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Caveatemptor:
The Jehovah Witness organisation to which you boast to belong has consistently predicted the end of the world and consistently and shamelessly failed woefully in their inane predictions.
This organisation created by Charles Taze Russell is the type of organisation you ask me to belong to?
An organisation of predictions and failure like Bet Naija gamblers?
Below are some of the Jehovah witness predicted years for the extinction of the world,beginning with the founder himself Charles Taze Russell and continued and perpetrated by his successor Judge Rutherford......
How can one belong to a predict and fail organisation, that has predicted the end of the world over TEN times.
The movement has at least 10 notable dates/periods where the end of the world was predicted or strongly expected:
1878, 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1975, and “before the 20th century ended (1914 generation).”

It seems you are really aggressive but try to address issues intelligently.

I also heard Jehovah's Witnesses predicted the end of the world so i became inquisitive but found that it's all lies that's what made me one of Jehovah's Witnesses today.
Please if you don't know the organization has a magazine they use to announce their beliefs throughout the world it's called "The Watchtower"
Do you have a copy of this magazine in which it's written that the world will end at so or so date?
I will love to be your friend if you can provide just a copy or excerpt in any of their magazines where it's stated that the world will end with a specific date in mind.
I don't want to view you as a confused person because you sound so sure of what you've been typing since the start of this thread but please don't let the case of Jehovah's Witnesses render what you've been typing all these while sound like you are not properly informed!

Righteousness2:
Lambah or no Lambah,
You Believe or you dont believe,
It doesn't matter. When you cross over without JESUS, you go Believe by Force. When you Crossover without JESUS, na your body go tell you.

You've turned God's to jokes in the eyes of all people!

No one is crossing anywhere at death it's oblivion the Bible stated it clearly:

For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.  Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

The only hope humans have that animals don't is everlasting life after the resurrection {John 5:28-29} RIGHTEOUS servants of God will be opportuned to continue praising God as they've been doing before while people who don't know the God of Abraham but lived by conscience will have to learn from them since they will be regarded as UNRIGHTEOUS.

So both RIGHTEOUS and UNRIGHTEOUS will be resurrected together in Paradise to rub minds {Act 24:15} but those who deliberately choose to be WICKED won't be remembered at all their grave will serve as their permanent residence! Psalms 9:17

God has no reward for evildoers other than DEATH {Genesis 2:17; Romans 6:23} and at death all sins has been fully paid for {Romans 6:7} so nothing more for evildoers after death!

Caveatemptor:
As usual no refuting the cold truth. No ability to deny that these facts are inside and about your religious book. Just the usual beating around the bush. Dodging the questions like the Artful Dodger. Going totally off point. Sad.

Are you human?
Do you think humans needs to be organized?

Caveatemptor:
It is all mind control tactics.

And an organized people shouldn't be under control shey?

Brenbentondiaz:
You were caught manipulating scriptures, and you came with this? Lolz.

He is SIMPLIFYING the English used by the translators because they don't know our modern day English.

RightChannel:
And you called yourselves Christians in that occultist JWs isn't it?
Acts 2:4, Acts 10:46, Acts 19:6, Mark 16:17, 1 Corinthians 12:10, and 1 Corinthians 14

This shows you expected members of JW to know everything in the Bible.
Why such high expectations? Matthew 5:14-16
Please quote the words as found written in your copy of the Bible for everyone to see that first century disciples of Christ were actually PRAYING in tongues!

Ọmọ this is about accurate knowledge not emotions so you are not making any sense using your emotions to replace truth.

Obeisance and Worship may have the same Greek word but when it's used for any other person apart from the true God the context will help you to know that worship belongs to Jehovah alone {Deuteronomy 6:4-6; Mark 12:29-30} as stated by Moses and Jesus who were both conferred with the title "god" Exodus 7:1; Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1

Ken4Christ:
You will never repent. Russell doctrine has consumed you such that you are trained deny truth that are clearly revealed.

The Father is the only True God manifested in Christ.

Tell me the verse below is not worship

Revelation 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb

Or this:

Revelation 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

And this

Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Jesus, the Lamb of God is evidently worshipped alongside with God the Father.

In the eyes of God all humans are equal so whoever does what pleases Him is acceptable to Him!

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. Act 10:34-35

Please can you present biblical backing for this praying in tongues thing?🤔

Since nobody knows your church there is no trace of this falsehood because you specifically mentioned the date you wish this your RAPTURE thing to happen.
The word RAPTURE never appeare in any version of the Bible yet all of you are carrying it in your heads mimicking it everywhere you go.
Though nothing is going to happen but what irritates me is when people like you come on line to point accusing finger at others calling them false prophets!

The word is OBEISANCE not WORSHIP as misinterpreted by most translators.
Jesus himself said about his father and our salvation:


Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. ‭John 17:3 NIV‬

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3 KJV

This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17:3 NWT

There is no sense in claiming you worship Jesus when Jesus never ask anyone to worship him so trinitarians who wants to brainwash their followers replaced the word OBEISANCE with WORSHIP to keep their followers in the dark i know you are aware of this but as a monetizer of God's word you won't tell the truth expecting everyone to come and pay you for your lies!

Ken4Christ:
See overwhelming evidence of Scripture where Jesus is worshipped. Angels were also commanded to worship Him

1. Matthew 2:11
"And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, AND WORSHIPPED HIM: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh."

2. Matthew 8:2
"And, behold, there came a leper AND WORSHIPPED HIM, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean."

3. Matthew 9:18
"While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, AND WORSHIPPED HIM, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live."

4. Matthew 14:33
"Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God."

5. Matthew 15:25
"Then came she AND WORSHIPPED HIM, saying, Lord, help me."

6. Matthew 28:9
"And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, AND WORSHIPPED HIM."

7. Matthew 28:17
"And when they saw him, they WORSHIPPED HIM: but some doubted."

8. John 9:38
"And he said, Lord, I believe. And he WORSHIPPED HIM."

More Scriptures

Angels were commanded to Worship Jesus

9. Hebrews 1:6
"And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM"

10. Revelation 5:11-13
"And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice, WORTHY IS THE LAMB that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing ...Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be UNTO HIM THAT SITTETH UPON THE THRONE, AND UNTO THE LAMB FOR EVER AND EVER."

11. Revelation 7:10
"And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, AND UNTO THE LAMB."

Note.
The word worship is translated from the same Greek word proskuneo even in instances where it was directed to God the Father.

Please, run away from your evil cult; Jehovah Witness and stop defending their lies.

TenQ:
The ignorant one who thought Jesus never whipped out the money chargers and traders! SMH!

Continue deceiving yourself!

Try to take your mind off anything to do with politics for at least four months and see how the way you look at people changes, politics always makes people hate people but the players are not real enemies as their supporters think!

Ken4Christ:
Answer the question: Are there not scriptures where Jesus is worshipped? Yes/No. Stop beating around the bush.

NO!
That's misinterpretation only the father is our God says Jesus himself! John 20:17

TenQ:
Fix your self delusion and ignorance
Pleeeeease.

Continue deceiving yourself!

Throughout mankind history apostates always turn against God's arrangement but unlike their ancestors Satan, Adam, Eve and Cain later apostates now claim they are on God's side but what is their IDENTIFYING MARK?

Note that after Satan, Adam, Eve and Cain rebelled against God they all had to stay away from whatever has to do with God's arrangement so all apostates hates organized form of worship where humble people works together to do God's will instead each apostate keep on seeking his/her own personal interest just as Satan, Adam, Eve and Cain did.
From time to time apostates are never organized in doing anything meaningful.
WHY?
Because each one will be asking for his or her own personal benefit instead of humbly submitting to whatever the whole association of faithful people agreed to do for the good of one and all.
That is why apostates can't form one religion peacefully hence after they leave true religion they are scattered just as Jesus foretold! Luke 11:23

TenQ:
Fix your ignorance!

Jesus sent his disciples out in search of peace loving people {Luke 10:6} but here you are always looking for Muslims to argue! 1Timothy 6:4
Jesus sent his disciples to speak in an harmless manner to people {Matthew 10:16} but you are always speaking abusively of other people's faith when they don't have anything to do with your beliefs.
Jesus said his disciples should humble themselves so that there can be unity among them {Luke 14:10} but you can't find any church because you find it really difficult to humbly learn yet you want to teach others therefore you have no church instead you are always here asking questions that you supposed to humbly ask those taking the lead in your church.

Now who is ignorant and arrogant at the same time?

OK, thank you ma, can you now get off my thread or i should block you so that you won't see my posts anymore?

budaatum:
You are not in anyway my concern, and my posting in this thread need not concern you if you don't want it too.

My claim, despite any corruption, is not the Bible's corruption, but the corruption of understanding the current Bible by people like you who can not see the difference between a creation in God's image, and a creation from mud.

Those created in God's image can not be created from mud, unless you want to claim your God is created from mud, which I doubt you'd dare.

Only those who want to subjugate others would peddle such nonsense. The slave owners in the United States did the same by not letting their slaves read at all, because reading is the result of eating fruits of knowledge. And we all know the result of them learning to read contributed to their emancipation, just as a God would want, and as Jesus taught.

So apostasy originated from those three rebels: Satan, Adam and Eve.

These three persons chose to liberate or free themselves from having anything to do with God and ever since then humans that came after them must choose either to be on God's side or on the side of rebels (apostates)

The first human born outside the garden of Eden is called "Cain" this man proved to be an apostate.
How?
Eve later realized that she had been thoroughly deceived {Genesis 3:13 compare to 1Timothy 2:14} so when she had her first child which is a male child
Eve thought this is the child who will destroy the evil snake that misled her as God said in Eden {Genesis 3:15} but she's wrong because the woman God was talking about isn't Eve.
Eve must have related what happened in the garden and why those angels stood at the entrance of the garden preventing anyone from entering that's why Cain felt he is the promised child but by the time himself and his younger brother each presented a sacrifice to God and God accepted Abel's offering Cain felt really sad and he decided Abel must not live. He eventually killed Abel and that made him the first apostate born outside the garden of Eden.

From that time the enmity foretold between those who will humbly and obediently follow God's orders and those who will give excuses for being rebellious began its fulfillment.

So how can we distinguish between the faithful, humble and obedient individuals and arrogant apostates?

To be continued...

TenQ:
Coming from a person who didn't know that Jesus flogged the buyers and sellers in the temple.
SMH!
You honestly deserve a heavy dose of the rod of correction: but it would still be a needless exercise as you wouldn't learn.
Have a nice day!

When you come out of your hole nobody disturbs you but then you think too much of yourself and when corrected you stylishly run away.

Are you now aware that temple and synagogue are different places?
Have you learned that Jesus never used a rod to beat anyone?

I always warn you to stay on your lane as Muslim trailer but arrogance won't allow you!

Madam all these are campaigns after the election, you said Bible has been corrupted so how is that my own concern?😟

budaatum:
Long before your Bible, which many accept has been edited and corrupted by JWs, the Torah itself was edited with lots of very bad bits removed, and translations had additions and omissions, and that's apart from those done when Christians got hold of it. So calling a book written and edited by human beings in itself, God's word, just shows how little you know. Notwithstanding, one can make it God's word with a godly understanding.

A God will not create different classes of human beings. And a God that does should not be worshipped by those created as lower class naked îgnorant slaves.

Amazingly, the story in the first 5 chapters of Genesis 1 teach people how to elevate themselves from ignorant naked slaves to creations in God's Image. One just need see Adam's supposed achievement of being elevated by Eve from naked ïgnorant mud into a self employed populator of the entire earth with human beings. But I guess some slaves need others to remain slaves like them, and would therefore peddle the îgnorance that they îgnorantly believe.

Jesus never taught such tripe, and would rather you know you are gods with usable senses, and not îgnorant believing mud. Hence the Word, which is not just the literal word as you believe, but the implications of what is believed and understood.

alpharoyalty:
Women marry for different reasons.
Some marry for money, fame, power, sex drive, beauty, maturity..... The list is endless.

This shows why many marriages break up easily, most men don't understand women generally they feel they are some type of stereotype creature that has only one characteristic so instead of studying the woman they want to marry before saying "i do" they just summarize the attitude of all women on one page!

TenQ:
It isn't Rod it is Koboko! SMH!

Walahi Talahi this is wahala Yaaaso!

Initially you said Jesus used a rod now you changed it to koboko.

Why aren't you people humble to learn for God's sake?

Madam, here is your stand saying the Bible has been corrupted so i don't have any further response for you since you feel God's word contradicts itself!

budaatum:
I am disagreeing with everything you wrote, and I am claiming the initial purpose described for humans as created in Genesis 1 has been corrupted by Genesis 2 when mud humans were created.

budaatum:
Max, I don't want to engage you at all. And in all sincerity, my response here is not to engage you, but to present an opposing view to yours for readers to consider for themselves.

The Bible is very clear for those who have eyes to see and can read.

The Image of God was created on day 6, and was told to rule the entire earth and subdue and multiply and be blessed, and to eat every seed bearing fruit, which clearly included the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. While the creation from mud was after God is written to have rested on day 7, which means on day 8 or afterwards, and it was ordered to work naked in a tiny garden, which is not the earth. And was told not to eat the fruits of the tree of knowledge, which anyone with a brain of their own in their head that they know how to use would see would make the creation from mud ignorant and unable to rule and subdue anything at all, not to talk of a garden they don't even own, or a earth they are too îgnorant to know exists or understand the implication of ruling.

Now, it does favour church leaders to have naked ignorant creations from mud in their churches that they can control and exploit. And I can see how many have been convinced a creation in God's image is the same as a creation from mud, but I know that ignorance and darkness can not forever overcome the Light of Knowledge and Understanding, and I have faith in the human ability to eventually use their own senses to see and reason.

England did it. They realised they don't need to be mud, and can be created in God's image, and it led to them creating an empire on which the sun never set. And I know we will too, once we abandon the îgnorant belief your sort peddle, and understand what we read with our own God given senses.

When you don't know the Bible but want to argue about what is in the Bible.

Well you lied Jesus never use a rod on anyone instead it's their animals that he rolled ropes together to drive out of the temple not even the synagogue it's like you don't even know the difference between the two!😟

TenQ:
John 2:15:
"And when he had made a whip of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;"

So you lied Jesus never used a rod on people it was their animals that he used a rope to drive out of the temple.
Please next time you want to lie watch out for the people you talk to not someone like me who knows exactly the Bible verse even before you quote it.

budaatum:
I am disagreeing with everything you wrote, and I am claiming the initial purpose described for humans as created in Genesis 1 has been corrupted by Genesis 2 when mud humans were created.

Surely it's not my case rather you have a different case you just want to engage me so go and argue with whoever you like out there if you disagree with the Bible how is that my problem?

budaatum:
No where in Genesis does it say, "and God created a serpent called satan", so smart people should wonder where that serpent came from. Was there another God creating somewhere else, perhaps?

What we can very clearly read is some humans were created in God's image to rule the earth and subdue and multiply and be blessed, while some humans were created from mud to slave naked in the Garden of Eden.

The images of God were not given any laws, while the mud was told not to eat fruits of knowledge. And the mud was lied to that he would die if he ate fruits of knowledge, and some will convince you he did die, like 800 years after eating the fruit that would surely kill him.

If I want to enslave you, I must use fear, and lies, and ensure you remain ignorant, and somehow, between Genesis 1 and 2, those things crept in, which is very likely considering the editing and rewriting and deletions that occurred to give us the book we read today.

If your God tells you fruits of knowledge will kill you, then I strongly suggest you question that God. And if your church preaches knowledge kills, then they perhaps just need you for tithes.

Jesus would not have been a slave owner, and he promised you the eternal life that the Genesis 3 God "placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life".

Hopefully, you can see the contradictions in the text, and therefore apply your own ability to critically reason, instead of mere believing what satans who want to enslave you want you to believe.

Madam please try to read people's posts carefully before jumping in to comment i wonder how you missed the highlighted in blue which answered your question!

MaxInDHouse:
Apostasy began in the garden of Eden when Satan initiated Eve who in turn initiated her husband and these three became rebels against God!
The purpose for which God created us is just one simple purpose: that they may have life and enjoy it to the fullest!

But then there is one thing God derives from creation: happiness as His creations are living fine and happily doing His will.
What is God's will?
For them to continue doing things in line with the purpose for which He created them so as long as they are living by the standard God set they will always make Him happy for being their Creator. So the word "WORSHIP" connotes being in agreement with someone always whether we know the reason or not!

Satan as a spirit son of God felt this idea doesn't make sense because all the glory and honor goes to just one person: our Almighty Creator. So Satan decided to get worshipers for himself at least for them also to start doing his will without questioning his authority. Of course he knew very well that this is not going to be easy after all the angels in heaven knew their Creator very well and the first human couple also knew their Creator.
From where will Satan now get his own worshipers since he can't create any living being?

That's what made him a slanderer because he needs to slander the Creator in order for the created to turn against God. Since the first human couple don't know any other intelligent being other than their Creator Satan needs to plan his scheme intelligently otherwise he will fail so he decided to speak with Eve the last creature made in Eden. Note that the order for Adam and his children not to eat the forbidden fruit was given only to Adam who passed on the message to Eve so she is the inexperience one here.
Satan didn't ask her directly what God said regarding the fruit instead he generalized the question:

“Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden?" Genesis 3:2

This statement actually came out from a creature that's not made to talk so Eve was amazed that the snake could talk she began responding:

“We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden. But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’” Genesis 3:2-3

It's time for Satan (the powerful angel using a snake as puppet) to hit the nail on its head:

“You certainly will not die. For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad" Genesis 3:4-5

Let's break down Satan's statement:

(1) No, God lied to you.
(2) There is nothing like death.
(3) God is hiding good things from you.
(4) By eating it enlightenment will come.
(5) You will become God on your own.
(6) You won't need anyone to tell set standards for you again instead you will be the one setting the standard for others.

And instantly Eve the inexperience one started having a change of heart then she took the fruit and ate it.

Hence Satan's mission is accomplished Adam love his wife so much that instead of waiting for God to see what happens to Eve he quickly ate the fruit too after all that's the creature God gave him as a helper so he will tell God "the helper you gave me said i can eat it" Genesis 3:12

So that is how apostasy began in Eden because the fruit signifies authority to set standards which belongs only to God but now that Adam and Eve have eaten it they can now prove how the standard they wish to set will bring lasting benefit.

From that time till today anyone following Satan's footsteps must slander those chosen to lead in worship just to create division among worshipers of the true God!

TenQ:
The Gentle Jesus sweetly used the rod of correction on those buying and selling in the synagogue.

Please can you quote the highlighted in any Bible version of your choice?

Thanks in advance Sir!

TenQ:
The Gentle Jesus sweetly used the rod of correction on those buying and selling in the synagogue.

Please can you quote the highlighted in any Bible version of your choice?

Thanks in advance Sir!

TenQ:
The Gentle Jesus sweetly used the rod of correction on those buying and selling in the synagogue.

Please can you quote the highlighted in any Bible version of your choice?

Thanks in advance Sir!