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When did Atheism becomes something to be preached?
I thought you people are advocates no meddling with other people's thoughts.
So when did atheists start telling people what to think or believe?😟

justlove91:
Sir, you can't understand anything through faith and if you understand something, you need faith to hold it as true.

You need to understand what FAITH is first before you speak about faith.

God is invisible so it's difficult to have faith in what you can't see but then how do we have faith today?

Well according the Bible there was a man named Abraham who was called by God and directed by God to do certain things. Does Abraham need faith before believing the voice he heard is from a living being?
NO!
Why did the Bible say Abraham put faith in God and it was counted to him as righteousness? James 2:23
Well this God promised Abraham some things and Abraham was seeing what God promised in progress so it's the progressive fulfillment that made Abraham to have FAITH in God that all what God promised is certain.
But what is the thing that doesn't require understanding?
That is LOVE because whether God's promises come true or not love comes unconditionally! 1Corinthans 13:4-7

So please Sir FAITH comes by hearing what makes sense! Romans 10:14

TenQ:
Don't change the subject
The Questions:
1. What are the names of the church founded by Stephen and Phillip?
2. Are they fake as according to your claim?

Don't change the subject:
The question i asked before you quoted:

Since this OP doesn't recognize any other pastor except Kumuyi of Deeperlife.
What church did this woman and her husband founded in Nigeria?

justlove91:
@Bolded
This is a contradiction,
If you understand something, you don't need faith.
If you have faith in something, whether you understand it or not is irrelevant, infact it is because you don't understand it that's why you need faith.
What you people don't understand is you're not obligated to believe or hold as truth whatever you don't understand or lacks evidence.

The highlighted is a misconception Sir Faith comes with UNDERSTANDING it's Love that believes all things whether you understand or not.

engineerboat:
How many Deeperlifers do you know.
Are you saying you've visited over 1mill Deeperlifers home to make your conclusion. You can believe all you want, fact will remain fact.

I believe what i see with my own eyes as applicable everywhere i go.
For instance i was a Muslim and became a lover of the Bible after reading the book but i later got converted as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. People used to post so much here about JWs just as i've heard in the past and it's due to been so inquisitive that i discovered that all what i've been hearing about Jehovah's Witnesses 98% are lies and misconceptions but when it comes to Deeperlife i have friends, relatives and neighbors who are Deeperlifers and i have never seen anyone saying what are typing here!😟

NOETHNICITY:
Regarding the bolded, Christians have had this illusion since 1000 years. Yet, it is more than obvious that the opposite is quite the case. Why do you have societies that were totally Christian (UK, Sweden, Finland , etc ) either become atheist or have the its population turning to Islam.

Faith is not a possession of all people {2Thessalonians 3:2} it's wrong saying a country is totally Christian even when Jesus walked the earth performing great miracles only a few among his people believe in him talkless of nowadays when there is no real miracles.
Real Christianity spreads not by birth but through zealous preaching and industrious teaching of the Good News about God's Kingdom. Matthew 10:7
Whoever is not a preacher of the Good News is not a Christian a believer must be one who preaches about God's Kingdom in his neighborhood that's the assignment Jesus gave his disciples which made observers in Antioch called them CHRISTIANS! Act 11:26

Fornication starts with looking lustfully at a woman or man that's not yours but it's complete when you engage in sexual pleasures with the person. James 1:13-15; 2Samuel 11:2
Jesus said when a man looks lustfully at a woman he has committed ADULTERY with her in his heart {Matthew 5:27-28} this is about a man who is already married to someone else {Job 31:1} and the same applies to a married woman who keeps looking lustfully at another man {Genesis 39:7} but before a man or woman could decide to marry they must have deep feelings for each other that's why Paul later wrote:
A wife is bound as long as her husband is alive. But if her husband should fall asleep in death, she is free to be married to whomever she wants, only in the Lord. 1Corinthans 7:39
Surely she won't want a man she's not attracted to and she must have had some feelings for him before then.
So what Jesus said regarding looking lustfully at a woman or man applies to married ones as for those who are still searching they will look, the young man will have to look carefully for the woman he can truly love while the young woman must look for the man she can respect deeply! Ephesians 5:33
However when you look lustfully at the opposite sex to the point of having deep feelings for her {Genesis 29:9-18} have it in your mind that he or she is single like you and within your reach so you can ask for her hand in marriage otherwise you may start having wrong desires! 1Corinthans 7:2

Preaching is tantamount to pleading with the listener as we try to reason with him or her from the scriptures Jesus who is the world's most wonderful counselor {Isaiah 9:6} have been studying humans for thousands of years {Proverbs 8:30-31 compare Matthew 23:37} so he knows the best way to drive home his message to benefit his listeners that is why he doesn't shout in the streets! Matthew 12:19
For the message to convince the listener deep down his/her heart we must create time for a discussion in which the listener will be free to ask questions! John 3:4

TenQ:
You seem to have forgotten that you said:
This is what happens when a Muslim claims to become a Christian without knowing Christ Himself

You people claim knowing Christ yet you can't present any group of persons that's practicing what you believe! Matthew 12:46-50
‭[quote author=TenQ post=136660911
Don't change the narrative
Like the church founded by Stephen and Phillip!? SMH!?
An example of your folly
The Question:
1. What are the names of the church founded by Stephen and Phillip?
2. Are they fake as according to your claim?[/quote]Catholics, Presbyterian, Methodist, Anglican, African, Pentecostal, Celestial, Cherubim and Seraphim just to mention a few all are churches with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.
So which one exactly did this woman and her husband brought to Nigeria?
Today a Deeperlifer brought the news to Nairaland whereas the same Deeperlifer doesn't count any preacher worthy apart from the founder of his own church.
No need disturbing yourself if you can't answer the simple question keep to yourself.

Jesus' assignment is two:
*He must come as a man to preach what God initially purposed for mankind and show how kind-hearted his father is then lay down his perfect human life as a propitiatory sacrifice to clear away the sin our first human parents brought upon us all. Matthew 20:28

* After his disciples have taken the message to all the corners of the earth Jesus will return with fury to destroy all those opposing the standard he set as God's anointed King! Luke 19:27 compare to Revelations 19:11-15

So the same Jesus who came the first time to PREACH gently and humbly is coming back to DESTROY all disobedient humans! Matthew 25:41-46

Weda unah gri àbí unah no gri wetin tru kristiens tok be sey na to live foreva God promis everibodi wey dey do him will?

Please among the so called Christians who is Jesus?
God's Son or God Himself?

If we come knocking on their doors they will be claiming:
They are born again.
They have their own church.
They are busy.
But now he wants to claim there is more than everlasting life as reward.

Jesus taught us that no matter how long anyone have been serving God the reward is the same! Matthew 20:1-15

SarcasticWords:
False.I can see that your seven leaders in warwick are doing a poor job. Assignment: Read 2 corthians 5:10.
I know you love to argue and dislike taking correction so this is the last time I will reply you.

My guy go and continue your arguments with different religionists you counted as Christians yet each time you are here arguing with the same set of people over Jesus matter.

If all of you here have church where we can trace the teachings you won't come arguing with the same people you counted as Christians.

God has nothing more for humans other than EVERLASTING LIFE that is what none of Adam's descendants deserves so God called it undeserved kindness or in other words Grace.

SarcasticWords:
Eternal life is the base promise, yet extra rewards are given too. Revelation 22:12 says, “My reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”

Eternal life is for virtuous people and eternal death is for wicked people.

No more no less!

SarcasticWords:
Eternal life is sure, but there are added rewards.
Matthew 16:27 says the Son of Man will reward everyone according to their works.

This is why i always ask for the name of your church.

The only gift God had for Adam's descendants is EVERLASTING LIFE. Psalms 37:29

Jesus was talking about the WORKS that people do which is either good or evil and since Jesus is the same person who will call the dead back to life he will only call the virtuous {Job 14:13-15} back to life but as for those whose works are wicked Jesus won't raised them back to life! Psalms 9:17

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. ‭John 3:16 NIV‬

God has only one gift for all Adam's descendants it's what Adam lost and that is the opportunity to live forever!

TenQ:
Don't change the narrative
Like the church founded by Stephen and Phillip!? SMH!?
An example of your folly

Continue deceiving yourself.
Can you name the church you are associating with?
NO! Because there is no single church out there that you can vouch for their teaching.

engineerboat:
I didn't also seek for your validation, he that did not goes to another man's farm will say his father's farm is the biggest.
You can believe all you want but fact will always be fact, and truth will always be truth.

Sorry Sir, in this case everyone knows you are lying because i've lived over four decades after the no TV issue with Deeperlifers and nobody ever said he knows a Deeperlifer who kept his or her TV set back then!😟

engineerboat:
Read my response, this time slowly...THERE ARE MANY AND MORE THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE.....
Did you find that line

Well i have many Deeperlifers around me back then both as neighbors and relations who are well to do in fact they burned their TV sets.
That's why nobody can believe you here!

You have all turned against your religions yet claiming Christians after deserting those who introduced the religion to you yet you are claiming you still belongs to the religion.
Well we will continue telling you the truth whether you like it or not!

paxonel:
Bible is saying A, what you see is Q because of your infatuation with an a false group called Jehovah witnesses

Why not prove what the Bible say nah?

This is what you typed on a thread:

paxonel:
These were the real soul winners!
Not the ones we have today in private jets who had refused to take the gospel of Jesus Christ to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Yemen and Iran but keep disturbing fellow local Christians with their noise of prosperity that anyone can achieve

Are you saying this type of famous people aren't into missionary work again?

Thomasankara:
[/color]so what is the name of the church founded by Jesus [color=#770077]

You have to find out today because there are thousands of different religions claiming Christians with their contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines. So if you don't care to know it's OK but the truth remains that Jesus never founded a group that's contradicting themselves in teachings! John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10; 1Peter 3:8

TenQ:
Like the church founded by Stephen and Phillip!? SMH!

The church back then had the same line of thought so they called them by the name of their location but today you will have twenty churches in the streets all shouting with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines yet claiming it's all from the same teacher: Jesus.
That's why they have labels to help people know their founder and what they are taught.

In the first century you don't needs to tell anyone that you are a Christian they will know you in the neighborhood.

How?

You must join other disciples in the house to house preaching within your locality {Matthew 10:11-13} which means people will always see you while you are with other disciples of Christ and tell those who don't know your face that you are one of those preaching and teaching disturbing neighbors with the message of God's Kingdom.

So there is no hideout for anyone who is a Christian back then but today different religions are all claiming Christians!

engineerboat:
All you hear about are hearsay, they are not his instructions. There are many and more than You can even imagine,
Hence I told you assumption is dangerous and deadly,

Why did you dodge the question?

"Did you know any Deeperlifer who kept a television set in his or her home back then?"

Emusan:
Is that what Watchtower is doing as well with their recent new light?
Well, as Kumuyi never claimed ALL his guidelines are from God, Watchtower over the time mostly claimed divine inspiration for their own rules or predictions.

Watchtower said God's Kingdom is near just as John the baptist said {Matthew 3:2} just as Jesus of Nazareth said {Matthew 4:17} and commanded his disciples to continue proclaiming! Matthew 10:7

What Watchtower proclaimed is the same thing which means the message is divine not man-made unless you want to condemn John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth who started proclaiming this message since 2,000 years ago because they both said it's NEAR and ever since then all faithful worshipers of God are eagerly anticipating and earnestly praying for it as instructed by Jesus himself! Matthew 6:10

engineerboat:
Assumption is very dangerous and deadly. That's not common knowledge but misinterpretation and misrepresentation

Did you know any Deeperlifer who kept a television set in his or her home back then?
Because if there is none then you can't convince people that all the members of his church misinterpreted what their pastor said o!

paxonel:
Salvation is like a group, it is actually a group of nations.

Little wonder the new testament described churches as church in places.
Eg The church in Ephesus, The church in Corinth, The church in Rome etc.

We have one church in Nigeria and that church is the church in Nigeria.

Therefore, if anyone come the church and start doing altar call, please resist it

Salvation and condemnation both starts with the congregation (church) but there is only one religion that stands for what Jesus taught in the Bible this religion was recognized by their activities which goes exactly the same way Jesus did that's what led some observers in Antioch to call his disciples: CHRISTIANS Act 11:26

Today different religions are claiming Church of Christ but in the first century all the disciples of Christ had one line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10; 1Peter 3:8} so if anyone refuses to abide by the teachings of the small group that's in Jerusalem back then such a person or group of persons will be shunned! Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11

That is how they were able to maintain the oneness throughout where they are since every teaching and doctrine comes from the small group in Jerusalem.

Today what people call Christianity is different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming believers in Christ because they protested due to oppression by the religion that began in the year 590 C.E known as Catholic Church. This religion is political in contrast with the real group Jesus commissioned in the first century who had nothing to do with worldly politics! John 17:14-16

So there is just one group representing Jesus in Nigeria today but it's a pity that just as other religions hated Jesus' group in the first century that's the same kind of hatred they have for this group today.

Why did all religionists hate Jesus' group back then?

Well Jesus claimed he is the Way to Salvation {John 14:6} as predicted by a prophet in ancient Israel {Isaiah 35:8} and as their founder said his disciples were also claiming that it's only within their group people can get salvation since they are the only people who knew what Jesus taught and going about from house to house and door to door teaching whoever gives them a listening ear! Matthew 10:11-15

Ken4Christ:
Hell fire is not an idea. It is scriptural. Jesus spoke about it more than any other subject in such a manner that it couldn't be misinterpreted.

What Jesus said was misinterpreted by people who don't know how to preach.

They borrowed the idea of Hellfire from Greek philosophers and interpreted what Jesus said according to what they borrowed. In the original text Jesus was talking about two different things:

Sheol: Which means common grave or the land of the dead where there is no activity. Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

And

Gehenna: A valley behind Jerusalem in which the refuse and carcasses of dead animals were thrown back then.
Jesus used this to symbolize the condition unrepentant evildoers will find themselves. In ancient Israel dead criminals are thrown into Gehenna since the Jews believe their God will not bring back the dead of unrepentant evildoers! Psalms 9:17

So what Jesus said was misinterpreted!

johnstin:
100% sure.

By the time we die, we will all know that there is Heaven and hell.

I witnessed a guy that was passing away in the hospital sometime ago.

The guy, lived recklessly in sin, and on his sick bed, was already feeling the heat of hellfire.

He was screaming that we should throw him in a river, shouting that the heat was too much.

We were pouring water on him and giving him water continuously, but he wasnt even feeling it.

I was praying for him for like 5 hours but had to quickly go somewhere.

When I got back, I didn't meet him at his space.

I called the man, that brought him and he said he died shortly after I left.

I was pained, knowing he most likely ended in hell.

His death still pains me till today, although we were not close like that.

We will all find out that there is Heaven and hell, but for some people, it will be too late!

There is nothing like that in God's word the churches borrowed the idea from pagan Greek philosophers!

geoworldedu:
I am waiting for you to nullify the idea of hell fire. That's when I will start taking you seriously.

The word "HELL" is English while "HADES" is Greek meaning of the Hebrew word "SHEOL"

Just type:
What is the meaning of the Hebrew word "SHEOL" in any search engine.

In Hebrew, SHEOL (שְׁאוֹל) refers to the underworld, the realm of the dead, or the grave, a shadowy place of silence and separation from God where all people, both righteous and unrighteous, go after death. It is often described as a land of deep darkness and gloom, a temporary state before a future resurrection in later Jewish thought, and is not a place of eternal punishment like the concept of Hell developed later in some cultures.
SHEOL/HADES:
These terms, primarily used in the Old and New Testaments respectively, often refer to the general realm of the dead or the underworld. They can be seen as a place of waiting or a general state of the dead, rather than a specific place of punishment.
GEHENNA:
This term, frequently used in the New Testament, is often linked to the valley of Hinnom outside Jerusalem, a place where refuse and dead bodies were burned. In this context, GEHENNA is often used to describe a place of fire and punishment, representing a final, eternal separation from God for the wicked.

The churches later borrowed place of torment from pagan traditions not from the Bible!