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GothamCities:
Nonesense! Blatant heresy!
They were there to baptized the people in the Holy Ghost!
State the scriptures that say they were sent to join him in doing it right. Did they join him in him in doing it right with the Ethiopian too?

The bone of contention is WHY GATHERING if they can practice their faith individually without having to GATHER with fellow believers?

Jesus taught his disciples that they must be in twos or more before they can expect him to join them in furthering the work so after they were SCATTERED each have to run away as far as they could go from where Paul could reach them which is the reason why Philip was alone.

Now after PREACHING and TEACHING those in Samaria who were Israelites and familiar with certain scriptures they accepted what they heard from him because they have seen and heard Jesus spoke to them before then {John 4:39-42} that's why they needed to be baptized but then how are they going to be baptized in the Holy Spirit?
Jesus is the only person who can do that {John 1:33} so things must be done right before Jesus who baptizes with Holy Spirit will come to join them! Matthew 18:20

GothamCities:
Okay, so go and teach him how to Evangelise the right way.
Bye!

That has been resolved according to the Bible that's why others were sent to join him in doing it right!

GothamCities:
I'm answering you because you're sharing opinions and not asking stupid questions. If he has nothing to say, he should get out and stop asking me questions. I'm not here to answer his questions. I've been answering him since yesterday even though his questions are very boring. But I can no longer entertain his boring questions.

He is asking fundamental questions that should lead Bible readers to know the condition of the dead!

You said it's the spirit of dead people that are imprisoned according to Peter but the Bible teaches that nothing survives humans at death {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} and it's the breath of life in all creatures that returns to God at death {Ecclesiastes 12:7} which means the breath of ants, cockroaches, mosquitoes and other animals is the same as that of humans! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

So the SPIRITS in prison aren't dead people but some other creatures.

That's what you need to ask not quarrelling to cover up your ignorance that won't help you!

GothamCities:
In the scripture you quoted, was Philip Evangelising?
Please stop wasting my time if you're not truth oriented!

He wasn't evangelizing the right way going by Jesus' standard he supposed to do it in PAIRS that's why help was sent to join him otherwise there's no need sending others to join him if he was doing the right thing all along!

GothamCities:
Then he should ask God and perhaps God will use me to answer the questions! The ones he asked me which I have answered are already enough.

Just say you don't know because i know him very well and he knows me too!

Kayberg:
Charles Taze Russell is the founder and the god of the JW.

Funny churchgoer!

GothamCities:
Please stop the lies. They visited Philip, so what? They ordained 7 people, where did you here that the 7 moved together?
I would love to see sincerity from you but I'm afraid, it will never come.
Luke was not with Phillip in Samaria. Please stop lying.
Acts 8:5:
"And Philip went down to a city in Samaria and proclaimed the Gospel there."
Who did Philip go with according to this scripture?

According to the scriptures i quoted before was Philip alone?

NO!

It was PERSECUTION that scattered them {Act 8:3} that's why Philip continued his preaching alone but under normal circumstances they supposed to go preaching in PAIRS {Act 8:13} that's why the Apostles sent more disciples to join Philip and Simon {Act 8:14} Jesus commissioned the work for only one person to go preaching.

In my religion under normal circumstances we must follow Jesus' order to go out in PAIRS but when there is chaos each of us may do the work so as not to call attention since the enemies of our religion knows how we often operate in PAIRS.

GothamCities:
Keep on asking from man or from God?

Ask what you don't know God often use humans to answer some questions! Act 2:37

Yorimichi:
I'm a biblical scholar
it is my bread and butter that butters my bread

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, good to hear that.

Please continue to trust (believe) in that book because those who never give up will be saved! Matthew 24:13

Thanks for your time.

GothamCities:
We teach only those who are genuinely willing to learn. Not someone who has been asking mischievous questions for two days none-stop. He has contributed nothing other than queries. What sort of a personality is that?

I think he's following the admonition of someone who said:

“Keep on asking, Matthew 7:7

GothamCities:
Whom did he go with to Samaria before the apostles came to join him to get the people baptized?
I've seen you have the attitude of avoiding critical questions and instead of answering them, you would put up another line of arguments.
This your tactic will no longer be tolerated. Answer the question!

My friend, i don't mean to upset you but the truth remain that Philip was never alone in the ministry :


What they said was pleasing to the whole multitude, and they selected Stephen, a man full of faith and holy spirit, as well as Philip, Prochʹo·rus, Ni·caʹnor, Tiʹmon, Parʹme·nas, and Nic·o·laʹus, a proselyte of Antioch. Act 6:5

The next day we left and came to Caes·a·reʹa, and we entered the house of Philip the evangelizer, who was one of the seven men, and we stayed with him. Act 21:8

The account you're referring to was recorded by an eyewitness who was also in the ministry that day it wasn't recorded by Philip.

GothamCities:
Your questions are none of my business. You've been asking me questions upon questions since yesterday. I'm not on Nairaland to teach you the Bible.

That's why i told you that PREACHING totally differ from TEACHING.

In true Christianity we are commanded to PREACH and TEACH!

Yorimichi:
wow i'm so happy for your testimony

Thanks!

So what reservations do you have against the Bible?

GothamCities:
Was it only the Ethiopian he preached to? Was he the only one who preached alone in the Bible?

Its like you don't know the difference between PREACHING and TEACHING.

When going out to PREACH Jesus taught his disciples to move in pairs {Mark 6:7: Luke 10:1} but when it comes to TEACHING the student already believe the scriptures so that could be done by a competent Bible scholar.

GothamCities:
Did Philip sin by going to preach alone? You're just a religionist. You don't know God.
Worship is not the same as religion. Stop lying!

Philip didn't go out preaching alone he belongs to a RELIGION taught to preach in PAIRS!

Explore2xmore:
Quran 29:17: You worship idols besides God, and you fabricate falsehoods. Those you worship, instead of God, cannot provide you with livelihood. So seek your livelihood from God, and worship Him, and thank Him. To Him you will be returned. Quran 31:13 ......, do not associate anything with God, for idolatry is a terrible wrong. When you channel your worship towards an intermediary rather than directly to God it becomes an idolatrous practices as those intermediaries overshadow the direct worship due only to God. You practice your faith based on 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus but end up magnifying the mediator above God. This amongst others has inadvertently led to practices that blur the lines between reverence for Christ and veneration that resembles idol worship. Muslims pray to Allah directly as he is extremely close to us.

All what you're quoting in your book becomes useless when sincere observers noticed that it's just to bow towards a stone that matters most in your religion after all people used to bow towards metals, stones and other objects before now so what makes yours special?

Is it because Arabs wrote a book to back it up?

GothamCities:
Did Philip go preach in pairs? You're not truthful!

Of course because that's how Jesus commissioned the work, the Ethiopian Eunuch already believe the scriptures it's only the understanding he doesn't have that's why Phillips has to run along to ask him if he needs help to understand what he was reading not that Philip went preaching alone.

And just as millions of Jews thought Jesus is fake because his messages are not easily understood {John 6:64-66} his modern day followers are also called false prophets due to difficulty in grasping their message but just as no one can present a better messiah than Jesus of Nazareth no modern day critic can present a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 54:17

Yorimichi:
Hello i'm really interested in your journey and would really love to hear more

Back in Islam i was taught to believe that God can't be pleased no matter what we do even if we obey all His commandments that's why Muhammed couldn't guarantee the salvation of Muslims hence he told them that Allah can do whatever pleases him leaving faithful, sincere and honest hearted Muslims at a cross road but from the day i read Jesus' last words to his disciples i began seeking more information about this Jesus of Nazareth.
Please read what he said below and try to imagine the confidence this first century young Jew had:

“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Matthew 28:18-20

This statement from Jesus changed all my thinking about God because Jesus isn't even talking about the salvation of his disciples here rather he is assuming them that the authority in heavens now belongs to him!

Wow! How can someone say that?

Muhammed can't even speak confidently about his own safety!

So i decided to look into Christianity the religion most abusively spoken about by my folks but instead of asking the so called Christians i still went to an Islamic cleric to show him what Jesus said, that's when he quoted the same Bible verse you mentioned up there: Isaiah 45:7

 I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, Jehovah, am doing all these things.

From his response Muhammed couldn't assure anyone because of what Isaiah said here.

This is why i started asking questions to know what God meant in that verse but even the so called Christians themselves couldn't give me a satisfying answer as to why God could utter such statement if truly He is pure inside out just as Abraham said at Genesis 18:25

But when i met this group called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES paying visits to people's homes uninvited they gave me a satisfying answer that i will like to share with you.

Note that God sent Isaiah to deliver some messages to the Israelites a stubborn and stiff-necked people meaning Isaiah could start entertaining fear of what this people can do to him.

So God's utterances found at Isaiah 45:7 means:

No matter how dearly or destructive anything could be God created it and He has the power to render it harmless anytime He wish. Take for example "FIRE" scientists discovered that it's just the reaction of mixture of gasses but to Nebuchadnezzar the King of Babylon nothing could stop this gasses from consuming living creatures like Shadrak, Meshak and Abednego. But what will the Creator of the gasses do to prove that He created this deadly gasses? Well He commanded the gasses to take a different reaction when His own servants were thrown into the fire so that they came out as if from a room with cool air-conditioner whereas the servants of Nebuchadnezzar perished due its smoke alone!

Another case is that of Daniel who was thrown into the lion's den the predators were playing with him like tamed pets but when those who schemed all these were thrown into the same den they were eaten by the same lions!

So God isn't saying He planned evil things at will as some have misunderstood that verse rather He is assuring His servants that nothing is beyond His control because He created it all both the so called deadly things and harmless ones.

Please feel free to ask any questions that comes to your mind.

Yorimichi:
The Bible does not present a singular depiction of God. It presents numerous different and frequently contradictory depiction of God, And you can't just add them all together and look at the sum and have a fuller picture of God. You just get a tangled paradoxical mess. What you can do to get a notion of a "God of the Bible" is negotiate with the the text, and center and prioritize certain depictions, and marginalize, reinterpret or outright ignore other depictions. And all of these is in the interest of making the text more meaningful or more useful for us within a given context or situation. Which mean any "God of the Bible" that we fine is a situationally emergent, negotiated divine profile, because the Bible is not univocal. it does not speak with a single unified voice, and does not present a single unified idea of God.

Why not study the Bible with the real disciples of Christ Jesus: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

I was once a Muslim and from the way i look at matters relating to God as depicted in various books i discovered that there are contradicting ideas about God so i decided to find the one and only true religion that can give satisfying answers to all my questions by speaking to adherents of different religions until i met the JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES their response to these questions will shock you!

Explore2xmore:
You should feel sorry for yourself haven forgotten your Bible has Jesus clearly stating that his kingdom is not of this world. Throughout history, different Christian denominations have committed acts of violence against one another or against those considered heretics. The Inquisition serves as a notable example, where people faced persecution for their beliefs, resulting in torture and execution. In modern times, conflicts involving Christians can be observed in various geopolitical situations where religious identity overlaps with nationalistic or ethnic tensions. For example, civil wars or sectarian violence in areas like Northern Ireland or certain parts of Africa frequently see Christian groups on opposing sides.

Explore2xmore:
Your Jesus commandment to love one’s enemies is a fundamental principle of the Christian faith. However, historical events show that enmity and violence have arisen among believers for various reasons, such as misinterpretations of teachings, cultural influences, the inherent tendency of human nature towards conflict, and the impact of socio-political contexts.

So regardless of your personal desire or delusion these killings occur.

So all races on these planet are worshiping the god they know as your Allah nah.

The funny thing about you is the way and manner you will start quoting your book as if other worshipers aren't worshiping your Allah based on what is written in your book but now i'm quoting what Jesus said in the Bible for all his disciples to OBEY Instead of reasoning to understand that anyone ignoring this order is not worshiping the God that sent Jesus you're saying killers are Christians simply because they claimed so.
Why not accept that all worshipers of God/Gods are doing so for your Allah irrespective of what your Allah says in your book?

Explore2xmore:
I am directly chatting with you so it is very relevant to you.

Ọmọ Jesus COMMANDED his disciples to love and pray for their enemies {Luke 6:27-28} so if you're saying different religions disobeying that order are all his followers simply because they claims so then there is no reason trying to separate your Allah from other gods all are deities and the worshipers are all THEISTS keep whatever your Allah says aside whoever claims he or she is worshiping god is for your Allah!

GothamCities:
Did Jesus ask that of His disciples before endorsing the man? Or what type of question is that?

Jesus' disciples need to go out and preach the Kingdom of God {Matthew 10:7} the man saw Jesus performing miracles and used his name to cast out demons but he wasn't sent by Jesus that's what his disciples couldn't understand.

GothamCities:
Can you quote the verse you fetched this lie from? The man was casting out devils in Christ's name!

That's not what makes him Jesus' disciples many will do the same yet Jesus will say he doesn't know them! Matthew 7:21-23

GothamCities:
And so what? Was Philip sinning by preaching alone?

Phillip used to GATHER with other worshipers! Act 6:5

GothamCities:
So, it was only the example of the man that you saw?

Jesus organized his disciples to go preaching in PAIRS! Mark 6:7; Luke 10:1

GothamCities:
According to your Bible I suppose.

WORSHIP is the same as RELIGION since people GATHER to WORSHIP TOGETHER!

Explore2xmore:
Theism in Islam stands out from other theistic religions mainly due to its strict monotheism (Tawhid), the unique characteristics ascribed to God, a specific interpretation of revelation through prophethood, the distinct dynamics of the relationship between God and humanity, a divinely mandated moral framework, and its beliefs about judgment after death.

All these is meaningless to a neutral person as long as you claim there is an unseen supernatural being somewhere your definition doesn't matter to any neutral person but when your god is able to remove weapons in the hearts and hands of adherents that's going to make a lot of sense to whoever is concerned because that will make your god stand out not just your claims of monotheism or polytheism.

Explore2xmore:
Type of supernatural.
I don't believe in God begeting and you do.
Neither do I believe in a begotten dying for God to admit me to paradise and that is fundamentally different. Besides you believe in existence of other gods alongside the almighty whoch Muslims don't and that is a fundamentally distinctive difference.

Guy you're a THEIST just like all others there is no need talking about what you believe all we need now is you're one of those claiming God or Gods exists!

GothamCities:
That's a lie.

There was even someone who preached alone during Christ time. The disciples asked if they should forbid the person. Jesus said they should allow him, "he who is not against us is for us." He was a lone preacher.

Jesus told the mad man of Gadara to go proclaim what God had done for him. He went making the proclamation alone.

Phillip went to Samaria alone and preached the Gospel there.

There are many instances of preaching alone. Christ is not just with us. He is in us.

The man preaching alone was sent by who?

Jesus didn't send the man he was simply saying what he knew about Jesus according to the scriptures.

Christians were sent by Jesus and he appointed them to go in PAIRS! Mark 6:7; Luke 10:1

GothamCities:
And that's not what we're arguing about!
The argument is not about whether religions are in the Bible or not!

Whatever makes people GATHER to call upon the supernatural is a RELIGION!

Explore2xmore:
Definitely not as so called theists have different concepts of the almighty God.

Concepts you say?
Naaaaaaaaah since they all claimed they believe in the supernatural we don't need to discuss about whatever concept they have all we need now is they all agree that there is the supernatural.
Does this mean you're on the same page with worshipers of Ṣàngó, Ọya, Ògún and Obàtálá?

GothamCities:
The Word religion is not new. It has existed in many languages from the beginning of time.

The Bible is not about religions. So we cannot the talking about the name of a religion in the Bible.

But religions existed in this world before Christ, during Christ and after Christ.

At least you can't find one in the Bible!

Explore2xmore:
At least you accept that the so called adherents of your Jesus also kill. You too are a theist aren't you so you are very well included.
Excellent!

Great!
So next time don't speak against THEISTS since all THEISTS are on the same page!

GothamCities:
Yes, it's individually. He was instructing them to go preach the gospel. The gospel is preached both individually and collectively. Jesus said whether individually or collectively, I am with you until the end of time.

Jesus didn't ask them to go out alone preaching rather he sent them out in PAIRS {Mark 6:7; Luke 10:1} that's why he said it's either they are two or three before he can join them in doing the work!