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You people will directly contradict Jesus' own words and tag Jehovah's Witnesses as if it's JWs that said it.

“How difficult it will be for those having money to make their way into the Kingdom of God! It is easier, in fact, for a camel to get through the eye of a sewing needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.” Luke 18:24-25

Everyone knows that it's only Jehovah's Witnesses that's sticking to this teaching but instead of humbly asking what Jesus meant you called out Jehovah's Witnesses and start asking why we said it when you know it's Jesus himself who said it!🙂

Questions majority avoids like a plague but wanting to point accusing fingers at one another!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
So what were the Apostles practicing and which church is following them today?🙂

So what were the Apostles practicing and which church is following them today?🙂

You try jàre!
Seun complete am!😂

Sharing formula!
Those handling the resources should see to it that everyone from a certain age and above gets equal share in all the resources gotten on planet earth.
For instance in Nigeria the president and the gateman of the public school should be paid the same salary and both should get all the benefits as bonafide citizens of Nigeria since they are all expected to pledge to...... to be faithful loyal and honest, to serve... with all their strength.
If this is done all other things will fall in place automatically!🙂

DeepSight:
Your man JimRohn said he is "too big "
Is that humble.

Is he one of Jehovah's Witnesses?
That's the language all of you speaks but not our own language so judging him for what he doesn't know is senselessness.

JimRohn:
I’m far too big to waste my time trading insults with you — doing so would drag me down to your vulturous level. You simply lack the intellectual depth and mental sharpness to counter anything I say, and your only form of argument is hurling childish insults like an empty-headed clown desperate for attention.

He's after you for this comment:

JimRohn:
Do you really consider DeepSight to be on the same intellectual level as MaxInDHouse or some of the other individuals I engage with here?

Because frankly, MaxInDHouse is among the most intelligent contributors on Nairaland. In contrast, DeepSight does not even qualify for consideration when I rate people based on intellect.

That is precisely why I refuse to bring myself down to his level — instead, I choose to engage with those whose reasoning and arguments are worth my time.

And his atheist friend has been worried over the comment another atheist made commending Max:

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

Both of them are now looking for ways to get back at me, i blocked the atheist as that one now becomes so provoked to the point of telling me what i should or shouldn't do whereas atheists don't believe in telling anyone what to do or someone telling them what to do!🙂

Wahala Yaaaso!
Atheist don provoke o!😟

I wonder why a person who subscribed to Atheism is so worried about what the faithfuls are discussing.

Perhaps our atheist friend is now seeing something that's disturbing his conscience in matters of faith.

Well you don't have to continue getting banned due to aggression this matter has nothing to do with you after all you don't believe in God and whatever has to do with God!😂

LordReed:
I dunno why you are crying over something you believe your god commanded you to do. Go to them and show them the difference or you are just lying to yourself, as usual. LoLz.

And who told you we aren't doing it?🙂

People like you enjoy deceiving yourself claiming you are wise but when you have serious problems you will start quoting what you don't believe.

I wonder how you will survive when you grow old, children become churchgoers listening to whatever their pastors teaches them and neglecting you in your oldage that's the time you will start quoting what you don't believe claiming they should obey their God to honor you as their parent while their religious leaders are demanding money from them if they want to make heaven.

Perhaps you think it's by sitting down in the comfort of your home arguing aimlessly that you can convince people not to believe in their religion!😂

You only need to quote just one verse that explicitly says the spirit of dead people goes to heaven using verses out of context when none says what you're claiming.
Paul said the dead in Christ will rise first {1Thessalonians 4:16} and they will be resurrected as spirits! 1Corinthans 15:44

So quote a verse or two that directly say this not making clumsy different verses!🙂

Ken4Christ:
Scripture clearly affirms that when believers (the saints) die, their spirits go immediately to be with Christ in heaven. Below are the key biblical passages that support this truth, with explanations for each:

1. Philippians 1:21–23
21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Explanation:
Paul says dying is gain because it means departing to be with Christ. This shows that at death, the believer’s spirit does not sleep or remain on earth but immediately enters Christ’s presence in heaven.

2. 2 Corinthians 5:6–8
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Explanation:
This passage teaches a direct transition: when a believer is absent from the body (through death), he or she becomes present with the Lord. There is no intermediate delay or soul sleep; the spirit goes immediately to be with Christ in heaven.

3. Luke 23:42–43
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Explanation:
Jesus assured the repentant thief that today; that very day, he would be with Him in paradise. This is clear proof that at death, the spirit of the redeemed immediately goes to be with Christ.

4. Ecclesiastes 12:7
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Explanation:
At death, the physical body returns to the earth, but the spirit goes back to God. For the believer, this means being consciously present with the Lord in heaven.

5. Acts 7:59
59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Explanation:
As Stephen was dying, he committed his spirit directly to the Lord Jesus; showing his confidence that his soul would go immediately to Christ in heaven.

6. Revelation 6:9–11
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Explanation:
John saw the souls of martyrs alive and conscious in heaven before the resurrection, showing that the spirits of saints live in God’s presence after death.

7. Hebrews 12:22–23
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Explanation:
In heaven are the spirits of just men made perfect; the departed saints whose spirits dwell in the presence of God.

8. Revelation 7:9–15 — The Tribulation Saints in Heaven

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Explanation:
These tribulation saints are clearly seen in heaven before the throne of God, worshipping the Lamb after having been killed during the Great Tribulation. Their physical bodies had been destroyed on earth, but their spirits were alive in heaven. They had not yet received their glorified bodies (which happens at the resurrection), yet they were conscious, joyful, and serving God in His presence.
This is strong confirmation that the spirits of believers go immediately to heaven upon death; even before their bodily resurrection

Truvelisback:
Good day, fellas. This go JW members who claimed rich christians won't go to heaven unless they sell everything they have and give to the poor. How many JW rich members have done the same? Or there no rich JW members? MaxInDHouse.

First of all what do you understand by the statement Jesus made regarding selling everything the politician had and giving to the poor? Luke 18:18-23
Did the apostles sold their belongings and gave the proceeds to the poor?
Let me know your thoughts on this first!🙂

LordReed:
Go to their individual house to preach and give them Awake, stop crying here. LoLz.

What a shame?
Atheism has failed you now you feel like telling everyone what they must do yet Atheism is about self awareness which negates the idea of telling others what they should or shouldn't do.
Well i wasn't talking to you rather i'm creating an awareness that the so called terrorists don't know the difference between true Christians and false religions claiming Christians so you can't tell me what to do if you are an atheist!🙂

miracle002:
You must not know everything brother. Anything you don't know is bigger than you, just calm down and learn from what I am exposing.

Hmmmmmmm if you believe in the Bible then try to back whatever claim you are making with the scriptures not just making claims because followers may think you are a believer in Christ when you are not.
Many demons are out there using various means to pass false information around so if care is not taken you could be assisting them yet you will claim you believe in God and Christ.
So back whatever you claim with the scriptures.
Thanks!

Hollywood or Nollywood movie are not biblical so prayers doesn't mean you have faith in Christ on the contrary your false claims makes you an enemy of truth.
There is only one particular field where Satan and his demons initiates people and that is POLITICS.
Paul said:


The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. ‭Galatians 5:19-21 NIV‬


If you go into politics Satan will initiate you through any of these fleshy desires and then you will constantly have one demon working with you till the day you expire but once you disagree with Satan and claim you don't want any of these acts to stain you then you must say goodbye to politics or be humiliated out of their midst hence Paul explained that Satan is the God of these system of things {2Corinthians 4:4} and through politics many are initiated into the occult so true Christians must resist politics with passion. Ephesians 6:12

Aside that depression is another means the demons can use anyone but such a person can't be initiated because he has nothing in sight to get back from the initiation. Luke 4:5-7

miracle002:
Continuation.

These demonic incarnates or demons in human flesh are real whether you believe it or not. Like I said earlier, these people are extremely wicked brutal and cold. They have no atom of mercy for their victims.

They are the major causes of death, sickness accidents and other evils in our world. They have the ability to summon demons, entities, evil spirit and malevolent forces to deal with their enemies and they do not rest until they have eliminated their target.

They are very secretive, it is almost impossible to know them. It only takes discernment or God telling you himself that that person or individual is not from him but from satan.

They are littered everywhere in our environment. You cannot avoid them or escape them. The truth is that they know who is who. They know who is a child of God and also who is of their kind.

You think they don't know you. They know you and they are watching you 24/7 that is why you need to be very careful as a child of God because if you make any mistake and fall into sin, they will strike you immediately, and when they have gotten you, it may be too late to repent.

These demonic incarnates or demons in human form may be witches, wizards, marabouts, witch doctors, herbalists, marine agents, e.t.c. They also occupy important roles in our societies such as Doctors, Nurses, engineers, traders, architects, bankers, principals, head mistress, Teachers, Lecturers, e.t.c. They also occupy roles in the government as Presidents, Senators, Ministers, e.t.c. The also occupy roles in our churches as Pastors, Apostles, Prophets, Ushers, Choirs, Church Admins, Security, Protocols among others. Infact the lists are endless.

You as a genuine child of God, they hate you so much with passion. That is why In your place of work your boss is treating you badly no matter how you try to please him. Your family members hate you so much although you didn't do anything wrong, your colleagues in the place of work are ganging up and conspiring against you for no reason. You are being denied a job, promotion in your place of work, people hate you for no reason, you are being persecuted unjustly. Don't take it as a mere hatred. It is simply because you are not one of them period, that is why they will try to make your life unbearable.

All these deadly and unexplainable sicknesses that afflict mankind like Stroke, cancer, kidney failure, insanity, heart attack, heart failure, Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, brain tumor, name them, they are the ones responsible for them.

They can afflict you or attack you by scratching their fingers, scratching their hairs, crossing their legs, crossing their hands, holding their hands behind their backs, scratching their legs on the floor among other tecnhiques, they don't need to visit any witch doctor or go to any altar. This evil power is in born in them, they are possessed with this demons inside of them.

These demons in human flesh can read your thoughts and They know what you are thinking. Believe me or not, what I am saying is true. They can read your thoughts and they can see whatever you are doing without coming to you physically.

Remember that they are working for their master Satan. They have no business with God. They hate God and all the children of God with so much hatred and their mission on this earth is to target genuine children of God in this earth and kill them

Remember that majority of the sickness that troubles you is not ordinary, 95% of them are arrows shot at you from these agents of darkness.

For you to protect yourself from them, you have live a Holy life. Avoid sin at all cost, make sure you are rooted in the scripture. Pray always, pray Warfare Prayers, be on the offensive against the kingdom of darkness and not on the defensive, look for a bible believing church that preaches the whole truth of God's word. Pray in tongues always during your prayer time. Always wake up in the midnight to pray, don't miss midnight prayers.

As you adhere to all these guidelines, these agents of darkness cannot touch you because they see walls of fire surrounding you and Angels mobilized to protect you always.

End of Part 2.

@ Truvelisback
I know you are eager to criticize my posts but please try to be fully composed next time because it's not easy to find fault with a spiritual man! 1Corinthans 2:15🤔

All creatures are perfect in the beginning {Genesis 1:31} it's after sin that humans became imperfect {Romans 3:23} so there is nowhere i called the serpent imperfect creature rather what i said is "lesser creature" which is backed up by the scriptures.

May you have peace!🙂

Truvelisback:
You said Eve was a perfect creature that was why she could not be possessed.

Oya quote where you find that in my post nah!😟

LordReed:
LoLz! You are the ones claiming to have a powerful god who has sent you to preach to everywhere but suddenly you are afraid to preach to terrorists? You are displaying what can only be described as irrationality.

Ọmọ try to be reasonable with this your Atheism because preaching to everyone differs from preaching to everywhere in fact Jesus said we should approach them individually {Matthew 10:11-13} one person can't act as terrorists It's when they are gathered that a sponsor will emerge to unleash them as a group so by the time we speak to them individually many of them will know what Christianity (true faith) is all about.

You just wish nobody see reasons with faith in God but ọmọ you can't make that happen.

See an atheist like you has confirmed it:

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

Surely if this person have people like me around him he couldn't have become an atheist!🙂

Truvelisback:
They aren't imperfect creature despite the fact that God made man to rule over them. If you call them imperfect, then it means man was imperfect too.

Can you quote where imperfect creature is found in the post you quoted earlier?😟

Truvelisback:
So, the serpent wasn't a perfect creature before it was possessed, right? You don't know what you are saying. Your comments are assumption based.

Did you know the meaning of that word "lesser creature" ?
Well if God could tell humans to control animals {Genesis 1:26} know today that angels have more power to perform the same task even better!

SeraphEl:
Son, bible is clear on this. There is a literal hell just as there is a literal heaven. The end.

If Bible is clear on it then when did Hell begin to exist because the opening words of the Bible says:

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" Genesis 1:1

And as regards tormenting humans in a place of fire God said directly to Jeremiah:

They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart. Jeremiah 7:31

So when did God change His mind?🙂

lawani:
Google is just there to guide you because if you were observant you would have seen the contradictions by yourself.

A contradicting message can't make sense to the extent of fulfilling a promise like what is written in that prophecy! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3
So if those behind Google don't get what the Bible is all about that's exactly what they will claim: a book of contradictions!🙂

LordReed:
Still waiting for y'all to go to their houses preach and share Awake to them.

Guy, Atheism is gradually turning you to a sadist!😟
Nobody goes after terrorists so it's when we find one in the neighborhood who open up on his past life or share the thoughts of his heart that we help them to see matters differently.
So if you are waiting for preachers to go looking for terrorists then you are being unreasonable seriously! 😒

HisaacPlus:
The wife is not a Christian!
There's nothing positive in this for her to share

Hmmmmmmm, hope to know more if you can throw more light because i suspected the same thing.

When falsehood bears fruit it can never ever be good! Matthew 7:16-18

Christianity wasn't commissioned for the love of money or like a business venture where people are paid for their services {Matthew 10:8} so Jesus said any tree that fails to produce good fruit (any religion claiming Christian but refused to follow the footsteps of Christ and his Apostles) will be cut down and throw into the fire (will become inconsistent and end up being useless)

When most of those founding churches started they appeared innocent before people so it was difficult to know whether they are true or fake but by the time their religion starts growing the real intent of the founder will become obvious.

Paying people as pastors is not part of the Christian faith in fact attaching religious titles to individuals is unchristian {Matthew 23:8-10} but since majority love darkness than light they will never ever ask to know the true religion that's practicing Christianity!🙂

lawani:
Quoting the Bible as if it were an academic publication! Type contradictions in the Bible into Google to see why that is very foolish

Wait until Google is able to teach a group of people and make them form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally {Isaiah 2:2-4} then anyone who prefers another source of information claiming it's more beneficial that Google should be declared EVIL!🙂

miracle002:
Do you know that it is not everybody you see on the street, on the road, in the market place, in your place of work, in your compound, or even in the church are human beings.

Whoever you see today are humans they have families, brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters.
The truth is demons do possess imperfect humans who have empty their minds of all kinds of teachings so that when their minds are empty demons will bring in evil thoughts just as Satan did to Eve.
Eve was a perfect human so Satan can't possess her that's why he possessed the serpent (lesser creature) in the garden to communicate with Eve {Genesis 3:1} whose minds were fixed on true teaching {Genesis 3:2-3} but Satan first of all used a cunning way to format the truth from Eve's heart {Genesis 3:4} before filling it with falsehood. Genesis 3:5
So whoever you can see around you are humans but many has been possessed by demons {Matthew 8:28} as they failed to keep their minds busy with scriptural truth! Matthew 12:43-45

Many are WICKED but they don't know it because false religions have blinded their minds so Jesus' teachings can't help them! 2Corinthians 4:4

brightleave:
and then he created the hell fire alongside sin to prove that he is God

There is heaven a place where God and all His spirit sons live. Psalms 115:16
There is earth a place where God gave humans to live {Genesis 2:15} and take charge of all the things on the planet. Genesis 1:28

Hell means Grave a place where rebels ends when their breath of life goes off {Ecclesiastes 9:10} it's not a place for the living because all those in Hell are lifeless and that is where their dead bodies gets rotten.

Hellfire is a fabrication by Christendom churches they don't understand symbolic terms Jesus used when talking to first century Jewish false religious leaders {Matthew 13:13; 34} he doesn't want them to misuse his message and claim what they are not. Today religious leaders teaching Hellfire as doctrine are following the footsteps of the first century Jewish false religious leaders so they have to fabricate different teachings to prove they understood {Romans 10:2-3} Jesus' message whereas their teachings {Matthew 16:6 & 12} can never ever produce positive results among them or their followers! Matthew 7:15-20

The word Jesus used in Hebrew is called "Gehenna" in his day it's a place behind the walls of Jerusalem where the Jews throw their refuse and carcasses of dead animals or criminals their believe is that criminals are wicked so since their God will not remember wicked people during resurrection of the dead {Psalms 9:17} there is no reason to give such ones a burial place as a remembrance, burial tombs are dedicated to righteous people not the wicked! Joshua 24:32 compare to 2Chronicles 21:20

Jesus used Gehenna to describe the condition of rebellious and disobedient Jews from God's standpoint not that God will preserve living humans and continue roasting them alive such thoughts never came into God's heart! Jeremiah 7:31

So where did leaders of the Christendom Churches got this idea?

This is what Babylonians, Greeks and Romans believe regarding the dead they believe the dead goes somewhere after leaving this world which means they are not completely dead something survived them. That is the lie Satan told Eve {Genesis 3:4} to make her rebel against God but the truth is nothing lives after we die {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} the only hope for the dead is a resurrection {John 5:28-29} and that's what all ancient servants of God believe! Job 14:13-15

May you have peace!

Expanse2020:
Were you high when you typed that Jews are your brother and others religions are your name ...Egba mi lọwọ opurọ yii

This is what happens when you are just rushing to criticize others without taking care to read what you want to criticize.

MaxInDHouse:
Only JWs are my brothers the rest of you are my neighbors!🙂

Expanse2020:
Ehen
The Jew that kill your God is your brother and the rest of Christians factions are your neighbor....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Gbege...

Abeg explain better to me how is that so..

JWs differs from Jews.

Go back and check what you quoted!🙂

Expanse2020:
Didn't your God die for 3days inside the bible
Abi how does that one become lies too

Surely you are a baby Muslim because mature Muslims know that Jehovah's Witnesses don't refer to Jesus as God.

Expanse2020:
And who told you prophet Muhammad S.A.W didn't celebrate Eid Kabir. .... Where did you get your useless and baseless fact

After Abraham killed a ram in place of his son please which descendant of Abraham repeated the sacrifice before Muhammad started it again thousands of years later?
And the Id El maloud which is the birthday of Muhammad please did the man ever celebrated it during his lifetime?

DiarisGodoo:
Do you agree that only God is eternal? That whatever came into being at some point (as people perceive it) will also at some point cease to be?

I don't agree with whatever the Bible did not say so regarding the earth God who destroyed everything on dry land to save Noah and his family with few animals said He will never do such a thing again! Genesis 8:21-22
So when God said He is creating a New Heaven and New Earth it's symbolic not literal!🙂

Ken4Christ:
Even when I give you Scripture evidence, you will still not believe. You seem to be possessed with the spirit of unbelief.

God's word never said spirit goes to heaven and come back into dead bodies so stop lying deceiving yourself!🙂