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immaculatesense:
JESUS IS GREATER AND GOD TO ALL OTHER CREATURE

WRONG!

Do you agree that your own dad is your God?
If not then Jesus is not my God the only true God used Jesus to create all other things {Colossians 1:15-16} just as God used your dad to make you!

This is why Jesus said:

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

So God made Jesus King (Lord) over all of us but when talking about our God we all have just One who is the father and God of both Jesus and me! John 17:3

immaculatesense:
That passage like any other passages show the divinity of Jesus before his earthly birth. Jesus was with the Father at creation before the creation itself began.

Being with God from the beginning does not and will never make Jesus equal to God!

Anyone could have gotten that privilege as the firstborn of all creations! Colossians 1:15-16
Your own senior brother who is the first born of your parents may have some privileges more than you do because he has being with your parents before you that does not make him equal to either your dad or mum!

immaculatesense:
Philippians 2:5-11.

Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, did not even consider the idea of trying to be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human. More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake. For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground— and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

Jesus is the God's only begotten Son the only being directly created by God so if all other intelligent beings (human/angel) are created in God's image {Genesis 1:26} Jesus is the first grade of them all but he surrendered himself to live with humans like our equal claiming son of man {Matthew 20:28} he did all of that to help mankind regain their lost glory as God's image {Romans 3:23} and surrendered his human life as a ransom sacrifice so that obedient mankind can have everlasting life has God purposed in the beginning all these he did to the glory of his God and father! John 20:17

What most people failed to realize is that the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas is not due to religion but fighting for territory.

There are many claiming Judaists, Muslims and Christians in both countries!

Politicians are using religion to blindfold their own brothers to gain power!

immaculatesense:
Yes, I do, since they are 'divine' that makes them 'god' (elohim). According to Psalm 82:1
‭Psalms 82:1 NIV‬
[1] God (elohim-) presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the “gods” (elohim):

I interprete this passage as "the Father (elohim) god presides in the great assembly, he renders judgement among the angels (refer to by the psalmist as gods (elohim) just like in Psalms 8:5. I believe this is somehow relatable with Job 1:6 and Job 2:1. I believe in both passages, the scriptures refers to the heavenly assembly or court as an assembly of angels or heavenly beings who have been sent by the Father to lead and guide the affairs of men. They give report and account to the Father on how they manage the affairs of men. I think along the line, the issue of idolatry has it stem from men's encounters with this heavenly beings overtime. So, yes. Angels were referred to across scriptures as 'elohim' which means god.

So Jesus is one of them he is not the Almighty God!

StillDtruth:
Are you not Mad for repeating yourself?

Surely your parents are MAD!

immaculatesense:
Maxim. Do you believe in the divinity of Jesus before he was born? I mean do you believe that he has been in existence before his birth or that his life began at his birth?
If you do, in which I know you do. Why don't you then agree with me that Jesus is god (elohim, deity, and divine) from the standpoint that the word 'elohim' is use for divinity, but he is not the Father- the supreme god over all other god and that only the Father is superior to him and Jesus is in turn superior to all other creature in heaven and on earth.

That makes all angels gods too.

Do you agree?

StillDtruth:
I told you if olders speak like mad people, younger ones will insalt and embarrass them and call them mad.
And you are not older than I am.

Are your parents "MAD"?

Because many religionists should be of that opinion if they don't believe what your parents believe!

StillDtruth:
You are not my parents and neither do they speak nor think like Mad people, if not younger ones will insalt them

So if you can't address your parents as "MAD" and you don't know whether the commentator is older than your parents it's the same as calling your parents "MAD" when you keep saying it without sense!

immaculatesense:
Explain the difference between these two verses of the same origin and meaning, but different in just one word.
Psalm 8:5 and Hebrews 2:7
Psalms 8:5
[5]Yet you made them only a little lower than God (elohim)
    and crowned them with glory and honor.
Hebrews 2:7
[7]Yet you made them only a little lower than the angels (angelos)
    and crowned them with glory and honor.

Both are saying the same thing.

Angels are spirit creatures so they are closely related to God who is also a spirit than humans!

StillDtruth:
If I was not mature to speak intellectually, then you would have used your intelligence to crush mine.
But because you can't because God has set it that righteousness shall always prevail over evil is why you are complaining. If you stop being evil, you won't get crushed.

Do you always address your parents as "MAD" each time they say what is contrary to your beliefs?

If you can't stop calling everyone "MAD" for holding a different opinion please stay away from me because i believe you don't address your parents as "MAD" for having a contrary opinion.

StillDtruth:
Sorry, I am duty bound to rebuke you when you Lie and deceive others, teaching the very wrong thing.

And since you always ascribe all your comments to JW, then both you and your jwness will be affected.

So, sorry, I would not be stopping unless you speak rightly and Truly which may even go so well that I may be forced to say that you have spoken well, which I have also done also.

So, you have take the good and the bad but it would have been better if only you would speak rightly and truly all the time.

You are not mature to reason with intellectually so please stop mentioning me!

immaculatesense:
1. Is Jesus same as God?
2. Is Jesus equal to God?

Religions brainwashing!

Jesus is not the same as God neither is he equal to God, those are false religious doctrines!

Please is it possible you don't mention me?

I don't relate with immature people.

So since i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and you keep saying JWs are mad i think it'll be wise to avoid me completely.

Thanks!

StillDtruth:
You are mixing it all up

The LORD is Jesus, yes is He an Angel? The Answer is not really!

Genesis 1:26 shows us that God, The Father, His Son and the Angels are all alike. Which is why where The LORD is referenced to an Angel is not out of place. But it is only correct to a small degree.

For The LORD is The One with Authority over heaven and earth as a King is the Authority over his territory.

Therefore, every thing and person on the earth and Angel in heaven is subject and subordinate to The LORD, Jesus Christ.

And Genesis 2 shows that the full title of Jesus Christ is The LORD God which the bible later clarifies saying The LORD "our God".

Thus, it is wrong, defamatory and blasphemous to reduce the Level and Position of The LORD God, to an Angel, just because of the scarce occasions were He was referenced as An Angel.

The scarcity of that reference is there for a reason.

OK.
Next?

delkuf:
darkness and occultist group like your jw.

Just name one church that's teaching what you can vouch for as truth working something worthwhile throughout the world like Jehovah's Witnesses are doing globally! Act 1:8

MaxInDHouse:
Illustration!

A Nigerian science student said Chinese science institutions are teaching rubbish so he began quoting science textbooks and speaking big big grammar but one of the students in the science institution from China ask him to present just one science institution in Nigeria and what they have PRODUCED to see the level of their advancement in science and technology.

No student from Nigeria could present a single institution because they know that when it comes to achievements in science and technology they have nothing to show for all their institutions beside what China has been producing and selling throughout the world!

That's Jehovah's Witnesses compared to all your churches in Christendom!

Illustration!

A Nigerian science student said Chinese science institutions are teaching rubbish so he began quoting science textbooks and speaking big big grammar but one of the students in the science institution from China ask him to present just one science institution in Nigeria and what they have PRODUCED to see the level of their advancement in science and technology.

No student from Nigeria could present a single institution because they know that when it comes to achievements in science and technology they have nothing to show for all their institutions beside what China has been producing and selling throughout the world!

That's Jehovah's Witnesses compared to all your churches in Christendom!

achorladey:
The same faithless miscreants who don't have nothing upstairs and empty spiritually deserves thanksgiving
We can see the peace you have jumping from thread to threads of thousands of religious organization to spread your lies and manipulations packed into your brains

Former Jehovah's Witnesses member abeg which church you dey go now?

achorladey:
Yet Jesus, your personal Lord and Saviour had to be given power/authority to do things. Matthew 28:18

delkuf:
say anything you want. You have not win me and you cannot win anybody

Millions throughout the world are won by the preaching and teaching of JWs do you think i was a churchgoer before they won my heart with their teaching?

Obviously you think i want to win you when it should have been the other way around as i was a Muslim before but now you're scared of debating with me on what is written in the Bible.

So with this post of yours it's evident that Jehovah's Witnesses are winning as none of you can present his church with a unique doctrine that's useful in making real disciples like Jehovah's Witnesses are doing! Matthew 28:19-20

Only a dishonest person will see your thread and think something else ọmọ you are a confirmed liar.
You can't condemn Catholics for playing politics when you are also in support of politics!

StillDtruth:
See oo MaxinDHouse is still a Muslim. That is why we see him display acts of Madness and resorts to Lies exactly like Muslims do, when he starts losing an argument.

And because of this character and poorverty is why he chose to connect with JWs, so that he can be eating from 2 sides i.e. Muslim and JW.

See his confession here.

Please let everyone see what i said so they can quote it directly and the thread where you said Catholics are evil because they are into politics.

MaxInDHouse:
Those are political thugs peculiar in all places where politics is at play so don't think because religion is what was used to brainwash them makes their religion wrong otherwise the Catholics you spoke against in the OP has proved you wrong too because they claim Christians!
You have no point here!

StillDtruth:
See oo MaxinDHouse is still a Muslim. That is why we see him display acts of Madness and resorts to Lies exactly like Muslims do, when he starts losing an argument.

And because of this character and poorverty is why he chose to connect with JWs, so that he can be eating from 2 sides i.e. Muslim and JW.

See his confession here.

Clearly, you can see that he confesses that Islam, where he claimed to have left, is not Bad!

According to a thread of yours any religion that's into politics is evil so if your fellow worshipers are also into politics it simply means your religion is evil too!

orisa37:
THE SPEECH TO MOSES WAS THE WORD OF GOD AT THE BEGINNING THAT WAS WITH GOD AND IS GOD.

OK!

delkuf:
am not interested in your lies and deceit from the pit of hell. You go explain tire

Thanks for letting others see the strong scriptural backing Jehovah's Witnesses have for believing that Jesus is the same Archangel Michael.

May you have peace!

owukpa:
Christianity Will Soon Wipe Out of This Land while Islam will take over.

Is there contention between Christianity and any religion?

Zaheertyler:
Hidden glory in creation
You calling him an angel means you don’t believe In the trinity

Please let the believers in trinity come and use the scriptures to expatiate if they know better!

Zaheertyler:
So Joseph having the same authority as Christ is real doctrine?
Okay oo
Everybody get freedom of speech

Pharaoh made Joseph ruler over all his household and the entire land of Egypt {Genesis 41:39-41} just as God made Jesus ruler over all His belongings {1Corinthans 15:25} it is written in the prophecies long before Jesus' birth {Psalms 105:21} but Joseph is still in subjection to Pharaoh {Genesis 41:40} and Jesus is still in subjection to God! 1Corinthans 15:27

Pharʹaoh further said to Joseph: “I am Pharʹaoh, but without your authorization, no man may do a single thing in all the land of Egypt.” Genesis 41:44

Compare to:

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6

YES! Just as nobody could do anything in the land of Egypt without authorization from Joseph no man can see everlasting life without approval from Jesus! Matthew 10:32-33

Zaheertyler:
Sure

The voice Moses heard is that of Jesus in his prehuman existence but back then Jesus was an angel who always represent God in speaking.
For instance it's the same angel who was going ahead of the Israelites as a pillar of cloud but Moses later discovered that it wasn't God Himself rather it was the angel representing God! Exodus 13:21 compare to Exodus 14:19
Before then this same angel appeared to Moses's ancestor Abraham {Genesis 18:1} so it was written that Abraham spoke directly with God face to face {Genesis 18:17-25} but it was much later after Jesus' ascension that we know that he was the person representing God in the Old Testament because no man has seen God at any point in time {John 1:18} therefore if anyone has spoken with a spirit in the past such ones were speaking with the angel representing God who later came as a human in person of Jesus!

Ken4Christ:
Your time to enter hell is near. You are a child of perdition. Russell and Rutherford are already there suffering and regretting why they deceived many with their false teachings.

You called me:

Ken4Christ:
MaxinDHouse, come and defend your lies.

But now you ran away only to start typing nonsense.

Here is the question i asked you:

MaxInDHouse:
Who is Michael?

If you can't handle mature discussion try never to mention my name again on this forum please i hate mad people calling my name!

The same question has been raised in another thread after the strong scriptural explanation from Jehovah's Witnesses this is what delkuf has to say:

delkuf:
you go explain tire

This is evidence that he is not interested in the truth all he wants to do is contradict whatever is presented against his preferred idol.

Zaheertyler:
God the father or Christ?

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses, would you like if i use the scriptures to answer your question?

delkuf:
you go explain tire

True faith is not a possession of all kinds of people! 2 Thessalonians 3:2

So you're free to continue in your idolatry where you only mimic what you were told but can't EXPLAIN!