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Prince500:
Funny enough I was a Christian before. I never talked of the new testament. I am talking of the blood thirsty yahweh of old testament

Hmmmmmmmmmm, you surely had a lot to consider but let's start from the word you used:

"Blood thirsty Yahweh"

What made you conclude that Yahweh loves killing people?

Christianity has no resemblance at all with Islam but if you don't know what Christianity really entails you may be easily confused!

Real Christians don't support violence {Matthew 26:52; Luke 6:27-28} and as for Yahweh He never supported violence {Psalms 11:5} please try to investigate matters carefully and you will surely be a wise judge on this issue! Psalms 10:4

chiedu7:
Tithing is Old Testament, thats why Jesus never collected Tithes.

Excellent!

DaddyCoool:
The apostles knew Jesus well and heard directly from him more words than appear in the Bible. You can't know what he meant better than them.

So can you quote where any of Jesus' disciples makes a good use of a physical sword if they were expected to use it!

DaddyCoool:
See TOTAL brainwashing. You forgot to say that Rome wrote the NT, and altered the OT to align with it!
I don't know how someone can convince a thinking person that Rome founded Islam! What in Islam is similar to Roman culture? And you keep repeating like an automatum that Islam is dying, even after being presented with fact it is the fastest growing religion on earth!

Now explain this verse:
Luke 22:36
...And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.

Now you're proving my point that you know practically nothing about history!

So Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul are Romans shey?
Yet you want to argue about knowing what has been happening regarding religion and terrorism.
Well for your information there were Christians in Rome and other lands under the Roman colony back in the first century but they were terrorized by Jews practicing Judaism as the Judaists kept making troubles for Christians everywhere they go and by the end all the Apostles were executed one after the other except John who was later banished to the isle of Patmos.
So it's not Romans that wrote the New Testament that's a big lie!

“But now let the one who has a money bag take it, likewise a food pouch, and let the one who has no sword sell his outer garment and buy one." Luke 22:36
Jesus taught people a lot using illustrations to drive home his point {Matthew 13:13, 34} so when he said his disciples should make sure they own a sword at all cost any right thinking person would have asked: "To do what exactly?"
This same man told his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe {Matthew 26:52} he told them to always seek peace in the face of fierce opposition {Matthew 5:38-42} to love and pray for the well being of their enemies {Luke 6:27-28} and never to support worldly politicians! John 17:14-16
So what exactly are they going to use swords in their possession for?
Well if you must know Jesus was referring not to physical swords but spiritual sword that's what apostle Paul later emphasized in his letter to Christians in Ephesus:

Besides all of this, take up the large SHIELD of faith, with which you will be able to extinguish all the wicked one’s burning ARROWS. Also, accept the HELMETS of salvation, and the SWORD of the spirit, that is, God’s word. Ephesians 6:16-17

Note the highlighted in red and think of how these weapons of war are used, then try to see what apostle Paul was really saying mentioning each, at your leisure you can read the whole chapter to know what it means to be a Christian soldier according to apostle Paul.

Why not ask yourself:
If Jesus actually mean that each of his disciples should buy a PHYSICAL sword how come he said TWO is enough for ELEVEN men? Luke 22:38

Why didn't he use a sword at least once to show them how they should fight for their faith?

Ọmọ Jesus was talking to the newly formed group that will take the message of Peace to all the corners of the earth so the sword they will need is the complete scriptures from Genesis to Revelations that we all know as BIBLE today {Hebrews 4:12} that's why you can never see a member of the one and only true Christian group (Jehovah's Witnesses) who doesn't have his own personal copy of the Bible with which we are winning souls psychologically reaching their hearts instead killing people.

And if you must know in the military our aim is not just to kill people claiming they are enemies but to make enemies surrender their weapons so any means used to achieve this is the best strategy ever that's what Jesus of Nazareth taught his real disciples to do and JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are doing just that today i am a living witness to this fact a former Muslim and soldier trained to kill enemies but now using the Bible (my spiritual sword) to save souls!

FxMasterz:
You're the one fulfilling the prophesy of Christ about false prophets and fake worshippers.

Oya mention the group that's fulfilling Christ's prophecy about true worshipers!
Àbí it's only the group that's fulfilling prophecies about false prophets and fake worshipers alone you know?
Come on Christ said a lot about how we can IDENTIFY the GROUP that's PRACTICING what he taught nah!

FxMasterz:
You're the one who said it about yourself. Even Columbia Columbia would say the same thing too and quote the same scriptures. The fact remains that if you're not a follower of Christ, and you claim Christianity, you're a cult.

Ọmọ to all faithless people any gathering that is talking about someone in the spirit realms is a cult so stop deceiving yourself as long as you join any form of worship freethinkers, agnostics and atheists will call you a cultist.
So where you are fulfilling what Jesus said about enemies of the one and only true religion is you calling a group of faithful people a cult simply because they refused to acknowledge you as a worshiper of their God!

DaddyCoool:
And you keep talking of "fight" as a way to stop terrorism. Have you forgotten JW don't fight?

Calm down and keep your aggression aside for a moment otherwise you will continue getting over anxious about this matter.

Let me tell you the story of TERRORISM against peace loving worshipers in religion.

It began in the first century when Jesus of Nazareth started his earthly ministry the Jews back then were counting on the way their God supported their ancestors attacked Canaanites and took over the land of Canaan so they were expecting a Messiah who will lead them to war and conquer mighty nations most especially Rome that was ruling over them.
Two Judaists impersonated the Christ during the time Jesus was born but both of them died miserably so when they saw Jesus who came after John the baptist began preaching about the Kingdom of God they him to lead their people to war against all the nations and conquer them all just as it's written in their scriptures! Daniel 2:44
To their shocking surprise Jesus who has all the supernatural powers to do so refused to do it instead this young man was preaching and teaching that the Jews love their neighbors {Mark 12:31} including their enemies! Luke 6:27-28
This really got on their nerves so they conspired to get rid of Jesus and whoever takes side with him {John 11:53} because if all Jews should agree with his mentality there will be no soldiers to fight for their nation so Rome will easily come to take over everything they have! John 11:48
From that time till today terrorism against lovers of peace started Jesus called all those supporting such movement children of Satan! John 8:44
So the Jews started terrorizing their own brothers and sisters who were disciples of the Prince of Peace {Act 4:18; 5:28} and from then whoever wants tries to follow the way of peace will be persecuted (terrorized) {2Timothy 3:12} when Satan discovered that Jewish disciples of Christ Jesus will not give up with the peace movement he led their own people against them until Jerusalem was destroyed and it's temple in the year 67c.e.
By that time Christianity has spread to other nations so Satan used Apostates who were disfellowshiped among the Jews to start a terrorist religion under a Roman emperor and they began hunting the real Christians up and down but the irony of the matter is that this killers were going about with the cross claiming they are also Christians their excuse is that they are fighting against falsehood but Jesus warned his own disciples never to judge (kill) anyone not even because of faith in God! Matthew 7:7
So with Roman Catholic terrorists began going from city to city forcing Catholicism on people that's how true Christianity disappeared from the surface of the earth! Luke 18:8
When Muhammad walked the earth it was Catholicism he knew as Christianity both Judaists and Catholics were at loggerheads as both were fighting for dominance while the Catholics had the upper hand due to support from the Emperor.
Muhammad used to follow his madam under whom he was serving as a servant to Rome for Catholicism it's from their he got all the things he took back to Mecca claiming he himself has been sent by God since the Catholics were using force to establish their religion Muhammad thought that's the only way forward that's why he himself started fighting and killing people claiming he was doing so for God.
So if Catholicism lost it's dominance Islam will also end up the same way because those taking the lead among them aren't fighting for God rather they were fighting to dominate the world therefore a time will come and it's now when rival fractions under Islam will start fighting and killing not pagans or Christians but their own fellow Muslims.
That's what is happening right now in all Islamic nations, as i'm typing this i'm glad to inform you that Jehovah's Witnesses are in all Islamic nations preaching and teaching and many among their people now know the truth that Christianity has nothing to do with fighting and killing pagans as their religion formally taught them!

FxMasterz:
In short, you don't believe in Jesus.
It means you're indeed a cult!

Exactly what Jesus said you people will say about us:

"A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25

You people called our Master, Lord and King a demon possessed {Luke 11:15} because he said he's the only way to God {John 14:6} our joy is made full when you accuse us of being a cult for telling you the same thing {Matthew 5:11-12} so no matter what you think say or do we are not shaken! Matthew 10:26-28

DaddyCoool:
My friend you are talking like someone from another planet. Islam started centuries ago with a few ragtag armed men forcing people to convert. Today it is a raging religion of Billions and the fastest growing world religion. Your whole thesis is ridiculous.

As for fight - you implied JW's forced to convert will eventually wake up and start fighting back.
You wrote: many among them will start to think about what is really happening and to fight against terrorism after some time

What you're saying is like limiting the thinking faculty of all humans, the Catholics started this that's why Muslims followed the same path thinking it's the way forward but it's within the same Catholic Church that protestants sprang to stop the violence not those people they were terrorizing so it's within the same Islam that protestants will surely rise up yo fight terrorism it's just a matter of time and those been brainwashed with religious doctrines into killing their neighbors will start saying NO!

FxMasterz:
The same way you're contradicting your fellow believers.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses are my fellow believers so when it comes to how we ought to do things we all submit to the Governing Body who are taking the lead among us {Hebrews 13:7} oya mention those leading your so called "CHRISTIANS"

FxMasterz:
You're also a denomination within Christianity as long as you claim to be a follower of Jesus.

NO!
We are not a denomination of Christendom that's why we will not welcome you as fellow believers nor pray with you! 2John 10-11

DaddyCoool:
Did you say FIGHT against...? How can they fight when they are JW?

If everyone is a JW no one will raise weapon against his fellow man so i'm not talking about members of JWs but within the terrorists themselves they will fight against themselves when things get out of hand.
Today many former members of Boko Haram are now hunting members of their former group!

Jesus returned in the year 1914! Matthew 24:7-14

He didn't dash you it's his tithe!

Jesus returned in the year 1914 and the man of LAWLESSNESS (CHRISTENDOM) who has been since the death of the last apostle was exposed!

Discussion is OVER!

Emusan:

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"for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again." - NWT

However, brothers, concerning the PRESENCE of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him... Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it(THAT DAY) will not come unless the apostasy(singular) comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. - NWT

Who was this man of LAWLESSNESS that was so great that nobody knows anything about before Jesus presence happened in 1914?

Have these scripture already fulfilled?

Jesus Christ returned in the year 1914!

Emusan:
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Over!

Emusan:
You said the discussion is over.

YES!
It's over!

Emusan:
"for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again." - NWT

However, brothers, concerning the PRESENCE of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him... Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it(THAT DAY) will not come unless the apostasy(singular) comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. - NWT

Who was this man of LAWLESSNESS that was so great that nobody knows anything about before Jesus presence happened in 1914?

Have these scripture already fulfilled?

The highlighted is what i want you to clarify.

Which religion do you refer to as "BROTHERS" since you can't present any group that's working together as one body!

FxMasterz:
This is too fluffy.
You contradict other Christians. I regard JW as an heretic denomination just as there are many denominations within Christiendom.

The first highlighted shows you are spiritually blind because whatever makes you say anything against what others believe when they are claiming Christians it simply means you're CONTRACTING your fellow believers.

The second highlighted is where you are hiding under LAWLESSNESS {Matthew 7:23} when you declare countless religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines "CHRISTIANS" whereas Jesus made it clear that all his disciples must work together as one body! John 17:22

Emusan:
ANd we return back to our initial discussion.

Since you don't believe in the one and only organization of God there is nothing further to discuss!

Jesus actually told his own disciples to stop judging people in the sense of joining a mob to end the life of anyone in the name of faith in God.
In the old testament an Israelite along with one or two more witnesses must come out to accuse a law breaker {Deuteronomy 17:6} and if the offender is found guilty the person who first reported the case must cast the first stone to end the life of the offender! Deuteronomy 13:6-11
When Jesus said "stop judging" he meant none of his own disciples should be among the mob to end the life of any offender rather they must work really hard to save the life of all repentant sinners {1Timothy 4:16} but as for unrepentant evildoers among them they should quarantine such ones and stop associating with him! Matthew 18:15-17 compare to 1Corinthians 5:11-13
So as a Christian i must speak up when my fellow believer goes against the rules of God's organization to report to the elders but no matter what anyone does outside the congregation of God i am less concerned unless if it will affect me then i will have to report to the authorities under which such a person is a subject but among my fellow believers the report should go only to the elders in the congregation of God.

FxMasterz:
It's the same way you also contradict other Christians.

I never contradict God's purpose which is all faithful servants of God must have the same line of thought and work together in preaching zealously and industriously teaching in their neighborhood so i believe only Jehovah's Witnesses are true Christians that's why i am working with them as a disciples of Christ under one body. John 17:22; Ephesians 4:5

Now mention the name of the only group that you know also as Christians today (not just grouping LAWLESS RELIGIONS welcoming all forms of doctrines) with which you are participating in the preaching and teaching work Jesus assigned to his disciples! Matthew 28:19-20

Sand2022:
God didn't know whether Adam will sin doesn't mean he isn't God.

Jesus said he doesn't know what the person (whom he admitted is greater than him) knew.
So it's clear both are not on the same level!

DaddyCoool:
Oga answer the question. Someone comes to forcefully convert you because he believes he is mandated by God to give you choice of conversion or death. What do you do?
Even in nature the herd fights to protect itself and offsprings or it'll be anihilated.
You hypocritically hide under protection afforded by armies while talking nonsense. How long do you think JW would last against onslaught of Islam without protection accorded by armies?

Hmmmmmmmmmm, well let me EDUCATE you.
Only a man can't convert a whole community using violence he or she will need supporters so it's when you support him or her that such a group will thrive for a period until it's natural death due to internal forces, many among them will start to think about what is really happening and to fight against terrorism after some time. That's what's happening to Islamic nations today don't think it's just the West that's conquering them through the use of weapons the truth is many among them are tired of living for the God they were forced to embrace.
But if each person has to choose willingly such movement will last forever.

DaddyCoool:
Sooo, what will they do when Nasrallah comes for them? Hypocritically depend on others to protect them? Please educate us

We are talking about religion and it's values so it's as if you don't really understand what we are saying here.
If the person you mentioned knew very well that everyone around him is for God and only him is not what do you think he will do?
Well the problem is that as long as there are useless religions which is of no value exists individuals like him will hide under such groups claiming they are also worshiping the same God that's why it's very very important to ask ourselves that question:
Which one is the TRUE RELIGION?
For your information religion is the only means humans can use to cohabit peacefully and that's the purpose so if any religion is still promoting or permissive regarding violence then such a religion is worthless!

All religions are the same except one that God Himself established to unite people of all nations under one umbrella to form a big and happy family of peace loving worshipers where they will no longer use their resources and senses to create destructive devices rather they will divert all their resources into the production of food and information materials and forever stop learning about wars! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Any other religion apart from this is man-made and it's of no value!

From the beginning God didn't create woman {Genesis 2:18-22} so the main image of God among all creatures on this planet is the man that is why the names of females were exempted during the early writings of the Bible while names of males were mentioned it's only when there is a serious case that involves a female or females that there names appear.
Take for instance Adam had sons and daughters but only the names of his sons were mentioned, the first time the names of females were mentioned in the Bible apart from the first woman who caused her husband to rebel against God was when two women began dragging over one man so that both of them decided to marry him. Genesis 4:19
What is the name of Noah's wife or the name of his daughters in law?
What about the daughters of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
Dinah's name was mentioned due to the case involving Shechem and the killings of his people.
Jesus has four brothers but the names of his sisters were exempted. Matthew 13:55-56
So if all inspired expressions from Genesis to Revelations passed through the office of Jesus before reaching inspired writers {John 1:1} that means females aren't part of God's children in heaven where Jesus came from {Job 38:7} he can relate with them as well meaning neighbors but when it comes to weightier responsibilities Jesus will not include female as such is not applicable among the sons of God in heaven where Jesus is also one of them! 1Corinthians 11:10 compare to Psalms 89:6

FxMasterz:
I'll believe the Bible. That's what pleases me. I choose to believe the Bible only.

That's what all of you often say yet you're all facing different directions contradicting one another in the name of:
"i believe only the Bible"
And different religions are raised after all the excuses.
Well we humbly subject to the will of God and that is all faithful worshipers must do things in harmony like one body! John 17:22

There are born again Christians but the quality you need to see in them is what you may not know.
First of all real Born Again Christians associate with just one group not the way individuals in different religions are claiming Born Again.