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Funny Churchian!😂

Instead of presenting your opinion on the subject you specifically mentioned the name of a Christian organization and a member here on Nairaland:

blueAgent:
There are religious groups like Jehovah's Witnesses,

(JW)

JW

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse's

Now the confused Churchian is saying it's not about group!😂

blueAgent:
Keep fooling yourself.
If its by group, then Rotary club, freemasons, Illuminati and many others would make Heaven.

Jesus selected apostles {Luke 6:13} so whoever is not obedient to them is deceiving himself! Act 2:42🙂

blueAgent:
How are you doing the will of the father( GOD)?
When you lie against, the testimony he gave about his son.

It's you that's calling it "lie" rather it's the truth!🙂

It applies to you who can't mention any group under which you are obediently doing what Jesus commanded.

That's what makes you a worker of INIQUITY/LAWLESSNESS.

You should be able to present a group under whose umbrella you are together as obedient disciples serving Christ.

In the absence of that you are just deceiving yourself claiming self righteousness!😂

blueAgent:
Keep fooling yourself.
I hope you ponder on this verses.

Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

blueAgent:
This is pure blasphemy.
Do you even have sense?
How can you expect jesus as a Man not to die, when his purpose of coming to Earth was to experience death for humanity?
My emphasis on Christ Immortality is the pre-incarnate Jesus.
As a man, Jesus was 100% pure human.
But weather as a man or as the Pre- incarnate Jesus he was 100% the literal Son of God.

You can throw insults for all i care.

Immorality means unable to die but in the case of Jesus he died o!🙂

blueAgent:
So JW is the group Jesus formed and handed over his work to? Imagine, workers that deny the Origin of their Boss, what kind of workers are they?

You can't know him more than his real disciples so prove you know him better by presenting your church that's actively preaching and teaching globally! Matthew 28:19-20 compare to Act 1:8

blueAgent:
Keep deceiving yourself.
Why is it not convenient for you to accept other Bible verses that talks about the Diety of Jesus, why accepting only the verse that claims all sons of God?
What are you running from?

"By their fruits" Jesus said!

So present a version that has successfully gathered a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} who are actively preaching and teaching industriously as Jesus commanded his disciples! Matthew 28:19-20

So no matter how many versions as long as they can't meet up with the fine works they are all on the road to destruction! Matthew 7:13-14

blueAgent:
How does that prove that, Jesus is not the literal Son of God?

There is nothing literal in this all sons of God owe their life to God and Jesus isn't different!🙂

Who is talking about charity?😂

Jesus selected few men to form a group and handed the work over to them {Luke 6:13} so if you don't have any organized group with which you are obediently working as a disciple {Act 2:42} Jesus doesn't know you! Matthew 25:34-46

blueAgent:
That same Bible and Jesus told you that obey is better than Sacrifice.

Occultists and witches and even killers,prostitutes kidnappers and ppl who commit all sort of crimes also give charities and do good deeds, but all those things are vanity before God, if they are done without obedience and faith in his word.


Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

blueAgent:
Where did I state that john6:46 and 1Tim6:16 refers to Jesus?
You can see from those verses that only GOD has Immortality, No Angel or Man has Immortality.
Jesus been the Literal offspring and only begotten of GOD has Immortality inherently, having inherited it from his father, GOD.

Jesus didn't inherit it rather he was given after completing the task he came to fulfill on earth.
Immortals means can't die so if Jesus die it means he doesn't inherit it rather God declared it after Jesus conquered.

For your information all born again Christians will become immortal once they finish their earthly mission just as Jesus did that's why they are referred to as SAVED! Revelations 20:5-6

ngmgeek:
In a quiet church in northern Nigeria sits Pastor John Hayab—hands clasped, heart heavy.
He’s buried too many.

As leader of CAN in the north, he’s spoken truth to power: “Every state has suffered its terrible share.”

No marble pulpit. Just plastic chairs, mud walls, and a voice that brought his people’s pain to the world.

When Trump spoke of the crisis in Nov 2025, Pastor Hayab’s quiet witness was already echoing.

A down-to-earth shepherd.
A light in the darkness.

What is the purpose of CAN?

gohf:
above here is an example of one preaching church
above is an example of one preaching Jesus Christ.

Jesus belongs to everyone so there is no religion that will not acknowledge Jesus after knowing the things he did when he walked the earth, some may acknowledge him as God, some as son of God, some as prophet of God and still others as a virtuous person but one thing is common with all these people they will say "if everyone can be like this man (Jesus) life will be worth it"

So Jesus belongs to everyone who thinks positively.

But then Jesus himself formed a group and gave them a work to continue doing until his return. Can you become one of his disciples without actively participating in the work he assigned to his disciples? Surely you can't because you must associate with them, follow the same pattern of how to get the job done, take instructions from those Jesus chose to lead his group, become industrious while doing the work and continue praying to God never to relent as one of Christ's active disciples.

Jesus' disciples must preach the Kingdom of God in all their neighborhood {Matthew 10:11-13} so you must support this work physically, materially, emotionally and mentally {Mark 12:30} that's the evidence that you love people in your neighborhood! Mark 12:31

Jesus prayed for his disciples as a group {John 17:8-9 compare to Luke 22:31-32} so instead of claiming you want to follow Jesus as a person {Luke 22:33} make sure you are with the group {Act 2:1} the success is not in following Jesus personally but as a group {Act 2:14; 4:31; 5:29} because Jesus said it's when they form a group that he will join them as a spirit King! Matthew 18:20

But why can't Jesus be with just one of them? Why only when they are as a group?

Well Jesus has no business with humans it's the Way of holiness {Isaiah 35:8} he came to show us through his teachings {John 14:6} therefore as imperfect humans we can't follow him without being in the company of other believers who will incite us to love and fine works and continue encouraging us to stick to the work Jesus assigned all his disciples. Hebrews 10:24-25

Another reason why we must follow him as a group is found in the Bible book of John 14:26-27 there Jesus promised his disciples the holy spirit so they can be helped to the peace of God as a group and through this peace they will surely form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally {Isaiah 2:2-4} from being fellow believers under the group Jesus selected to lead them {Act 2:42} they will become like brothers and sisters wherever they are! Mark 10:30

So if anyone claims he can follow Jesus without being in the congregation and actively participating in the work Jesus assigned to his disciples such a person is about to become unproductive! Matthew 25:18, 28-30

May you have peace!🙂

martinskelly:
Jesus Christ has all the attributes of an angel but all other Angels don't have the attributes of Jesus.

This is what Jesus came to prove as the last Adam but as for when he was in heaven he lived there as one of the angels!

Janosky:
The Bible truth that JW's post on this forum has helped them to learn what the Bible really teach but they won't admit it . Many of them no know say Angel simply means Messenger (a human being or spirit being sent by our God, Jehovah). Even after reading John 7:16 & John 3:16,they still fail to get the sense of it- Jesus is an angel.

Satan blinded them with the DOGHEAD of TRINITY!😂

FxMasterz:
"We're not talking about a group

That means you don't need to quote me the OP specifically mentioned my name and that of my group knowing fully well that's the only group unitedly working together globally while the rest are divided!🙂

When God gives instructions for safety do churchians accept such guidance?

NO!

Jesus said his disciples are no part of the world's political system {John 17:14-16} so they should continue praying for God's government {Matthew 6:10} but churchians feels cheated so they don't want to be left behind in the goodies Satan is sharing for his own worshipers! Luke 4:5-7


So when Satan's children are fighting and killing themselves {Revelations 6:3-4} whoever drags the goodies with them should be ready to face the music!🤔

blueAgent:
You are more intrested in pleasing Man than GOD.

Jesus said it's obedience to those he chose that heaven will approve whatever we do {Matthew 16:19} his first century disciples also believes this! Hebrews 13:7

So if your activities in sacred service is not pleasing to Jesus' representatives i'm sorry for you! Matthew 25:45🙂

blueAgent:
Yes Jesus was fully human on Earth.
That did not change his status as God's Son.

So in a nutshell the life of Jesus we know here on planet earth depends on God shey?
What else do you wish to know?🙂

FxMasterz:
We're not talking about a group.

Jesus talked about the group that we all need to IDENTIFY for our salvation {John 13:34-35} in the absence of that Jesus will say he doesn't know you because it's through your obedience along with his humble disciples that we can get his approval! Matthew 7:21-23

CaptainFM1:
Thanks.
Orunmila be with you.

Thanks for your time! 1Peter 3:15🙂

gentlegenius:
You were talking about true church, not true faith... These are two different things.
Matt 7:16 says... "By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?"

Well according to Jesus it's only through observing the true church that you can see true faith {John 13:34-35} that's why he mentioned GRAPES and FIGS as in plural or many that were GATHERED so it's not about individual but a GATHERING because faith is the assured expectations of things hoped for the evident demonstration of reality though not seen! Hebrews 11:1
So true faith will help sinners from all the nations to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Mark 10:29-30 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4

That's God's will which Jesus promised his friends that they will achieve if they continue preaching the Kingdom of God in search of friends of peace! Luke 10:6

FxMasterz:
Correct. I choose to call it heaven for now because the even the new Jerusalem comes down from heaven. Once it reaches earth, we'll call it earth.
So, forget about that and consider the core of the message. Who is going to admit you into paradise?

The Prince {Isaiah 9:6} who formed a group and said they will become a global family of peace loving worshipers {Mark 10:30 compare to Isaiah 2:4} with the group he formed he said i will recognize them by the love they have among themselves {John 13:34-35} he commanded them to preach and teach about God's Kingdom in all their neighborhood {Matthew 28:19-20} which will make their names and that of those who listen to them enter into God's memory book {Malachi 3:16} which will help honest hearted individuals know the true worshipers of God {Malachi 3:18} and whoever is not found written in the books written in God's presence {Malachi 3:16} cannot have everlasting life! Revelations 20:15

So regarding what you asked about the Governing Body Jesus appointed them to cater for his sheep {Matthew 24:45} as for that BODY Jesus said only those with sharp spiritual eyes like EAGLES can sight them and GATHER around them! Luke 17:37

This response is not for you because i'm sure you won't even check the verses out of fear so it's for honest hearted and sincere individuals who loves the truth!🙂

CaptainFM1:
Did I say I know?
Nobody, and I repeat no single person knows what God wants. I'm only telling you where I would be and I don't know about you. I don't know who you worship either, but we're certainly not worshipping the same God.

Surely your God differs from mine and as for where i will be it's not heaven my God promised me everlasting life here on planet earth! Psalms 37:9-21, 29; Proverbs 2:20-22; Matthew 5:5

So thanks for your time!🙂

FxMasterz:
In a nutshell, your doctrine of Jesus being a created being is a formulated one. It has no single support in scripture. May I ask you a simple question? Who will admit you into heaven? God or your governing body?
I advise you, if God is the One who would admit you, adhere to His Word without adding to it. If your governing council are the ones that would admit you into heaven, then, hold their doctrines dear, and ingnore the Word of God.

Funny enough you don't even know the promise of God for righteous people! Psalms 37:9-11, 29 Proverbs 2:20-22; Matthew 5:5

Ọmọ heaven is not what God promised humans because that's not what God created for humans o! Psalms 115:16🙂

blueAgent:
That's as a man,( incarnate)his life depended on God.

When Peter said:

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Matthew 16:16

Was he talking to a human?🙂

So he disagreed with the norms of that church yet he keeps on going there!🤔

blueAgent:
Angels are not immortal an like man, their lives depend on God.

Someone said:

“Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” Luke 23:46

“My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.” Matthew 26:39

And Paul said about this same person:

While Jesus lived on earth he prayed to God, asking for help from the one who could save him from death. He prayed to God with loud cries and tears. And his prayers were answered because of his great respect for God. Hebrews 5:7

Jesus' life depend on God, true or false?🙂

Kalatium:
Biblical stories.

But the Bible God only deal with people who through ORGANIZED RELIGION!😟

gentlegenius:
Before I answer your question, you must understand that church is not a building, not an institution, not a religion. Church is a gathering of people who have one faith, one love, one mindset and one spirit.(Philippians 2:1-2).
So, the fruits of the true church are... Oneness, love, selflessness etc. It's not by joining an organization or institution. If you have just two friends that have the same believe, same mindset, same spirit, same purpose and same love with you, then you've found a true church. Anywhere, anytime you gather with them, you are in a church, and Christ is surely there... "For wherever two or three are gathered in my name...".
True religion that you mentioned earlier, is also not an institution or organization as the world today consider it to be.
"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world".( James 1: 27).

Would you like to know what God's word says we should look out for as the FRUIT of true faith? Matthew 7:16

CaptainFM1:
Mr deputy God or what should I call you? Only God can judge the world. Infact, he already knows those that will make heaven. However, one thing I can assure you is that when we both leave this world and you don't find me wherever you land, just know that I'm in heaven. I don't know where you possibly could go - maybe hell!

So you think heaven is where God wants his worshipers to be shey?

Well it's OK since you've concluded.

CaptainFM1:
You can follow God and avoid the physical structure/buildings called church. Afterall, we all did that during covid!

Did you preach the Kingdom to anyone during covid?
How many got baptized through your preaching then?

Sorry if it's about doing what you think is good only without preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom then all your good deeds are useless before God! Isaiah 64:6
That's what Jesus establish for sinners to continue doing actively for their names to enter into the book of life! Malachi 3:16