your salvation exhibiting "enemy of my enemy is my friend" stuff, you only need to apologize to Eviana, that's all!

But it seems you love to sit with mockers so i think you're good to go as a brethren of those who don't have anyone to bow to. Psalms 1:1
As for your friend, now that you know he was with us and no longer with us God's word has this to say about persons like him:

"They went out from us, but they were not of our sort; for if they had been of our sort, they would have remained with us. But they went out so that it might be shown that not all are of our sort" 1John 2:19

Faithless ones did the same during the time our Master, Lord and King (Christ Jesus) walked the earth:

Because of this, many of his disciples went off to the things behind and would no longer walk with him. John 6:66

So Jesus said about them:

“No man who has put his hand to a plow and looks at the things behind is well-suited for the Kingdom of God" Luke 9:62

That's why the first century Governing Body said:

"Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them" Romans 16:17

Compare to:

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 10-11

We don't believe in human reasonings but the word of God, so it's only when he comes back and accepted to the fold that he can become my brother again, as long as he's no longer with us God's word says he is "not of our sort" 1John 2:19

If you like go and tender an APOLOGY to Eviana if you like continue deceiving yourself i have done the needful by presenting my point using the scriptures throughout, your blood is no longer on my head! Ezekiel 3:17-19

May you have PEACE!

PeaceJoyLove:
This statement made me realise you missed some details... of course, I deliberately didnt put the links here. What prompted the statements .....hmmm. it happened in some other threads. But if I should start explaining, I will have to go into the issues. So, please, again.... allow it like that. I just think...I should let you know cos I know you want me do the right thing. The only issue is that I dont like how you and your friend wants to put JW issues in it. Not related at all to God, trinity, and JW issues.

If I am going to apologize, I dont mind apologizing to you. And even you later realise what really happened, please no need to advise either of us on it again. We both understand the statements very well. As for me, I have no wahala with her or anyone. The point is that.... it is either her way, or my way the statements will follow. The statements will choose a path based on the truth. So, its 50 - 50 to the public, but the two of us involved know who the statements will attack 100%. So, Either of us knows who said the truth about the 6 claims. So, whoever btw us told the lies definitely may know what to do to avert them and remain silent, or knowingly will carry the loads like that.
But kindly leave it as it is...you do not knkw the details.

Please the other guy is not one of my brothers in the faith, that's why he's running up and down trailing me on every thread i go. He's calling for my attention {Luke 16:24} after he has been disfellowshiped and God's word have warned us not to talk or greet such persons! Romans 16:17

The only difference between JWs and all other religions is the regard we have for Jesus (the word of God)
As imperfect humans we do get upset too but whenever anyone raise the alarm quoting what our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus say regarding what happened, at the hearing of the name Jesus we must bow!
No matter what we think about the person, as long as the person rightly quoted Jesus' order regarding worth we are doing, we must bow!

So i'm not worried about you because you're not one of my brothers and sisters in the faith. When such happens and the person stubbornly ignore or reject the orders of our King then such a person is not worth been called a brother any more. That's why such ones are disfellowshiped from our midst and shunned until he/she retrace his/her steps and do the needful.

Please do whatever you choose with your fellow believer, i'm not your brethren!