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The Catholic Church started it after the death of Christ's apostles and they were killing those who says anything against the church, Bible, Cross or Trinity.
That's what Muhammad thought is right since the Catholics the only religion professing faith in the Almighty God in his time were doing.

Good morning!
From November 4th to 27th makes three weeks and two days yet no one not even your friend has come back to anchor the topic again.
I want to believe that there are many Christlike people here who has interest in what a fellow has in his mind about faith in God's word and how to treat one's neighbor who needs help.
So i will wait patiently for the (Christlike ones) to contribute to the discussion until then i rest my case on the matter.

Ken4Christ:
You are not a Christian. Rather, you are an anti Christ. You uphold and teach the lies of Jehovah Witness.

The highlighted is what makes you a criminal!

If you don't want church to be mentioned then there's no sense in mentioning my own!

Know what sinning against the Holy Spirit means!

armchairscholar:
Historically the context is crucial here. Jesus made this statement after the Pharisees attributed His miraculous works to demonic powers, despite witnessing clear evidence of divine intervention. This wasn't a momentary lapse in judgment – it was a willful, persistent rejection of what they knew in their hearts to be true.

The "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit," in my professional understanding, isn't about a single moment of doubt or even a crisis of faith. Rather, it represents a persistent, conscious rejection of God's mercy and truth – essentially, closing oneself off completely from the possibility of redemption. I see this as analogous to what we might call "terminal hardening of the heart."

What makes this sin "unforgivable" isn't that God is unwilling to forgive – remember, divine mercy is infinite – but rather that the person has deliberately chosen to reject any possibility of seeking forgiveness. It's like a patient who not only refuses treatment but denies they're ill at all.

The beautiful paradox here is that anyone who worries about having committed this sin almost hasn't – the very concern shows an openness to God's grace that is incompatible with this form of blasphemy.

What are your thoughts on this? I'd be curious to hear your perspective on how this teaching has impacted your own spiritual journey.

There is nothing that can make people persist in doing what is wrong except they can't figure out another option if there is a better option then such critics surely have a point.

For instance all first century Jews knew that it's their time the Messiah (Christ) should be born so they were desperately looking for any member of their society who will start acting as the Christ.
Two Jews did showed up in the first century but they were killed and those following them scattered {Act 5:36-37} regarding this Jesus said those two guys were thieves and plunderers {John 10:8} John came before Jesus and the first century Jews rushed to him asking if he is the Christ but John told them he is not the Christ! John 1:20
So when Jesus of Nazareth began preaching and teaching in their neighborhood and they are seeing him performing the things God told them about the Christ are they supposed to continue criticizing him?
Well God will forgive those who criticize Jesus of Nazareth but then after Jesus left and his disciples began preaching and teaching in his name also fulfilling what God promised about Jews that the Christ has baptized with the Holy Spirit {Joel 2:28-30} whoever continue to criticize all these events is no longer attacking humans but God's Holy Spirit that's why some sincere and honest hearted Jews began begging Jesus' disciples to tell them what they should do now that they've seen what God promised happening in the gathering of Jesus' disciples! Act 2:37

Today Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling what is written in the Bible regarding the end time disciples of Christ but if anyone feels they are wrong all you need to do is present a better performing group than this organization just as any first century Jews need to figure out the group that's performing according to what their God promised them regarding those that will be baptized with Holy Spirit by the Christ.

Failure to do so means such ones will never be forgiven whether they live in the first century with Jesus' disciples or today! Matthew 12:31-32

Ken4Christ:
What has church name got to do with the truth?
Hell is very hot oooo. You will be tormented day and night if you don't repent. Don't say you were not warned.

If name of church matters doesn't matter then stop quoting me because i'm a Christian and it's only by talking about church that you've been following me up and down the forum.

As for Hell my God said you are lying! Jeremiah 7:31

johnw47:
giving false prophecies and false date settings is not the religion practising what Jesus taught

According to Jews John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth gave false prophecies and false dates!

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max

i'm not a pastor, let alone a fake pastor, but you can never stop lying like your father the devil, can you oh fraud:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Mr Faithlessness!

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max of much babbel

your lying about and denying God's word all over the place will never change God's word, you sinned against the Holy Spirit
making Him out to be a liar, oh deceiver:

Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Faithlessness is your name because everyone can see my faith by observing the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses but what of yours? James 2:18-26
Only been lousy with nothing to show for your faith!

Ken4Christ:
I don't practice religion. True Christianity is not a religion but a revelation of the righteousness of God. It's a living relationship with the living God.

Jesus practiced RELIGION he assembled with his fellow worshipers.
His disciples practiced RELIGION they gathered with their fellow believers.
That's why the inhabitants of Antioch could recognize them as followers of the Jewish young man who claimed he is the Christ. Act 11:26

Abeg stop lying!

Ken4Christ:
You think every church is like you. You are not even followers of Christ to start with. You don't believe in Jesus:
You don't believe in the divinity of Jesus
You don't believe God raised him from the dead
You don't believe he is coming back.
etc

What is the name of your own church?

Simple question!

able88:
What happened to this thread? Please continue your story @temple

The thread died naturally as no critic could dare the below question:

zoer:
Is there a better replacement for JW?

Of course there can never ever be one!

johnw47:
false teacher, one can speak against a group bearing fruit of the Holy Spirit and be forgiven,
just like one can even speak against Jesus Christ Who bear fruit of the Holy Spirit and be forgiven,
but one cannot speak against the Holy Spirit like you did, making Him out to be a liar, and be forgiven:

Confused man!

It's what people can see that's wrong to speak against not what they can't see Jesus is God's son so if anyone is speaking against Jesus due to his height, manner of eating, choice of drink, choice of friends, attitude towards the law and people generally it will be forgiven as that could be taken out of context but after you have noticed the fulfillment of prophecies happening through Jesus and his disciples and you can't present any other Messiah or group performing better than his disciples yet you are speaking against their movement then your sins can never be forgiven because that's the work of God's Holy Spirit in the midst of imperfect humans! Matthew 12:31-32

I know you don't understand this!

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max
talk about pastor confucius, you have asked me that many times, even recently,
and i have told you more than once, you are so confused, of course:
1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Fake pastor!
No church, no specific doctrine, no members yet running after Jehovah's Witnesses claiming you want to expose falsehood.
If you're not stupid is it not the true church you supposed to present so that everyone can compare and see the falsehood in all other religions?
God is not the author of confusion but of peace as it's noticable in Jehovah's Witnesses organization only! 1Corinthians 14:33

But if you feel there is any other church that's not confused just mention it!

johnw47:
not if those have spoken against the Holy Spirit:

Pastor Confucius mention the name of your church so everyone can know what they are teaching!

Ken4Christ:
The Bible you have turned upside down with false teachings.

Mention the church that's not teaching falsehood after all there is contradictions everywhere so its stupidity claiming a religion is teaching falsehood when thousands aren't agreeing on doctrine!

If anyone knows the group that's bearing the fruit of God's Holy Spirit but speaking against such a group he or she will never be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32

Ken4Christ:
You are still defending this evil cult group known as Jehovah Witness full of lies. You don't love your life. Only those who are perishing listen to you

Pastor Piri come on answer the damn question or keep quiet!

Speaking against the fine fruits of God's Holy Spirit will never be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32

Today people around the world know a group who have dedicated their lives to preaching and teaching from house to house and door to the about God's Kingdom just as Jesus foretold! Act 1:8

Malachi 3:16
Those discussing about God and His Kingdom will have their names written in the book of life! Revelations 20:15

Kingsempires:
wow!!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

I have always told him that he is a religionist its just that he doesn't know where he belongs because the Bible says in the last days people will start thinking about what is happening around them so while the wise ones are meditating on God's name and having their names written for their remembrance {Malachi 3:16} others will get teachers and be deluding themselves with false reasoning {2Timothy 4:3-4} ending up in frustration! 2Timothy 3:13

FRANCISTOWN:
As a christian, what do you have in your life that is not found in the lives of people who are not christians?

Let's read what transpired between Jesus and one of his disciples on this topic:
Then Peter said in reply: “Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” Matthew 19:27

In other words "if we dedicate our lives to doing what you taught us, is there anything we will have that others are missing?"

Jesus responded:
“Truly I say to you, no one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news who will not get 100 times more now in this period of time—houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields, with persecutions—and in the coming system of things, everlasting life. Mark 10:29-30

So as one of those preaching and teaching people around me the Good News of God's Kingdom i'm going to loose friends, brothers, sisters, elderly ones who supposed to be like fathers and mothers to me and some job opportunities that doesn't go well with my faith. But then i will have 100 times friends, brothers, sisters, elderly ones who will be like fathers and mothers to me and job opportunities that will make me happier than all my mates.
Surely i will be persecuted for sticking to my faith but instead of relying on friends and families who are numbered but then they will be replaced with millions of friends and families in the faith who are waiting to welcome me home throughout the globe because i am a member of the same faith!
Nobody can enjoy such blessings if he is not one of Jesus' disciples that's why many are puzzled and after seeing the LOVE permeating the gathering of true believers knowing fully well that we don't know ourselves other than the faith that unite us {John 13:34-35} they conclude that we are cultists! Matthew 10:24-25

FRANCISTOWN:
What has that Jesus done for you that has not been done in the lives of people who are not christians?

Jesus has helped me to know the real cause of hatred and killings going on in the world around me {John 8:44} so when unbelievers are fighting and killing their neighbors my brothers and i are going to visit them in their homes to reason with them that there is no sense in hating our neighbors who are not our race. Mark 12:31

Insanity that flows with too much money! Proverbs 30:8-9

Kingsempires:
but divorce is permitted in some Christian denomination

Say religions claiming Christians because there is no denominations in Christianity what we have in the world today are different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines!
According to Jesus and apostle Paul Christians must have the same line of thought! John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

The big difference between the first human couple and people living today, we are faced with pressure each day to struggle for what we will eat, fear of criminals, fear of time running out as we are growing old by the day knowing fully well that a time is coming when we won't be able to struggle, how to cater for our children, aging parents all these coupled with our own welfare. None of these affected Adam and Eve as himself and his wife (Eve) had it all in abundance even the animals we know today as predators are subjected to this couple so when God now say we must forgive those who are facing life's pressures a deep thought should move us to do so.

What about those in the spirit realms?

They don't work to survive neither do they have parents or children to cater for, they are not prone to loss of memory, no sickness, no need of security and so on with everything at their fingertips what could make them rebel against their father and God?

Let anyone who has deep thoughts answer the question!

Petalss:
My friend, what do we call people who were brought back to life by our pastors and General Overseers? Isn't that a second chance after their first death?

Were resurrected souls in the Bible given the chance to start from where they erred in life?

What he meant is that after death no human is given any chance to start all over again, whatever mistakes you have made in life you will continue to live with it so don't think after death anyone is coming back to start all over again from childhood to correct their mistakes that caused their misfortune.

xprojectlive:
You're saying that spirit beings lack the capacity to forgive?
Or they lack the capacity to repent.

There is no reason why they could err unlike humans who could err due to memory loss, lack of what we need to survive, challenges we face due to evildoers in our midst, betrayal and fear of time running out on us in the spirit realm there is no such things hindering them they don't do things by timing with fear that they can grow old and die so whatever each of them does its what they have decided in their figurative heart that is why they don't have a second chance just as Adam and Eve who had no reason to rebel against their father who gave them everything they need!

Kobojunkie:
Where is this claim of yours taken from?

Its not a claim the Bible said God disengaged the angels that sinned without a second chance and so all of them are waiting for their destruction:

Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tarʹta·rus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment. 2Peter 2:4

And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day. Jude:6

From the two verses above is there any sign of redemption for these creatures in the spirit realm?

xprojectlive:
If they are not all knowing, you expect them not to be deceived?
Your new born baby maybe biologically perfect, but not perfect in other aspects.
A perfect being should be perfect in all aspects.
But we're talking about offense and forgiveness
When you realize that someone is not perfect in knowledge, then make room for offense and be ready to forgive

After Adam and Eve no human is perfect again because we inherited defects through them as they were no longer getting the breath that's sustaining their perfection after they were disengaged. Matthew 4:4

God Himself never claim to be all knowing!

xprojectlive:
Another point of view
Where in the world did you get the idea that Adam and Eve were perfect?
Perfection belongs only to God
They're not even all knowing

Perfection doesn't mean all knowing it simply means all the senses of your body will work perfectly no memory loss, no weakness, no sickness, your eyes, ears, organs all working at their best.
As for all knowing it's presumptuousness that's affecting some religionists because the Bible God never claim to be all knowing!

xprojectlive:
Lol
And God expects you to forgive 77 times?
We must have been taught wrongly

Forgiveness is not for PERFECT BEINGS!

Most people don't get the logic, God asked you to always forgive a sinner because he is like you an imperfect being and in most cases you can't figure out all the details of what happened that's why God told you to forgive because you can only see less than 5% of the cases happening around you so if you're to judge based on what you can see think of how many cases you will judge wrongly!

Satan, Adam and Eve were perfect beings that is why they can't be redeemed unlike you and i who can't figure out so many things happening around us.

For your information a perfect being can see so sharply like the eagle, can grasp matters intelligently like computer, can remember any case to the deepest part so nothing escapes their memories unlike you and i that when asked questions regarding what happened five days ago we begin to think before response a perfect being will tell you everything that happened 500 years ago as if it's recorded in his or her brains.

So whatever they choose to do it's not out of mistakes it's what they will choose a million times because that is what they conclude after thorough inspection.

That's why there is no redemption for them!

Kayberg:
Charles Taze Russell was the founder of JW.
Don't jump around with me if you can't name him once and for all.
I don't have time for this your epistle of Charles Taze Russell.

Just say your heart is weak when it comes to deeper understanding of certain things so you rather swallow what others serve you than using your own brain to figure out the truth.

No founder's teachings is discarded while the religion still exists it's either such a person is not the founder or he himself made the changes before outsiders could find out.

In the case of Charles Taze Russell he can't be the founder of a group whose teachings negates his practices during his life time!