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Dantedasz:
No one takes you guys seriously.

No one where?
Well perhaps i need to show you people on this same forum who have said great things about JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES:

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Try to think before talking because these are more than five on this forum alone when you said NO ONE!

tctrills:
If you don't believe the bible, I don't know what to tell you. It says clearly that a married woman can't marry another man except her husband is dead. It says the same thing in you JW bible. I just read it. So do we believe you or do we believe Paul the Apostle?

"All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean" Matthew 7:12


Whatever is good for the goose is equally good for the ganda!

Since you won't allow for reasoning it's OK keep whatever you think you know to yourself God's organization has proved to the world that everything in the Bible is indisputable truth and there is nothing you can do about it if you're not ready for reasoning no one is forcing you!

Goosethetruth:
Anonymous gospels with no names of the authors NOT written in Aramaic but in Greek language. Research the history of your religion. Jesus wrote NO single text with his hand before he died. Neither did he build one church. None of the writers of the four gospels were witnesses to the Jesus ministry. The gospels are myths written from oral traditions and the the seven authentic letters of Paul over 60 years after the death of Jesus. Both the undisputed letters of Paul and the disputed letters of Paul preceeded and were written before any of these anonymous gospels! Mathew,Mark,Luke and John are NOT the names of the writers of these anonymous texts called the gospels. Nobody knows who really wrote those books,hence the numerous contradictions of stories of the same events.
Accept knowledge and enlighten yourself through research. Don’t gobble up all you read on Awake,Watchtower and other Jehovah witness false doctrines and propaganda. Educate yourself.
My last response to you.

Boomark:
They are using idea to derail the topic. Don't mind them. It is frustration because they don't know what to say again.

The Bible God is the supreme being that all creatures must submit to that is how the title works once there is confusion in that worshipers can't be organized.

That's the secret!

Comprehension skills!

Someone invited me for a discussion and i demanded something.

Please did i invite you for a discussion regarding what i believe?

So whatever you believe is strictly your business and not mine just as whatever we believe is strictly our business.

Do you understand now?

Gabrielshow24:
Probably your lack of "com-prr-heen-sion" is at play. You asked for the mention of Trinity in the bible as a yardstick yet your hypocritical self didn't see that you commit the same fallacy by saying "Jesus is Michael" when there is no such occurrence in the bible! 👀

Do we need to enlighten you on simple logic?
Trinity is a term used for the concept of God found within the bible! If I press you further you will use some false equivocations to show the existence of Jesus as Michael 😂—your "concept" 🤔👀!

Kindly learn and save our time!

Gabrielshow24:
that's your MO😂. Kindly show us the verse that said so? 😁

Who preached that to you nah?

If a group agrees on anything among themselves it's until they try to force it on others it's strictly their business.

So if the OP didn't mention my name TRINITY is the business of its adherents and not my business!

@ SIRTeee15
I've told you to ignore this guy otherwise he will continue typing what pleases his cohorts as if that's the truth.
So the best thing to do is ignore him after all he's running away from questions therefore let him continue with his friends the Gospels has no rival as far as truth is concerned!

Gabrielshow24:
Before we reply you, kindly show us where Jesus was called Michael in the bible🤔!

Who preached that to you?

tctrills:
Did you avoid the verse I quoted? In case you did, please read this in your JW bible to see if it says something different.
Romans 7:2–3 –
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth... So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress...

No law forbids both from marrying more partners Christianity is speaking to both genders!

oridavid:
Jesus went the spirit world to teach spirit the gospel so that even spirit can repent and be saved

This is a misconception nobody preach to spirits what the scriptures is saying:

The death of Jesus who is a god means warning for all other gods!

Dtruthspeaker:
Jws will never stop Lying.
Apart from Deuteronomy 17:17 and the fact that after that Law you cannot see an Isrealite with 2 wives again, the next question is how can a married man marry a second wife without committing adultery?
Especially as you remember the crime of adultery starts from the eyes and heart, so how can a married man do polygamy without breaking the Law?

You're so restless that you can't even see sarcasm.
I'm against polygamy but if anyone said i should quote a law word for word that says polygamy is a sin then let them quote a law word for word that says polyandry is sin!

tctrills:
So your point is that you decide for God what is sin right?
For me, I allow God decide what is sin, you see the difference?
I can also make the stretch that monogamy is sin using your logic of deciding whatever you wish as sin. But rather, I stick to the revelations.
Let me add
2. Romans 7:2–3 –
"For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth... So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress..."

There is no law forbidden both so i'm not against either side!

tctrills:
So let's be honest here. Gods children do not make laws for him. He gives us his laws and we obey.

No verse in the bible, old or new condemn polygamy. For all the wives David had, not was considered a sin unto God except for the one the took from another man.

Please let's not depend on guesswork to determine what pleases God. Let us learn to live by revelation.

No verse condemns either polygamy or polyandry so both genders can marry multiple partners a man or woman is financially capable let them marry as many partners as they want!

rottennaija:
Quote governing body first.

Call the body overseeing the affairs of your religion anything you which nobody is forcing it on you!

oridavid:
Would Satan and demons be saved if they believe in Jesus?

Jesus can only save imperfect humans not rebellious spirits!

Satan and demons were formally angels in heaven and they are perfect creatures. Adam and Eve were also perfect humans so Jesus can't save them that's why God's word said:

“Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels." Matthew 25:41

Destruction is what awaits Satan and his demons there is no way they can be redeemed because they are the reason why God declared everlasting destruction but as for imperfect humans there is hope!

Boomark:
I believe they are still confused on how to start and never look like antichrist. They have rejected everything that Christ.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 HCSB
[11] For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe what is false, [12] so that all will be condemned — those who did not believe the truth but enjoyed unrighteousness.
They have become deluded and are still making efforts to prove themselves right against God's word and words from Christ himself.
The next thing you will see from them is insults. That's how the antichrist works.

If the word "TRINITY" is not written in the Bible then there is nothing to debate but aimless arguments!

Chilipepper:
I'm asking this for the last time: what exactly are we going to do in Heaven?

God didn't promise humans heaven the place He made for man is planet earth! Psalms 115:16

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Before i say a word let anyone quote the word "TRINITY" in God's word!

Job said:

“I have made a covenant with my eyes. So how could I show improper attention to a virgin? Job 31:1

"If my heart has been enticed by a woman And I have lain in wait at my neighbor’s door, Then let my wife grind grain for another man, And let other men have sexual relations with her" Job 31:9-10

Jesus said:

"But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a man/woman so as to have a passion for him/her has already committed adultery with him/her in his/her heart." Matthew 5:28

Is it possible to be a polygamist without first being adulterous?

AntiChristian:
He was a promiscuous man but Jehovah said he was perfect sha! And God didn't accuse him of plural marriage except for Uriah's matter. God never accused anyone of committing crime for plural marriages. Polygamy is not the same as adultery!

Jehovah never said David was perfect the point he was loyal to God and God's organized people that's the quality God cherish so much but regarding promiscuity David lacks self-control!

According to Job and Jesus it's adultery that leads to polygamy!

“I have made a covenant with my eyes. So how could I show improper attention to a virgin?" Job 31:1

"If my heart has been enticed by a woman And I have lain in wait at my neighbor’s door, Then let my wife grind grain for another man, And let other men have sexual relations with her" Job 31:9-10

"But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" Matthew 5:28

AntiChristian:
"Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. " 1 Kings 15:5.

David did what was right before Jehovah in the sense that to the extent he knew David lived by the laws except in the case of Uriah.
So had it been that David is not promiscuous he wouldn't have committed any crime therefore what led him to kill his neighbor?
David break the fifth, sixth and ninth commandments all because he couldn't control his libido.
So why did Jehovah love David so much?

It is due to his loyalty towards God's organization!

David so much love God's organization that he was ready to lay down his life for God's name and His people he said:

“What will be done for the man who strikes down that Phi·lisʹtine over there and takes away reproach from Israel? For who is this uncircumcised Phi·lisʹtine that he should taunt the battle line of the living God?” 1Samuel 17:26

The highlighted in blue shows how loyal David was to God's organization and His Holy name.

The same quality Jesus' disciples saw in Jesus when he walked in the temple! John 2:17 compare to Psalms 69:9

So it was David's undivided loyalty to God and His organization that made God love this man so much but he was a promiscuous man who can't control his libido!

AntiChristian:
The way your Jehovah behaves is somehow...
He creates people with laws and leaves them to learn by themselves!
God simply permitted it.

The highlighted is where you missed it!

God never created people with laws otherwise you can quote the LAWS God gave Adam and Eve in the beginning when He created them.

It was after their rebellion that God drove Adam and Eve out of the garden He prepared for them {Genesis 3:22-24} and from that time God allowed humans to live by conscience without any laws for more than a thousand years before He later searched throughout the earth to pick Abraham who stood out as a loyal man with dignity.

The laws were given to the Israelites in another 500+ years after Abraham and in those laws what God provided was all about love for God and for neighbor {Mark 12:29-30} God never included in His laws for a man to marry more than one wife He left that for the descendants of Jacob to use their own discernment after all they knew what Abraham and Jacob their ancestors experienced as a result of polygamy!

AntiChristian:
He can't even get married and set an example. Christians no suppose marry at all!

You need to be sincere with yourself and try to reason like someone who is free while choosing what you call FAITH IN GOD!
Jesus set the fine example about faith in God that's why his audience said:

“If that is the situation of a man with his wife, it is not advisable to marry.” Matthew 19:10

They remembered what a prophet of God foresaw regarding the new covenant that will be established that says instead of a lengthy scripted rules God will write His laws in their hearts {Jeremiah 31:33} and this prophet never married so by the time Jesus was saying all these things and didn't marry they said this must be Jeremiah resurrected {Matthew 16:14} because Jeremiah was the last prophet the Jews had before the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 b.c.e so when this one also came at the time the nation needed to repent and did not marry they concluded "it's advisable not to marry (until God's Kingdom come)" Matthew 19:10

Jesus told them that marriage as set by God in the beginning is the best standard! Matthew 19:4

So our model man didn't marry but has given us the secret of a blessed family which is one man one woman!

SIRTee15:
The issue I have with people like them is they don't want to learn. They have watched some YouTube videos that have brainwashed them to think Christianity is not true. Now they want to propagate that concept.
Ok fine, but listen to counterargument and learn from the evidence they bring. Scrutinize their evidence and see if it's the truth. But no, they just want to argue blin....dly and foo.....lishly. Anyway my question is still standing
WHICH CAME FIRST, THE GOSPEL OR PAUL'S LETTERS.
Goosethetruth ANSWER THE QUESTION

The funny thing is he's intolerant yet he's at the same time aggressive!

God promised to send another prophet like Moses to the Israelites {Deuteronomy 18:18} and this prophet will teach them the way of holiness {Isaiah 35:8} so whoever refuse to accept his teachings will be cut off from the everlasting blessings God intended for faithful people! Deuteronomy 18:19

God told Moses to tell the Israelites they should inculcate His laws in the minds of their children by living according to this laws {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} so it's not just about a written code but Israelite kids must learn as they observe their parents live by the laws.

But the Israelites failed to keep these covenant so God promised that the new covenant will not be like the first which is a written code rather the mediator will right it in their hearts {Jeremiah 31:33} therefore when Jesus walked the earth he didn't write a single law rather he lived by his own laws so whoever wants to learn about the new covenant only need to read Jesus' thoughts, words and actions that's why Paul could say about Jesus:

“who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, so that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ. 1Corinthans 2:16

This means they only heard God's law as written by Moses but nobody could say "this is what the Author had in mind" but in the case of Jesus Christ all those who have observed him can boldly say "we know what is in his mind" how? By reading his thoughts, words and actions.

So if anyone says Jesus didn't write anything such a person haven't studied God's word diligently! Isaiah 1:18

SIRTee15:
Fellow believers,
This is the exact reason I don't bother debating all these self-acclaimed bible scholars anymore on nairaland.
They are simply a waste of time because they don't answer questions. Most of them have these delusions that they have become experts in biblical criticism after watching some YouTube videos.
THEY NEVER ANSWER ANY QUESTION THROWN AT THEM, THEY JUST WANT TO ARGUE.
This guy came here and announced the gospel writers copied Paul letters and embellished them to develop the gospel.

NOW I'M ASKING HIM, IS THERE ANYTHING CALLED THE GOSPEL BEFORE THE EXISTENCE OF PAUL'S LETTERS.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING CALLED THE GOSPEL BEFORE PAUL EVEN WROTE HIS FIRST LETTER.
IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION, HE SHOULD ANWER IT.
WHICH CAME FIRST, THE GOSPEL OR PAUL'S LETTERS?
Goosethetruth, ANSWER THE QUESTION.

Some people just feel like advancing their opinion without respecting the opinion of others and the funny thing about them is they are intolerant yet they will continue to accuse anyone who tries to reason with them.
So after engaging him i discovered that he's only seeking to promote his ideas so to him those who aren't dancing to his tune are burying their heads!

Instead of making this guy angry why not leave him with his friends with whom he feels like sharing the same line of thought? If he doesn't believe the Bible there is nothing you can tell him most especially when he feels like convincing you against the book.
So it's better to allow him do his things with his friends! 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9

Jesus taught his disciples saying:

“You heard that it was said: ‘You must not commit adultery.’  But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Matthew 5:27-28

Surely whoever opt for polygamy has committed adultery with another woman in his heart while his first wife is still alive! Job 31:1, 9, 10

FreeIgboho:
What has any of this to do with the FACT Jehovah is a fake erroneously made-up name that's not the name of God at all?

They told you a lie you swallowed it hook line and sinker but you see proofs that only that name is opening doors to the achievements of what God promised in the Bible yet you're stubbornly hitting your head on the brick.
Who are those people that says Jehovah is a wrong name?
You keep arguing blindly.
What have they achieved with their translations?
You said it doesn't matter.
But you want those who are seeing the fine works of faith in JEHOVAH'S name to abandon the name for what faithless people say shey?

Well i've told you from the beginning of this thread:
I only engaged you because you mentioned my name at least you have seen now that you don't have what it takes to convince a JW against what we believe.
You're just arguing now like someone trolling you've lost it completely.

Next time don't mention my name if you are not ready to accept what Jesus taught.

Thanks for your time!

FreeIgboho:
Well, they lied to you - they're NOT Jesus’s real brothers. You're in a mild cult and you're talking of authority. You have seen serious Christian cults where they order members to sell everything they own and go about preaching with only a backpack!

You are dishonest so Jesus' prophecy regarding accusers of faithful servants of God matches you perfectly:

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master.  It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25

So whether you call them CULT or SATAN they have performed beyond expectations! Zechariah 8:23

FreeIgboho:
Even if it appears a million times it is still NOT the name of God at all. It is a mistakenly made-up name by people who didn't understand. You still haven't shown me anything JW invented, yet they smugly enjoy everything while pontificating!

Surely you have no regard for Jesus you are just walking aimlessly following unbelievers yet arrogantly arguing blindly!
Jesus said:
"This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me.  It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines." Matthew 15:8-9
The name that's PERFORMING you want to condemn because of what faithless people who have no reputation as far as God's promises is concerned says.

I'm sorry for you!