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Jashub:
It is just one God bros.
Just think of it like water in the form of steam, ice and regular liquid : just because the state of changes doesn't mean it is not water . Same applies here with Jesus, His Father and the Holy Spirit: three persons but one God

This is a lie because when Jesus prayed he begged his father saying:

“Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” Luke 22:42

Clearly Jesus is not the same person otherwise they can't have different opinion, here Jesus is telling his God and father that this situation is unpalatable for him so the father should change it but as he believes his father knows best he is willing to yield!

Jashub:
You confuse the verse.
In the verse you quoted, Jesus is specifically referring to oneness in thought , loved , purpose and belief...

This is the same thing Jesus meant when he utter the statement you quoted!

delkuf:
maxi you and twisting the biblical na 5 and 6.
The Bible said no one has seen God at any time but the only begotten son but you twisted it and said the only begotten god.
What do you want gain with this twisting and false doctrine.

Check different translations that's what i found in a translation!

Jashub:
You still do not get it. Jesus told His listeners that I and My Father are one (John10:30)...which does not translate to agreement; it translates to I-am -equal -to -God. Which is why they wanted to stone Him...

You don't get stoned for agreeing with God. You get stoned for claiming to be God(aka blasphemy)

What about:

I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. John 17:22

So i'm God since i'm one with the father the same way Jesus is one with the father, shey?

Jashub:
[/b] For David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”’ Act 2:34-35[b]

This scripture is referring to a report of what David saw; he was an observer.

Secondly, Jesus blatantly told his listeners that "I and my Father(God Almighty) are one"(John10:30 ). And to them , this was blasphemous...and they knew what He was saying, which is why they picked up stones to throw at Him.

Even Philip at one time challenged Jesus to show Him the Father , and Jesus blankly told him(Philip) , that anyone who has seen me has seen the Father (John14:9).

So anyone disagreeing is just disagreeing with what Jesus said about Himself

You've repeated what Jesus said at John 10:30 which means he is in full agreement with his God and father just as we Christians are one with our God! John 17:22

Jesus called us his brothers and said:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

So Jesus is my brother and because he's God's anointed King he is my lord but as for our God and father Jesus is not that one rather Jesus and i have the same God and father!

Jashub:
Oga, the Hebrews used a particular context to specify what kind of lord they were referring.
Which is why the translators used capitals in referring to Adonai(Lord)
To answer your second question:
YHWH...is both of them. That scripture is referring to the God the Father, saying to Jesus ( God the son ) to sit at his right hand. Jesus is God and so is the Father , and the Holy Spirit. All three are one God (John10:30)

Well this is contrary to what Jesus taught and what his disciples believe.

Regarding Psalms 110:1

Peter (a born again Christian in the first century) said:

For David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”’ Act 2:34-35

Jehovah (YWWH) spoke to Jesus not Jesus speaking to Jesus or Jehovah speaking to Jehovah.

In the first century Jesus said:

I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me. John 5:30

Jesus' disciples said:

The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake. Act 5:30

Paul told the Jews:

During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Hebrews 5:7

So both Jesus and his disciples told us that he (Jesus) is God's Son not God! John 3:16; Matthew 16:13-16

Thanks!

Jashub:
This is the Hebrew translation of Isaiah 6:1:
בשנת מות המלך עזיהו ואראה את אדני ישב על כסא רם ונשא ושוליו מלאים את ההיכל׃
The word used us Adonai
In Hebrew, "Adonai" (אֲדֹנָי) means "my Lord" and is a title used to refer to God. It is often used in Jewish prayer and scripture as a way to address God with reverence. The term is derived from the root word "adon," which means "lord" or "master." In religious contexts, "Adonai" is used as a substitute for the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), the sacred name of God in Judaism, particularly when reading scripture aloud.
So , are trying to tell us that Adonai (a sacred name) was used by Jewish writers carelessly?

You didn't answer the question.

How many lords do you know in the Bible?

Or better still tell me which among these two is YHWH:
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The Lord says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.” Psalms 110:1 NIV

The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Psalms 110:1 KJV

Please which between the two is YHWH?

Attacheee don reach here o, glory be to Jehovah that i don't have to start following others simply because there is nothing to say other than countering whatever others say!

Jashub:


Isaiah 6:1

In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple

How many lords do you know in the Bible?

Zaheertyler:
Okay sir

Jesus' disciples are just one global family so people throughout the earth can't see them as different religions but as one group {John 17:22} sincere and honest hearted individuals will speak well of Jesus' group {Matthew 5:14-16} while ignorant or crooked minded people will hate them with passion! John 15:18:20

So what will make people hate them?

Well it's their faith which makes them different, there are festivals Christians won't participate and so if you claim you are a Christian but refuse to hold the same judgement towards pagan festivals then you're not one with the church.

For instance no single servant of God celebrate birthday in the Bible only pagans do that's enough to tell you that Satan has something evil in mind to promote with that celebration. Deuteronomy 12:30

Zaheertyler:
Was a?
Go on I didn’t say 1:1

You are chatting with a Bible believer so i know what verse you want to quote anytime you make reference to the word of my God.

Jesus is not God that's why verse 18 in that chapter said:

"No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him" John 1:18

Nobody has seen God but people saw Jesus!

Zaheertyler:
There are lots of them
The teachings are the same but what mostly differentiates them if you notice is how they deal with their physical environment through rules and laws
You can’t watch television
You can’t celebrate your birthday
You can’t celebrate Christmas
You must do this
You can’t do that
You must come to my church not that church
Spiritually most are the same
Just ignorance and personal gain..

I think you are overwhelmed with friends in false religions wanting them to be called Christians simply because they claim so.

Christian teaching in the first century is one that's what separates true believers from false religionists so what you need now is how to IDENTIFY Jesus' true church in this crooked generation!

Zaheertyler:
John 1?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

Zaheertyler:
It is one religion divided by ignorance and selfishness
(Personal gains)

Jesus Christ said:

The gates of Hell (Grave) will never overpower his church (congregation) Matthew 16:18

Ignorance and selfishness can't affect Jesus' church surely it can only devastate Satan's agents disguising as ministers of Christ so you need to identify the church of Christ where none of these things can survive due to the love of God permeating the congregation of Christ!

Jesus is God's only begotten Son! Matthew 16:16 compare to John 3:16

Zaheertyler:
Good morning sir
1) the word of God is one, the spirit is one and the church is one under Christ
2) we are not Christians to live for ourselves but for the world to know the will of God through us e.g world peace
3) the church is spiritual the word of God is truth.

Going by these three points do you think Christianity is different religions claiming they believe in one man yet they can't speak as one? John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthans 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

Zaheertyler:
Ask your questions about Christianity
Let’s discuss and learn

Jesus the Christ is just one man but why is the world filled with countless religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming they are following Jesus? 1Corinthans 14:33

‘You will indeed hear but by no means get the sense of it, and you will indeed look but by no means see. For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them.’ Matthew 13:14-15

Do you have eyes and ears spiritually speaking?

Well what this OP is indirectly saying is:

I have found the REAL Church of Christ in all they do i'm really really impressed but everything they are saying sounds totally strange to me because they don't say the same thing as common churches around me are saying.

So just as Jesus sounds strange to Jews of his day even though they are seeing all the qualities of the Christ in him but his words wasn't attuned with teachers of his day the same is happening today as Jesus' real disciples totally differs in their teaching from all those claiming Christians but just as Jesus foretold:

"Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 5:16

Well tears of joy roles down the cheek of sincere and honest hearted individuals when they read comments like these:

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Could this organization be that which Jesus spoke about in the first century?

achorladey:
Use your brains here....
No. You stated....
No to what? See below....

You are mixing two different cases here!

They validated true religion but some of them who aren't original couldn't stand on their own words so when i continue quoting them they insulted me for using their own quotes.
Do you get it now?

achorladey:
Now it is the people are not original. One of them CJStarz of which you still use his words. It means the validation is fake.
MaxInDHouse are you original?
Achorladey = Emusan

Have i denied what i said?

Of course nah the same person dey use the two monikers!

achorladey:
They are not ashamed based on what they quoted, they categorically describe that you being one of the member of your so called true religion has a mental case

We are saying the same thing nah!

They have spoken their minds on the best religion they know but those who are ASHAMED of their own words now pour their frustration on me because i am quoting them!

Emusan:
Very very as you have been caught in the web of your own lies

Don't worry jàre ṣebi you are not lying!

Emusan:
Always changing mouth when he got caught
I understand your pain

Ọmọ this is really getting hilarious walahi talahi!

Our friend is back!

"God can pray to himself"

But when atheists believe themselves and despise faith in someone else you people will say they are wrong.

If God is praying to himself then atheists are the best believers because they believe only in themselves!

Emusan:
Lol...but the same screenshot you've been frolicking with is the same I posted.
Why changing mouth

NO it's not the same standard you said:

Emusan:
The standard people are proud of is That os Christ.

Christ taught his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone {Matthew 5:43-48} and to be prepared to lay down their lives for their fellow believers! John 13:34-35

So if a religion approves fighting and killing among adherents then they don't have the same standard as of Christians!

Emusan:
The standard people are proud of is That os Christ.

Fighting and killing fellow worshipers due to worldly politics shey?

You try!

achorladey:
You don't need evidence that they insulted you anymore. As they validate you they added insult to it as well

NO! They all validated true religion but some are ashamed when quoted for not being part of the religion they praised!

achorladey:
The same set of people you reference says the adherent aka MaxInDHouse of your so called true religion get mental case problems

Some people aren't original so they can't stand on their own words when called to answer, that's not new!

Instead of learning from childhood with JWs he chose to start deceiving himself out of arrogance.

God can pray to himself!

QuinQ:
Aahh, but you don't know the full nature of God, you're actually incapable of grasping the full nature of God. How do you know He can't pray to Himself - even some mere humans pray to their "higher self" (which is still themself)

See the highlighted.
Guy this is not politics where lying makes you special among your type o!
Go and educate yourself!

oridavid:
I hope you can see that non of these translation say Satan is an angel. The NIV calls him the morning star because of the bias that he's an angel but the JW and KJV don't hold such bias. To be precise, the bible calls him son of morning, in reference to Venus because Venus rises in the morning and falls in the evening. The proverb is more focused on Satan's fall from glory rather than the assumption that he's an angel.

But I do understand why you would say that though, I just wanted you to see that the Bible does not really hold such a sentiment.

It's OK!