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Sosqui:
I just stumbled on your message. Please stop misquoting the bible. Jesus did heal her as captured in Matthew 15:28 (NIV Translation) “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment."

Jesus healed the woman's daughter but that's not the point i was making rather what Jesus said is that supernatural gifts to perform miracles belongs to the descendants of Jacob alone that's why you can't find a single person who is not an Israelite performing miracles in the Bible!

Michael547:
Below in the screenshot is Phillipians 3:19. The meaning of the Greek word for God is also explained in the screenshot below.
So please who is the God in Hebrews 1:9, and who is the God anointing?

With TRINITY and GODHEAD in the minds of trinitarians this matter can never be resolved though both TRINITY and GODHEAD are terms not found anywhere in the Bible!

GothamCities:
Why did you avoid the questions? I can see through your deceit.

Here is it again:

Do you now agree that dead people are conscious and that Jesus was there preaching to imprisoned spirits?

And the screenshot of what you said is reattached so you can tell us how you didn't mean Jesus was crying in His grave. I am ready to unearth your whole posts to expose you on this.

Why not quote the exact post instead of hiding part of it to suit yourself?

The dead are unconscious and they can't do a single thing in the grave where they are going! Ecclesiastes 9:10

Here is what you typed

GothamCities:
Please carry your heresy away!
Several scriptures tell us what He went to do!
You don't understand anything about the Bible so you should stick to your cult.

My response was sarcastic because the dead are unconscious and Jesus knew that for three consecutive days he is going into a condition where he will be lifeless something that has never occurred to any spirit son of God before.

So while he is still alive he cried and begged God because once he is dead he can't know what is happening around him anymore it's this condition that served as warning to fallen angels who rebelled against God during the time of Noah {1Peter 3:19-20} that's what the Bible means by PREACHING to the spirits in prison those fallen angels are in Tartarus {2Peter 2:4} a condition where they have no direct dealings with God anymore in other words they have been DISFELLOWSHIPED from the midst of God's spirit sons!

So it's fallen angels who are in Tartarus that Peter was talking about not spirit of dead people and Jesus who was dead can't speak to them but his condition speaks in volumes as one of the angels who for the first time died something they thought is impossible!

Kayberg:
You see?
This is how you get when you can't defend the nonsense you're trying to defend with the Bible.
You wanted to lie to butter JW, but you still couldn't because it's not GOD.
So, you're a follower of Charles Taze Russell, not of GOD, because you contradict a lot of the truth of the Word of GOD.
Good night.

When you're ready for the truth i'm here, truth is not what you find on social media where people just drop whatever they were fed rather truth is deeper things that only sincere and honest hearted people work hard to get that's why Jesus said when they finds it they rush to sell everything they had to buy it! Matthew 13:45-45
First you said i worship the god of C.T. Russell next you said he is the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses organization then you said he is the god of Jehovah's Witnesses but with hard facts you became confused seeing that all what you said can't be true but since that's what has been flying over social media for years you are puzzled thinking it must be true.
Ọmọ next time don't just swallow what people say on social media truth is not that cheap.

GothamCities:
You should answer your question.
Do you now agree that dead people are conscious and that Jesus was there preaching to imprisoned spirits?

Ọmọ i never said Jesus was crying at death he cried prior to his death that's why i quoted Hebrews 5:7 so if you don't understand what i meant it's your problem!

GothamCities:
You were even quoting Ecclesiastes to support that dead people are unconscious in the grave including Jesus!

So if dead people are unconscious then how can Jesus who was DEAD be crying nah?

Kayberg:
You keep dodging my simple question. What are you afraid of?
Who is the founder of JW besides Charles Taze Russell?
Answer my simple question.
Give me names, not epistles, because I'm not going to read any epistles from you.
Give me names.
NAMES!
NAMES!!
NAMES!!!

Keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

GothamCities:
That was one of the flaws of your argument that I just decided to ignore!

It simply means you don't understand what i'm saying.

Dead people are unconscious so it was during his life time that Jesus was crying to God who can save him from death!

GothamCities:
So, tell me how I edited your post?
You lying demonic personality who has no regard for the Word God.
I presented your post as is. No addition, no substraction. No edits!
The two other posts where you made erroneous assertions, I corrected them by striking out your errors with lines, and indicating that your post was fixed.
Here I presented everything you said as is, and I've responded according to the true Word of God to dismantle your web of lies and deception!

If i meant the dead are unconscious then how can Jesus be crying when he's dead?

Kayberg:
Who is the founder of JW besides Charles Taze Russell?
Answer my simple question.
Give me names, not epistles, because I'm not going to read any epistles from you.
Give me names.
NAMES!
NAMES!!
NAMES!!!

Right thinking followers are reading and getting the gist so your case is irrelevant!

GothamCities:
Very dubious and demic lying personality!
I didn't misquote you! I've added the screenshots of what you typed with your hands. You said Jesus was crying and begging God in the grave! After I exposed you liar with the Word of Truth, you started saying I misquoted you. Please get out of here! There's no single truth in your life!
The memories of them are forgotten in the land of the living. No one remembers them any more! That's what the Bible says!
Quote the scriptures that say it was a demon!
They're alive to God because He has their records, and He'll bring them back to life. Are you a kid?
He is a God of the living, for they all live unto Him. That's why we see Abraham and Lazarus in that parable conversing with the rich man. They were consciously in dialogue!
The scriptures say He was put to death in His body but made alive in the Spirit. He was not inactive! He went there on a mission! The dead resurrected and walked the streets of Jerusalem as an aftermath of that mission.
Humble yourself, sit down, and well teach you the true Word of God. The true Word of God will knock out the doctrines of demons from your head, and the lying spirit from your soul.
Now, you're talking!
Death could not hold a sinless person like Jesus in the grave. Death could not even silence Him. Death had no power over Him because He was sinless. Hence, He was an active Spirit in the grave where He preached to those spirits who were in prison.
The talk was entirely about His death and not His resurrection. Put to death in the body, but made alive in the Spirit. If he was talking about His resurrection, then He'll say "raised to life in the Spirit." But no, that's not what he said "Put to death in the body but MADE ALIVE (while in the same dead body state) in the Spirit. Dead body, living Spirit.
Jesus actually resurrected with His dead body. The nails and the hole made by the spares were still visible on His body. When others thought He was a spirit, Jesus Himself said in Luke 24:39:
"Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."
Jesus was not resurrected as a spirit! But in His dead state, He had a dead body that was MADE ALIVE in the Spirit. Being alive in the Spirit, He was actively preaching to those spirits who were in prison!
Just humble yourself and learn, and get rid of all the falsehoods and lies that have been formulated to get you into hell by all means!

Since you know how to EDIT posts and reply to what suits you it's OK!

GothamCities:
Fixed!

GothamCities:
Fixed!

The light of the world {Matthew 5:14-16} no other group stand close!

Kayberg:
Mention the name of the new founder of JW my friend! I don't have time to read your long epistles. Who is the new founder before or after Charles Taze Russell?
Give me the name, or is that too DIFFICULT for you?
What is your fear and why are you trying to avoid the VERY SIMPLE QUESTION?

Our master Lord and King didn't teach us to spoon-feed people rather we are to teach you how to figure out answers for yourself.

So if you're lazy expecting people to tell you everything you can't be a disciple of our teacher because you must dig yourself for the truth to find it! Proverbs 2:1-5

Who taught people to go from house to house visiting neighbors and discussing with them the GOOD NEWS of God's Kingdom? Matthew 10:11-13

Who taught his disciples never to raise weapons against their neighbors be it friend or foe? Matthew 26:52

Who prayed for disciples to have the same line of thought globally? John 17:22

Who said his disciples will be recognized due to their unique faith globally? Matthew 5:14-16

Who said his disciples will be known worldwide for the love permeating their gathering? John 13:34-35

Who ordered his disciples never to participate in worldly politics? John 17:14-16

If JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are doing all these then the one who laid the foundation is the founder of that group!

Sand2022:
MaxInDHouse.

Instead of creating arguments about the dark spots in the sky why not present a brighter light than what God declared: LIGHT?

MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah declared His organized worshipers "HOLY" which means PURE.
Just as the daylight in the sky which can never be replaced neither can anyone find a brighter light than the sky yet if we are to look intently at the sky we will find lots of dark spots that is exactly what Jehovah is saying about His organized worshipers nobody can present a better performing group than God's people because they are like the sky: the light of the world! Matthew 5:14-16

Jehovah declared His organized worshipers "HOLY" which means PURE.

Just as the daylight in the sky which can never be replaced neither can anyone find a brighter light than the sky yet if we are to look intently at the sky we will find lots of dark spots that is exactly what Jehovah is saying about His organized worshipers nobody can present a better performing group than God's people because they are like the sky: the light of the world! Matthew 5:14-16

You don't have to continue wailing over Babylon the Great {Revelations 17:5} Jesus has returned in the year 1914 and ever since then he's been calling faithful people out of Babylon the Great {Revelations 18:4} today true Christianity has been separated from God falsehood {2Corinthians 6:17} and the true God has been calling them by another group name since 1931: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

That's where everything you need to know about Jesus and his disciples can be found! Act 1:8

Explore2xmore:
•Has this belief of yours resolved disparities?

•Are you feigning disagreement with my practice and position about Islam?

•Has your belief prevented the Israeli-Hamas war?

• YES! Among the real adherents: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
You can travel throughout the world and try to find members of this organization who are into military services or politics as that's the only reason why your own fellow worshipers will kill one another trashing your hypocritical "SALAM" greeting!

• YES! Muslims are still fighting and killing their own fellow worshipers due to politics and racism while your Allah watches helplessly yet demanding you people continue bowing towards the black stone in Mecca.

• NO! Because it's worshipers of your god that's involved in the killings {Revelations 6:3-4} while worshipers of my own God are busy preaching and teaching as commanded by the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} about God's Kingdom peacefully everywhere you can find them. Act 1:8

GothamCities:
No, you're charlatans. A cult where demonic doctrines are constantly taught!

Demonic doctrines that's making millions to do the work Jesus assigned zealously and with all industriousness shey?
Continue deceiving yourself!

No brighter light could be found! Matthew 5:14-16

GothamCities:
Learn what?
Doctrines of demons?

Doctrines of demons that's uniting millions as ONE just as Jesus prayed {John 17:22} while yours is useless leaving you without brethren to call your own! Matthew 12:46-50

GothamCities:
Hebrews 5:7
"In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence".

You just misquote people to make you happy shey?
It's not in the grave that people cry but when they see death coming and that's what Jesus who has lived for unknown years was crying for because he knew he's going to be DEAD for three days!

GothamCities:
Now let's examine Ecclesiastes 9:5
5 "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten."

The memories of dead people are wiped out as they are no more that's what God's word is saying but the point that's made clear here is they don't know anything because they are DEAD!

GothamCities:
The scriptures you quoted does not address the point you are making. Saul communicated with Samuel when he was dead. So, how then is it impossible for the Lord of lords and the King of kings to communicate with them when He was in the same spiritual state and realm as they were?

That wasn't Samuel but a demon pretending to be dead Samuel {2Corinthians 11:14} dead people don't have anything to do again! Ecclesiastes 9:10

GothamCities:
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are dead but Jesus while addressing the Pharisees who call God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob while seeing these 3 as dead people, Jesus told them:
Here's the scripture with the additional phrase:
Luke 20:38:
"For to him all are alive. He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for they all live unto him."

To God they are alive because He has everything about them in record and He will bring them back to life during the resurrection {John 5:28-29 compare to Job 14:13-15} He said death (state of inactivity) is the reward for sin {Romans 6:23 compare to Genesis 2:17} so Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are DEAD in their graves awaiting resurrection they never went to heaven! John 8:30

GothamCities:
You should have quoted it out. Why hide behind mere references? Acts 5:30 says:
"The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree."
Can you show me how that verse says Jesus was helpless in the grave?

God raised DEAD as in inactive Jesus from the grave!

GothamCities:
Acts 2:24 says of Jesus:
"Whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it."
It was actually impossible for death to hold Jesus. He was not helpless there:
Here's the scripture:

Only sinners die for their sins so Jesus' death is unjustified going by God's standard which says only sinners pay with their lives that's why it's impossible for death to hold a sinless person like Jesus at ransom.

GothamCities:
1 Peter 3:18:
"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit."
He was put to death in the body but in the Spirit, He was alive!
Of course, you're a cult, I just exposed your cult right now.

Jesus was killed in the flesh but at resurrection he became a life giving spirit {1Corinthians 15:45} Paul wasn't talking about while Jesus was still dead rather he became a spirit at his resurrection! 1Corinthians 15:42-44

You can learn more if only you are willing Jesus was DEAD for those three days nowhere was he actively involved in anything at death so Peter wasn't talking about a literal preaching done only by the living and for the living!

Explore2xmore:
Do you derive a lot that guides you from the doctrine of JW and the Bible? What have you mostly been writing here on nairaland?
Do you support these with material from documented books?

Books are meant to unite people in their thinking but our God's given brains is what we use to distinguish between what is inhumane and what is virtuous.

So i don't subject my brains to anything found in books when it's of no practical benefits because i know the true God won't ask people to gather and do what won't benefit them as an assembly of intelligent beings.

If any God can't resolve disparities among the worshipers such a God is worthless, useless and hopeless and there no reason to trust in whatever anyone says or write about such a God!

GothamCities:
Go and ask Peter please!

Humble yourself and learn! Zephaniah 2:2-3

GothamCities:
Please carry your heresy away!
Several scriptures tell us what He went to do!
You don't understand anything about the Bible so you should stick to your cult.

What Jesus WENT to do inside the grave where he was CRYING as in SWEATING like BLOOD BEGGING God to save him from the DEATH {Hebrews 5:7} so you're claiming he went there to preach to dead people that the Bible said can't do anything in the grave! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Ọmọ God raised Jesus from a condition where he was helpless! Act 5:30

So continue calling us CULT after all you don't GATHER with fellow religionists because you don't want to be called CULT or RELIGIONIST! Matthew 10:24-25; 33

GothamCities:
Please WE are practical christians. WE practice the true Word of God. Not this heretic one you're preaching. WE have the results to show for it!

I'm tired of all these heresies. Please just stop it!

You're really amusing me now!

How can you continue using the word "WE" yet you don't GATHER with other worshipers?

Well in our RELIGION we are brothers under a commander {Matthew 23:10} whose words we hold with high esteem we do everything manly possible to stick to his words {Matthew 15:8-9} not what people like you think that's why i'm quoting him each time you call us "CULT" {Matthew 10:24-25} but what really amuses me now is how you've used the word "WE" when you can't present your fellow believers with whom you share the same line of thought {John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3}

Ọmọ WE are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the group Jesus was talking about! Matthew 5:14-16

Kayberg:
Charles Taze Russell is the founder of the JW.
If he is not, tell me the name of the new founder. Because you haven't been able to present any reasonable counter to this...you just keep beating about the bush saying he's not, which is a blatant satanic-grade lie.
Charles Taze Russell is the founder of JW.
Prove otherwise.
Or forever hold your peace.

Ọmọ hold onto what you were fed since you're not interested in knowing the truth as the Bible says we should! 1Thessalonians 5:21

The founder of Jehovah's Witnesses taught them to avoid pagan festivals like Christmas and Birthday celebrations {1Corinthians 10:20} taught them to go preaching from house to house {Matthew 10:11-13} taught them not to be addressed as "pastor" {Matthew 23:8-10} and told them never to participate in worldly politics or racial conflicts. John 17:14-16

So if you still swallow what people told you that the man who never knew all these with the name the group bears today is the founder then i can't help your ministry!

GothamCities:
Okay.
😂
We should believe you even when the Scriptures says He descended to the lower parts of the earth, preached to the sprits in prison.
Too much lies full your mouth!

That's why Michael was using questions to tell you that you don't understand what you are saying!

Jesus was DEAD for three days so according to God's word he can't do anything in death! Ecclesiastes 9:10

So it wasn't a literal preaching that he was doing at death and as for the spirits they are not dead people since the dead can't know anything! Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

GothamCities:
In a nutshell, Jesus was not with him when he was alone. He was only with him when he was in a gathering. You're a cult indeed!
Thank you and good day!

According to the scriptures Jesus taught us in words {Matthew 6:5-6} and action {Luke 22:41-42} to pray alone to our father when it comes to what is PERSONAL.
So like Jesus we expect help from God who will send His angels to assist us in doing His will {Luke 22:43} those are the ones working with Philip {Revelations 14:6} as he wants to do God's will when others are not around to work with him.
But when it's time for the part of Jesus he can't do that alone expecting Jesus to join him in the baptism of Holy Spirit that's why others must join him to fulfill what Jesus promised them! Matthew 18:20

Once again you're welcome!

GothamCities:
Abeg go and sit down. It can be very annoying to be dealing with a liar.
We were discussing that Christ is with us whether individually or in togetherness. That was my point. You disagreed, and I showed you the Scripture where Jesus promised to be with us individually till the end of time. You said He was with them in pairs, and I showed you that they're not always in pairs.
Anyway, I've agreed with you that Christ is not with you as a person. That's actually correct. Otherwise you would not be lying willfully.
But, hey, Christ is with me and in me!

No problem after all Jesus has foretold that we will be called a CULT for strictly obeying him as his students {Matthew 10:24-25} however the truth has been said.
Phillip ran away due to the PERSECUTION that scattered the disciples {Act 8:3} that's why he was alone but when it comes to baptizing in holy Spirit things must be done right that's why others must join Philip before Jesus who baptizes with Holy Spirit will be there to play his own part. Matthew 18:20

Thanks for your time!

GothamCities:
Okay, so Jesus came to save other creatures apart from man? Lol.
Peter was actually addressing Humans in his letter and telling humans what Jesus did for humans in His 3 days of death. Okay.
Tell me that "some other creatures" your heretic cult has indoctrinated you with! You must mention the creatures Jesus was preaching to.

Jesus was DEAD for those three days so he can't say a word to anyone according to the scriptures {Ecclesiastes 9:10} that means the preaching wasn't done literally rather his death is like warning to those spirits!