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Ken4Christ:
MaxinDHouse, come and defend your lies.

Who is Michael?

tctrills:
Loool
The man finally gives up.
I was not asking about your church, I was asking about you. We both promised not to bring up our churches but you have already broken the rule.

I imagine entertaining a JW church and telling them I am tctills. The better beating Dem go give me ehh. Loool. Just joking.

You want to talk about the son of God Jesus nothing further about his identity because different religions have their understanding on that!

tctrills:
Oga, I choose to speak only about what Jesus Christ taught.

Go and use it to make disciples and get them baptized nah! Matthew 28:19

tctrills:
Do are you prepared to return to the Angle Michael is Jesus Christ topic without us mentioning your church?

Whatever my church say about our own Jesus should be left within us if you can't mention the name of your own church there are thousands of churches saying different things about their own Jesus.

Do you agree Jesus is God's son?
Well i believe so if you too believe there is no need crossing boundaries from what my church teaches its our own discovery.

The Bible never say whether Jesus is or not an angel that's what we discovered!

tctrills:
I remember that we are told to have faith in Jesus Christ. If we can ascertain the faith of Abraham without him mentioning where he worshipped on Sundays, then your question is foolish.

It's ok so there is no need asking further questions on what my church teaches.

Do you believe in the God of Abraham?

tctrills:
I will ask but you can choose not to answer. And from now own if you are an honest person, before you reply anyone on Nairaland, you must ask the person to tell you his church.
You must apply this to everyone if you are ready honest.
Unless you are only trying to escape my questions.

I have always ask the same question if anyone wants to question my church.

So that's what everyone on this forum knows me for!

One thing is i will not ask for your church if you choose to speak only about what Jesus taught but when you mention my church and start asking questions on how we apply Bible counsel then i will ask for yours too!

tctrills:
That verse did not say that you have no faith if you don't tell someone your church.

How can we ascertain the works of your faith if we don't know your church and how they are applying Bible counsel there?

Why do you think Jesus wrote letters to Churches regarding their application of Bible counsel?

tctrills:
No, we need to compare what we believe to what the bible says. Thank goodness you said that the goal is not to interrogate each others religion but that's all you want to do. Instead of debating gospel teachings and doctrines, you always want this to be about church interrogation and it makes no sense. You have an entire army behind you with the same unwise goal.

So if there is no interrogation then there is no need to ask why i believe Jesus is Archangel Michael.
Whatever i believe shouldn't be a matter of discussion since i believe Jesus is the son of God just as the Bible says! John 3:16

But if you have to question my beliefs then both of us must present what our churches say about further identification of who Jesus is!

tctrills:
But you question my faith every time we discuss. You know my faith and my believes the only thing you don't know is my affiliation.

You have no faith if there is no presentation to ascertain the works of your faith! James 2:18

Pharisees were quoting the scriptures just as Jesus was quoting the scriptures but what silenced the Pharisees back then?

PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS!

Their religion failed to yield positive results among the Jews so when they came questioning Jesus' authority to TEACH he was showing them how he is teaching his disciples to APPLY scriptures for BENEFITS!

In reply he said to them: “Why do you overstep the commandment of God because of your tradition? For example, God said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Let the one who speaks abusively of his father or mother be put to death.’ But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother: “Whatever I have that could benefit you is a gift dedicated to God,” he need not honor his father at all.’ So you have made the word of God invalid because of your tradition. Matthew 15:3-6

Here is a PRACTICAL APPLICATION that shows the Pharisees failed in their way of handling God's word.

But Jesus' disciples were taught to apply God's word to earn the benefits.

So if you want to question how a religion is applying Bible doctrine you must present a better way of handling things otherwise you have no reason to do so!

tctrills:
Good and the solution is to go back to the bible not to go back to your organizations from where the problem came.
Are you saying that if I tell you my organization, the harmony problem will suddenly evaporate?
Oga what is your point.

Bible doctrines are in harmony so to know where the problem is we need to compare what the Bible says with what each church is PRACTICING because it's contradictions we want to resolve here not interrogating one religion when you have no practical application for what the Bible says!

tctrills:
Relate the verses you mentioned to the topic. Which of these verses say that I need to tell you my church. Stop going off point.

Olódo!

Jesus said:

You will know the truth and the truth will set you free! John 8:32

How can you be questioning my faith if i can't know yours?

Truth can only be established when both of us present how our churches apply Bible counsel that is when we can both see which one is yielding positive results. But you don't want to talk about your own church so we can't see how Bible counsel is been applied yet you feel you must continue questioning the one that's yielding positive results globally.

Ọmọ you really hate the truth o!

tctrills:
Again, you are not making sense. The bible doctrines are in harmony. Our discussion will not change that. But I can point out your errors using the bible.

Bible doctrines are in harmony but those claiming believers in the Bible are not in harmony!

tctrills:
The Word of God will help everyone that accepts it and follows it to be at peace. All the problems we have in this world will end when everyone follows Christ.

LIAR!

For 2,000 years Satan blindfolded millions but now we are free from his tactics {John 8:32} as true disciples of Christ nothing should stop us from having LOVE, JOY and PEACE among ourselves if truly we are WITNESSES of the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah 9:6

tctrills:
Your argument is very unstable. You want to sell to the world your beliefs that Jesus Christ is Angel Michael and you start with leave it like that.

Why do you think you are asking me the reason for my faith?
Is it not to harmonize Bible doctrines?

So if you don't want to harmonize mine with yours then there is no reason asking me what i believe.

I never started with "leave it like that" rather i tried to see how we can harmonize Bible doctrines but you keep hiding yours so you must leave things as it is!

tctrills:
If someone lives by the law of the gospel of Jesus Christ, he can never be lawless.

Definitely you don't know the import of that word "LAW"

For your information it was established so that two or three people may cohabit peacefully.

So if the law of your own Christ doesn't help members of your religion to live as one big PEACEFULLY family then there is no law in your so called Christ your Christ is FAKE!

tctrills:
Your challenge is a stupid challenge that will lead to very low and baseless argument.

Then leave it like that in my church we believe Jesus is Archangel Michael and we have WORKS backing our FAITH {James 2:18-26} that Jesus (Michael) is WORKING with us as the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} helping us to gather all friends of peace {Luke 10:6} to form one big and happy global family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:4

tctrills:
A few things here, no one is arguing with you about hierarchy and order in every organization.
But then you made and incredible leap. From talking about hierarchy and order in heaven, you leaped into my inability to tell you my organization is rebellion. The 2 do not connect.
Is my action rebellion to you, to my organization or to God? Because you are the one demanding the name of my organization. My organization does not insist I tell you and God does not either. So what really is your point?
If telling you the name of my organization would lead you out of error, I would have but we both know that it would not help you in anyway so again, what is your point.

You are a WORKER OF LAWLESSNESS! Matthew 7:23

If you can't submit to the teaching of any organized people worshiping together it simply means you are rebellious.

Jesus Christ who is the LORD attended worship center with his people before the establishment of a New Covenant.

Who are you to claim you don't have a church where you are taught how to apply God's word in unism with your fellow believers so that there may be no contradictions among believers? 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:4

For your information Jesus condemns it when you can't submit to any form of doctrine that's what makes Satan isolated because he wanted to establish his own religion though cunningly he made himself the god of this system of things {2Corinthians 4:4} but from the beginning he didn't give Eve any clue that he wants them to obey him instead of God, he stylishly questioned what binds the two worshipers together {Genesis 3:1} when disassociated himself from other angels who are unitedly worshiping God in heaven. Ephesians 5:6

So my guy if you can't present any church where you are receiving teachings but questioning others you are making yourself a child of Satan! John 8:44

Ohyoudidnt:
Could you clarify how the laws of Moses were contradicted in prophethood of Muhammad ; peace be on both of them.

You are deceiving your own soul!

I asked you a question but you ignored now you're asking how the laws God gave Moses proved Muhammad is false.

MaxInDHouse:
Is it true that this angel told Muhammad God has approved his taking over the young wife of his adopted son?

Well the law of God given to Moses says:

“You must not desire your fellow man’s house. You must not desire your fellow man’s wife nor his slave man nor his slave girl nor his bull nor his donkey nor anything that belongs to your fellow man.” Exodus 20:17

Muhammad DESIRE to have his adopted Son's wife that contradicted the prophethood of your Muhammad.

The same thing happened to David but God punished him for it because it's AGAINST GOD'S LAWS GIVEN TO MOSES!

tctrills:
Happy new year sir. I don't really understand your line of questioning. It seems you are trying to say something but you are not expressing it clearly. I am not sure how any of the verses you quoted counters anything I wrote.

What he is saying is simple!

Revelations 1:1 shows that Jesus was sent to us by a greater person so back in heaven God still sends him messages as God's servant the same way Jesus claimed he is God's servant here on earth. John 9:4

It's what God established in that Bible book of Revelations 1:1 that Jehovah's Witnesses are PRACTICING today that's why some must TEACH others in our gathering {Matthew 28:20} while those been taught must be obedient and submissive to those chosen to teach them {Hebrew 13:7, 17} that's why God's organization is working orderly and decently. 1Corinthians 14:40

Your inability to mention your own church is a sign of rebellion, you don't want anyone to teach you it's whatever you decide after reading the Bible that you feel is right and if that's the same way your friends here feels then how are you people worshipers of God who made a decent and orderly arrangement to dispense spiritual food as Jesus was sent to assign apostles to TEACH Jesus' other disciples? Act 2:42

Each of you just want to establish his or her own standard independently of one another! Romans 10:2-3

tctrills:
What are you even talking about, you mean I should not use the Word of God to preach but I should depend on books written by members of an organization? The Word of God is more powerful than any book written by members of your organization and I will stick to that.
The verses you quoted don't even help your argument. You are making an argument that I should teach people from books written by members of an organization and you are quoting Matthew 5:14-16. Haba

Normally as a JW i supposed to be asking you questions not telling you the answers but i do feel pity when i see people running off course.

This is what i mean!

You can never ever make a single disciple quoting books because all religions have their own books so if you quote what is written in the Bible religionists of other faith will also quote their own books to prove that they also believe in God {James 2:19} what a true believer will present is not just books but the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what is written in that book which no one can deny it's benefits {James 2:20-23} it's these PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS the Bible called "WORKS" that no other religion can have {James 2:24-25} that's what proved all other religions with their FAITH DEAD! James 2:26

Thousands of different religions claiming they are Christians shows Christianity is the true religion but contradiction is sign of confusion {1Corinthians 14:33} therefore a wise person will figure out where the fine WORKS of this FAITH could be found {1Thessalonians 5:21} of all the religions claiming they are Christians only one has successfully made real disciples who are globally known as preachers and teachers of the Bible just as the founder of that religion commissioned {Matthew 10:11-13; 28:19-20} OK what is the result or benefit of this?
Because JWs talk with people one on one {Malachi 3:16} they are able to reach the hearts of their listeners {Hebrews 4:12} and whenever anyone decides to dedicate his or her life to their God such a person will first view people from all nations as neighbors that he must love like himself {Mark 12:31} he will begin to see reasons why people do stupid things so he will start having a soft spot for them despite how they hurt him {Luke 6:27-28} and as for his fellow believers he will love them more than his own life! John 13:34-35
This is what makes them surrender their weapons and believe in Jesus' day of judgment against evildoers so they don't carry weapons against anyone nor learn war no more! Isaiah 2:4 compare to Matthew 26:52

There is no religion i challenge anyone on this forum or any other forum to present a WORKING organization like that. Of course you can never ever find any that's why you are all hiding your religion claiming you are Christians and when i asked you to prove John 3:16 so that everyone can see the practical application you can't as you don't know why nice people of other religions must be destroyed simply because of not being Christians!

I just dey entertain myself jàre none of you is my brother in faith so continue your argument!

delkuf:
this guy is really demonic

Your own sin is the greatest of them all because you are the one who had first hand experience with worshipers of the true God but ran to confusionists yet no one could present a strong point to refute what you heard and instead of you to uphold wholesome teaching that is WORKING you choose to continue opposing it.
Repent! Repent!! Repent!!!
You may not have this grace anymore!

Janosky:
Hebrews 13:7,17, Revelation 1:1 and John 9:4 nah the Koko.
Hierarchy and leadership is functional in all Organization, including Jehovah's organization.
Pseudo christians don't know this.

When i talk beating my full chest about Jesus or Jehovah's Witnesses some just assume it's like their religion where they only quote what is written in books without deep thoughts!

tctrills:
You are right, I have nothing to prove. But then I don't need to present you a group, I need to present you with the Word of God. Jesus Christ told us to teach one another the Word of God. He did not teach us to go about doing a group competition. If you cant believe the word of God, na group you go believe?

Use your brain!

Imagine i'm a Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu or Judaist do you think i won't have something to call the WORD of my own God?
So what can you quote to convince me in the book written by members of your own religion to support your God?
Christians wrote what you want to quote for me in the Bible just as Muslims or Buddhists or Hindus or Judaists also have what members of their religions wrote in support of their religions.
That's why Jesus said it's by the FRUIT of the true religion that sincere and honest hearted individuals will recognize it {Matthew 7:16-18} not just written codes!
If you present the group practicing your faith the only thing that could stop any sincere observer from joining is when he or she has something similar or better, that's why Jesus said with the teaching he gave his disciples if they truly practice it they will be noticable globally! Matthew 5:14-16

So it's not just about quoting books as if other religions don't have books!

tctrills:
You might be right. I just might be an olodo because for more than 4 years I have failed to pull you out of falsehood. I need to try harder.

You have nothing to prove!

I believe Jesus is God's son just as Bible teaches and i join a group of preachers and teachers doing what Jesus commanded so to convince me that i'm wrong you need to present a better performing group than the one i work with which you are working with not just arguing aimlessly claiming a global family of peace loving worshipers are all wrong simply because you feel so!

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God!

No Jehovah's Witnesses will tell you that from inception because you don't know the import of that so we will start by telling you the Good things Jesus has done in the midst of his true disciples (Jehovah's Witnesses) it's when you are truthful to your own soul that you will start asking who taught us how to make peace among millions of people from different countries throughout the earth.

That's the time to mention Jesus of Nazareth, his teachings and how we are applying these teachings in our gathering.

Of course a honest hearted and sincere individual will know that such a thing is impossible anywhere else.

That's what will make him or her feel the need to become one of us not just saying what you can't explain in details!

tctrills:
It's not about what you say. for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. It's not about the things you memorize. Teach the gospel of Christ and let the Spirit do its work.

Olódo!

You don't even know what to say about the matter yet you want to claim you can preach about Christ!

tctrills:
You that say you believe in Christ, have I been able to convince you of your falsehood?
Our only duty is to preach the word of Christ to them, the convincing and conversion is left to them and God.

Olódo want to talk about falsehood when you can't present any group doing what you think is right!

Someone has good deeds and his own religion is it not through what you say that he will feel the need to become one of Jesus' disciples?

Olódo!

When Jehovah's Witnesses say we are the only Christians preaching and teaching about compulsory faith in Christ Jesus you people will start arguing aimlessly.

Mr Tirimisiu this is what the Bible has to say about all the seemingly kind works anyone could do without faith in God's plan:

And we have all become like someone unclean, And all our acts of righteousness are like a menstrual cloth. We will all wither like a leaf, And our errors will carry us off like the wind. Isaiah 64:6

So whoever refuses to exercise faith in the only begotten son of God is doomed! John 3:16-19

Are you learning now?

Truthseeker10:
Quote a verse oga.

Oga i go fight you o!

Abeg leave the two of them let us see how they will come to agreement.

Abeg!

tctrills:
The bible never said what happens if you have good deeds without faith in Christ. As you know, I depend only on what has been revealed. We are taught that unless we believe in Christ, we can't be saved. That's enough for me.

OK so you don't know how to convince someone who practices another religion why he must become a disciple of Christ shey?