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wumiwumi100:
You say, “there’s no better replacement for God’s Organization.” But let’s be clear: that statement itself exposes the problem. Nowhere did Jesus ever say, “look for an organization.” He said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6). He pointed people to himself, not to a human-run institution.

Please think intelligently.

Jesus was fulfilling the part written about him in the prophecies before him Isaiah prophesied that there will be a highway to holiness {Isaiah 35:8} so he has the right to say:

"I am the way"

But when he's leaving his future disciples needs to know what to look out for when countless religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are all claiming believers in Christ {Matthew 7:16-18} so if we now see an organization that boldly come out claiming they are the only group practicing what Jesus taught today surely anyone who wants to disprove them don't need to complain about them because that's exactly what faithless Jews did in the first century so what you need to do is present a better performing group if you truly love Jesus!

wumiwumi100:
You keep saying, “show me a better group.” But that argument falls flat. Even if no group is perfect, that doesn’t give any organization the right to pretend to be God’s sole channel while constantly failing His tests.

Exactly what first century ex-disciples of Jesus will say that since Jesus can't meet all their expectations he shouldn't claim to be the only way to God.

So don't worry my guy i understood you perfectly!

bixton:
Let me ask this question back to you differently......
How possible is it for a JW to sleep in the house of one who is of a different faith?

Jesus didn't promise me that i can sleep in the house of people who don't share my faith rather he promised me that there awaits me a home everywhere i go as long as my brothers and sisters in the faith lives there! Mark 10:29-30

May JEHOVAH be praised!

No matter all the evidence rebellious ones will continue to complain just as they did against God's servants in Bible times but there is only one thing they can't change:

They can never ever find a better replacement for God's Organization!

wumiwumi100:
You’re right that Jesus clearly described how his true disciples would be identified — but the question is, do Jehovah’s Witnesses actually measure up to that standard?

The scriptures foretold a lot about the presence of the Christ among the Jews but did the people in general accepted Jesus despite all what they have read in the prophecies?

NO!

WHY?

Because they think he doesn't measure up to their expectations yet they can't find anyone else who has proved better than Jesus despite the fact that there was high expectations that the Christ is to come in the first century.

So if you feel JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES doesn't measure up to what Christ said about the identification of his true disciples then present a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses today!

wumiwumi100:
You completely twisted that scripture, my friend. In John 6:66, some disciples left Jesus because they could not accept his hard saying.

Naaaaaaa!
They thought he was talking rubbish!

wumiwumi100:
Winning the hearts of “observers” doesn’t automatically prove a religion is true.

You can't change what Jesus said about the identification of his real disciples:

“You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain. People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house. Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 5:14-16

"I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:34-35

Jesus said OBSERVERS will speak up for seeing what he taught his true disciples as they unitedly exhibit it!

bixton:
So you mean ministries like Living Faith Church, Salvation Ministries, Greater Evangelism World Crusade , Christ Embassy, Deeper Life, Catholic church, are not known witnesses of the gospel of Christ Jesus?

Can a member of any of these religions travel anywhere and feel safe in the home of strangers simply because they belong to the same religion?
Can a member of any of these religions welcome a stranger into their house simply because such a person belongs to their religion?

That's what Jesus promised his disciples! Mark 10:29-30🙂

PulsingPurple:
Mr. Maximus oo 😅
Sometimes people give responses as though the world revolves around their thinking process.
Think broad a bit, or better still openly say you choose to reject any knowledge that comes from elsewhere (close-mindedness).
Whichever way, your argument wasn't with me, the question I asked wasn't for you and your answer didn't exactly satisfy me either. Carry on with your thing, I'll have no further response after this one.
For your first paragraph, let me ask this question (rhetorical):
Following your ideology, if someone leaves a school where they molest children, the person shouldn't speak up and raise awareness? They should just carry on finding out a better school and leave the past behind?
Replicate this analogy and boldly convince yourself on flawed reasonings (as usual).
I don't even know why you started including Passages that didn't relate with your point.
Maybe next time, include passages where people are encouraged not to speak up and raise awareness when they leave a former, false religion.

My friend you are considering the words of complainants while i'm not interested in complaints rather what i care to know is ACTION that sincere observers can see around them and praise to the God behind such a movement! Matthew 5:14-16

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

wumiwumi100:
You’re still avoiding the real issue. The question is not whether I’ve “found another religion,” the question is whether the one claiming to be the only true religion actually measures up to Christ’s standard. That’s what we’re examining.

Think about the disciples that left Jesus in the first century {John 6:66} and try to imagine what such ones will continue to say when Peter said there is no one to turn to for truth about everlasting life {John 6:68} of course it's what you are saying now that they will continue saying:

The question is not whether they’ve “found a better teacher,” the question is whether the one claiming to be the only way, truth and life actually measures up to God’s standard.

Because they strongly believe Jesus was talking rubbish which totally contradicts what the scriptures say.

So my friend we are the type that keeps asking for a better one while you are the type that keeps on complaining about the only one you have.

PulsingPurple:
I don't know how to put it to you Max, but if this guy is an ex-JW, then I fully understand why he's making posts against you guys. I saw the post, saw the similar posts on his profile and just got curious. Wasn't asking with intention of mockery or anything, unless of course he isn't a former member and was just making posts for engagement. If there's anyone I'd expect anti-JW posts from, it would be the former members who know what they're talking about.

If you are sincere with yourself there is no need asking people to come and tell you what they experienced in their former religion because we all have what we believe or practiced formerly before our conversion.

For instance Jesus was talking one day and all his disciples left him never to see him again remaining the only apostles. John 6:66

The question any sincere person should ask is: have they found a better religion?

Peter answered that there is nowhere to turn to if they leave Jesus. John 6:68

So if some people are complaining about their former religion i will ask them:

Have you found a better one?

See the religion you are complaining about as they've won the hearts of sincere observers:

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Jesus said:

"You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain. People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house.  Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 5:14-16

Have you found a better performing group than this?

So have you now found the truth?

wumiwumi100:
This is exactly the hypocrisy we are talking about. Instead of facing the real issues, you quickly shift the discussion to “new faith.” That is simply a distraction. Nobody here is trying to promote another religion; we are exposing harmful teachings and contradictions that have destroyed many lives. If someone has suffered in a place, would you just tell them “forget it”? No, because speaking out is part of healing.

You say what interests you is “new found faith.” That only shows you are dodging the real matter because it is uncomfortable. We are not here to advertise churches. We are pointing out failed prophecies, abandoned doctrines, child abuse cover-ups, and the fear tactics the Watchtower uses to control people. To now say “talk about your new faith” is hypocrisy because you don’t want to address the real issues.

And your statement that “if you don’t have anything new to share, there’s no reason to listen” is false. There is every reason. Many people are still inside but are afraid to speak because of the label “apostate.” We speak not only for ourselves but also for those trapped in silence.

The truth that is strong does not fear examination. If Jehovah’s Witness teachings are truly solid, why the fear when people question them? Why disfellowship someone just for asking questions? Why so much panic over scrutiny? If the foundation is solid, it will stand up to examination.

So let’s not deceive ourselves, this is not about clinging to the past, it is about exposing wrongs and helping people see clearly. If that makes you uncomfortable, maybe it is because you know the questions are valid but you cannot answer them.

wumiwumi100:
Romans 16:17 was about avoiding those who deliberately caused divisions contrary to the teaching of Christ.

Have you found a religion that's teaching what Christ taught so that we can now know those who deliberately causes division?

wumiwumi100:
You completely diverted from the real issue. Nobody is denying that people leave religions every day, your point there is irrelevant to the discussion. The main question is: if this is really “the truth,” why are people who ask questions or raise concerns made to feel guilty or labeled as apostates?
What you just said actually makes no sense when examined closely. If people who leave the so-called “only true religion” spend so much time talking about what they left behind, doesn’t that say something about how deeply they were affected by it? Trauma doesn’t come from nothing. If it was truly a “happy place,” why would their voices be filled with pain, regret, and betrayal?
So please, stop deflecting. Stick to the main point, because what you said is just an attempt to run away from uncomfortable facts.

The same thing happens in all religions so your cry for WOLF! WOLF!! Is found everywhere unless you want to continue deceiving yourself.

In the first century anyone questioning the authority of those taking the lead in Christianity were disfellowshiped:


Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them. Romans 16:17

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 10-11

I wrote something to the congregation, but Di·otʹre·phes, who likes to have the first place among them, does not accept anything from us with respect. 10 That is why if I come, I will call attention to the works he is doing in spreading malicious talk about us. Not being content with this, he refuses to welcome the brothers with respect; and those who want to welcome them, he tries to hinder and to throw out of the congregation. 3John 9-10

So if you don't want to hear the truth you can continue deceiving yourself!

@ wumiwumi100
I know it's hard to forget about Jehovah's Witnesses Organization but one thing about me is how i think unlike most people who may be praising you for telling them stories about your past or former faith what interests me is your new found faith and what is happening there because i strongly believe that if you don't have anything new to share then there's no reason listening to you because everyone as in everyone have their past.

Thanks for your time!

PulsingPurple:
Former JW?
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Please check the screenshot below this guy's post.
This shows you don't have anything new to share ever since you left JWs.

Haba! When will you start living for your future and stop returning to what you left behind?

I was a Muslim but check all my posts on this forum all i share is my new found faith because there's nothing to write home about my former religion but if i have to keep seeking attention over my former religion then why did i leave in the first place?🤔

wumiwumi100:
See ehn, let’s call it what it is. Acts 17:11 makes it clear that the Beroeans were better than the Thessalonicans because they didn’t just swallow Paul’s preaching like akara and pap. They went home, opened Scriptures, and double-checked every single thing. That’s why the Bible praises them.

Now tell me if one religion today is truly “the truth,” why dem dey fear questions? Why dem dey brand people apostates just for checking history or cross-referencing Bible? If you claim to have truth, why are you afraid of being examined? Real truth no dey fear microscope. If something is truly the truth, then no matter how much you investigate, cross-check, question, or analyze it, it will remain the truth.

Paul himself said “Test all things, hold fast what is fine” (1 Thess. 5:21). If your “truth” can’t survive small examination, maybe it’s not truth after all.

There are millions of people leaving one religion for another yearly but one funny thing about the only true religion is that unlike converts in other religions who are having a lot to share about their new found faith deserters of true religion only remembers what they left behind it's like there is no way forward so they have to continue taking whoever listens to them backwards.
Imagine if all converts have to start telling people what they left behind then who will preach the Good News of God's Kingdom?

SarcasticWords:
Signs of a cult not a religion.

Ọmọ that's what the Jews called Jesus of Nazareth and he foretold that his real disciples will also be called a cult:

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25🤔

wumiwumi100:
This is not about being tired of one religion or running to another. It’s deeper than that. When an organization claims to speak for God, but later changes their own teachings that have already destroyed people’s lives, should we all just keep quiet?

Many brothers and sisters could not further their education because they followed the Governing Body’s advice. Today, the rule has changed, but those people are left with regrets. Speaking up about these things is not ‘accusing’ it’s simply being honest.

The Beroeans were praised because they didn’t just accept everything blindly (Acts 17:11). In the same way, asking questions and exposing errors is not rebellion, it’s love for truth.

Whether someone chooses another religion or not is a personal matter, but the wounds caused by wrong teachings deserve to be discussed. Silence is what allows the same mistakes to continue.

Those Beroeans were Judaists before they met Paul so they cross-checked the things Paul said about Christianity before switching over from Judaism to Christianity.
So if you're like the Beroeans please join a better performing group than the one you left just as they did nobody cares what your former religion taught what faithful people want to know now is your new religion and what you believe today!

FxMasterz:
This whole Epistle because of a simple question? Is Jesus King of Earth alone or of Heaven and Earth?

It's like your friend is here so you can start mimicking him meanwhile he's the one i was referring to on the other thread.

FxMasterz:
Oh, I see. Insertion to yield profitable results. But where are the profitable results? Child molestation is a profitable result?
My friend, leave religion and follow after God. In God alone is salvation.

Child molestation that's happening in your own area or lies you are told about the most peaceful organization? Matthew 5:11-12
Well if there is no version of the Bible in which TRINITY is written it's OK!

FxMasterz:
Why are you running away from the question? You already know the implications of answering that question, isn't it?

If God has not revealed Himself to you, you can do religion but you can never know God.

Is Jesus King on earth alone or King in Heaven and Earth?

Knowing God but no evidence other than mere arguments!

See the result of true religion:

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Please mention the name of your own church let everyone see what your faith has produced! Matthew 7:16-18

FxMasterz:
Lol. In your JW Bible I supposed. That's a strange insertion to fit your doctrines, isn't it?

Insertion to fit our doctrine or yielding positive results globally as Jesus foretold? Matthew 7:16-18

PulsingPurple:
Former JW?
(More more more more characters needed)

After leaving against God's Organization they want to accuse the group but don't know how to go about it again!

If you are tired of one religion what stops you from joining a better one?

engineerboat:
And I'm telling you with 100 percent assurance that You're wrong

No wahala i don hear you!

bixton:

The mere fact that certain verses are removed from your organizations bible, which is completely different from the KJV shows you're a competent follow follow of your organization.

So who told you the KJV has not been mistranslated and full of indoctrination?

You people have eyes but don't see ears you have but don't understand {Psalms 115:4-8} if you so much believe in one version of the Bible whereas it's not the original manuscript from the inspired writers Jesus said:

By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?  Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit.  A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit." Matthew 7:16-18

Translators of KJV did what they knew but there best is not good enough since the 16th century users of the KJV have failed to have the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10; 1Peter 3:8} there is no love among it's users {John 13:34-35} they are not zealous for fine works of preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom {Matthew 28:19-20} those who are known as preachers among them monetized the word of God! Matthew 10:7-10

So of what benefit is your KJV that you are rating above other translations when users of our own Bible are known global as WITNESSES of the fine works taught by the Prince of Peace? Isaiah 9:6; Act 1:8

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

FxMasterz:
Has anyone gotten a Bible version where The Faithful Discreet Slave is found?
Hey, I saw a post where you were jubiliating that I was banned. I wasn't banned actually, I was just busy and couldn't respond to comments.
You even cursed on that post saying, "no peace to the wicked". Am I now a wicked man for showing you the true Word of God? But your deceivers who have changed the Bible to suit their satanic doctrines which you hold dear as life are saints isn't it?
Everything I wrote in the OP are Scripture based. I took nothing from outside, yet you reject them and call me wicked, wishing me no peace. Let me shock you. I enjoy unprecedented levels of peace and tranquility, purely given to me by the Lord who said "My Peace I give unto you. Not as the world giveth." I enjoy Righteousness, Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost.

On that thread the highlighted belongs to a poster who keeps posting false accusations about God's organization so relax it wasn't meant for you.

Regarding the faithful and discreet slave Jesus mentioned it:

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?" Matthew 24:45

That's the small group Jesus promised us that we will rely on during this difficult endtime for spiritual food.

In another instance Jesus referred to them as the BODY which wise people will gather around them:

So in response they said to him: “Where, Lord?” He said to them: “Where the BODY is, there also the EAGLES will be gathered together.” Luke 17:37

So we believe in what is written in God's word!

FxMasterz:
My friend.
Is Jesus King of Earth only, or King of Heaven and Earth?

Has anyone gotten a version of the Bible where the word TRINITY is written?

bixton:
We are all entitled to our thinking.
In the resurrection day it doesn't matter wherever each one finds themselves.

OK then, so next time watch carefully before quoting people because we are competent students of God's word not follow follow!

HappyPagan:
When Christians bring their Sunday school to the classroom, there's a problem.

What are atheists doing in the classroom that's labeled "Christianity e.t.c."?
Do you also believe in God?

bixton:
I am very sure the parable of Lazarus who died and was in the bosom of Abraham and the rich who found himself in a place where he was asking the poor man Lazarus for water....
This is not included in your Bible or you have a different interpretation of it!!!!

Where was Abraham?
Has resurrection occured?
Has judgment taken place?
Is Abraham's bosom close to Hell?
What Good did Lazarus do?
What evil did the rich man do?
How many prophets lived with Moses?

You people just read without thinking of the meaning of Jesus' PARABLE! Matthew 13:13-15