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You keep on amusing me with your impatience.
Well nobody can stop SLAVERY until the Kingdom of God comes so stop deceiving yourself the slave masters only restructured to confuse people like you!🙂

Roycemadeit:
[b]Slavery didn’t end because God suddenly condemned it; it ended because people finally opened their eyes, questioned the cruelty they had normalised for centuries, revolted against it, and refused to keep playing along with a system that treated humans like property.

You still haven't known why those people deserve to be EXTERMINATED and yet you are so quick to conclude!🙂

Roycemadeit:
Very Good

You failed the test. You aren't human.
When it was an analogy of man pillaging and murdering to the happiness of his tribe, you were quick to say a good fellow would not partake in enjoying the spoils, but as soon as it was God in the mix, then it's good that they are exterminated.
Well, some people are killing and pillaging according to their God's commandments... Hope you don't condemn them either

Surely my guy you don't know the real meaning of SLAVERY!🙂

So you think slavery has ended because the traders restructured the setting.

Well if you must know slavery has been rebranded from the old style and today it has been modernized therefore what you think has ended still continues but in a new form!🙂

Roycemadeit:
You see how you shifted accountability to conclude slavery would never stop, just so you could state that man's effort to make life better is futile...
Slavery was justified by Christian enslavers and when the slaves began revolting and not adhering to "slaves obey your masters" slavery stopped.
They didn't wait for God's Kingdom to come, it was a response to a reality... Instead of dealing with situations around you to make it better, you rather do nothing but wait until God's Kingdom come...

Roycemadeit:
😂
Exactly my point... They did nothing and you can't tell me what they did either... And yet you justify their extermination...
You see how religion is messed up?

You are really funny!🙂
Instead of asking the question you just concluded without investigating.
Well they worth being exterminated off the surface of planet earth!🙂

OK!
Seun complete the remaining!🙂

Slavery will continue until God's Kingdom comes it started after the rebellion in the garden of Eden so only God's Kingdom can end slavery!🙂

Roycemadeit:
God, through Christ and the apostles, instructed slaves to obey their earthly masters, even when harsh (Ephesians 6:5–8; Colossians 3:22–24; 1 Peter 2:18). Christ did not condemn slavery;
Today, our sense of justice and freedom exists independently of these instructions.

I was attending to some business.

God is a happy person but why not ask of their offense before God asked the Israelites to exterminate this people?🙂

Roycemadeit:
Very Good, Let's run a litmus test
God commanded the Israelites to kill every man, woman, and child in Bashan under King Og. You had never touched them, never provoked them, and still you were slaughtered and your land taken (Deuteronomy 3:1–6). Was God a sadist?

Roycemadeit:
I do not know if I can keep engaging this. People brought religion to us and did things their own scriptures approved, even slaves had bibles

The people who came to enslave others are not believers in Christ so you got it wrong again Sir! 🙂

Roycemadeit:
A man whose purpose is to bring happiness to those around him goes to others, murders and pillages their land. Then, brings the spoils home, and his community is happy and joyous. Meanwhile, the people he took from suffer in pain and tears. Is this not the purpose you just defined?
Is he not a sadist?

Again you got it wrong Sir!🙂
There is no difference between those in your village and people around the world they are all humans so to be really happy you can't inflict pain on people who has done you no wrong only to take the spoils to yet other humans.
Right thinking ones among those you are taking the spoils to will refuse to take it from you when they discover you are hurting others just to please them!🙂

You got it all wrong Sir!
Those whose life has a purpose are really happy and so they derive joy in making others around them happy or let's just say they love putting smiles on people's face.
It's sadists whose life is purposeless to them that feels like inflicting pain on others!🙂

Roycemadeit:
Same reason why another finds purpose in Allah, and turns terrorists.
I have given my life a purpose, if I didn't define what life is to me, I would have quit living. I wrote that culture gives life a purpose, let me extend it by adding that it gives deities like God or Allah a purpose too
As a Christian, your purpose is to worship God. Then those who aren't Christians have no purpose or perhaps have a wrong purpose...

Tayorshd87:
Hmmm sharp 👍😎
It's well my brother

So you now agree that the soil wasn't a living thing until God breathe into it shey?
All you people need is HUMILITY!🤔

Roycemadeit:
Life has no purpose except the one you give to it. I used culture to define it, as it is defined as a way of life.

Are you saying that those who didn't know about God, don't have a concept of wrong and right?

The highlighted is what makes many to become sadistic and when others are rejoicing you will be complaining as if everyone should join you to become sadists.
Well that's the good thing about life we all can't reason the same way if you feel like your life is purposeless with God try to make a purpose for yourself without God nah!🙂

Now you've stopped asking questions but telling me what you concluded due to events.
First of all God shouldn't reveal all these things to us but out of kindness He has done what even you won't do.
Adam and Eve chose to be on Satan's side and billions upon billions of their descendants are following their path so God is doing this for the few among Adam's descendants who have proved to be different despite all the troubles caused by the three rebels even though they don't know how or what led to all these but they still try as much as possible to live by their conscience! Romans 2:14-15
So why do people like me believe that the Bible God is the one and only true God?
After narrating how everything started and what led mankind to this condition He made a promise and today He is fulfilling it globally just as it's written in the Bible.
Where most people like got everything all wrong is when you failed to investigate matters expecting things to fall in place like Job in the Bible then instead of humbly seeking guidance like Job your summed everything up and concluded there is no Yahweh {Psalms 10:4} but when the table turns and you find yourself in the same situation you expect everyone around you to dig deep before judging you!

Well if you want to know what God has promised and if fulfilling throughout the earth today i will be here to show you but if you're still keeping grudges against God for the consequences of the evil deeds of Satan, Adam and Eve i wish you luck!🙂

Roycemadeit:
I am not here to soften the truth. If God wanted His message clear, it would not have been buried under centuries of translation, debate, and human tampering. The Bible did not descend from heaven; it was written, edited, and selected by men. A message that must be endlessly reinterpreted cannot condemn anyone for misunderstanding it.

Timothy’s claim that “all Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit” never meant the Bible as we know it. That collection did not exist. Yet today, believers defend contradictions, moral conflicts, and endless reinterpretations as divine truth. Thousands of churches read the same book and preach different doctrines, each selecting different portions from God’s imperfect words that syncs with their ideal of perfection.

Let's shine candlelight: Catholics don't agree with Jehovah Witness, just as Abel Damian is deemed a reprobate by fellow Christians...

Satan, often blamed for evil, is only performing traits God created. If God watches while destruction unfolds, He shows a love even for the devil that many humans never receive. The cosmic battle looks less like justice and more like an experiment, with humans as pawns, God and Satan playing their roles.

Christianity itself spread on violence, conquest, and coercion. Guns, chains, whips, and Bibles brought people to the faith. Brutality, manipulation and indoctrination enforced conversion, yet believers speak of the gospel as THE GOOD NEWS!!!

Everything we know, everything we call divine, was shaped, interpreted, and maintained by human hands, from the divinity of Christ, to the canonisation of the books that made it to the bible and clarification of doctrine. If God remains silent while His words are twisted, authority rests not in heaven but in the mind of the interpreter.

Mr Churchgoer can you please allow the two of us to enjoy our discussion?
I'm not here for your blabbing o!🙂

Ken4Christ:
You are still under the spell of your false teachings. Adam died that very day spiritually. And spiritual death is alienation from the life of God. The Bible didn't say that 1,000 years is a day before God. It said, 'It's like a day. This is a figure of speech. Please, go back to school. When you say that she is fat like pig, does it make the person a pig?

Roycemadeit:
"I am in shock that you know snakes don't eat sand?"

The Bible called it "dust" not "sand" 🙂
Meaning the figurative snake will feed on whatever he sees humans doing here on earth instead of the spiritual food (divine guidance) creatures on earth were all created from dust {Ecclesiastes 3:19-20} so Satan can't get any guidance from the divine anymore rather it's the earthly creatures that will determine his next line of action throughout the rest of his life until God destroy him!🙂

Roycemadeit:
So, God kept Satan out of heaven to come to earth to get all the allowances he might desire?
And it was called the tree of the fruit of knowledge...

If you have met Churchians claiming they are Christians this is not the usual Churchgoer o so instead of jumping to conclusions thinking you have gotten all the answers try to ask questions and wait for response otherwise you will get yourself provoked while thinking you can provoke me with your attitude.
Satan wasn't driven out of heaven from the beginning God separated him from among his loyal spirit sons so Satan was in spiritual darkness meaning there is no further divide information he could get from that very moment.

Roycemadeit:
So, in the creation story, when God made on the first day is actually refering to what he made in 1000 years, so day and night are like 2000 years?
Peter don enter God eyes to know that God doesn't see night only day... The sun shines for a 1000 years apparently

Peter became a born again Christian and it's these anointed Christians that God started revealing sacred secrets of what happened in heaven to which Satan and other rebellious angels have no access to! 1Peter 1:12
So the Born Again Christians knew so much that even ancient servants of God before them never knew.

BORN AGAIN are not misinformed Churchgoers o!
So take a deep breath before asking the questions, your attitude can never ever piss me off like you have done to those misinformed churchgoers.

tctrills:
So Jesus Christ and His church called and set apart men from among the church as missionaries
Just like Paul and Barnabas in the book of Acts so again, are all churches doing this eating the fruit?

Ọmọ it's obvious you are confused now try to go and sleep maybe when next you recover you can get back to me.

@ Matthew 7:15-20 Jesus was talking about PRODUCING the fruit of faith not eating fruits.

So go and take care of yourself it's not easy trying to argue blindly after seeing you have lost the debate!🤔

blueAgent:
That last response was meant for the guy I quoted I just copied the entire quote and link without editing it.

You guys have no shame walahi talahi.

Instead of humbly saying you made a mistake you wanted to prove stubborn expecting me to continue wasting my precious time with you.

Well if you can't keep your own words i don't think you can keep the word of someone you can't see: GOD

tctrills:
Please don't change topic.
You have admitted that any church that is involved in missionary work is actually producing that fruit so let's continue.

The point is they must do things the way Jesus established it if not then i can't believe they are for Jesus!

If all missionaries are for Christ then the Muslims are also producing the fruit nah after all there are Muslim missionaries too.

So to make it real the group must follow the same pattern Jesus and his disciples did in the first century that's what the inhabitants of Antioch noticed! Act 11:26

tctrills:
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Paul's first meeting with Christ was individual so you are wrong.

Paul was a honest hearted and sincere Jewish scholar trained by Gamaliel a Pharisee highly respected for his honesty so Jesus knew Paul wasn't doing all that with wicked intentions that's why Jesus called him directly but still Jesus directed Paul to go and meet his ORGANIZED GROUP! Act 9:3-16🙂

tctrills:
Now, every church has its own missionary method and system. Yours is not better. Some preach in the market, some go from door to door not only JW. Some preach in buses, Some preach online.

This is what Jesus meant by FRUIT.

If anyone decides to do something not the way the founder of Christianity did it in his own time and handed it over to his disciples such a person can't succeed in making real disciples like Jesus did.

So instead of arguing over how to get the work done we BOW to what we read in the Bible regarding the way Jesus established the work!

Can you tell me how many of your pastors are preaching in the buses or market today?
Of course they know it's absurd as they can't get real audience so they will send their followers to go shouting in buses and streets and when those ones bring anyone they start collecting money.

However you have ran away from such system of worship because you know it's business for those people yet you want to argue in support of them.

So can you mention your own church if truly you believe in what they are doing?🙂

Roycemadeit:
I have peace, you don't gotta wish it...
God said they would die after eating it, well they didn't die.

Of course they died the day they ate the fruit as no human ever lived up 1,000 years which is a day in God's own eyes! 2Peter 3:8

Roycemadeit:
If they don't know good and bad, how then can they differentiate between the two?

Evidence you never read through the comments you just picked few words and started making your own comments.
The tree of good and bad means setting standards for others (their yet unborn children/generation) of course they know what is good and bad literally speaking nah!🙂

Roycemadeit:
But, here is the baffling thing, God made a garden, and didn't put a gate to keep the devil out... He instead made a gate to keep Adam and Eve out, lest they eat of the tree of Life...

Satan is a spirit not human so no gate can keep him out of the garden nah!🙂

Roycemadeit:
He punished Adam, Eve and serpent... Funny, how serpents don't eat sand but rats, rodents and the likes...
They they believe fables as reality, look woman get 1 rib...

Do you know that snakes according to their DNA had limbs but till today scientists can't explain why this limbs refused to grow out from their bodies.

I think that is enough to make us think deeply about what the Bible says!🙂

tctrills:
I'm
Your first paragraph is an intelligent point but it is your opinion not gospel teaching.
Jesus Christ appeared individually to Paul not to a community.

This is a LIE!
Jesus directed Paul to go and meet the disciples so they can welcome and teach him what to do by Jesus' ORGANIZED GROUP! Act 9:3-16
So Paul must rely on the Apostles for him to know what to preach and teach that's why he couldn't solve the problem that arose regarding doctrine but was sent along with Barnabas to the Apostles in Jerusalem! Act 15:2

tctrills:
So what are the fruits of Christianity?
To follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
You made a good point , Jesus Christ called sent men to teach the gospel. Today almost every church I know calls and sends out people to preach so that can't be the fruit because it would mean that everyone is following Jesus Christ.

Another lamba!
Mention the church you know that their members and leaders are preaching from house to house and door to door like Jesus and his Apostles did in the first century!

tctrills:
Now to the next point, you are now making the claim that as long as it is a group that claims Jesus Christ taught them, you believe but some how, you don't believe any other group making the same claim.

This is where the FRUIT comes to play! Matthew 7:15-20

First of all if you think Jesus is teaching each individual then there is no reason why you should expect someone who also believe in Jesus and the Bible to ask you for anything after all everyone should ask Jesus waiting for him to teach them individually!

So let's go back to the GROUP setting.

The Apostles are the small GROUP Jesus handed over the teaching of his disciples to {Act 2:42} but how can we know if the GROUP is teaching heresy and not what Jesus taught?

Jesus answered: By their fruits!

What is the fruit expected of Christianity?

God planted a tree which is Jesus himself {John 15:1} so this tree started having branches {John 15:4-5} if any of the branches doesn't rely on the tree it can't bear fruit so it will be cut down spiritually speaking and it will wither. John 15:6

So what is the FRUIT?

Since Jesus is a preacher from house to house and door to door till his execution all his branches (Apostles) also remain preachers from house to house and door to door in turn all his fruits are also preachers from house to house and door to door. This is what the inhabitants of Antioch noticed before they began calling his disciples CHRISTIANS {Act 11:26} it's like seeing mango in the market of course you can't call it any other name than "MANGO" because it's only mango tree that can bear mango! Matthew 7:16-18

Now concerning the so called GROUPS you are talking about.
Are their members know globally for the work of preaching and teaching from house to house and door to door as Jesus commanded all his disciples? Matthew 28:19-20🙂

tctrills:
If Jesus Christ can teach your white overlords, why do you think he can't teach me?

I told you already:
Jesus never taught a single individual for that assignment.
An individual can pray to God secretly for guidance on certain matters that's PERSONAL {Matthew 6:6} but when it comes to deciding on matters involving teaching Jesus' disciples it could only be as a group that is when Jesus will be there in spirit to guide them {Matthew 18:20} that is why Paul and Barnabas were sent to the Apostles (GROUP) in Jerusalem on matters involving doctrine that could be disputable {Act 15:2} so that it's what the GROUP concluded upon that's binding on all the disciples in the first century. Act 15:23-29
Jesus said whatever this GROUP bind on earth will be bound in heaven and whatever the GROUP loosen on earth will be loosened in heaven. Matthew 16:19
So can you now present the group that's teaching you just as you are seeing the way first century disciples of Christ were ORGANIZED and ORDERLY? 1Corinthans 14:40

tctrills:
You started by saying good question but you did not attempt my question. I am not sure I even get your point.
My question is who taught the founders and leaders of your church. Do you understand it now?

Just as the Apostles claimed Jesus taught them and i believe because the setting is well arranged so also the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses also claimed Jesus taught them and so far so good everything is well organized just as it was with the first century Apostles!🙂

Roycemadeit:
I wonder what Satan says... If God permits it, then you could say God is using Satan and by extension that is God behind "these acts."

The words of Satan is recorded in the Bible:

At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die. For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad." Genesis 3:4-5

This is where the investigation begins if you want to understand what has been happening around you.

God told the first human couple never to think of setting up standards for others as in their yet unborn children rather they are to rely on what God set as standard for right and wrong. This is the meaning of the tree of good and evil.

Satan told Eve (the first woman) that God lied regarding their return to non-existent and that if they should decide to live by their own standards they will surely succeed and not only that this couple will become God for all their yet unborn children.

From that very moment till today 99.99% of humans believe in setting their own standards and forcing it on their fellow humans that is what led mankind to start having human governments (rulers) something that's against God.

So if you don't understand something try to ask others around you at least there is no crime in calling out for understanding! Proverbs 2:3 compare to Matthew 7:7

May you have peace!

tctrills:
And what is the name of the organization?
You ask who taught me when everything I have ever discussed with you is in the bible. Don't Jesus Christ and His apostles make the best teachers?
Again you some how feel that I must present a teacher to you but you don't require the same from the white man council that controls your organization.
Have you ever asked them who their teachers are?
The JW council don't seem to have any known teachers and you are comfortable with that so why are you not comfortable when I don't present you a teacher.
Or is it because of skin color?

Good question!
Jesus TAUGHT a GROUP of MEN and told them to teach his ORGANIZED GROUP of his disciples so if i found a GROUP of MEN and see what they are able to achieve {Matthew 7:16-18} with imperfect humans from all the nations throughout the earth {Matthew 28:19-20} surely i will accept such a GROUP as my own teachers too as Jesus never handed over the work of teaching to any single individual so if you claim that Jesus taught you directly to go teaching others then i will take you for a liar.
WHY?
Because that is what led to contradiction in the churches of Christendom as each individual wants to establish his own church claiming Jesus taught him directly!🙂

tctrills:
So let's do one thing at a time before moving on. Do we both agree that the JW is a false organization? We need to build on that before getting to deciding which organizations are not false.
I actually thought you agreed with me on that already. Please confirm.

Going by their FRUIT that's the one and only true Christian organization on earth today.
So let's talk about your true TEACHERS at least the ones who taught you!🙂

tctrills:
You use words you don't even understand. I already told you that we should use the standard of the bible and you agreed.
And using the standard of the bible, I asked you what happens to man after death, but you refused to answer. Or do you have a better standard than the bible? Lets hear

NO!
That's not the point we agreed to resolve with the Bible it's about how to DISTINGUISH BETWEEN TRUE and FALSE TEACHERS.
That's why i quoted Jesus who said it's by their fruits {Matthew 7:15-20} so after condemning an organization claiming they are false teachers i asked you to present the good teachers at least those who taught you the Bible!🙂

blueAgent:
Keep fooling yourself

If it's with a human you made a solid agreement and you failed to keep it that could be excusable but when you can't even keep your own words ọmọ that's evidence you have a big problem!

blueAgent:
This is my last response to you.

This is really really hilarious!

blueAgent:
Keep fooling yourself.
Real believers in words of Men not God.

I was prepared to give you indisputable evidence of true Christianity but since all you want is Islam there is no need wasting my precious time with you!🙂

Meedon:
This got to show that everyone has his or her own God according to their own understanding or upbringing. No wonder MacinDHouse did not believe Yahweh throw sinners into hell even though he believes in Yahweh and his only begotten son Yesusss Kristaaa.
While someone like righteousness89 believe that yahweh will throw sinners into the burning lake of fire at the time of their demise.

tctrills:
Or you want to continue to disagree?

I asked you a question and you chickened out claiming you have agreed nah!

It was how to distinguish between TRUE teachers and FALSE teachers not just setting your own standard and judging without presenting your true teachers nah!