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tctrills:
Or you want to continue to disagree?

I asked you a question and you chickened out claiming you have agreed nah!

It was how to distinguish between TRUE teachers and FALSE teachers not just setting your own standard and judging without presenting your true teachers nah!

tctrills:
At least now we both come to an agreement.

OK if that is what you call "agreement"

blueAgent:
This is my last response to you.

The funny thing is real believers are men of their own words not LIARS!🙂

blueAgent:
I would always call or mention you, anytime you post false teachings or doctrines.

blueAgent:
It's not my personal conviction.
It is clearly written and obvious in the Bibles, for any honest person to see.

So in a nutshell you can IDENTIFY false prophets if i'm to go by what Jesus said false prophets will gather members who can't practice what Jesus and his Apostles taught. But it's OK now that you have concluded JW organization has false teachers can you now present the true teachers and explain what FRUIT they produced?🙂

tctrills:
No
Yes Jesus Christ handed over his ministry to his apostles and we know what the apostles and early disciples of Jesus Christ taught because it is recorded in the bible.
And yes from the verses you mentioned, I have from day one focused on your fruits and I see that they are poison.
How do I know? Because they are contrary to the word of God.
You are the very people we are warned against in Matthew 7:15-20

tctrills:
I know you always complain when I give 2 responses but don't worry it is for the best. I have spent a good number of years discussing with you so can call myself a bit of an expert in knowing the fruits of the JW.
Before meeting you, I deeply respected the organization. I had many close JW friends. I have been to their services severally.
I didn't agree with some of their teachings but I felt that on the average, the JW was a good a just organization that ultimately drew men closer to God.

Then I met you and I discovered it was much deeper and darker than I knew. The JW as an organization will at first present itself as an angel of light but it is very far from that.
The organization actually doesn't believe the word of God.
They only depend on what their leaders say. They will use the bible as a debating tool until it no longer favors them.
They actually teach hate yet they pretend not to hate. How do I know? I have seen how they treat ex member and anyone that disagrees with them. They even have fancy names for those that don't buy into their doctrines.
The entire organization is a shame and a sham.

tctrills:
Good i like where this is going. So we both agree that we should depend on the content of the bible band not guesswork or the opinion of a select white people.
So for example What does the bible teach about life after death?

To avoid contradictions among his followers Jesus handed over the teaching of his group to a group of trusted men so that all his disciples can have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23 compare to 1Corinthans 1:10} and in the first century all his disciples everywhere submitted to the teachings of these few selected men {Act 2:42} this helped them to agree on doctrine as they will always send members to go and ask for what these selected men would say on every matter! Act 15:1-2

So let's focus on what Jesus said about how to distinguish between the true and false teachers ! Matthew 7:15-20

Are you ready?🙂

tctrills:
I use the bible. Now over to you, how do you distinguish?

I use the Bible so how do you use the Bible?

tctrills:
You got it all wrong. I love listening and learning but once I figure out that you are a false teacher, I can't accept your poison.

How do you distinguish between a true and false teacher?

tctrills:
You have said it yourself. So do not be a foolish one that refuses correction.

Correction from someone who doesn't welcome anyone as teacher!

tctrills:
Only a fool is above correction

And are you the wise one who should correct everyone?

This one complicated the whole thing!🤔

Lyricalz01:
Ordinary i won't have replied anymore, but for the sake of those not grounded in faith, who are also reading your comments. I will for the very last time summarise and also simplify most of those questions you have raised. The debate surrounding death, life, hell, grave, eternal life, hell, hellfire etc.


(1) Relationship between death and hell
Hell (in English) original means place underneath the ground where the dead is buried (grave), however, in biblical and spiritual terms, hell is referred to a place underneath the ground also, a place of torment for sinners (temporary place pending the final judgment)
Understand these terms with wisdom.
Read further
Psalm 6:5, 9:17, 30:3;
Numbers 16:30,33
Isa 14 v 9
Prov 15 v 4
Eup 4 v 9
Rev 1 v 18
From these we can see that hell is beneath, grave is also beneath, hell is a place of death, whoever have Christ(life) will not face death (hell), so hell is death.


(2) Before the death of our Lord Jesus Christ, anyone who dies goes to hell(death)
Eup 4 v 9
Luke 16 v 19 -31

The rich man, lazarus and Abraham were all in hell, same place (hell) but different compartment.
Abraham and Lazarus were up, while the rich man was beneath, that was the reason the rich man had to look up on sighting lazurus and also was able to speak to him. They were all in one place but different positions. It was so obvious that the anguish was for only those underneath (the place the rich man was)

3: Why do the righteous had to die and also go to hell

From the beginning, man sinned and the punishment for sin is death (hell),
So no matter how righteous one live, we were all cursed to experience death (hell). The coming of Jesus Christ changed that narrative.
Read further
Gen 3 v 17, 19
Rom 6 v 23

4. Jesus Christ to the rescue.

Before the coming of our lord jesus Christ, whoever dies goes to hell ( death, grave), thats so because man has sinned and the punishment of sin is death (hell). Rom 6 v 23
Now Jesus came, was crusified and died just to take our sins away, so whoever dies no longer have to face death (go to hell) but have evalasting life ( eternal life - life after death of the body.)
When Christ died, Christ himself had to goto hell(death), because he was 100% Man, and same time 100% God.
Ephesians 4 v 9
Yes, he went beneath to take the key of the gate of hell(death), Rev 1 v 18
and that whoever believes in him will not die( go to hell) but have everlasting life( eternal life).
Now, whoever accepts christ and dies no longer go to hell (death) but have life abundantly.
John 11 v 25
John 14 v 6
John 10 v 10
John 5 v 18
John 6 v 27, 33, 51, 58
Phil 1 v 21
1 cor 15 v 22


5: So what does God actually wants from us.
If you say, for man to praise God at all times, to worship him, to live an holy life, you are not far from the truth.
But i will tell you one thing God really want from us.
Man sinned and was cursed ( death/ hell ), but God so love the world, that he had to made a sacrifice for our sake so that the cursed on man can be reversed.
So this is God (the son) saying , believe in me, DON'T DIE, but live( have eternal life) , thats whats so important to God, and that's what he really requires from us.
John 3 v 16.

6. Difference between HELL and LAKE OF FIRE (HELL FIRE)
Hell ( death, grave, or biblical meaning of the place of temporary punishment for sinners, )
After the death and resurrection of Christ, Christians no longer goto hell(death) but paradise. The curse of death has been lifted away by christ.
Rev 1 v 18

Hell fire is a place that will be prepared by God for the devil, his agents and followers, AFTER the final judgment.
Death and hell will be casted into the lake of fire ( hell fire) to be destroyed forever.
Rev 20 v 14-15

blueAgent:
This is my last response to you.

Better, hope you won't call or mention me again.
Farewell!

blueAgent:
Denied who?
My argument on Jesus been the Literal son of God is not based on what Anybody wrote, my convictions is based on the word of God.

This is the problem with Christendom.

If each person has to depend on his or her own personal conviction then why do you claim someone else is wrong?

Judas wasn't Jesus' enemy by nature but due to his love for riches he lost his huge privilege.
He thought Jesus will escape just as he did several times before and he would just keep the money to himself but he was shocked to see that his friend who has escaped many times now surrendered himself.
That's why he committed suicide after remembering what the scriptures say about the one who will betray the Christ.

Moral of the lesson: always keep what you are learning from a trusted teacher because such information will save you when others who don't have the knowledge falls like easy prey to Satan's tactics!

Tayorshd87:
Ok the coming back of Christ and anti Christ etc 🤔
Is that not the end of life ??
According to the Bible it is stated clearly we should be expecting them

When Jesus comes he will destroy those who refuse to live by his decrees {Luke 19:27} but as for those who agree with his decrees they will be allowed to live {Psalms 37:9-11} on this planet forever! Psalms 37:29 compare to Matthew 5:5

blueAgent:
How many times would I explain?

The interpretation is WRONG that is why you can't comprehend even though you wish to use it as a point to support your argument.

Here is the correct interpretation:

who, although he was existing in God’s form, did not even consider the idea of trying to be equal to God. NWT

Who wouldn't understand this?

blueAgent:
What is he supporting?

At least you have denied him now so his comments doesn't add up anymore when you are claiming Jesus wasn't one of God's creation?

Curses for what?🤔
Well if it's due to kidnapping and asking for ransom those people are doing a dirty business so God will be the judge not human.

Whatever anyone believes is not an issue but their deeds because with their God's given conscience they can tell if what they are doing is good or evil. Matthew 7:12
Even though the religion they practice is teaching them to do the wrong thing by the time their conscience starts judging they will know something is wrong with their beliefs.
The Christian God doesn't judge people without reason. In His word He made it clear that there are those who don't have his laws (Unbelievers) but through conscience are a law to themselves {Romans 2:14-15} this means they could be excused or accused by their own conscience.
So even if the person is practicing what is not Christianity unknowingly God will not judge them until they come in contact with the true Christians and see the difference in performance {Matthew 7:16-18} once anyone notices the difference between false and true Christianity but insists on the wrong from that very moment his or her judgement starts. Matthew 10:14-15

Why will their judgement start from the moment they know the difference?

The Bible God is a happy God {1Timothy 1:11} so His worshipers gain only one thing that worshipers of other gods can't have: Happiness!

So once someone who thought he is a Christian comes in contact with the true Christians and discovered they don't want to practice interfaith (mixing with falsehood) many becomes sadistic and the next thing they start looking for is how to hurt true Christians.
That is why God will destroy them since the true Christians too are imperfect humans like everyone else but it's God's holy spirit that's helping them to succeed in doing the will of God so whoever is trying to hurt them is no longer against humans but the spirit of God working among them! Matthew 12:31-32

God bless you and may you have peace!

Truthseeker10:
Ok so Mr Emusan who is not a Jw is also wrong? Please explain Philippians 2:6 where it says "he thought it not robbery to be equal to God"
I'm sure that statement is the reason why Mr Emusan who is not a Jw is thinking that Jesus is equal to God.
Can you kindly explain what the statement mean?

That is how confused they are.

He quoted the verse to make a point but when asked to expatiate further he couldn't!🤔

blueAgent:
Is Mr Emusan greater than Jesus?
Jesus told you he father is greater than him, and you are here quoting a mere mortal. I don't respond to mischievous questions.

But the same Emusan is supporting you to convince JWs regarding what you want to impose on JWs so how come the two of you failed to agree on beliefs?😟

Roycemadeit:
It’s baffling that a perfect God would let His “precious word” be mistranslated for centuries,

God has told us in the Bible these things will happen and there are reasons why He must permit it.
He said Satan (a rebellious angel) is behind this acts but we need to use discernment for us to know how Satan is using his tactics.

Tayorshd87:
Forget what the Bible and d Quran says about life will end 🤔

Stop mixing things simply due to what you heard from false religionists.

The Bible never say life will end o!

Death is equal to oblivion!🙂

Some people are better left unattended to as they are just seeking attention!🙂

tctrills:
You make my point, there is always someone for every doctrine no matter how false it is

Pharisees also called Jesus false nah!

tctrills:
My boy, I only asked for a discussion not to teach him. I am not a marketer like you. We are so different.
The goal is not to derect people to hell through your lies, I don't know why you are excited about directing people to an organization that destroys them spiritually.

This thing really pained you o!🤔
So you are desperately seeking ways to discourage this person but i will stop responding to your blabbing. Proverbs 26:4

Why must he introduce himself?
Do all Bible writers introduce themselves?
Guy the truth is God's word can't make sense to those claiming intellectuals so the understanding is hidden from them but God has revealed it to humble ones who behaves like children. Matthew 11:25
So if you can't subject yourself to any church there is no way you can understand all these instead you will be tossed about due to arrogance locked up in your heart!

DiarisGodoo:
So why not READ the books your own self and be honest with YOURSELF, your own self and nobody else, whether the "voice" in John is same "voice" in Revelation?? Why he was very particular about distinguishing which John he was talking about (because there were lots of Johns), that this was the disciple whom Jesus loved.
Do you see anywhere John of Revelation calls himself "disciple" talkless of "disciple whom Jesus loved"?

DiarisGodoo:
consensus of people

That is where you failed woefully.
These so called people weren't inspired therefore believing what they said over what is WRITTEN in the Bible makes you an UNBELIEVER!

DiarisGodoo:
Learn to believe without being intellectually dishonest.
ARGUING that Apostle John wrote Revelation is being intellectually dishonest. Just believe it but don't argue with anyone about it. Or you'll be making an ass of yourself as you're currently doing!

That's what true faith is all about believe what is written in the Bible not arguing with unbelievers trying to prove it with what they can see.
Faith is the assured expectations of things hoped for evidence demonstration of reality NOT SEEN! Hebrews 11:1
You are faithless so keep your faithlessness to yourself!🙂

Mr Unbeliever, take your own advice!

DiarisGodoo:
My advice to you:
It is not everything you argue. Don't argue certain things because you'll lose, just believe them. Things like why you are right to rest on Sunday rather than Saturday, or why it is the Apostle John that wrote Revelation

According to the Bible how does prayer work?
Most people feel God should answer the prayer just as they want but they won't study God's word to know what He said about prayers and why He doesn't answer as we want.
All of us are sinners so God won't listen to a prayer if what the one praying wants to hurt others!😟

AKONE:
Sinners were free to come to Him.

This is all you need in Jesus Christ.
What people like you don't want to know is that Jesus is humble and kind {Matthew 11:28-30} so he fulfilled the prophecy that says he will not add to the burden a sinner brought to him. Matthew 12:20
When he said he came to call sinners not the righteous {Matthew 9:13} he is talking about people who are already feeling remorseful regarding their past lifestyle! Luke 23:39-43

tctrills:
So yes everyone has what appeals to him, if you meet someone who your message appeals to, the work is done. I am in marketing so I understand that every product has a market. Even bad products can be marketed.

Jesus always say what he sent us out to preach is like a marketing work {Matthew 13:45-46 compare to Revelations 22:17} and it's a few that will find it appealing {2Thessalonians 3:2} so there is no doubt about that.