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FxMasterz:
Tithing is simply a demonstration of love for God with your finances. God blesses you in return.

NO!
It's a system of taxation God introduced to an independent nation under His rulership but after they lost their independence it became obsolete among true worshipers.

FxMasterz:
Why do you like ignoring scriptures to hang on to whatever is on your mind? This is not good for soul my friend. You first said they didn't practice tithing in Jesus' days. Now that you have been shown the scriptures that disprove your words, you should honorably agree that you erred.

You misunderstood me, i never said Israelites don't practice tithing in Jesus' day rather true worshipers no longer practice it as they now follow the teachings of Christ Jesus who was driven out of the temple.

FxMasterz:
Tithing isn't part of the law. It's not among the 10 commandments. It's an ordinance of life. It works for both believers and unbelievers. If you honour God with your tenth, God will bless you. It is not mandatory but it still works today as it did in old times, and would continue to work until the world comes to a close.

The commandments are over 600 God only wrote ten on stone tablets with his fingers to prove the laws are from Him. So all those laws were given to the Israelites and Jesus said all hangs on two laws: love for God and love for neighbors! Mark 12:27-31

FxMasterz:
Do you know that the Maa'sa (Tithe) is still being practiced in Israel today! Though not compulsory, some of them take it very religiously. How then do you think it was not practiced in Jesus's day. Jesus accused them of paying tithes which according to Him was good, but they neglected justice and equity.
"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things."

Temple worship and it's tithing arrangement became USELESS at the moment Christ began his ministry. God told Moses regarding Israel:

"I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name" Deuteronomy 18:18-19

John the baptist served as the last Israelite prophet whose work will usher in the era of the Christ {Malachi 4:5} Jesus told his disciples that John the baptist is lesser than the least in his kingdom {Matthew 11:11-12} John made it clear to his own disciples that his work will begin to decrease while that of the Christ will continue to increase {John 3:30} Jesus told the Samaritan lady at Jacob's well that Jerusalem Temple worship will no longer matter because true worshipers will do so in spirit and truth {John 4:24} this means that whatever the Jews are practicing inside that temple has become invalid if they don't discontinue the form of worship they're practicing in that temple and embrace Christianity where animal sacrifices and burning of incense will not be required for pure worship.
When the Jews rejected Jesus of Nazareth both Jerusalem, it's temple and all worship done inside becomes a curse {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why God gave them a sign after Jesus' last breath {John 19:30} as he finished the last work to establish the New Covenant! Matthew 27:51
So whatever the Jews are doing in Jerusalem or inside their temple after the establishment of Christianity has nothing to do with the true God anymore!

Emusan:
ONLY GOD KNOWS THOSE WHO BELONGS TO HIM.
Not RELIGION GROUP not to even talk about 'PERFECT RELIGION'

Emusan:
Christianity is a perfect religion

So stop deceiving yourself there is a perfect religion but Satan initiated his own agents to confuse double minded people so that they can still be on his side yet claiming they are Christians {Matthew 13:24, 37-39} therefore lovers of righteousness will only go for the one and only group that is practicing true Christianity not just allow insincerity to blur their senses imagining thousands of different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines are all Christians!

FxMasterz:
Are you aware that wages were earned in Israel in New Testament times? Can you prove to me that they gave gifts and tithes in kind and not in cash?

In the New Testament the tithing arrangement has become meaningless because they were no longer in charge of the land God gave them rather a pagan nation (Rome) has become their ruler so it's this pagan nation that was demanding TAX from them just as they does over all other nations under the same colony that's why paying or collecting tithe in Jesus' day became difficult and obsolete.
But as for gifts which is not mandatory they can bring or give it to anyone as their hearts move them.
So when Christianity was commissioned it was practiced without tithing because disciples are practicing Christianity not by force but out of love for God and neighbors and since it was to be taken to all other places Christians only pay their TAXES which was forcefully collected by authority they only give whatever they have to support the Kingdom work.

FxMasterz:
So, those who earn wages are not receiving from God?

They have the right to say "NO" to any God since they never knew any God directly unlike the God of Israel who introduced Himself to the Israelites with a mighty hand by delivering them from slavery and acquiring possessions which they don't deserve for them.
This God has the right to make demands from them since He gave them what they can use as resources that's why He mandated they pay or they are ROBBING Him. Malachi 3:9

FxMasterz:
Can you prove to me that gifts and tithes were paid in kind in the New Testament? Especially during the earthly era of Christ and His disciples?

Ọmọ stop jumping from pillar to post gifts are voluntary but tithe is mandatory that's where the two differ!

Jesus Christ was enthroned in the heavens in the year 1914!

johnw47:
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool
lost false jw mad max
like i have often said, you are one of the worst, oh confused dum dum
1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Keep on following me up and down the forum!

johnw47:
Jesus disciples are not habitual liars, they don't blaspheme, they are not paranoid.

johnw47:
not lying and not blaspheming and not being paranoid alone, does not make one a disciple of Jesus.

How can people IDENTIFY Jesus' disciples?

johnw47:
You tell me and i will show you where you are wrong.

Highlighted shows you're just bluffing whereas you are empty headed!

johnw47:
it's because there is no other liar quite like you, and that's what i do.

So there are many many many liars but you're fund of only one out of thousands shey?

johnw47:
Jesus disciples are not habitual liars, they don't blaspheme, they are not paranoid.

johnw47:
not lying and not blaspheming and not being paranoid alone, does not make one a disciple of Jesus.

If you're not stupid now answer me using the scriptures not your brainwashed head:

How can people IDENTIFY Jesus' disciples?

johnw47:
Jesus disciples are not habitual liars, they don't blaspheme, they are not paranoid.

So religionists who don't lie, don't blasphem and not paranoid are Jesus' disciples no matter what their religion teaches shey?

FxMasterz:
Tell me what they would have brought if they were salary earners?

God COMMANDED tithes based on what He shared to the tribes of Israel not salary that's why each Israelites must used the inheritance God gave them {Deuteronomy 10:9} which wasn't given to Levites as means of resources to pay tithe {Deuteronomy 14:29 it's due to this inheritance not given to Levites that God told the other tribes that they are ROBBING Him! Malachi 3:9
So tithe wasn't for salary earners that's why it's strictly farm products!

FxMasterz:
That's for those whose incomes are in kind. Those are farmers. Those who are not farmers and whose incomes are in cash would pay cash.

So tell me what any Israelite does back then apart from FARMING?

FxMasterz:
it was permissible to convert materials to money in order to give to God.[/b]

Exodus 35:5, 20-29, 36:3-7, and 2 Chronicles 24:10.

This isn't tithing but VOLUNTARY contribution.

When talking about tithing no matter where you are once you have converted the tithing to money due to distance when you get to the place where you are to pay your tithe it must be converted to farm products again NOT money:

But if the journey should be too long for you and you are not able to carry it to the place that Jehovah your God chooses as the place for his name because it is far away from you (because Jehovah your God will bless you), you may then convert it into money, and with your money in hand, travel to the place that Jehovah your God will choose. You may then spend the money on whatever you desire—cattle, sheep, goats, wine and other alcoholic beverages, and anything you please; and you will eat there before Jehovah your God and rejoice, you and your household. And do not neglect the Levite who is inside your cities, for he has not been given a share or an inheritance with you. Deuteronomy 14:24-27

Never was tithe paid in cash!

FxMasterz:
There's still material tithing. No spiritual tithing.

Continue lying to your own soul.

There is no single religion practicing the tithing in ancient Israel today back then they don't bring money it's farm products to be stored in the Tabernacle!

FxMasterz:
Lol.
Na wá for you o.
Why cut off the rest of my post to hammer on the last words without recourse to the context? Is that a sign of good Christianity? Is this how they behave in your 'Kingdom of God'?

I'm not here for back and forth arguments it's either there is still material tithing in Christianity or no material tithing!

Lack of knowledge kills many! Hosea 4:6

They will say "Jesus fasted"

But in reality did Jesus fasted?

The answer is NO!

Two disciples recorded the same case involving Jesus' 40 days and 40 nights:
Matthew 4:2 and Luke 4:2

Both accounts ended the story saying
"Jesus was hungry"

Who witnessed the event?

None of his disciples.
Which means Jesus himself told them what had happened so:

•How can Jesus be fasting and hungry when he himself taught them not to make anyone know about their fasting? Matthew 6:16-18

•How can Jesus be fasting when their was nobody to serve him meals where his is?

•How can Jesus be fasting when he himself didn't decide to but was led by the spirit into the wilderness where there is no food?

•How can Jesus be fasting when there is no way to imitate him in doing so?

Whoever wants to claim he is imitating Jesus regarding fasting must do so and later declare to everyone how he hungered, must not be in the midst of people but in the wilderness where no one can call him for food, must be led by the spirit not his own initiative therefore it should be after the spirit departed from him that he could feel hunger.

So in a nutshell if we have to go by what many do call FASTING today Jesus never fasted.

That's why he didn't initiate it nor teach his disciples how to fast unlike what people are doing today going on hunger strike only to eat at intervals yet claiming they're imitating Jesus!

Iamanoited:
1, THOSE YOU MENTION FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT ARE PROPHETS OF GOD.
2, JOHN THE BAPTIST WAS A PREEMINENCE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.
3, THEN WE HAVE APOSTLES OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.
4, JEHOVAH WITNESS, I DON'T KNOW. PLEASE GIVE US SOME EXAMPLES AND WE DEBATE THEM.
OR COULD THEY BE TRUMP AND HARRIS? IN AMERICA, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

Guy go and relax until you're able to mention the group you're referring to as "US" i have always known you with paranoid comment that has nothing to do with others so if you're now trying to belong to a group of religionists let me know the name of the church so i can examine their beliefs!

FxMasterz:
No tithing.

Case closed!

No tithing!

After the death of Christ's Jewish disciples of the first century Apostacy scripturally known as the AntiChrist took over intimidated those who wanted to stick to Christ's teachings later all religions claiming Abrahamic took after the steps of the AntiChrist that's why they all ended up becoming killers of their neighbors including fellow worshipers!

FxMasterz:
1. Kindly quote out that scripture.
2. The ministers can't collect tithe because they themselves were still attending synagogues where they were paying their own tithes.
Hebrews 7:8
"And here (on earth) mortal men (the Aaronic priesthood) receive tithes (material tithes); but there (at the right hand of God), He receives them (the tithes mentioned above. Same material tithes), of whom it is witnessed that He lives."

The highlighted shows you love lies!

Jesus never collected material tithes when he was here as human so after he became the High Priest it's not material tithing Paul said Jesus received rather its imperfect humans he is receiving into the most holy temple where we can approach God's throne without animal sacrifices something Israelites can't do in ancient times yet they were paying material tithes only for priests collecting tithes to approach the altar in their behalf.

jaephoenix:
Wtf are you talking about

We read to acquire knowledge, knowledge is power and power is the ability to do work so if you're reading but what you are reading can't be channeled to making things work out for great benefits for you and others who are also reading the same stuff what then is the essence of the stuff you're reading?

jaephoenix:
What great load of gibberish!
So faith is hearing good news about something, and not actually seeing that stuff. So how is it different from what I said?

Good question!
It's not everything you have heard of that you must see before believing rather seeing it's reality in progress as heard is what all wise people need!
You can't tell me that you will start acting only when you see people killing people around you after you've heard about terrorism.

johnw47:
Job_15:12  Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at
Pro_10:10  He who winks the eye causes trouble,
Pro_16:30  He who winks his eyes does so to devise perverse things;




Mat 5:14  "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; 
Mat 5:15  nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 
Mat 5:16  "Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven. 

lost false jw mad max

lies, paranoia, blasphemy, etc. is darkness, not light oh deluded one

you so called Jehovah's witnesses are recognized here for your darkness; lies and paranoia and blasphemy, etc.
you are recognized for the darkness of your sewer mouths etc, yes your great darkness is recognized
not so much when you go door to door, you pretend to be like sheep then

Mat 7:15  "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 
Mat 7:16  You will know them by their fruits.

So how can people RECOGNIZE Jesus' disciples today?

jaephoenix:
Hebrews 11
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for
John 20:29
Jesus said unto him, “Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed. Blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed
Obviously you don't even read your Bible. Faith is based on what is not factual or evident. The Bible says Yahweh wants those that believe without any evidence. So you should believe the Chosen testimonies even if it seems far-fetched, false and have no facts. Just believe

You didn't read INTELLIGENTLY!

Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen. Hebrews 11:1

Faith comes with VIVID EVIDENCE of what is in PROGRESS that you have not seen before so it's not seeing what you haven't seen before that's the evidence rather it's the WORK IN PROGRESS that makes it real to faithful people.

So if you've not seen or heard of a plane before but you've heard about some plans to make it a reality WORK IN PROGRESS should serve as EVIDENCE that it's going to happen just as planned not seeing the aeroplane when it's just in progress!

jaephoenix:
Please read your Bible and stop disgracing yourself

Just as you're reading ATHEISM shey?

Ọmọ it's not just about reading but application for benefits of all involved so if you're reading and there is no benefit then something is wrong somewhere!

Emusan:
In my OWN OPINION....

If you can't present the perfect religion that's practicing what you believe is right then all what you have in your head is your own PERSONAL OPINION.

God's faithful worshipers practice pure worship today and Jesus Christ said they will be RECOGNIZED! Matthew 5:14-16

FxMasterz:
Lol. You really are very amusing.

1. Can you tell me explicitly where the scriptures says material tithing is obsolete?

Hebrews 7:5-12
Ministers in Christ never collected tithe from anyone in the New Testament because they are not commanded by Christ to do so when the Priesthood changed.

FxMasterz:
2. The writer of Hebrews discussed MATERIAL TITHING and said Christ receives it in Heaven. Do you mean to say you know better than the Bible?

Tell us where the scriptures EXPLICITLY said "Christ receives MATERIAL TITHE"

Wainey:
u mean it gives evidence yet we don't see?
Bruh, no country carry God for head like Nigerians do. Yet this guy no send us

Faith has vivid EVIDENCE and it doesn't have to be what you choose to see!

FxMasterz:
You want to enter another debate? Except you're enlightened, I cannot start discussing these things with you.

Ọmọ you don't know anything about Jesus and his message so whenever you see my talking just keep quiet.

Material tithe is no part of Christianity God used it as a system of taxation to help Israelites care for those in service of pure worship, orphans, widows and stranded travelers in ancient Israel {Deuteronomy 14:29} but when the new covenant was established material tithing became obsolete. Hebrews 7:5-12

Aemmyjah:
What is his significance in Christianity?

Just ask him where Santa Claus is mentioned in the Scriptures!