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shiffynaani:
If i were to ia Christian, I'll gadly opted for Jehovah's witness. I love their cslmness and serenity, and if course, their teachings

That's something really difficult because Jesus said his real disciples will be hated globally by overzealous religionists whose faith is based on dogmas! Matthew 10:22
The irony of the matter is that claiming i love Jesus differ from sticking to what Jesus taught {Matthew 15:8-9} so while most religionists are just shouting "Jesus is Lord" JWs stick to what Jesus taught strictly hence most people labeled them a CULT just as Jesus foretold! Matthew 10:24-25

dequir:
Kumuyi was never a JW member, but has his root from the Apostolic Faith Church. So stop pushing a wrong narrative. Kumuyi's Church doctrines never copy that of JW's own. The only similarity is that of not celebrating Christmas, which some churches also do, including MFM. Will you now say that Pastor Olukoya was also a JW member?

Guy don't argue what you have no idea about i'm telling you what happened the man hid this from everyone.
Do you know that it was from the JW magazine Kumuyi got the idea about the dangers of watching TV?

RepoMan007:
Why did the bible call Jesus God's only begotten son?

Because Jesus is the only creature that God created alone {Proverbs 8:22} while all other creatures were made when Jesus was with God in the beginning! Proverbs 8:30 compare to Colossians 1:15

QuinQ:
Debating something that's long settled. Debate it by yourself.
Jesus is God but not the Father. Simple

Where most people don't notice is the past tense used in the Bible:


John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ‭NIV‬


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. KJV


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. NWT

None said "the word is God" rather they all said the word WAS God.

WHY?

Because Jesus is the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} and Moses WAS a God! Exodus 7:1

Arostar2023:
I agree we with you. Only that Deeper Life is better...I have relatives that are JW members.

Kumuyi was once a JW member that's why most of his moves resembles that of JWs, if anyone knows his old magazines in the 80s/90s you will notice that all the artistic impressions were taken from JW magazines but photocopy type. So Kumuyi tried to hide his JW orientation but it wasn't easy today he's now trying to change everything because he discovered that with all his brain people like Adeboye, Oyedepo and Olukoya are making money and followers more than him.

Nlandmodesfku:
A core JW friend can't even attend your wedding. He'd be punished for it.. it's a cult

That's a lie it's only the wedding of an apostate that we can't attend.

Ken4Christ:
Every human will certainly resurrect. But some to eternal life and many to eternal destruction in the Lake of fire.

Through Adam at birth all humans have sinned and do fall short and God's glory. Romans 3:23, 5:12
There are three categories of sinners:
Those God declared RIGHTEOUS due to the relationship they developed with God in their lifetime, those who never had a relationship with God but lived by conscience He called UNRIGHTEOUS these two will be resurrected during Christ's millennium rule. Act 24:15

That's why the Bible said some will certainly end up in the lake of fire which means they will still die again if they failed to measure up to God's standard.

But as for those who chose to be wicked deliberately forgetting conscience such ones will never be resurrected! Psalms 9:17

OLAADEGBU:
So you want to argue on a subject you have no clue about?

Ọmọ Kumuyi is not different from all the others they are all business men milking their followers.

Nlandmodesfku:
They operate like a cult, they and the Jehovah's witnesses.

Jehovah's Witnesses totally differs from Deeperlife o!

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Sapiosexuality:
I respect these people. They don't worship God because they are scared of hell. The truth is, if Christians imbibed some of their lifestyles the world won't be this corrupt. They don't do the fall and die prayer. They understand love more than these other churches.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Ken4Christ:
Moses and the Prophets simply means the law he gave and what is written in the Prophetic books.

Answer my question. How would Jesus destroy body and soul in hell if hell is grave?

OK so Moses in the illustration doesn't mean Moses for real shey?
Well destroying body and soul in hell simply means no resurrection for such a person! Psalms 9:17

OLAADEGBU:
Your understanding of what a man of God is may be different from mine and unless we establish a common ground our conversation would not be fruitful. Who is a man of God?

Whatever your definition of a man of God the question is do you know any other in Nigeria apart from Kumuyi?

Your refusal to respond shows that only Kumuyi is a man of God to you in Nigeria!

OLAADEGBU:
What is your understanding of what a man of God is?

Definitely Kumuyi is not a man of God if you his disciple don't know the meaning of that word!

OLAADEGBU:
It depends on your definition of a man of God.

OK is Kumuyi a man of God?
If he is can you name another man of the same God here in Nigeria?

Ken4Christ:
Who told you Lazarus was a Jew or lived during the time of Moses?

But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone rises from the dead.’” Luke 16:31

So was Moses alive during the time of Lazarus?
When was Moses alive so that Lazarus can come back in his time?

Proof that God's Holy Spirit is working!

Sand2022:
Wrong answer. Your last chance.

Sand2022:
Another wrong answer. Last chance.

Who cares what you think?
Ọmọ there can never be enemies dividing God's camp so it's either you are for or against God in or out!

OLAADEGBU:
Show us the evidence that I've been chasing your idol for more than 4 years or forever hold your horse. The saying is certainly true that if you throw a shoe into a pack of dogs the dog that yelps is the one that got hit. Why did you yelp?

Mr OLAADEGBU, i have just one question for you Sir.

Please apart from Mr William Kumuyi do you know any other man of God in this country called Nigeria?

Gabrielshow24:
😂 What a rhetorical feat! Phew! 🤧 You must have exhausted all your brain cells to come up with that, yet it still falls short of addressing the fundamental questions.

Your analogy permits the law to establish order, the self-same law also validates self-defense🤔. This is definitely not looking good for you👀, you just rendered your absolute statements null and void and reinstated permissibility. All is permissible but we choose to follow a certain "directive". Which makes it subjective 😂😂😂

If you like disarm those six fighters 👀 😂 it's your choice but you will do so well to lay down your life😁!

So if it's subjective all along why then have you fashioned it into an objective tool🤕? Also the subject matter isn't about trust👀, which appeals to sentiments 🙃 and it's rather pathetic👀.

I am more concerned about the coherence of your posits 🥲. So far, so good, they fail miserably. In all you established two things:
1. Your jelly bean god is an hypocrite 😂
2. Your posits are more subjective 😂, it's also not bad if you defend your life but it's more pleasing if you lay it down —not to Jehovah of Chicago 👀 by the way.

Also, you haven't negated circumstances that led believers to war within themselves. Hence, you have only shown your jagged convoluted decision tree🤔—which by the way just traverses from topic to topic without proving anything, infact you ended being incoherent in all your premises. 🥲

Mr Gabriel thanks for your time Sir!

But i thought all of you are members of the same body in Christ nah?

Abeg what is happening?

Gabrielshow24:
This is a rather sheepish misrepresentation of scripture. Sure, the Israelites held their peace—mostly after waging wars! 🤔 God granted them peace, but it seems they had to earn it through battle! 😂😂😂.

The truth is believing (trusting) the authority!

The law says we should allow them to set matters straight by reporting instead of taking laws into our own hands so if anyone fights publicly such a person is kicking against the order from the government it would be taken as rebellion since you know there is a sitting government.
The same applies to God's Kingdom where God's Son rules among his own disciples so if others aren't obedient to his orders they will be punished but then it will be more severe for anyone who knew what God's Son said yet kicked against it because that means you don't believe (trust) his judgement as you feel it'll take too long before he act.
Thanks for your time!

Gabrielshow24:
Uno Reverso 🤣🤣🤣—When you can't answer the question, rephrase it then ask your opponent 😂😂😂.
Nothing wey Adamu no go see for gate. Kindly tell us why your own god decided to circumvent his own words in character? 🤨

But you said my God is an hypocrite for issuing an order to His worshipers but later turned against His own orders?

Well i know you have nothing tangible to say.

God's orders comes out of the mouth of His representative so at that time Moses who was God's representative was God's mouthpiece before the Israelites and the order that moment is to hold their peace.
Today God's only mouthpiece is Christ Jesus {Hebrews 1:1-2} so whoever turned against the order given by Christ Jesus is not a worshiper of the true God who said:


“This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!” ‭Matthew 17:5 NIV‬

Gabrielshow24:
The complainant reporting doesn't "internally" affect their dispute, it only brings the face of the Law which then addresses it in all its forms! — Internally, externally, spiritually😁 if need be. By the way, the Law am referring to here is God👀.

What exactly did Jesus (God's only begotten Son) say when it comes to the case of our enemies? Luke 6:27

Gabrielshow24:
Yet they went to war with most of their enemies!

Please answer the question.

Was God an hypocrite for issuing such an order only to turn back against it the same day?

Gabrielshow24:
This is horrible🧐 what sort of analogy is this 🤨, it doesn't address the subject matter at all! The aim of the "law" is to determine who is right! Simple as that!
Thus it's not the two adults that declare who is right but the law that determines who is right! They can only present their case🤨.

You don't get it.

When two adults are fighting publicly both should be arrested for constituting nuisance in the community but what if a complainant reported to the authorities which of the two do you think is orderly?

Is it the two fighting to justify their course or the one who reported?

Gabrielshow24:
like I quoted earlier, God is not an hypocrite! He won't order you not to fight on earth and the next moment in Heaven he goes to war with 'who should not be named' and bundles him out of heaven🤨.
Thus, for it to be good for God then it's permissible for man🤨 else God will be an hypocrite. Definitely not my God👀, it will be your jelly bean god!

Please when God ordered the Israelites not to fight:


The Lord will fight for you; you need only to be still.” ‭Exodus 14:14 NIV‬


Was God an hypocrite for fighting against their enemies?


He jammed the wheels of their chariots so that they had difficulty driving. And the Egyptians said, “Let’s get away from the Israelites! The Lord is fighting for them against Egypt.”
‭Exodus 14:25 NIV‬

Gabrielshow24:
In conclusion, you accept God fights. What a satisfaction,🤤 We have a Warring God!

So when law enforcement agents catches two adults fighting publicly which is against the order from the government the same government has no right to act in behalf of someone who obeyed their order by reporting instead of putting laws into his own hands? Job 5:13

Gabrielshow24:
So you tell me? Did Jesus kick against his own words? 🤨 Does that not make him an hypocrite? 🤔 I suppose he didn't turn the other cheek to Satan🤔! What a Son.
Let all men be liars and God be True 👀!

Jesus is the king who gave orders to his subjects so when he said we should not take up swords he is ready to fight in our behalf! Exodus 14:14

Gabrielshow24:
Maybe you don't know the definition of absolute 🤨, it's all binding👀—God included!

OK you believe God shouldn't act on your behalf when His orders to you are to hold your peace?

Gabrielshow24:
Fantastic sentiments 🤔 but even the Son went to war🤕. How's that for an advise? 🤨

Flesh or Spirit?

This is what God's word says:


For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. ‭Ephesians 6:12 NIV‬


So is the war to be handled by God's only begotten Son who ordered his own disciples to hold their peace {Exodus 14:14} or by those who supposed to take orders from God's Son? Matthew 17:5

Gabrielshow24:
From an absolute point of view both sides can't be right.

Don't you think this is the reason why Jesus said:

“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword." Matthew 26:52

Gabrielshow24:
🤨Do you think you have struck a gold mine? 🤣. The purpose of the question is to highlight that professed believers can go to war. This seems rather too simple as the Benjamites committed something exceptionally gross🤔 but what about other instances where the thing in 'dispute' is so minor that it's not clear who is right and who is wrong? 🤨

If the Benjaminites kicked against what God commanded through Moses and that makes them wrong then any side that kicks against what God's only begotten son commanded is surely on the wrong!

Jesus told his disciples:

‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ Mark 12:31

“But I say to you who are listening: Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you" Luke 6:27

"I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another.  By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:34-35

Finally he told them:

“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword" Matthew 26:52

From what God's only begotten Son said above anyone carrying weapons against his neighbour is on whose side, God's or Satan's?

Gabrielshow24:
All these are subject to knowing and recognizing the identity of God.

So how can you know or recognize which side has God's backing since both sides claim they are fighting for God?

Remember today you are claiming that you belong to Christ when Muslims are claiming they belong to Allah which from both sides means God to you people!