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FxMasterz:
My friend, you said there's nothing like starting a relationship with Jesus.

YES!
We are to worship the Almighty God just as Jesus taught his disciples {Mark 12:30} but as sinners the connection isn't there {Romans 3:23} that's why God is connecting us through Jesus His only begotten Son.
Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. ‭Romans 5:11 NIV‬


So there is nothing like having a relationship with Jesus rather it's God we must have a relationship with through what His son taught us.

To illustrate imagine someone who wants a position in Tinubu government but doesn't have any connection with him such a person needs to learn about Tinubu's likes and dislikes through what his son will tell you so that by the time you put all of this into action Tinubu will see how useful you are to him.
So it's not the son that's going to give you the position you wanted but it's him that can teach you how to please his father.
That's exactly what the Bible teaches!

FxMasterz:
I'll address the bolded. Don't be deceived by the JW falsehoods please. Iare these verses of Scripture in your Bible?
1 John 1:3
"What we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.
John 14:3
Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
You can't relate with God without relating with Jesus.

Carefully read my comment again i never said anyone can relate with the father without the son.

MaxInDHouse:
Nothing like starting a relationship with Jesus he didn't send himself it's God we can start a relationship with but the first step is to believe what God's Son teaches {Matthew 17:5} that's why many believe in Jesus but they can't start a relationship with God {Luke 18:18-23} as they finds it really difficult to act on what Jesus taught! John 6:66

Rather you are the one who excluded the father as if He shouldn't be in the picture:

FxMasterz:
Believing in Jesus is the first step in starting a relationship with Jesus. Afterwards, you move to the second stage which is obedience. Only those who believe in Jesus can move on to the next stage of obeying Jesus.

In the above post you made no mention of the father whereas Jesus clearly stated that it's his father that connects him to rightly disposed persons:

No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, and I will resurrect him on the last day. John 6:44

So no one can have a relationship with Jesus without the father it's God who draws us to His son.

paxonel:
What exactly is the assignment?

Read what Jesus said about himself how God chose him and the assignment!🙂
Luke 4:18 compare to Isaiah 61:1

FxMasterz:
Believing in Jesus is the first step in starting a relationship with God. Afterwards, you move to the second stage which is obedience. Only those who believe in Jesus can move on to the next stage of obeying Jesus.

Nothing like starting a relationship with Jesus he didn't send himself it's God we can start a relationship with but the first step is to believe what God's Son teaches {Matthew 17:5} that's why many believe in Jesus but they can't start a relationship with God {Luke 18:18-23} as they finds it really difficult to act on what Jesus taught! John 6:66

paxonel:
Agreement.
Oya answer the question?

It's simple there is nothing like assuming Jesus clearly stated that God chose him for the assignment it's like saying God brought Israelites out of Egypt through Moses whom God Almighty made like a God before Pharaoh {Exodus 7:1} it doesn't mean Moses is no more God's servant nah!🤔

FxMasterz:
Believing Jesus performed a miracle is different from believing in Jesus.
You can believe Jesus performed a miracle without following Jesus. But you cannot believe in Jesus without following Him.

The man believes but his not convinced enough to do the works Jesus assigned to those who believe in him. James 2:19

For instance the man who walked up to Jesus and humbly knelt down before him {Mark 10:17} surely believe in Jesus but is he ready to do what Jesus told him to do? Mark 10:21-22

So believing in Jesus differs from obeying Jesus! Matthew 7:21-23

FxMasterz:
A Muslim does not understand salvation. So, he couldn't have beoueved Jesus saved his wife. Perhaps, you wanted to say he believed Jesus cured his wife Whether he believed or not, no one can tell.

This is what you typed:

FxMasterz:
a Muslim who admitted that indeed Jesus cured his wife of insanity but yet never believed in Jesus. He only said his wife and children are free to follow us to church if they want.

So the question is:

Do you think he doesn't BELIEVE Jesus cured his wife?

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:10

If he doesn't BELIEVE why do you think he freed his wife and children to follow you to church?🤔

paxonel:
You people are funny o!
OK, let's even assume that the Father is different from the son. How is that relevant to everlasting life through Christ?

Assumption or Agreement?🤔

FxMasterz:
He didn't say Jesus saved his wife. It was healing actually. The wife had mental issues. He admitted what he saw but probably still had doubts. Otherwise, he'll follow Jesus.

This is what i couldn't understand:

FxMasterz:
a Muslim who admitted that indeed Jesus cured his wife of insanity but yet never believed in Jesus. He only said his wife and children are free to follow us to church if they want.

Note this excerpt:

He only said his wife and children are free to follow us to church if they want.

His action afterwards is evidence that he BELIEVES Jesus saved his wife otherwise he wouldn't have agreed for his children and wife to attend church!😟

FxMasterz:
When a Muslim tells you he can't follow you to Church, it means he cannot serve Jesus. His statement was well understood. He even added that he cannot leave Islam as he came from a generation of strong Muslims.

My point is if he admits that Jesus saved his wife.
So did he BELIEVE that Jesus saved his wife?

FxMasterz:
Muslim who admitted that indeed Jesus cured his wife of insanity but yet never believed in Jesus. He only said his wife and children are free to follow us to church if they want.

Are you saying anyone who doesn't follow others to the church doesn't believe in Jesus?
Because if someone agreed that Jesus cured his wife it means such a person believes in Jesus just as demons believe in God but will never do any works that goes along with their beliefs!😟

paxonel:
You see, that's why I'm saying that you Jehovah witnesses are not Christians.

This is hilarious!
You don't even know what Christianity is but it's well because you are entitled to your own personal opinion after all you and your fellow worshipers are still dragging whether there is Hellfire or not and to you that's better than welcoming what is different that's yielding positive results! Matthew 7:16-18🙂

QuinQ:
You truly shut me up. I've never seen such a convoluted, nonsensical post!😅

One man's meat is another man's poison there are many who regarded my posts and wish i'm always chatting with them.

DoctorAyukebot:
You know your scriptures

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

IykeSent:
This is a deep and insightful explanation of Hebrews 1:5, showing how Jesus is uniquely God's Son not just another angel. I especially liked the connection to the temple and the idea of spiritual sonship through being “born again.God bless you for this

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

Tayorshd87:
Awesome input 💯
That's true logically

Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same Christian doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment

Kingsempires:
wow I love this your statement 🙂🙏

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

Treborblue:
Wow insightful thanks very much

shinaola21:
Perfectly said bro 💯

JimRohn:
Do you really consider DeepSight to be on the same intellectual level as MaxInDHouse or some of the other individuals I engage with here?

Because frankly, MaxInDHouse is among the most intelligent contributors on Nairaland. In contrast, DeepSight does not even qualify for consideration when I rate people based on intellect.

That is precisely why I refuse to bring myself down to his level — instead, I choose to engage with those whose reasoning and arguments are worth my time.

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

RavinWolf:
I never saw a better response. Thank you. 100% correct!

Roycemadeit:
Yes, you have silenced me, with facts, of course. You can define knowingness; now try defining belief and faith, and show me how they connect to reality...

That's your own PERSONAL opinion and you have a right to it!🙂

DeliveranceFire:
Did you learn anything new from reading the Books he asked you to read?

There is nothing Churchgoers can teach no matter how many books they write as long as they try to delve into scripture they will turn everything upside down.

QuinQ:
Wow!
That's all I have to say

Same here!

trendingnigeria:
That's big question

Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Jesus never placed anyone on a payroll among his disciples but told them:
"Freely you receive freely give" Matthew 10:8
So the man is looking forward to getting money from gullible payers out of which he will pay those religious title staffs!🙂

zuto4u:
My brother, may God open your mind and manifest Himself to you so that you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. This I pray in Jesus name amen 🙏

Continue deceiving yourself!🙂

QuinQ:
There were no "others" for Adam and Eve to want to be gods over. THEY WERE BY THEMSELVES!

If you don't want this it's OK i didn't force you to quote me so try not to be abusive simply because i responded to you.🙂
Did they believe the earth will be filled with humans? Genesis 1:28
Well that's what Eve thought will make them Gods over the coming generation of humans after all they will become many through reproduction and make the earth there domain where all dwellers will worship them.
That's what Satan meant when he said:

"God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.” Genesis 3:5

Knowing good and bad means setting up standards for others who will be born after them.

Now this is really really unscriptural and no disciple of Christ believe it!

zuto4u:
If Christ is the visible likeness of the invisible God according to the verse you quoted, it simply means that Christ is God who made Himself a visible being just to fulfil His mission of dying on the cross for the redemption of mankind.
May God open your mind brother

paxonel:
your answer to the question is vague.
This is a problem about religion in general.
Simple question : What exactly did God empower him to do?
You are beating about the Bush
Or, are you afraid to say it?
That he was empowered to bring everlasting life to the world? John 3:16
Until you Jehovah witnesses come in terms with this fact, you are not yet Christians

Who gave Jesus life?🙂

That's what people think about God after reading the Bible but a thorough study shows it's not so.
According to the Bible God had a sound prospect for humans and of course He knew what mankind is capable of doing with the way He created us because we are capable of creating things ourselves but there is limitation to what we can do as we can't create a single thing out of nothing so whatever we can do must be from the available resources found on planet earth. Surely God knows mankind will get to the stage of electricity, telecommunication, automobile and others but when it comes to how each person thinks that is left to what each person chooses that's where freewill comes in.
Our problem began when Adam and Eve were introduced to politics which means they want to be Gods over others setting standards and dictating what type of life others should be restricted to that is what politics brought and that is why we are gradually moving towards self extinction because man can't rule man without prejudice it will always end up with oppressing others! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9
So when God told Adam and Eve not to eat from the forbidden fruit which you keep referring to as apple it's an parable which means humans are free to do whatever they want but one thing they must not do which is setting standards for their fellow man {Genesis 2:17} once that happens majority will start thinking of how to join the ruling class and that will lead to a big trouble as the resources God gave us will be channeled to production of destructive devices which they will be using to intimidate and oppress others.
Look around you today and ask yourself how much human rulers are spending on accumulating weapons in contrast to what they are setting aside for agriculture to feed their people.
Then you will understand what i'm saying.
In a nutshell God gave us freewill but we have misused it to our own detriment!

QuinQ:
God is all-knowing, and not bound by time as we are. He knows our decisions before we make them. He knows the future and the past and can see your end before you were even born.
The Bible presents God's will as a sovereign plan that unfolds according to His timing, not ours. Our job is to actively participate by aligning our lives with His will instead moving mountains to try to thwart it!

QuinQ:
Do you really think God will leave unfolflding of his plan to the whims of human freewill? Don't you feel somehow that your life was meant to go a a certain way?? That all these things were pre-ordained?

NO!
Rebellion against God's arrangement led us where we are today this is not what want for us that's why He promised to destroy those who are not doing His will! 1John 2:15-17 compare to Matthew 7:21-23

QuinQ:
Ok, who gave Adam his type of brain and all the supporting circumstances and experiences that led to the choice. Which of those did Adam give himself?

All normal human have the same type of brain there is no difference once you are warned not to do something whatever makes you go against it is your fault not the fault of anyone else!

zuto4u:
I want to ask u a very simple question and I need an honest answer devoid of sentiments. Considering when Jesus Christ was born, between Him and Abraham who is older?

Abraham existed through reproductive system God implanted in Adam while Jesus existed as a spirit person in heaven before God transformed him to an embryo in the womb of Mary.
So talking of experience Jesus is older than Abraham because he is the first born of all creations! Colossians 1:15

QuinQ:
It was also God that gave Adam his type of brain and ALL the supporting experiences and circumstances that led to that choice.

This is a lie!
The only difference between Adam and others is a perfect human body apart from that we all have freewill to choose whether the right or wrong thing.

paxonel:
So, what exactly did God empower hm to do?

According to Jesus himself:

"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative" John 5:30

So everything he does Jesus believes his father empowers him even the tiniest that people may undermine. Matthew 4:4

QuinQ:
You can let it be anybody that told you. The important thing is that your partner (taster😆) entered and did not die, but instead come out smiling.

Sorry in this case it was Adam God spoke to directly and he passed the info to Eve so he knew they are in big trouble!

QuinQ:
You misunderstand the freewill questions.
Here are the questions again below. Honestly answer them to the best of your ability, not just being argumentative to be argumentative.

You are the argumentative one here.
God punished Adam and Eve which can't be justified if there is no freewill.

QuinQ:
1) Man has choice, right? But this choice is based on something, right? Question: does man control what that choice is based on?
2) Does man in any way control inner workings of his brain which is where thought and therefore choice originates?
3) Did man give himself the type of brain he has that helps determine his choice?
4) Did man choose his circumstances and experiences that help determine his choice?
5) Did man give himself the type of personality he has that help determine his choice
6) Finally the religious one: How can things be foretold to happen thousands of years ahead of time as if they already happened - and they happen exactly as foretold! Can u please tell us how this and freewill can both be true.

All these gymnastics doesn't change the fact that once you've been warned there is a no reason to do what you have been told not to do!🙂

zuto4u:
Secondly, can Seyi claim to be the beginning and the end when there is Tinubu?

Jesus never claimed so that's God's own words misconstrued by translators as it occurred many times during the translation of the Bible!

The same applies to God and Jesus since one always begs the other for help {Hebrews 5:7} refer to Him as his father (superior) and tell people that this is the same God he worships with them. John 20:17

According to Jesus he told his listeners to pray to his father when they privately need something {Matthew 6:6} which he himself always do {Matthew 14:23} but when it's about something involving the group Jesus said that involves him! Matthew 18:20

Why? Because that's the assignment he got from his father which involves all the worshipers of God including him! Matthew 28:20

So God differs from Jesus!

zuto4u:
Can Seyi claim to be in Tinubu and Tinubu in Seyi?

And besides, this is not a perfect comparison because when you say if u have seen Seyi don't look for Tinubu it simply means that it has been established that they are two separate individuals and can never be seen as one being. The person looking for Tinubu might simply tell Seyi, "you are not the one I am here for, go inside and call your father for me.

lawani:
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Why polyandry isn't common in nature is simply because the paternity of the woman's kids will be ambiguous. In polygamy, the kid of any woman living with a man belongs to him.

Men engaging in polyandry don't believe in child bearing as their personal gain to them everyone in the family should be shown love!

QuinQ:
You quoted ten Bible verses and still didn't answer the questions: What was Adam's freewill.based on? And would you enter the room described?

Freewill can't be based on anything since the individual is FREE to choose there is consequences which the person may damn or consider.
As for your question who told you not to enter in the first place?🙂

When someone says:
"if you have seen Seyi don't look for Tinubu because if you have seen Seyi you have seen Tinubu"
Does that mean the two individuals are the same person?🙂

zuto4u:
Jesus Christ is the same God that raised Himself up from the dead. Read John 14 Vs 7-9, and u will understand why I said Jesus Christ is the same God that raised Himself from the dead.

[7] Now that you have known me," he said to them,
"you will know my Father also, and from now on
you do know him and you have seen him."
[8] Philip said to him,"Lord, show us the Father,
that is all we need."
[9] Jesus answered,"For a long time I have been
with you all; yet you do not know me, Philip?
Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. Why,
then, do you say,'Show us the Father'?

"The same God our fathers had raised Jesus up from death". From this passage, u will notice they were talking about their forefathers who were long dead and gone. But the question is who were their fathers? They were Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Now, I can tell you that Jesus Christ is still the same God of their fathers. To understand this, read John 8:57-58

[57] They said to him, “You are not even fifty years old — and you have seen Abraham?”
[58] “I am telling you the truth,” Jesus replied. “Before Abraham was born, ‘I Am’.”

May God open your mind brother