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Bible mentioned heaven first to be burnt so you can't change what is written in the Bible whatever you think God has promised never to destroy earth so the new heavens and new earth aren't literal but symbolic!🙂

DiarisGodoo:
You are confusing the idea of earth (which exists in God and cannot be destroyed) with what humans perceive as earth (which will be destroyed and another one created). What YOU perceive as earth WILL be destroyed.
Isaiah 65:17: "For I am about to create a new heavens and a new earth; the former things shall not be remembered, nor come to mind".
2 Peter 3:13: "But, in keeping with his promise, we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness will dwell".
Revelation 21:1: "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more".

LordReed:
I don't care. Go and preach to them and give them Awake magazine.

Now you know why many do claim i say hard facts?

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

Well if you don't care sincere and honest hearted individuals be it Muslim, Atheist, Freethinker, Churchian, Traditionalist and Agnostic do care and they know exactly what they are saying!🙂

LordReed:
You are the one projecting your ignorance. Of course I know you is referring to the JW collective.

And here we have an example of your deceptiveness. You claimed they don't know you then latter want to change to some of them know you and changed. The tomorrow someone will claim you say hard facts. Lies are not hard facts.

Whatever you want to claim, go and share Awake to them. Visit them in their houses and preach to them.

You misunderstood me!

The terrorists don't know true Christians means they don't know the difference between those claiming Christians and those practicing Christianity. That's why when they attack Churchgoers dragging political seats with them they feel these people are Christians but by the time they finds out that true Christians don't meddle with politics at all they wonder what these people claiming Christians are doing!

Do you understand now?🙂

DiarisGodoo:
This guy, try to reason. Where did you see "after"?
Heaven is spiritual. It is not physical like earth. It cannot be destroyed. It was God's abode BEFORE creation. That's NOT the heaven here. The heaven here was created durring creation. See it below

Mr Socrates, if you want to reason you should have known that God will never destroy planet earth:

The Lord smelled these sacrifices, and it pleased him. The Lord said to himself, “I will never again curse the earth as a way to punish people. People are evil from the time they are young, but I will never again destroy every living thing on the earth as I did this time. As long as the earth continues, there will always be a time for planting and a time for harvest. There will always be cold and hot, summer and winter, day and night on earth.” Genesis 8:21-22

A generation is going, and a generation is coming, But the earth remains forever. Ecclesiastes 1:4

He made his sanctuary as enduring as the heavens, Like the earth that he has established forever. Psalms 78:69

He has established the earth on its foundations; It will not be moved from its place forever and ever. Psalms 104:5

Your faithfulness is through all generations. You have firmly established the earth, so that it continues to stand. Psalms 119:90

As you rightly said the heavens and earth mention in that book of Peter are not literal but symbolic.

So think of the real meaning instead of trying to separate one and giving it whatever meaning that suit you!🙂

Cashylyx:
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

Do you know any religion that's doing this today?

LordReed:
You said they don't know you so why changing mouth? Go and share Awake for them.

Don't be an illiterate due to this atheism nah!
When i say terrorists don't know the true Christians i'm not saying they don't know Maximus rather they don't know our group and what we stand for.

Education is not the way you think my guy it's a gradual process where those educated will take it back to their own people for enlightenment i was gradually becoming a sadist and on my way to become a terrorist before the true Christians in my neighborhood reached me with the good news so if what i heard gets to everyone it will be difficult for anyone to sit back in his home comfortably sponsoring others to go killing or getting killed.

There are things that makes us feel cheated and deprived but those paying us to fight don't join us because they are enjoying with their families so if i know that it's not my effort or vengeance that can solve the problem then why picking up weapons in the first place? Matthew 26:52

You may subscribe for Atheism but that shouldn't stop you from thinking positively!🙂

Ken4Christ:
It is implied. Those who sleep in Christ goes to heaven in their spirit form.

Can you back this with the scriptures?

What makes a person wicked in the sight of God?

We all want good life for ourselves but at the same time majority among us feels the less privileged should remain slaves to them forever {Exodus 21:1-11} but then if they finds themselves in the shoes of the less privileged they will start crying to God for freedom from slavery.
This is what majority are doing at religious centers starving themselves in many places claiming worshipers of God. Isaiah 58:3-4
In the world today Satan rules as King {2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} so he is promoting materialism, greed and selfishness everywhere.
Many cry out for justice because they are denied a lot of benefits but when the table turns the same person will start giving excuses why his neighbor doesn't deserve what he has.
So what could have helped us form one big and happy family of peace globally?
Well let everyone of us agree that each human should be entitled to all the good things of life as long as the person is ready to serve in any capacity that he fits in for instance the man/woman that's sweeping the road supposed to earn the same amount with the man/woman sitting as president of the country so that everyone has all the good things of life and let's see if there will be thieves or terrorists anywhere.

But the truth is many will vehemently kick against this idea yet when they finds themselves in want they will start calling God for justice as if they wanted it in the first place.

Wickedness starts from thinking you deserve better things than your neighbors so don't call on God when you finds yourself on the other side because you are WICKED and God promised to forget all the wicked in their graves! Psalms 9:17

WHY?

Because they are asking for what is not possible under God's rulership it's Satan that wants some to live like gods while their neighbors serves as slaves {Genesis 3:4-5} but in God's own kingdom everyone deserves the best of life.

Now search your heart and answer this questions:

Where do i belong?
Am i one of the righteous?
Am i one of the unrighteous?
Or am i one of the wicked?

May you have peace!🙂

LordReed:
Go and share Aeake for them now, what are you waiting for?

Many of them who were formally wolves have become like sheep today after knowing what God's Kingdom will do for obedient humans.
So don't think terrorists just emerge from nowhere they are sadistic people in your neighborhood it's when they are organized by a leader that they unleash terror on their neighbors.
That's why Jesus sent us to go and speak to people in their homes {Matthew 10:11-13} because most people who later pick up weapons and join terrorist groups were once denied opportunities to have a good life but by the time we preach the Good News of God's Kingdom to them many burst into tears of joy expressing their satisfaction and telling us what they would have become if we fail to reach them in time!🙂

The wonderful book (Bible) described three categories of people on planet earth and they are the RIGHTEOUS, the UNRIGHTEOUS and the WICKED.
Who are they and what makes them to be quantified in these categories?

First of all let's talk about the righteous.
These are people who have direct dealings with the true God and because they proved to be in support of His purposes He declared them "righteous" so by the time He decides to restore peace, security and sanity on this planet He promised to bring them back so they can live not just for few years of 80-100 but forever! Psalms 37:29

Next are the unrighteous.
These are people who lived by their own conscience {Romans 2:14-15} they never had direct dealing with God so they tried as much as possible to do what is good to the best of their ability towards their neighbors.
They will not do what they knew they won't accept to others {Matthew 7:12} neither will they allow anyone to defraud them so with whatever power they fight for their right this is why God referred to them as unrighteous since they never knew His purposes there is no chance for them to prove their loyalty to Him.
So by the time God decides to bring back His loyal friends {Job 14:13-15} this people will be considered along with His loyal friends. Act 24:15

Lastly are the wicked.
This are people who love doing things their own way and they don't care if what they wish makes life miserable for their neighbors as long as they get away with their selfishness and greed they do whatever it takes to please themselves.
Throughout history billions have proved to be WICKED so when God chose a nation called Israel to serve as example for other nations {Exodus 19:5} majority among them proved to be wicked so it's only a few that were loyal and obedient that is why God inspired some of His servants to pen down the names of those He declared righteous even among the Israelites!
So the righteous are worshipers of God while nice people who don't know God's righteousness are the unrighteous going by the Bible standard but how can you know if you are among the WICKED?

To be continued...

Judolisco:
next thing you'll tell me there's a difference between paradise and heaven.... I Don hear bro.... It's alright

Heaven is where God and His spirit sons live.
Paradise is Eden which is to be restored on planet earth so that the whole planet will become like the garden of Eden.

So when Jesus said:

“Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.” Luke 23:43

That day Jesus died and was in his grave for three consecutive days so it's not the same day he was talking about rather the promise was made that day.

This is not just about you alone but other followers of this thread who may be interested in knowing exactly what Jesus meant!

fuckJones:
If the death of Jesus didn't stop man from suffering, dying or going to hell; of what benefits did he died?

Why did he died?
What use was his death?
What did his deaths save us from?

Jesus' death is like a repayment of what we owe.
To illustrate imagine a manager who was assigned to manage a company embezzled all the money and the company went bankrupt. The company is closed so that all the workers became jobless and their families have to suffer but a kind man heard of the matter and felt pity for the workers therefore he decided to pay off the debt so that the company can start again do you think it's immediately the worker will start to get all the benefits?
Surely it will take time because all what the company lost due to mismanagement must be put in place so the workers have to endure until the company regain its strength then they will all begin to enjoy all the benefits they deserve as workers.

Adam is the bad manager and mankind are like the workers so mismanagement from Adam put all of us into a huge debt {Romans 5:12} Jesus is the kind man who paid the debt so for the workers to get all the benefits they have to come back and start working under the new management and until the company is stable again the workers can only enjoy few of the benefits not all.

For now what Jesus promised his friends is that each of them will have families in all the nations instead of the ones in their localities where they were born {Mark 10:28-30} it's this global family of true Christians that will be ushered into everlasting life where there is no more death, suffering or pain anymore {Revelations 21:3-4} until then we must work hard alongside our family in the faith to gather disciples for Jesus Christ throughout the earth {Act 1:8} because it's this same disciples that will make up our global family when Jesus destroys all evildoers making life unbearable for his friends! Luke 19:27

Judolisco:
you're not reading what I'm saying... I never said the thief was baptised.... The thief was not even born again, yet he made heaven... He made heaven because jesus said he could come... That's the only thing that matters.... Faith and repentance... But without faith, it is impossible to please God

Jesus promised the thief paradise not heaven! Luke 23:43 😟

DiarisGodoo:
Mr. Socrates, to the yet-to-be-destroyed heaven

Mr Socrates this is what Peter said:


But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. ‭2 Peter 3:10 NIV‬

So it's heaven that will first be destroyed by fire before anything happens to earth where did you find your own idea?

I told you this is not your place it's either politics, family or crime! 😂

Ken4Christ:
Absolutely. The passage below confirms it:
1 Thessalonians 4:15
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so THEM ALSO WHICH SLEEP IN JESUS WILL GOD BRING WITH HIM.

Did the passage say their spirit will come from heaven and enter the grave again before flying back to heaven?

ChidiebereS:
Why is it that anywhere the name "E.A. Adeboye" is mentioned, it shakes people and places.
There must be a glory associated with that name.
What do you think, bro?

Whatever you wish for your religious leader!🙂

Lamba!
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Lamba!🙂

tctrills:
Again, just to be clear, it is your position that God created a timetable for Adam but somehow, there was nothing like time before Adam ate the fruit right?
In short, timetable came before time.

Before Adam sinned time was irrelevant!🙂

Ken4Christ:
The spirits of those who are born again are in heaven after death. When Jesus comes back, they will come back with Jesus and be reunited with their bodies.

So, its their spirit and soul that will be reunited with their bodies. They will resurrected with a brand new body.

So they will come back before going to meet Jesus in the sky again shey?😂

Adam is the model man whose life caused mankind's fall not Judas so it was the sentence declared on Adam that brought death on all humans! Romans 5:12
So if we both disagree on this there is no problem but i maintain that the world to be destroyed is not planet earth rather it's disobedient and rebellious humans whose origin began from the moment Adam sinned and that's what brought about the redemption plan not something God planned before creation!🙂

tctrills:
That's why I ask you how old was Judas before he betrayed Jesus Christ, clearly, time was not relevant for Judas.
You and I know that the bible was not about celebrating Adam or Judas' birthday so it was not recorded. This still remains a foolish question.

But let's summarize and come to an agreement.
Is it ok if we say that JW bros believe that God created a timetable for Adam but somehow miraculously Adam did not use time before eating the fruit?

Let's make this our take away. We understand each other's position but we don't agree.

That's why i asked you how old was Adam before he ate the forbidden fruit?

How many days has he been working in the garden if your so called "time" is relevant?🙂

tctrills:
Please don't confuse yourself. You answered your question perfectly then started getting confused.
Now lets go back to your answers.
GOD created day for humans to WORK.
God created night for humans to REST!
From your brilliant answers, it's clear that God created a timetable for man. Can you see that time was already in use before Adam ate the fruit? Thanks for the beautiful answer.
But it goes far deeper than that.
God created day and night even before creating man so the purpose of time predates man.
Again, even before the creation of day and night, God made use of time. That's why the bible talks about a beginning.
The word Beginning is already putting things into a timeframe.
So yes, time is older than man's creation.
And thanks for your answer that reminds us that a timetable was made long before Adam ate the fruit.

tctrills:
God lives forever, yet He created day and night before creating Adam.

God created DAY and NIGHT for what purpose?

each one’s WORK will be shown for what it is, for the DAY will show it up, because it will be revealed by means of fire, and the fire itself will prove what sort of WORK each one has built. 1Corinthans 3:13

GOD created day for humans to WORK.

In time he came to a place and prepared to spend the NIGHT there because the sun had set. So he took one of the stones of that place and set it to REST his head on and lay down there. Genesis 28:11

God created night for humans to REST!

So it was not to set time limit for them but when it's dark they can relax and enjoy with their family then sleep not for them to start counting!🙂

When you don't know what to say about everlasting life you concentrate on threat that was infused in your heart.

When talking about true love age is just a number, most young ladies love to be pampered like babies which many young men finds really hard to do.
So it's not about wealth or virginity when God has yoked two lovers together let side talkers stay clear!😟

Ken4Christ:
If you are born again, your spirit and soul lives on.
If you are not born again, your soul lives on. Your spirit is dead because of sin.

Paul said the dead in Christ will rise first to join Jesus in the sky! 1Thessalonians 4:16

Which part of them is in their graves that will rise?
Their body, spirit or soul?

tctrills:
So we can't just make up things. How do you know that Night and day doesn't have any relevance with our lives if we are to live forever.
Guesswork.
God lives forever yet he makes use of his own time as we learnt from 2 Peter.
So you are again wrong.
Time is used in the heavens where beings are immortal.
So how did you invent such false teachings?

Ọmọ use your brain at times not just trying to be smart when you are not.

If someone asked you to come and there is no time limit you won't bother because time is not attached.

If we are to live forever nobody will struggle so hard to accumulate wealth.

If we are to live forever no woman will agree to marry a polygamist.

If we are to live forever nobody will build house expecting tenants to come and rent.

Everything started from the day Adam got a death sentence so that is the foundation of this wicked system of things (world) which will soon end when God's Kingdom comes and nobody again will worry about time!🙂

Another scammer again!
When will you people learn that these are stage managed performance?

God never promised gentiles power to perform miracles.

Search your Bible if you can find just one single gentile performing miracles in the Bible whether old or new testament!😟

Is that not the same thing you did when the other guy asked you a question?

Ọmọ you don't know anything that's why you often become aggressive when questions that puts you in a tight corner emerges.

Adam had lived without time before he ate the forbidden fruit that's why there was no record of how long he was in the garden before he sinned the record of 930 years means how long Adam spent after eating the forbidden fruit which never amounted to 1,000 years which is a day from God's standpoint! 2Peter 3:8🙂

tctrills:
I wasn't being aggressive, I was only being blunt and honest. You asked an irrelevant question and someone needed to tell you.
Oga you are not making sense. There was specific time limits. God introduced day and Night as specific time limits.
Time has nothing to do with you living or dying.
God created day and night. That's called time. He did not wait for Adam to eat a fruit to do that.

Lastly, even God has and uses time.
2Peter 3.8
This verse explains, "But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." It highlights the difference between human and divine timing.
So if God who can't die has his own time what makes you think that time began after Adam ate a fruit.
You really need to stop the guesswork and follow the gospel of Jesus Christ.

tctrills:
No, actually, time began before Adam was created. Remember
And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day
Or is this verse not in your bible.
Adam had nothing to do with time. In the garden of Eden, there w night before Adam was created and it did not stop with the creation of Adam.

Night and Day doesn't have any relevance with our lives if we are to live forever.
Time became relevant when we must grow old and die through aging which comes with time so by the time eternal life begins time becomes useless that's the truth!🙂

tctrills:
The bible did not tell.

So there was nothing like time before he was sentenced to death.
God never declared any time limit for him to exist but the time starts counting after he sinned and that's what the Bible recorded regarding his death! Genesis 5:5 🙂

tctrills:
Foolish question, it doesn't matter if each day was 24 hours or 24000000 hours. A day on its own is a unit of time. So when you say 2 days, you are measuring a time span. Even on the Earth's poles (North and South poles), a day is not 24 hours, but yet it remains a unit of time, so you just made a useless point.

You often become aggressively with all manner of insults when you are questioned but expecting others to respond to you politely.

Well that's your cup of coffee.

Peter said a day is not 24 hours from the viewpoint of God so it means there no specific time limit before Adam and Eve sinned the time starts counting when God declared death sentence on Adam that's why Adam never lived up to 1,000 years {2Peter 3:8} before then man was created to live forever. If we don't have to grow old or die there is nothing called time since it's irrelevant to our existence just as angels don't have anything to do with timing the angels that have been in heaven since creation are still living till today!🙂
So time became relevant when God declared death sentence on Adam and Eve.
To illustrate imagine if someone is given a jail sentence what matters mostly to the jailer and the convict is the time that is exactly what the Bible calls end of the world because all badness started when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit so badness will end after God cured mankind completely and from then we have no need for time again! Revelations 21:3-4 🙂