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paxonel:
You go wait tire!
You want a hunter that set a secret trap to declare where the animal can see the trap?
You are joking

So if your Abel Damina is also deceiving his audience where does that lives you?

Someone said Jesus is God and fearlessly speaks against most of your pastors and you welcomed everything he says as truth now you are saying he knows heaven doesn't exist and he will not declare it publicly yet you want people to believe he's still worthy of trust shey?

Ọmọ i told you from the onset that you don't even know what you're saying!

LordReed:
LMAO! This is too funny. Was this the whole world minus the Americas? Did Europe and the rest of Asia magically appear later? Dude get serious.

You don't believe the Bible yet you want to argue about what is in the Bible.

Please who is not serious here?

The Bible told us that life began in Eden somewhere around Iraq and that people started scattering after God confused their language and that shortly God chose a man (Abraham) and led him to a place where pure worship will be established in the ancient world.
Now i'm saying that place is the center of the ancient world where people from the east and west could know about the deeds of God Almighty and suddenly you appear to argue what you never believed.
If you're no longer satisfied with the likes you were giving your friend behind the scene you're free to join the discussion but that's the truth people has not scattered further than Europe and Asia when God established Israelites in the land of Canaan.
The center!

I'm waiting for Abel Damina to declare it publicly first!

paxonel:
He already knows

Do you think that all these pastors don't know the truth?
How many of them are ready to live a miserable life knowing that there is a better life beyond here?
non of them!

You see them driving flashy cars and living big, while their gullible poor church members are wallowing in poverty waiting for a better place called heaven that is beyond the clouds when they die

Tell me, is that not survival of the fittest?

https://www.nairaland.com/8152846/live-life-heaven-because-there

You said:
"Live your life because there is no heaven"

Go and convince Abel Damina that there is no place called heaven nah.
I'm waiting for you!

paxonel:
Abel damina have a better chance to understand what heaven is, because he well grounded with scriptures!
But jw?
You people are lost

DeepSight:
Canaan is not the centre of the world. Stop it.

Ọmọ nah Canaan dey center of the ancient world before people migrated to other parts of the earth when human rulers were dragging for power!

Are you ready to know the one and only true Christian organization?

tenderjunkie:
I’ve struggled for a while with how to express this, but I’ll try.

In Nigeria, Christianity is everywhere. Churches line the streets, and nearly everyone identifies as a Christian, myself included. But I’ve come to realize that while many wear the name, our beliefs couldn’t be more different. I’d even dare to say that over 90% of the Christians around me are deeply rooted in prosperity theology — a version of Christianity that fixates on miracles, wealth, emotional experiences, and flashy events.

This kind of faith celebrates spiritual theatrics over personal transformation. It idolizes church programs like the Hallelujah Challenge, The Experience, Shiloh, and others. Many believe in things like “miracle money,” a false hope that has been used by certain preachers to manipulate and mislead. Sadly, this ideology has deeply shaped how people think, live, and relate with others, including their view of God.

But I don’t see God that way. I believe in His power and His ability to do the miraculous, but I also know He is a God of discipline, accountability, fatherhood, responsibility, and planning. He’s not just a God who answers, but a Father who trains, corrects, and builds character. And that understanding has fundamentally shaped my approach to life, relationships, and faith.

The result? On the surface, it might seem like I can easily connect with other Christians. But beneath that surface, we often don't share the same core beliefs. And that difference matters, deeply. It affects how we interpret Scripture, how we pray, how we handle suffering, money, purpose, and even how we choose life partners.

Because of this, I often find myself silent during spiritual conversations with friends. Not because I don’t have convictions, but because I know some discussions will only lead to unnecessary conflict. It’s hard watching people who genuinely believe they know God but are, in many ways, more familiar with hype than holiness.

So for me, the journey of faith feels a bit lonelier at times. It’s tough to find deep spiritual community because my convictions often set me apart. But I’ve come to embrace it. I’d rather walk in truth with a few than blend in with the crowd for the sake of comfort.

If you’ve ever felt the same tension, like you believe in Jesus, but not the cultural version of Him, I just want to say: you’re not alone. Stay grounded. Keep seeking. The narrow path is rarely crowded, but it’s always worth it.

You haven't quote where Jesus said
"I am God" or "worship me"
That's what i'm asking please!

chimex38:
If Jesus had come with physical armour, foot soldiers, physical territory as a kingdom or personal miraculous powers to perform wonders to fight off opposition, he would have been straight forward, blunt and direct as he should.

I believe Jesus had come as a peasant, no connections, he had to deliver his divine identity discretely so he could last as long as he lasted border to deepen the law as much as possible; 3 yrs is even too short by any standard, yet Jesus was that impactful. This method of transcending to Earth also aligns with his teachings.

If He a peasant was as direct on his identity from his first day of his ministry he might not have lasted 2 weeks
The autocratic and military style leadership at that time was high. He needed as much time to fulfil his mission.

Jesus even acknowledged his figurative way of speaking in John 16:25. So one shouldn't expect direct blunt answers in such areas.
Can you explain Rev 1:17-18 from your NWT version to counter Pastor Damina?

paxonel:
https://www.nairaland.com/8468151/literally-heaven-only-exist-minds
what is heaven?

Agree with Abel Damina on the topic of heaven before coming to JWs!

LordReed:
It was not the center of the map either. Attached is an ancient Roman map of the world. Can you see where Canaan was on the map?

https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=E&prefer=lang&docid=1001070222
When did Rome became the world power?
And when did Abraham started residing in Canaan?
How many centuries is between Abraham's lifetime and Rome's conquest?

LordReed:
The Levant (Canaan) was not the centre of anything. It was not the centre of a major civilization, it was not the centre of a "world" empire, it did not have a major trading city, etc. It was not the centre of the ancient world.

Only America was excluded in the map of the ancient world from Europe to Asia people have settled and Canaan was the center back then.
Please check the world map and try to exclude America that Atlantic separated!

This your Abel Damina has condemned most of your pastors and many of you have called him names for that but now that he wants to talk about Jesus being God you're celebrating him.
Please how many of his church members are out there preaching from house to house and door to door just as Jesus commanded all his disciples?
Well Jesus has said about you people:

"This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me.  It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines." Matthew 15:8-9

Jehovah's Witnesses are worshipers of the God who sent Jesus because Jesus himself said:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

So Jesus is one of our brothers we all worship the same God Jesus is not our God!

paxonel:
So, all the scriptures quoted by the pastor in the video in support of the fact Jesus is God, is it that you deliberately refuse to see it?
That's why jw remains scam

Why don't you people have any conscience at all?
You want to argue about Jesus being God or not yet you say heaven doesn't exist when the same Jesus talked extensively about heaven. Matthew 6:19-21; John 14:1-3

https://www.nairaland.com/8468151/literally-heaven-only-exist-minds

Sometimes it's good to know that most people like you are fake yet pretending.

paxonel:
The same Jesus that he said he is not God?
Now tell me, do you worship Jesus or you mere honour him?

You don't even know what you are saying but that aside please quote where Jesus said he is GOD or where he asked anyone to WORSHIP him?

paxonel:
Obviously, Charles Russel was a mentally derailed fellow who was cut-off from reality and infest thousands of people with his faulty assumptions

Charles Taze Russell that's sitting right beside Jesus Christ in heaven.
Ọmọ learn the truth and stop deceiving yourself!

So atheists are your BRETHREN.
That's really amazing!

He is just joking with whatever comes his way.
Kasongo bona wewe!

AlbertNewton:
Well, according to what is recorded in the bible, the reason why god promised the land of Canaan to the Israelites is NOT because it's in the center of anything (you're the one making this up!), it was simply because it was a land flowing with milk and honey .
According to the bible, his "worshippers" were slaves in Egypt for many decades before they miraculously escape one day. Why do you think this is sufficient to make the other nation fear him and abandon their lands (which they have been living in for centuries) for his people ? A god that his own people often rebel against!

This is why i told you that you need to study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses!
Before Abraham started residing in that place the opposite side of the land was far better as in richer in resources that Canaan! Genesis 13:9-12
So Lot chose better a place than Abraham but God promised to bless Canaan for Abraham much more than the other side that Lot chose! Genesis 13:14-18

AlbertNewton:
Don't you think it's a very serious problem if I can only come to understand or learn the truth of the Bible by studying with the "His Witnesses" ? Why should the truth about something so vital be difficult to access?

The Bible is easily accessible to everyone but due to the confusion created by devil and his demons you need God's servants to help you gain insight into the word of God. Billions are claiming Christians yet fighting and killing themselves when Jesus commanded his disciples to have love among themselves! John 13:34-35

AlbertNewton:
Why couldn't an all-powerful god that supposedly created trillions of galaxies (with billions of stars in each galaxy, and tens of planets around each star) simply turn the wilderness to a permanently habitable place for the Israelite rather than having them murder other people to occupy their lands (which were flowing with milk and honey ) ?
Wouldn't converting the wilderness to a fertile land flowing with milk and honey be a more sensible way for god to demonstrate his power ?
And again why was it difficult for this god to make a tiny nation of Israel to obey him ?
Wouldn't it make more sense if god made ALL the people of the world HIS people at the same time rather than choosing a single nation (who he had to threaten to destroy so many times) ?
You see, the stories recorded in the bible about god's actions don't let me see him to possess enough intelligence to have created a single planet, let alone the universe!

I told you already but it seems you aren't reading what i typed!
The land of Canaan is the center where the ancient world could easily notice God's people so it's not about milk and honey but the center of the ancient world!

AlbertNewton:
How many Muslims do you know that have converted from Islam to JW? And doesn't Islam itself have answers to the questions you listed up there?

Millions among JWs today are from Islam because we don't believe Jesus is God but a servant of God that alone gave JWs and Muslims a common ground.
I can bet it that no Muslim can answer those questions without telling you things that doesn't add up yet claiming you shouldn't question their Allah for whatever he does!

AlbertNewton:
To the best of my knowledge, converting from Islam to JW is rare, and that is why I'm interested in hearing about your conversion story ?
Did you make findings about all the available Christian denominations and decided JW is the best ? I believe you can see the reason for my curiosity.

No single Muslim with a sincere heart can listen to JWs without converting because there are three things Muslims hold against the churches of Christendom:
There is only one God not Three in one.
Jesus is a prophet not God.
God doesn't allow women to lead men in worship.
Churches only spew what their pastors told them so if you ask them thought provoking questions they get provoked as you can see for yourself on this very thread.

AlbertNewton:
So essentially you're saying that if I'm not a JW member (nor a Christian) and I don't even worship God , I can still make "heaven" as long as I live "righteously" ?
How do you interpret John 14:6 ?

I myself i'm not going to heaven forget this misconception it's everlasting life on planet earth that God promised righteous people. From the moment you discovered that there is a group doing what benefits all races whatever makes you speak against them means you need not another opportunity which will be given to people who lived by conscience.
So your judgement starts from the moment you know the difference between truth and falsehood if you refused to take a stand for truth it means no second chance.
For your information a second chance will be given to people who don't know the difference between falsehood and truth a thousand years after which all evildoers will be destroyed forever.

Please clap for yourself and let me have your account details for this wonderful discovery!

WowSweetGuy:
Because Dinosaurs were before human existence.. Before God converted earth to living hood for man. Human wrote the bible

It's a secret but since humans are fond of believing in whatever they can see it'll be difficult for them to believe that such creatures never existed!

noobaland30:
2 Kings 8:26 (NIV)​
"Ahaziah was 22 years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem one year."

2. 2 Chronicles 22:2 (KJV)​
"Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem."

Translator's error not of inspired writers. Bible translators made a lot of mistakes!

A·ha·ziʹah was 22 years old when he became king, and he reigned for one year in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Ath·a·liʹah the granddaughter of King Omʹri of Israel. 2Kings 8:26 NWT (Jehovah's Witnesses Bible)

A·ha·ziʹah was 22 years old when he became king, and he reigned for one year in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Ath·a·liʹah the granddaughter of Omʹri. 2Chronicles 22:2 NWT (Jehovah's Witnesses Bible)

AlbertNewton:
So one of my main issues with the biblical god is promising the land of other people to the Israelites and eventually ordering the Israelite to murder everyone in those lands. As a believer in a "loving" god, how do you rationalize this act?

This is a flimsy excuse!
I told you what happened but it's obvious you just feel like accusing the Bible God for what the nicest person you can think of would have done.
Go through the world map today and you'll see that the land of Canaan is in the center so that people in the East and those in the West could learn from them the standard God set.
The whole earth belongs to this God and choosing a portion to establish His worship can't be ruled out so after sending a warning signal to all the inhabitants of Canaan whoever dares Him is ready to die.
Of course people back then only obey the God whose worshipers are the mightiest army therefore what made the inhabitants of Canaan back then think they can stop the Almighty God and His worshipers?

Soon the Wild Beast (political system) will destroy (ban) Babylon The Great (world empire of false religion) and it will remain the only true religion!

netricoin:
The prophecy has meaning. It say of what will happen to israel in d BC era, and what will happen to israel in d AD era. When u say spiritual israel, God don't see these present israel as fake, d are still in God plan

Do you believe in what God's Son said about Israel?

Jesus said he about Israel:

"This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits." Matthew 21:43

"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you." Matthew 23:37-38

The highlighted in red shows God is no longer interested in the nation of Israel so whenever we read God's promises about Israel in the Old Testament know now that such promises applies today to the spiritual Israel.

Paul made us to understand that the name "Israel" no longer applies to the nation called "Israel" rather it applies to BORN AGAIN Christians the group that took over that glory @ Pentecost and anyone who is part of them! Romans 2:28-29

netricoin:
the book of daniel 9:25-26 did say that in d last days it'll b a time when israel will have strong defences, an e.g 0f these was in 2011 when israel began operating d iron dome air defence. It also say that it'll be a time of israel trouble, an e.g of these was in 2020 when israel was trouble with d coronavirus after which israel has been trouble with war.
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That prophecy is about spiritual Israel not the nation people know today called Israel!

AlbertNewton:
The claim about the biblical god's existence or inexistence is difficult to prove absolutely. So at the end of the day, everyone is left to believe or disbelieve whatever makes sense to them based on the evidence available to them. I examined the evidence (the stories and accounts in the bible) and I'm not convinced that such a stupid, petty tribal god could be the creator of this wonderful universe. It is just as simple as that.
How did the biblical god exhibit the fruits of the spirit you mentioned when he was commanding the Israelite to occupy the lands of other people and to slaughter every living thing they find on those lands: animals, children, women etc ? Deuteronomy 20:16-17.

This is the reason why i said you haven't studied the Bible with His Witnesses!

God wanted to restore paradise on this planet but first He need a place where people who knows His standards will stay as an example for all other nations who doesn't know Him so He allowed the Israelite (chosen nation) to be enslaved in the world's most powerful nation (Egypt) then He went to Egypt with two feeble octogenarians to release His people without a military force.
So tell me between such a God and those stubborn nations who refused to leave Canaan for Him after hearing what He did to Egypt who is WICKED?
Remember that all the nations back then believe in their Gods because they feel it's these Gods that's helping them to win battles so if the God of Israel can conquer Egypt without a military force is that not enough warning sign for them to leave Canaan for His worshipers?

AlbertNewton:
Jeremiah 7:31 is talking about something completely different, the verse is not relevant to any discussion about hell fire. Perhaps you should take some time to read the entire chapter and understand the context.

God said the thought of roasting people in fire never occurred to him!
That's the point.
Why?
Only sadists can't look away from errors whereas the Bible God is always happy to see nice people {1Timothy 1:11} but as for evildoers He knew it's not their fault rather most are molded by the circumstances they find themselves so He keeps pleading with them for a change {Isaiah 1:18 compare to {Ezekiel 34:11} so when any evildoer makes a u-turn God wipes their errors without remembering it again! Psalms 103:10-14

AlbertNewton:
A more relevant verse is Matthew 25:41-42. Read that and tell me what it means.

This is an illustration!

AlbertNewton:
Yeah, I'm truly shocked to know you converted from Islam to JS. Your case is certainly an exceptional one. I'm curious to learn about the circumstances that led to your conversion, if you don't mind to share.

You're wrong here!
Because all normal people ask questions like:
How did life begin?
Why are we here?
Why do innocent people suffer?
What happens to us when we die?
Will suffering ever end?
If 98% love peace why do much wars?

All these questions Jehovah's Witnesses answered convincingly so what stops me from becoming one of them?

AlbertNewton:
In any case, the point I was trying to make is that the vast majority of people generally end up following whatever religion they are born into. (Why do you think this is the case by the way?). And if a person's religion is now an important factor that determines whether they go to heaven or hell, this means those who are born into the wrong religion (through no fault of theirs !) will at a great disadvantage. This doesn't seem to me like the system a loving and intelligent god will use to punish or reward people.

God loves people so there is a provision for sincere and honest hearted people who lived and died in false religions for instance He said about them.

For when people of the nations, who do not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being accused or even excused.

God will resurrect both righteous and unrighteous people {Act 24:15} the righteous are people who knew God's laws and lived by the laws the unrighteous are people who don't know God's laws but lived and died by their own conscience so God will give them a second chance after Satan and his demons has been locked up for thousand years by then only Jehovah's Witnesses will be practicing their religion so no more confusion but whoever refuse to join us then will be allowed to live for just a hundred years before he die naturally as a youth! Isaiah 65:20

So our God has a purpose for both those who knew the truth and those who doesn't know it but as for wicked people who doesn't care at all their death means their end because they have no good records for which God needs to remember them for! Psalms 9:11

AlbertNewton:
I didn't tell you that I can absolutely prove or disprove the existence of the biblical god. I simply don't believe such god exists or is real for certain reasons.

With this i am okay with anyone claiming ATHEIST what i can't tolerate is someone trying to disprove the Bible God i will show the person that He is the one and only God that you have nothing to say as evidence against Him!

The Bible says:

The fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,  mildness, self-control.[color =blue]Against such things there is no law[/color]. Galatians 5:22-23


Against the spirit of the Bible God there is no law you can fabricate because He is Holy (Perfect)

Thanks!

EstherArokoola:
Would love to hear your thoughts:

How do you follow up after outreach or a crusade?

What tools or methods do you use?

First step to disciple making is preaching from house to house and door to door! Matthew 11:13 compare to Act 20:20

After which we must go back to revisit the individuals who welcomed the message of God's Kingdom! Act 15:36

Then we answer all their questions after which a thorough Bible study ensue to inculcate the Good News of God's Kingdom in their hearts! Jeremiah 31:33

This makes it really difficult for anyone to preach another message that's not biblical to them! Galatians 1:8

PulsingPurple:
Okay then.
The point still remains tho...
Peace.
Just had to add: Me giving you the details of my church and pushing to continue those conversations back then was trolling and hiding behind walls? Lol 😂
Maybe it's the opposite oo, the person that stopped replying immediately after I call out my church name and lay all my points at that moment... Maybe that person is the wall bender. 😅
But yhh it's cool. All these are side points.

Well i've made my point and it's clear you can't be a worshiper of my own God if you're not under the umbrella of Jehovah's Witnesses!

I can say boldly that you have no religion at all because i ignored your post as you were just trolling unable to make any valid point on what your church teaches.

I can never ever ignore anyone who says what his church teaches and mentions the name of the church practicing it for everyone to be sure of what he/she said.

So if you're still hiding behind the walls of Babylon the great (world empire of false religion claiming Christians) there is nothing further to discuss but be rest assured that you don't have any specific religion to present that's why all of you are hiding behind the anonymous name "CHRISTENDOM"

PulsingPurple:
For the first line, I'm not sure that's a valid point, seeing that the teachings have already been documented.

However, this were the exact same things you said back then, and when I followed through, it ended with the good ol' redundancy.
Won't be repeating that.

Might want to go back to some of my messages you never responded to back then if you want to know anything else.

What matters was the point I made just now. Glad you get it.

All calm here.