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OLAADEGBU:
Cut off the fake news. Your attention is needed here: https://www.nairaland.com/8421145/court-orders-blood-transfusion-two#135306054

As you stopped making up threads upon threads over Olukoya shey?
Ọmọ nah Kumuyi matter i wan tok!

Ken4Christ:
John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which ALL THAT ARE IN THE GRAVES shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.

To Jews only faithful people are in their graves as for faithless miscreants they don't bury them rather they trash their bodies in Gehenna because they don't expect them during resurrection! Psalms 9:17

achorladey:
Who is the me?
We don't go to war, we preach neutrality, we have love among one another
Members are still dying from the hands of fellow members.
I claim this is the best answer don't even think. Since you like claiming anything that suit your ideology. Boasting and bragging about wisdom ya mutu

Because you are faithless doesn't make Jesus a failure.
So if Judas betrayed Jesus does that mean Jesus failed as a teacher?

Ọmọ if anyone kill he or she knows that is against the will of our God so such a person won't expect anyone to support him in God's organization but it's not the same case with your people!

QuinQ:
You just said He was divine a second ago. Here are your own words: "God's Son which makes him divine".
Same scenario when you said why they stoned him, two seconds later you changed to Abraham!

That's the ACCUSATION!

QuinQ:
Thank you! You finally admit it - "which makes him divine"! So, clearly, he was not like Moses or anybody else. Nobody else was God's son or divine. Well done and God bless

Ọmọ Jesus wasn't divine o it's those evil Jews who accused him falsely that are using different means to get him killed.

According to him his disciples have the same FATHER and GOD with him while he is their BROTHER. John 20:17

God never refer to anyone as "brother" o!

Ken4Christ:
Read Revelation 20:11-15. Every single person who died resurrected for final judgement

That place didn't say every single person who died rather the Bible said those in the memorial tomb which means those God remembered for their good deeds!

QuinQ:
So it's no more because of coming from heaven, it is now because of Abraham!😅
But they themselves said why they wanted to stone him to death in John 10 - "because you, being a man, make yourself God."
You still haven't answered the question: was Moses also around before Abraham?😆
In the whole history of the Jews who else claimed to be around before their forefathers, or claimed oneness with God?

They thought only God could say he has existed before Abraham nah.
But angels have existed even before Adam.
So whoever comes from heaven must be one of those living there either God or angel and in this case Jesus didn't claim he was an angel rather God's Son which makes him divine so to speak.

Reekv:
My dear, Bible na story book for kids

Hmmmmmmm, OK!

QuinQ:
You must feel really ridiculous writing this. "For claiming he's from heaven"!😆 Where in Jewish law does it say people are to be stoned to death for claiming they're from heaven? Why wasn't John the Baptist stoned to death? Many, many "messiahs" came. Why weren't they stoned to death?

You are here, thousands of years later, relying on SOME words He said (that have gone through countless translations and transliterations), and you know better than people who heard countless of words from him, heard Him directly, and saw His facial expressions and movements while speaking. Wehdone

Nobody ever claimed to have existed before Abraham the grandfather of Jacob who is their forefather nah!

Sagefromtheeast:
What?
Okay,you and two more persons?

Ask people in your neighborhood to know what they think about JWs and Deeperlife, you can't see anyone who will compare Apostolic Faith to Deeperlife because Kumuyi only used that to deceive gullible people the real background of his doctrine is JW!

achorladey:
Who are they celebrating on Christmas and honoring on Christmas day?

"This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me." Matthew 15:8

I think this is the best answer!

achorladey:
The above different from we are taught not to kill people yet kill fellow members
Wetin we go call that one?

Those killing themselves but bowing for Christmas were taught to honor Christmas but those taught never to kill must turn against the organization that is teaching them before they kill so they are no longer members.
So the difference is clear:
Only rebellious ones who have stopped obeying Jesus can kill while those other people kill at will yet claiming they are for Jesus because their leaders never taught them what Jesus commanded!

Most people wish they were alive to see Jesus face to face because they felt they could have bought or done so much for him as God's Son that is why you see them buying things worth billions of dollars for those they revere as ministers of Christ.
One thing they all failed to realize is that Jesus was an outspoken man who speaks the truth without fear so just as people back then hated him the same thing most people will do to him now if they have the opportunity of hearing his message which is filled with bitter truth!

They were killing one another but stopped to celebrate Christmas and later continued killing one another!

Zocalite:
Lolzzzzz 🤣
Kettle calling pot black
Alawada!

Matthew 5:14-16

APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Sapiosexuality:
I respect these people. They don't worship God because they are scared of hell. The truth is, if Christians imbibed some of their lifestyles the world won't be this corrupt. They don't do the fall and die prayer. They understand love more than these other churches.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

QuinQ:
Naaaaaaaaah, you cleverly stopped at verse 58. Continue on to 59: "At this, they picked up stones to stone him..." - because claim to the divine name "I AM" (Exodus 3:14) was considered blasphemous under Jewish law, which prescribed stoning as a punishment for blasphemy.
They were right there and heard directly from Jesus while your translators came centuries later. Who are we to believe?

Besides, you said Jesus was like Moses. Was Moses also around before Abraham?😆
Also, they severally tried to stone Jesus for claiming divinity. Did anybody ever tried to stone Moses for claiming to be God?

The Jews wanted to kill him for claiming he is from heaven nowhere did Jesus called himself God, all himself and his disciples were saying is SON OF GOD!
Matthew 16:16
But if you have anywhere that Jesus or his disciples called him God let me have that verse!

You can't eat your cake and still have it!

If Kumuyi changes the doctrine that made you a Deeperlifer there is no need quarrelling with the guy over his business take your leave and waka pass!

How possible is it for a sane person to be practicing a false religion when he is aware that the religion is false?

Sagefromtheeast:
Only if "most people" means you and you alone.

Why not read comments on this thread nah?

Nlandmodesfku:
They operate like a cult, they and the Jehovah's witnesses.

Nlandmodesfku:
My comparison with JW is on the basis of how strict and brutal they are about their rules. Go against their obnoxious rules and be ostracized.
A core JW friend can't even attend your wedding. He'd be punished for it.. it's a cult.

Arostar2023:
I agree we with you. Only that Deeper Life is better...I have relatives that are JW members.

Sagefromtheeast:
Lol
Joke"s on you

Ọmọ no be joke Kumuyi stole most of his teachings from JW that's why most people get confused taking JWs for Deeperlife!

Reekv:
Kindly drop your comments please

God doesn't change it's how He deals with humans that changes due to what most humans have turned out to become over the centuries.
For instance God said He will punish sons for the evil of their fathers {Exodus 34:7} but when the Israelites heard this most of them continue in their evil deeds saying "after all it's our son's that will suffer for our crimes" so God told them that will no longer be the case it's each person that will answer for their errors {Jeremiah 31:28-30} that's what brought about the Old and New Covenant! Jeremiah 31:31-34

QuinQ:
Suddenly you no longer pay attention to tense used. HE SAID "I AM" NOT "I WAS"!!! Same "I am" God told Moses was His name. Same great "I Am"!

Naaaaaaaaah, the translator used that in other translations it's rendered differently.
For instance:

“Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” John 8:58

QuinQ:
And what most people don't notice is the present tense used by Jesus HIMSELF: "Before Abraham I AM"

Yes! Before Abraham Jesus existed.
That's what he meant!

If we are to stick to what the scriptures say Jesus is a prophet of God.
The difference is simple: his life didn't start from Adamic descendants because he lived in heaven before God transformed his life from the spirit realms into the womb of Mary as an embryo.
So unlike all other prophets whose life journey started here Jesus has been with God in the spirit realms before becoming a human here on earth.

But as a prophet he also served as one of God's messengers and like Moses who happens to be both prophet and God Jesus played both roles too.

Thankgod89:
Laughing.....no wahala baba.

But just know that I don’t believe Peter was wrong at all—he spoke by revelation and with authority as an apostle of Christ. In fact, I’m aligning with what he understood by revelation from the Father in Matthew 16:16—that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.

When Peter referred to Jesus as the “Prophet like unto Moses” in Acts 3, he wasn’t reducing Him to just a prophet. He was connecting the dots for Israel, using what they knew to reveal who Jesus truly is—the promised Messiah and far more than a prophet.

So, I'm not arguing with Peter; I'm reading all he said in full context. Scripture doesn’t contradict itself, it builds a complete picture when rightly divided.

It's OK no need arguing if you agree that Peter called Jesus the promised PROPHET who will come in the manner of Moses!

Zocalite:
Both your jw and dl have similar attributes
They are both cult like isolationist ministry, which are suffering from self righteousness syndrome
He might have sojourn through jw maybe when in school, many history about kumuyi isn't known to people outside dl, but I read an article in punchnews paper where he said he was a C&s member before before a man brought him to apostolic Faith

You are indirectly saying both churches are fulfilling what Jesus said about his true disciples:

A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household? Matthew 10:24-25

Deeperlifer looks like JWs because Kumuyi was once a JW but he wanted a monetized ministry whereas JW is not monetized so nobody can make money through JW organization.

Sagefromtheeast:
Can you point out any time in his life story where it was mentioned that he was a member of JW?
Any dates,any year?
The guy even told you he's from Apostolic Church, you're still arguing.
Are you always like this?

Ask Kumuyi to tell you the truth.
He hid that from the public so nobody will trace his doctrine to JW.
Ask yourself: why is it that everyone likes to compare Deeperlife to JW?
When someone is telling you what is not known by the general public instead of you to think deeply you feel everything is written in black and white.

Thankgod89:
Peter quotes Deuteronomy 18:18 (via verse 22), calling Jesus "that prophet" Moses spoke of. But he is not limiting Jesus to being a mere prophet. Instead, he is showing that Jesus is:

The fulfillment of what Moses prophesied,

The one Israel was commanded to listen to,

And the one whom rejecting would bring judgment (v. 23).

Then in verse 26:

Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Here, Peter no longer uses the word “prophet” but speaks of Jesus as God’s Son and the risen one who brings blessing and salvation—not just prophecy.

Most people called Him what they could comprehend—a prophet, teacher, healer. But Jesus’ true identity was revealed by the Father, testified by the Spirit, and unfolded in His resurrection and ascension.

Don't forget Peter spoke to the people of Israel in a way they could understand, using language and references familiar to them. However, it's important to remember that Peter already had a divine revelation of who Jesus truly is. As recorded in Matthew 16:13–17, when Jesus asked, “Who do you say that I am?”, Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus affirmed this by saying that it was not human insight, but the Father in heaven who revealed this truth to Peter.


The statement "A God is someone who had authority" does not fully capture the biblical understanding of God's nature.

God is not simply defined by possessing authority; rather, He is the ultimate source of all authority (John 1:3). In Scripture, God is portrayed as the Creator, the Sovereign, and the Supreme Being, whose authority is intrinsic, unlimited, and not something He merely "has."

Furthermore, your comparison of Moses to Christ, in relation to authority, is not accurate. While Moses was a faithful servant of God, Jesus, as the Son of God, is the full revelation of God Himself—far surpassing Moses in authority and nature.

If you feel Peter an apostle of Christ Jesus is wrong who am i?
Abeg there's no need arguing that's what the scriptures say!

nwakaibe:
Lie!!!!!!
Again: He was never a JW member.

No wahala nah sebi he himself knows!

Thankgod89:
MaxInDHouse, greetings to you.

Calling Jesus a prophet is reductive and insufficient. While He displayed prophetic traits, such a label does not capture the fullness of His identity.

Peter called Jesus a prophet. Act 3:20, 22, 26
So it's what is written in the Bible that i'm saying! Deuteronomy 18:18

Thankgod89:
So if Jesus (The WORD) was God and not God as you claim —over whom is He God, and for how long?

A God is someone who had authority.

So Moses and Jesus were given authority for a period of time that's the same thing that qualified to be called Gods. Psalms 82:1, 6

Anonimoux:
It's only a matter of time, Religion would be destroyed in favour of true spirituality.

Yes the Bible foretells a time when false religions will be wiped out completely!

ogascomax:
WOW you almost slapped your mum and you typed that and people liked your post.

He said "almost" meaning he was mad at the woman's action it's simple nah!