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Thankgod89:
This is just an anthropopathic. God sometime do things to for man to bear him witness.

That's what the Bible teaches about God and there is a reason why He can't be present everywhere it's not that He is not capable to do so but He just restricted Himself for a reason!

AbuTwins:
JW leaders end war, which WW1 or 2 or the oncoming 3? Or is it the Covid 19 war or Ebola war?

They have ended WARS in the midst of those adhering to their teachings that is what Allah, Quran, Muhammad and Islam can never ever achieve among the worshipers of your Allah!

AbuTwins:
John didn't read anything called Bible. That's my point!

OK so it's your Quran that he red shey?
I thought you guys often say the tiras were released one after another like Moses, David, Jesus and Muhammad?

So how do you expect someone who lived during the time of Moses to read what was revealed to David later o?

Muslims and their manner of thinking!

TheDevilsBride:
Nah, I'd rather settle for a coherent narrative that doesn't require a divine spin doctor.Of course, why not? It's very convenient that your epistemic escape hatch will require absolute deference and submission to only authorized translators of divine ambiguity. The wheels on the bus go round and round, and so does your argument, lol.

Naaaaaaaaah apart from saying few have been chosen to TEACH others Jesus said we will know the chosen and those deceivers by their FRUITS {Matthew 7:16-18} so while deceivers can't uproot hatred in the hearts of their followers the chosen will completely uproot hatred in the minds of their followers and make them one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers!

TheDevilsBride:
I didn't need God to tell me, I used my omnifunctional brain, which, unlike your Holy Spirit, doesn't require divine permission to think critically or recognize logical fallacies, to read and understand the concept of God, as described in the Bible.

Just as many like you did only to end up fighting and killing their neighbours!

TheDevilsBride:
I'm sure your lens is too thick to see the irony here, of accusing me of not caring about others' opinions, while you've been relentlessly quoting scriptures to me, as if the opinions of ancient desert nomads should have any effect on, and/or dictate my own opinions.

If you truly care as a woman please tell me how people throughout the world can cohabit peacefully without WARS!

TheDevilsBride:
Counting is literally the "process" I was referring to, you unwitting exemplar of circular reasoning, lmao.

So we must all follow the same process shey? That's just what i've been trying to tell you about how to perceive the presence of God!

TheDevilsBride:
You misspelled "assumptions". Presumably, by not engaging in war, duh, lmao.

As a female i know that in your right senses you will cherish a world without wars but this protest you so much want to carry out will not allow you to think straight.

TheDevilsBride:
What a loving, and benevolent God, whose promise is only valid for a few, select group of obnoxious yes-men, while the rest of humanity gets to suffer (or enjoy, lol) never-ending war and bloodshed. Indeed, such selective benevolence.

He promised to DESTROY those ruining our planet home {Revelations 11:18} but as a just God He must see to it that each of you judges yourselves by your own actions after seeing how His peace loving worshipers who will forever inherit the planet {Psalms 37:7-11, 29} in peace and full security live as a sign of divine warning! Matthew 24:14

AbuTwins:
Na your JW leaders dey lie since 1914. Even Bible has 50k+ error. Lie lie book! Why won't anyone destroy it?

JW leaders have used the so called LIES to end wars in the midst of those listening to them {Isaiah 2:4} something the entire Islamic world can never ever achieve!

AbuTwins:
The quote didn't mention John reading any book like the Bible. As usual you, quote irrelevances!

People has been burning inspired books for long but God's people will never ever attack them because it's their own copies they are destroying not the entire inspired writings!

TheDevilsBride:
I see. So whenever I'm confronted with logical contradictions in the Bible, I can just simply invoke an imaginary, invisible, unverifiable interpreter whose specialty is in retroactive hermeneutical gymnastics? Got you, lmao.

That's where you need enlightenment!

If everyone can understand Jesus won't say some should TEACH the rest! Matthew 28:20

TheDevilsBride:
Well, I suppose the first clarification I'll need from the Holy Spirit, is to give a really damn good reason, explaining why an omniscient, omnipotent deity would require all of these labyrinthine communication methods in the first place.

Where did God tell you that He is omni this omni that?

TheDevilsBride:
This is, quite ironically, a very solid and remarkable instance of the dangers of mass confirmation bias, as opposed to the universality of truth, lol. I'm sure it's comforting for you to know that you're not alone in your thoughts, just as it is comforting for me to know that I'm not obligated to take the collective opinions of you and your millions of buddies as fact.

Good!
So you can be yourself without worrying about whatever others do with their lives since you found it absurd to agree with others!

TheDevilsBride:
If indeed I were to "follow due process to verify," I could still, in fact, verify the equation 5+5=10, and come to the conclusion that is TRUE, and I can easily achieve this through the basic fundamental principles of arithmetic that exist to resolve such issues like these. Unfortunately for you, the same cannot be said for the fantastical claims that are found in your holy text. See this difference yet, bucko? One is testable, falsifiable, and firmly grounded in nature and reality. The other one? Not so much.

There is no process other than counting five and adding extra five so if you decide to choose any other means you'll surely fail!

TheDevilsBride:
Okay? Any more theological insights you wish to regale me with?

Your protest can't change facts Ma!

TheDevilsBride:
Interesting choice of scripture there, Isaiah 2:2-4, where your God makes promises about swords being sheathed and taken into plowshares, and nations fighting no more wars... except for the part where this vapid prophecy was severely undercut by every single war in recorded history happening after Isaiah penned those utopian verses, lmao. Sounds like your god just straight up sucks spectacularly at keeping promises .

If there will be no more wars how do you think people living at the time of this prophecy will know they are fulfilling it?
Ọmọ this will only happen in the midst of those studying God's word with open hearts not the whole world.
That's the import of verse 2 of Isaiah chapter 2

TheDevilsBride:
I'll start by answering your analogy about my dad telling me to be as "cautious as a serpent", yada yada yada... Now, I wouldn't call him crazy, if I'm being honest. I might, however, simply just call him confusing, and a bit inconsistent as well. Also, I'd need him to explain himself further. What I would definitely NOT do, since I prefer not to make stuff up, is to engage in the kind of mental gymnastics your ilk are very adept at.

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. John 14:26

“I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
John 16:12-13

He promised that God's Holy Spirit will explain further!

TheDevilsBride:
And just in case he doubled down, and told me that the only way to understand his instructions was to blindly trust the interpretations of MaxInDHouse and no one else, except maybe a few others, I’d probably suggest to him that he lay off the sacramental wine for a while, lmao.

There are millions of people like Maximus that will tell you exactly the same thing because we all have the same line of thought globally! John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

TheDevilsBride:
Faith, in my books, requires no evidence, making it impervious to any and all reasoned arguments. Doesn't mean it should be elevated above scrutiny though. Careful and honest examination of your beliefs could not only save you from intellectual stagnancy, maybe you might stumble onto factual information that proves your beliefs! Who knows? Unfortunately for you, it would appear that critical thinking and intellectual honesty are concepts alien to you, and you wish it to remain that way.

I literally laughed out loud (lol) though, when you dropped the cute little spiel of "gathering of sane people wiser than believers", when we have luminaries of science, philosophy, art and literature like Einstein, Newton etc etc, whose contributions to human knowledge, have demonstrated wisdom far beyond the confines of religious dogma, and even till this day, we enjoy the fruits of their endeavors.

A typical atheist for you!
So when a mathematics textbook says "5+5=10" you shouldn't believe or you will follow due process to verify?

TheDevilsBride:
So if you like, keep swinging Isaiah 54:17 in people's faces, like a 4 year old toddler brandishing a plastic sword and declaring himself invincible, smh, lmao. Your faith is nothing but a prison where you've deserted your brain in, and threw away the keys, without even looking.

Typical atheist for you!

TheDevilsBride:
And abeg, where is this team, abi gathering of believers, that you think are wise beyond all else, hmmm? With all due respect, I just hope you're not referring of the circus acts we have here on this website, that pretend to be apologists, but can't even tell their left from their right, or tie their own shoes lmao. If so, then you've set the bar way too low .

We have true believers throughout the world today who are fulfilling what God promised in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4
It's not assumptions like Atheism!

AbuTwins:
Which book would John the Baptist burn? There was no Bible in their time!
No be the same Bible una dey remix dey comot the 50k errors from since?

You are a Muslim nah so what do you know other than the lies your alfas told you?

Before David there were books revered as sacred writings and powerful rulers have ordered such books to be burnt as they can't wrap their heads around it:


Whenever Jehudi had read three or four columns of the scroll, the king cut them off with a scribe’s knife and threw them into the firepot, until the entire scroll was burned in the fire. The king and all his attendants who heard all these words showed no fear, nor did they tear their clothes. Even though Elnathan, Delaiah and Gemariah urged the king not to burn the scroll, he would not listen to them. ‭Jeremiah 36:23-25


So let's enlighten you Mr Muslim it's not paper those people wants to burn but the information contained which they thought is misleading!

MindHacker9009:
The angel did mention that Jesus is the Messiah and did not call him Christ, so the name Christ is free for any group who believes in the God of the Jews.

It's seems you don't get it yet so the need to enlighten you.

First of all Christ is a title not name so there can't be any Jewish sect bearing Christians in the absence of someone who bears the title CHRIST.

So if any group claims CHRISTIANS today there must be someone who assumes the office of CHRIST and whose teaching the group claiming CHRISTIANS are following.

MindHacker9009:
Christians are gentiles believes or claiming to believe in the God of the Jews. So a Christian can only believe in the God of the Jews without believing in Jesus as the angel did not give the name Christ.

The title CHRIST (Greek) means MESSIAH (Hebrew) or ANOINTED KING (English)

So who is the CHRIST through whom your friends are claiming CHRISTIANS?

God2man2again:
God is Ominipresent.

According to the Bible God is not present everywhere!

God said to Abraham :

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21

How can God be everywhere yet He wants to go and verify the reports brought to Him?

True faith cause a division in families as many will be tied to their sentiment and credulity while faithful people stick to the truth and those who love it no matter where such ones may come from! Matthew 12:46-50

MindHacker9009:
The angel said he should be called Jesus and not Christ, so the name Christians derived from Christ is free for anyone to use.

Are you also a Christian?

Of course you will say NO because you don't want to have anything to do with Jesus.

So my question is:

Who is the CHRIST through whom your friends in the so called church now claim CHRISTIANS?

sonmvayina:
It's a pity...you don't even know or realize it...
You will come out of it one day though ..
I am 100% sure...

Just as a mad man will always view sane people around him as unintelligent!

COMMON SENSE that you can't relate with a single person for years on this forum.

Ọmọ that's madness o!

AbuTwins:
Did i burn any book too? John had no book like the Bible or else he would have burnt it.
This is a lie. You should say some Muslims. And that just because Christians don't usually kill directly doesn't make them terrorists!

Thank God John the baptist never burn any sacred book so that's settled but as regards Muslims fighting for their book ọmọ don't start a joke nah!

TheDevilsBride:
Why didn't you quote me directly in this response? Were you hoping you'd slip it past me and I won't read it ?
Now you have insisted, by all means, on trying to shift the focus to Peter's later writings, where he tells his followers to "follow in his [Jesus'] footsteps closely" (1 Peter 2:21). But then again, what is the relevance of this particular information, to the fact that Jesus' disciples clearly misunderstood his metaphorical language?

No one is jumping to conclusions here, my friend. You're the one who seems to be struggling at understanding the import of your own statements. Jesus' teachings are actually not difficult to grasp; it's just snake oil salesmen, who always make things convoluted, for no apparent reason, performing ingenious hermeneutical acrobatics to reconcile the obvious ambiguities that riddle the scriptures.

Abeg wetin dey there, for Isaiah 54:17, that you think is your trump card because it says "no weapon forged against you will prevail"? If you're trying to imply that Jesus' teachings are somehow immune to criticism or scrutiny, then you've failed spectacularly because you will just be admitting that your religion stifles critical thinking and therefore encourages intellectual dishonesty. Are you willing to make this concession?

I don't like lengthy talks when the point has been made, you question is simple:

How did Jesus' followers found out that the sword wasn't literal?

I don't know your age but if your own dad should say you must be cautious as serpent and harmless as dove {Matthew 10:16} and later said each of his children needs a sword and you have never seen him use a weapon before but the same day he rebooked your own brother who used a sword {Matthew 26:52} will you just assume he is crazy?

Regarding Isaiah 54:17 it simply means your intelligence is far below that of the true Christian because you are trying to convince them to trash their faith which is their most valuable asset.
So no matter what you say it won't work unless you can present the gathering of sane people who are wiser than believers which is impossible!

AbuTwins:
Heads like John the Baptist's head?
Abeg! Enough of your terrorism tantrums!

Ọmọ did John burn any sacred book?

You know what will happen if it's your so called "Holy book" that's burnt publicly like that, Muslims thoughtout the world will be fighting and killing their neighbours by now!

sonmvayina:
That's the Hallmark of a cult.

Exactly what madmen used to call sane people because their brains failed to get along with COMMON THINGS sane people does!

sonmvayina:
I only explained what I meant .
That quote was part of Egyptian parable. It was put in the mouth of Jesus by the author of Luke...

Chai!

Now it's confirmed that you are a SHAMELESS LIAR!

The word CHRISTIANS is derived from the title CHRIST so who is the CHRIST your so called "CHRISTIAN CHURCHES" relate with?

sonmvayina:
"Let us make man in our IMAGE after our LIKENESS...Let them have dominion..."
And God formed man from the earth and breathed (image and likeness) into the man and man became a conscious being....God reside in man

sonmvayina:
Resides within us ..
"The kingdom of God is within you....."

So the highlighted is what you are quoting, shey?

Ọmọ that stuff is not good for your body o.

See what you quoted in the Bible book of Luke found in Jesus' word:

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:21

And regarding the gospels you said:

sonmvayina:
The so called good news is a lie

Yet you want to quote the lie to support your madness but now ashamed you're looking for what Luke wrote in Genesis chapter 1

sonmvayina:
So you have to belong to a cult where you are brainwashed and being lied to ?
Why those common sense keep eluding you?

COMMON SENSE is what carries millions of people along but when your thoughts and opinions can't relate with anyone that's MADNESS!

AbuTwins:
Ah!
So King James was a slave trader? No wonder there are many "Slaves obey your master" command in the Bible! The Bible was edited to contain Jesus's story from birth to few months old, then at 12 years then at 30-33years! All those years of 1-11years, 13-29years are missing. That's like 90% of Jesus's lifetime is missing from the Bible. And they claim the Bible is about Jesus! I can relate to the destruction!

Thank God it's the Bible if it's the other book by now heads will be rolling on the floor!

He never claimed omniscient it's humans with their presumptuousness who are saying all that!

So tell me, Max, where then is this "understanding" of the disciples recorded? Perhaps I must have missed that part where they're like, "Oh, Jesus means we should buy Bibles, not swords!", but nope, didn't happen, lol.

Sorry Miss/Mrs that's how hard it is to break the faith of a true believer! Isaiah 54:17

Peter the same person who was reproved for using a sword against an enemy is the one who told them to follow Jesus' FOOTSTEPS CLOSELY. 1Peter 2:21

That's the person Jesus told directly to (feed) his sheep {John 21:15} and don't forget that Jesus promised to send Holy Spirit to teach this few men {John 16:12-13} who were given the task to spread Jesus' teachings {Matthew 28:19-20} and the KEY to unravel sacred secrets in his teachings was given to the same Peter {Matthew 16:19} in order to teach others.

Do you remember that it's the same Peter who always stand up among the twelve to defend what Jesus taught them? Act 2:14; 3:6,12; 4:8; 5:29

So it's the same Peter who told us to follow Jesus' FOOTSTEPS CLOSELY {1Peter 2:21} not jumping to conclusion over what he said that we find very difficult to grasp!

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

This is why true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) each always have a copy of the Bible no matter how poor he or she may be because man must not live on bread (food) alone but by the utterances that protrudes out of Jehovah's mouth! Matthew 4:4; Deuteronomy 8:3

@ TheDevilsBride

Here is the same Jesus talking in that same chapter you quoted earlier:

“Look! I am sending you out as sheep among wolves; so prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet harmless as doves" Matthew 10:16

After this he said:

Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. Matthew 10:34-36

He explained what he meant by SWORD that his teachings will cause a division among families as many will find it stupid while few will take it seriously so those who think it's stupidity will hate and treat those believing badly.

@ Luke 22:36

The SWORD he meant was understood by his disciples to mean full copy of God's word {Ephesians 6:17} that's why you can't see one instance where his disciples fought or kill anyone!

@ TheDevilsBride

Jesus said a lot but instead of jumping to conclusion after hearing him we were told to FOLLOW HIS FOOTSTEPS CLOSELY {1Peter 2:21} he never taught us to hurt our enemies rather he said we should love and pray for their well-being! Matthew 5:43-48; Luke 6:27-28

So i ask you again who are those fighting and killing their own enemies?

Do you still think they are his followers?

Leave the matter whether he is real or not for now!

TheDevilsBride:
But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one".
- Luke 22:36
"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword"
- Matthew 10:34

Go ahead and twist this one inside out, as I expect you to.

There is no twisting the book says this man TEACHES IN PARABLES {Matthew 13:13, 34} so instead of quoting what he said which none of his disciples acted upon literally why not figure out where he lead by example or where his disciples practice what you think he meant?

If Jesus never used a sword against anyone, condemned the act which his closest confidant carried out and thereafter none of his disciples ever tried it again does that not show you he didn't mean what you think?

TheDevilsBride:
I don't claim to be intelligent, but I'm obviously not stupid enough to believe that a 2,000-year-old text written by nomadic tribesmen is the ultimate authority on morality, smh, lmao .

Good!
So if you don't believe in what the book says that's fine but saying those who are not practicing what the character they are referring to as "LORD" teaches are his followers is self deceit Sir! Matthew 7:21-23

@ TheDevilsBride

When i told you that you don't even know what it means to be a Christian you thought it's a joke shey?

Prove those fighting and killing their so called ENEMIES are true followers of Jesus Christ through the teachings of Jesus not just their claims!

TheDevilsBride:
Smh look at charcoal calling snow white black. You're suddenly concerned about people misrepresenting Jesus' teaching when you've been cherry-picking scripture to suit your own agenda.

Point to a verse where Jesus taught his disciples to fight and kill their enemies or where he fought to kill an enemy.

There is no cherry picking here it's there in the book!

TheDevilsBride:
Tsk, tsk. It seems your Jesus-shaped glasses are fogging up your ability to see the forest of hypocrisy for the trees of irrational, mindless dogma.

Guy leave grammar and face the fact if people today are claiming "CHRISTIANS" and they have no other character to point to as their LORD whose orders they are following you who thinks you are intelligent should be able to tell them point-blank that they aren't following what is written as teachings of the CHRIST.